Palestinian Media Watch once again proves that the terrorists from Fatah (”Moderate” Mahmood Abbas/Abu Mazen’s Party and the ones the U.S. are building a professional army for, with your tax dollars), openly admit their true intent, and state that any “peace” created will only be a means to their ultimate goal of destroying Israel.
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This discussion on public “Palestinian” T.V. again proves that despite the West’s continuous desires, Fatah is no less committed to Israel’s destruction than Hamas.
Kifah Radaydeh, the deputy head of the Jerusalem chapter of Fatah, says openly that the PA will resume violence and terror against Israel when Fatah is “capable,” and “according to what seems right.” “It has been said that we are negotiating for peace,” she further stated, “but our goal has never been peace. Peace is a means; the goal is Palestine.”
Just like their founder Yassir Arafat, they know to say one thing to the usefull West, and to work for another with their fellow Arab Muslims. Kifah Radaydeh however is not a lone “extremist”, as her statements are part of the overall Fatah policy.
Fatah MP Najat Abu Bakr said in a PA TV interview last year that Fatah’s goal remains the destruction of Israel, but that their political plan is to focus on returning to the 1967 borders. He stated “It doesn’t mean that we don’t want the 1948 borders,” Abu Bakr said, referring to all of Israel,” but rather that “our current political program is to say that we want the 1967 borders.”
Also, just four months ago, senior PA official Mohammed Dahlan stressed that Fatah adamantly refuses to recognize Israel, and that even the Palestinian Authority’s recognition is only for the sake of receiving foreign aid: “…the Fatah movement does not recognize Israel, even today… [such recognition is] required of the government but not of the Fatah, so that this government will be able to offer the necessary assistance, to carry out the necessary reconstruction, to offer assistance to the sick, to bring relief to needy families… This can be dealt with [only] by a government that has relations with the international community, one that is acceptable to the international community, in order that we can work together and benefit from the international community.”
The terrorists of Fatah/PLO have been lying to the West, and getting away with it, for decades. It is never the Arabs whom state that they are going to accept a “two-state” solution, or “peace” as their ultimate goal. This is simply what the West, including our current administration, wants to hear – so they do. Even today the West demands a “settlement freeze” from Israel, stating it is a requirement for “peace” even though the Phakestinians openly state that this won’t make a difference. On these confused beliefs of what the Phakestinians want, and what will bring about a resolution to the Arab-Israel conflict, despite the Arab’s own statements to the contrary, the EU is even calling on the UN to impose “peace” on Israel.
Today, President Barack Obama met with Phakestinian “President”, and leader of Fatah terrorist organization, Abu Mazen (now being called Mahmoud Abbas). The numerous reports around the globe are stating that Abu Mazen/Mahmoud Abbas will be discussing with Obama how they can work together to “stop all Jewish ’settlement’ growth” in Judea, and Samaria, and force Israel to accept a “Palestinian” state within their borders despite any legitimate security concerns that they might have.
The main issue that the U.S. now seems to be concentrating on is Jewish “settlements” as being the core stumbling block in our eternal quest for Jewish-Islamic Middle East peace. This claim is ridiculous, as the building of homes is not nearly as much as an international concern (or it should be) as the murder of innocent civilians.
The concentration on “settlements” however is not new -it has been the Arab talking-point from before the modern state of Israel was founded. It was originally a complaint about Jewish settlement in pre-1948 that the Arabs used as an excuse to murder Jews, then after 1948 it was Jewish settlement in general (the Creation of Israel). This caused many conflicts, much violence, and ultimately the 1967 Six Day War. Only thereafter did the Arab complaint regarding “Jewish settlement” come to refer to post-1967 Jewish communities in Judea, and Samaria. (as a starting point to getting back to fighting about the “settlement” pre 1948)
Accordingly, it seems that the U.S. has now bought into the Arab campaign to end Jewish “settlement”, and thus work for the destruction of Israel in general (whether the U.S. is aware of it or not). The concern is not the health, or safety of innocent civilians (Israeli or Arab) through the ending of terrorism, but now a campaign against Jewish ’settlement’ and specifically growth. With zero emphasis on whether or not this tact is even going to end the conflict, or save lives.
