As most of you know, we’re trying to contain “the Johnson” to a dedicated thread here and there. For tonight’s edition, a look at now – and then. Looking back, only to move forward!
We’ve seen this time and time again applied to other conservatives. But, no one does Glenn Beck Derangement Syndrome quite like Charles Johnson, who names Doug Hoffman the “Glenn Beck candidate”
What exactly does Doug Hoffman stand for? And who is he standing with? Would you believe … Glenn Beck?
At the endorsements page of Doug Hoffman For Congress, we find a link to the “Gold List” at 912candidates.org, consisting of politicians who have “pledged their sacred honor” to uphold the Glenn Beck 9/12 Project’s “9 Principles and 12 Values.”
Charles has a problem with the “9 Principles and 12 Values“? Just the “G-d” one or all of them? Enquiring minds and all.
How about a look down memory lane…
Blogmocracy in Action!
Guest post by