In fact, as is evidenced by the articles above, the U.S. has actually taken a policy against Jewish “natural growth”. But hey, why not concentrate on the building of homes by Jews among Islamists as the core reason there is no peace – we saw how much peace was achieved from ethnically cleansing Gaza of all Jews, and Jewish settlement. “natural growth” of ’settlements”
Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, and the rest of the Obama Administration are leading the charge against what they are calling “natural growth” of Jewish neighborhoods in post 1967 Israel. But what does “natural growth” mean? In short, natural grown is the normal expansion of communities due to natural events such as marriage, and child birth. Therefore, the U.S. is taking a policy against marriage, and child birth for Jews living in Judea, and Samaria.
Could you imagine if this demand was made on Muslims in pre-1967 Israel? (or anywhere else in the World for that matter?)
You can read all about this issue on Israel Matsav,Israel National News, and many other sources. Thus, I am going to concentrate on a group more vilified in the world by the MSM, EU, U.S., and UN than anyone else – Jewish Residents of Judea & Samaria. Who really are these “settlers”, what do these “evil” “settlements” look like, what is this illegal “outpost” or “settlement”?
One of the most spoken/complained about “settlements” is Hebron. Also for reference, here are a few pictures of those “evil” “settlers” – the ’cause of all the strife in the middle east’, and who now no longer have a right to procreate.
(More info to follow within the comments. Expect continuous updates as time permits.)
Since at least 2006, the U.S. has been funding and training -to the tune of 161 million American tax dollars so far- a huge, and professional “Palestinian” army to take over when if they get another state. The individual heading this future debacle is Lt. Gen. Keith Dayton, U.S. security coordinator for Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Lt. Gen Dayton has lived and worked in Jerusalem and across the West Bank, overseeing the creation of three “Palestinian” battalions of troops, hand-picked in the West Bank, trained at an academy in Jordan, and then deployed in the Judea and Samaria. These three 500-man battalions are intended to grow, to as many as ten battalions. During a speak to the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (”WINEP”) Dayton stated that their mission is to “create a Palestinian state.“
Frighteningly, the training which has already occurred is only the beginning. While speaking in Tukarm (In Judea/Samaria) Lt. Gen Dayton stated that “If it goes the way the administration has asked for, we will accelerate dramatically what we are doing here in terms of training and equipment, and filling in the gaps in between.”
The additional training program requires approval from Congress for more funding that would allow the construction for more “Palestinian” military bases in Judea and Samaria. Without defining the cost of the additional training and construction, Dayton stated it will entail “more financial support than we have ever had before.” That is quite a statement about a group that has received more than 1 billions dollars per year from the U.S. alone.
This brilliant idea was born of the naive belief that these troops would primarily be deployed against two targets in Judea & Samaria: criminal gangs, and Hamas. Lt. Gen. Dayton is no dummy. He fully recognizes that by organizing and training thousands of highly organized “Palestinians”, professionally led, he is creating in effect a nationalist army that like all other attempts to train, fund, and outfit “Palestinians” will be used against Israel. From his comments to WINEP, you would think that this was actually his intent.
Responding to a question from Paul Wolfowitz, Dayton responded to these concerns by issuing a not-so vailed threat to Israel stating that: “the troops can only be strung along for just so long…there is perhaps a two-year shelf life on being told that you’re creating a state, when you’re not.”
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‘PA Army May Rebel’ if Israel Does not Agree to Peace Demands
His comments were tantamount to a warning that a rebellion is around the corner if Israel does not agree to PA demands, according to investigative journalist Robert Dreyfuss, writing in The Nation magazine.
“To my ears, at least, his subtle warning is that if concrete progress isn’t made toward a Palestinian state, the very troops Dayton is assembling could rebel,” wrote Dreyfuss, who also has authored a book blaming the United States and Israel for having allegedly encouraged the existence of Hamas as a way to weaken former Palestinian Liberation Organization leader Yasser Arafat.
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In his speech, Dayton did not detail methods used by the PA security forces, but Human Watch Rights has accused the PA and Hamas of resorting torture to as well as summary executions. One PA Arab is on death row for the stated crime of selling property to Jews.
He focused on the “national security interest of the United States to help resolve the Israeli-Palestinian dispute” and his re-shaping the PA forces. He said that his position as U.S. Security Coordinator was created “to allay Israeli fears about the nature and capabilities of the Palestinian security forces,” a term used instead of “soldiers” in order not to conjure up an image of a military force in the PA.
However, his comment on the consequences of the failure to establish a new PA state indicated that the PA army – or special force – might use its counterterrorist training to attack Israel as well as possibly rebel against the PA.
Several terrorist attacks and attempted attacks the past two years have involved PA security forces. In January, 2008, a PA security officer, a PA clerk and a third terrorist were involved in the murders of Ahikam Amihai and David Rubin who were hiking near Hevron. One of the victims managed to kill one of the attackers before succumbing to his own wounds. A third youth escaped unharmed.
Beyond the obvious problems with this scenario (the cost to the American tax payer, the threat to Israel) the training of these troops actually directly conflicts with the “Palestinian” responsibilities per the OsloAccords-signed by them in 1993 -which limit “Palestinian” military activities. So, once again, while the U.S. is insisting that Israel follow past agreements, they are allowing (and in this case directly assisting) the Arabs flaunt their obligations.
This isn’t the first time that the U.S., or Israel has tried the “let’s train them, and arm them; what could go wrong” tactic towards Arab-Israel peace. If it were, I just might give it the benefit of the doubt -because I want peace as much, if not more, than the next person.
In only 2006, after the U.S. transferred weapons, money, and training to Abu Mazen’s (Mahmood Abbas) personal “Force 17″, the “Palestinians” stated that they would never use any force against their own people, or Hamas, but instead would us all weapons transferred from the U.S. against Israel. True to their word, not too long thereafter the weapons were used in a terrorist attack against Israel.
In 2007, (after numerous weapon transfers from the U.S. and Israel) while Hamas was squabbling with Fatah, Palestinian Authority President, Abu Mazen, called on Palestinian factions to put an end to weeks of infighting and instead “raise rifles against the Israeli occupation.”
When discussing the Israel-Arab conflict, everyone today will tell you that the two-state solution is the only resolution to end the conflict. Although this belief is presently considered the internationally accepted view, it was originally the Arab talking-point. Naive westerners today believe that the Arabs want a two-state solution as a final resolution to end the fighting, and to create a final status. This however is not what the Arabs want, nor what they say to each other, and it never has been. They don’t want peace with Israel, they want to destroy Israel. The tactics might have changed, but the goal has not! This won’t stop them from lying to naive western politicians, and slobbering western journalists however because doing so has been the most successful tactic in helping them achieve their final goal.
What the Arabs are willing to say to their own however, has always tended to be more candid.
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(IsraelNN.com) Palestinian Authority representative in Lebanon Abbas Zaki says the two-state solution is his preferred approach, as it will lead to Israel’s collapse.
Speaking with Lebanese ANB Television on May 7, Zaki said that any ceasefire, or hudna, deal with Israel is not desirable. Instead, the long-time PLO member said, “we must go towards the two-state solution, a solution that even [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmedinajad supports.”
“In my opinion,” Zaki explained, “with such a solution, Israel will collapse. Because if they get out of Jerusalem, what will be left of all their [the Jews’] talk about the Promised Land and the Chosen Nation? What will be with all the sacrifices they gave and then they are told to leave?”
The two-state solution, supported by the United States and most of the world, calls for a Palestinian Authority state in Judea and Samaria, leaving Israel barely 11 miles wide in some areas.
Zaki said that Jews and Israelis “perceive of Jerusalem as having a spiritual status. They relate to Judea and Samaria as a historic dream. If the Jews leave these places, the Zionist idea will begin to collapse of itself – and then we will move forward.”
The interview was brought to the Western eye by Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).
Zaki has made similar points before. In 2008, the former Palestinian Legislative Council member for Hevron, former Fatah operations head, and current PLO Central Council member said, “When the ideology of Israel collapses, and we take, at least, Jerusalem, the Israeli ideology will collapse in its entirety, and we will begin to progress with our own ideology, Allah willing, and drive them out of all of Palestine.” Zaki also headed the PLO Lebanon Committee and the Palestine National Liberation Army’s political commissariat.
Asked then if he believes in weapons or negotiations, Zaki replied, “The use of weapons alone will not bring results, and the use of politics without weapons will not bring results. We act on the basis of our extensive experience. We analyze our situation carefully. We know what climate leads to victory and what climate leads to suicide. We talk politics, but our principles are clear. It was our pioneering leader, Yasser Arafat, who persevered with this revolution, when empires collapsed.”
To those willing to be realistic when discussing the Arab-Israel conflict, Zaki’s statements are not surprising nor new. It has always been the goal of the Arabs (who then created the “Palestinians”) to destroy Israel, never to make peace.
They tried all out war, and failed miserably. Therefore, they changed their tactics to terrorism. Although reasonably successful on this front, it wasn’t accomplishing their ultimate goal of total destruction of the Jewish State, so they have moved on to what we could cynically call diplomacy.
Newspapers all over the world are working overtime to brand new Foreign Minister of Israel Avigdor Lieberman as a “racist”, “ultra-nationalist”, “right winger” and any other supposedly disparaging term they can dig up. They will tell you nothing about the man other than he is an evil man who dared to suggested that Israelis, including Israeli-Arabs, be required to take an oath of loyalty. What they don’t show you is why he suggested it.
Sadly, it seems that our own Government still just doesn’t get it. Just a few hours after The Jerusalem Post completed the interview below with Lieberman, Hillary Clinton, gave testimony on Capitol Hill that insists that Israel continue the failed policies of the past. Clinton stated that “For Israel to get the kind of strong support it is looking for vis-a-vis Iran, it can’t stay on the sidelines with respect to the Palestinians and the peace efforts. They go hand in hand.”
Israel however has never even hinted that it has any desire to stall peace-making efforts with the so-called Palestinians. When asked about this, Lieberman stated that his government instead, “intends to take the initiative” [on peace efforts].
Hillary Clinton knows this. But what she really means when she says “peace efforts” is that Israel must surrender to the Phakestinians, follow the same failed policies of the last 60 plus years, and continue to surrender their sovereignty and security in return for nothing but empty promises. This however is something that Lieberman, and Netanyahu, (for now it seems) won’t do.
Below are segments from this interview with Avigdor Lieberman. Hear him in his own words.
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Can we start with the issue of two states for two peoples. Wasn’t the international basis for the establishment of Israel that there be a Jewish entity alongside an Arab entity? Is your government now departing from this paradigm or is the principle of two states still the applicable one?
First of all, we must understand why the Palestinian issue is deadlocked, because since 1993 we really made every effort. We had very dovish governments. We can start with Ehud Barak at Camp David, who made a very generous offer to [Yasser] Arafat and he rejected it. As for the Ariel Sharon government, we undertook an insane process called disengagement. We transferred thousands of Jews from the Gaza Strip. We evacuated tens of flowering settlements and we received in return Hamas and Kassam rockets. The last government of Ehud Olmert is the same. From what I saw in the papers, he really made a very very generous offer to Abu Mazen. And the same thing happened: Abu Mazen rejected it.
Were there elements that Olmert offered that were surprising to you?
Of course. I was shocked, as was everybody.
But more than this offer, more important at the end of the day: what was the final result? This was a very dovish government – without Lieberman, without Netanyahu. It was Olmert, Barak and Tzipi Livni. And the result? The Second Lebanon War, the operation in Gaza, severed diplomatic relations with Mauritania and Qatar, our soldier Gilad Schalit still in captivity. And we cannot move forward without understanding why.
I know that all of us know some very popular slogans – land for peace, two-state solutions. It would be very easy to win over public opinion or the mass media by talking in slogans. But this is not election time. We’re not during the campaign. We want to bring real results.
Israel has proved its good intentions, our desire for peace. Since 1978, we gave up territories three times larger than Israel. We invested billions of shekels in the Palestinian Authority. We paid a very heavy price. Thousands of our citizens were killed in terrorist acts. What more can we do?
Without understanding the real reasons for this long-standing conflict, we cannot move forward. That’s my view.
Over the last two weeks I’ve had many conversations with my colleagues
around the world. Just today, I saw the political adviser to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the Chinese foreign minister and the Czech prime
minister. And everybody, you know, speaks with you like you’re in a campaign: Occupation, settlements, settlers…
You mean they speak in slogans?
Yes, slogans. Settlements, outposts. And I ask only one thing: What was the situation before 1967, before we established a single settlement. What was before ‘48 and ‘67? Was it peace, was it a heaven here?
It was the same: friction, terrorism, bloodshed. The PLO and Fatah were established before ‘67 and the Arab countries controlled Judea and Samaria and the Gaza Strip for 19 years, from ‘48 to ‘67. Nobody spoke during this time about the Palestinian state. And even before the establishment of the state of Israel, it was the same: friction, tension, terror, riots, pogroms. People try to simplify the situation with these formulas – land for peace, two-state solution. It’s a lot more complicated.
You don’t need to persuade this newspaper not to speak to you in slogans, but nonetheless, is it not the case that for our sake, to keep a Jewish, democratic Israel, we have to find some way to separate from the Palestinians? And doesn’t that mean, in principle at least, statehood? I understand the prime minister’s concerns about what statehood brings with it – giving one the right to arm and to pose a threat. But what then is the ultimate goal here vis-a-vis the Palestinians?
We must clarify our position. The real reason [for the deadlock with the Palestinians] is not occupation, not settlements and not settlers. This conflict is really a very deep conflict. It started like other national conflicts. Today it’s a more religious conflict. Today you have the influence of some non-rational players, like Al-Qaida. What is Hamas and Islamic Jihad? It’s Iran by proxy.
To resolve this conflict, it is not enough to repeat slogans. I don’t see any short way for any comprehensive solutions.
From my point of view, we’re interested in three things. First of all, as Israeli citizens, the most important thing is security. I don’t want to see, every day, every morning, Palestinian missiles striking Sderot.
Second, what is most important for the Palestinians? I think it’s also very clear – the economy. Now I say as a settler, we at Nokdim are the biggest employer in our area. I have met many times with Palestinians from the villages around us, who really strongly do not believe in any political process, in peace processes - not in summits, not in conferences, not in declarations…
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Is our government going to say to the international community and the Americans in particular, ‘We’re not even going to start trying to make progress with the Palestinians until you stop Iran?
No, no, no, no, no.
That’s the impression that’s sometimes being created.
No, we must start with the Palestinian issues because it’s our interest to resolve this problem. But there should be no illusions. To achieve an agreement, to achieve an end of conflict, with no more bloodshed, no more terror, no more claims – that’s impossible until Iran [is addressed], one of the biggest players in our arena.
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You say you don’t foresee a comprehensive solution in the near future, but we’re already hearing from the new American president that this has been going on for long enough.
Annapolis was the wrong approach. With the Road Map, you can see some logical path: First of all, [for the PA to] dismantle terrorist organizations, collect illegal weapons, establish a justice system and establish normal state institutions. You have three stages in the Road Map, with 48-49 paragraphs. Only the last stage, the last paragraphs, deal with negotiations for the permanent solution. So, [under Annapolis,] to jump straight to the last paragraph and to concede on all of the Palestinian commitments to fight terror – it’s a very strange approach.
Now in our policy review, it’s a new government and we need time. I’m not ready for someone to stand with a stopwatch and say, ‘What’s happening, what’s happening?’ I talked with [President Obama's special envoy George] Mitchell, and he well understood our problems.
The people of Israel made their decision [in the elections] and this is really the right time to examine new ideas, new approaches, new visions. We’re trying to formulate this new approach now.
Although I do not agree completely with everything Liberman says in his interview, I believe that the Netanyahu government is on the right track by trying something different. Despite what the World media wish for you to believe, Liberman is hardly an “extremist”, nor a “ultra-nationalist”. His only sin here is that he questions the prevailing so-called wisdom, of blaming the conflict on Israel not giving enough to the Arabs. The problem however is that the media is wrong, and Liberman is right. The main stumbling block with the Arab-Israeli conflict has been the World’s insistance that we continue the same failed policies. Sadly, from the words of Secretary of State Clinton, it seems that the U.S. still doesn’t get it, and I am afraid that with an Obama Administration we never will. Despite history, they wish to continue the “all for nothing from Israel” policies that have caused the stalemate Israel and the Arabs are in today.
For the sake of everyone involved, I pray for the peace of Israel, and that our leaders finally get it!
In Obama’s first interview as President of The United States (see thread below) he states that his final solution to the Arab/Israel conflict would include a “contiguous Palestinian State”.
On the bottom left of the map, near Egypt, is “the Gaza Strip”, on the right side of the map in red lettering is ” Judea and Samaria (mistakenly referred to as “The West Bank”). These two area consist of what is often referred to as “The Palestinian Territories”, and what the Arabs demand to make a part of their supposedly desired State. Obama, parroting the Arab argument, stated that any future Palestinian State would be contiguous.
What he didn’t mention however is that the only way this “contiguous Palestinian state” can be accomplished is to split Israel in half, and effectively create two separate cantons. Beyond the obvious inequity of this suggestion, it would only further destabilize the area, and contribute drastically to a decease in Israel’s security. I am sure this is what is intended by the Arabs when they make this suggestion, but I question President Obama.
What the Obama Administration seems not to recognize is that they are actively assisting the Arabs in moving forward with their stated goal of destroying Israel by using what is known as the P.L.O. Phased Plan. This is not surprising however as all so-called “peace” negotiations are being made with Abu Mazen/Mahmood Abbas, who co-founded the P.L.O. with Yassir Arafat.
These are the three main points of the Phased Plan:
Through the “armed struggle” (i.e., terrorism), to establish an “independent combatant national authority” over any territory that is “liberated” from Israeli rule. (Article 2)
To continue the struggle against Israel, using the territory of the national authority as a base of operations. (Article 4)
To provoke an all-out war in which Israel’s Arab neighbors destroy it entirely (”liberate all Palestinian territory”). (Article 8 )
Any deal which allows the creation of a “contiguous Palestinian State” will per the Phased Plan, reset the clock all the way back to the original 1947 Partition Plan when the Arabs (NOT “Palestinians” however) initially rejected a State, and instead chose a war of annihilation against Israel. The Arabs will through negotiations, get what they were incapable of achieving through Terrorism alone. The problem however, as stated in their Phased Plan, and as was evidenced by their response to Israel’s peace gesture of its 2005 expulsion of all Jews from Gaza, is that a contiguous Palestinian State will only be the beginning of the next phase, and not and end to the conflict.
Palestinian Media Watch once again proves that the terrorists from Fatah (”Moderate” Mahmood Abbas/Abu Mazen’s Party and the ones the U.S. are building a professional army for, with your tax dollars), openly admit their true intent, and state that any “peace” created will only be a means to their ultimate goal of destroying Israel.
(IsraelNN.com) Palestinian Authority representative in Lebanon Abbas Zaki says the two-state solution is his preferred approach, as it will lead to Israel’s collapse. 
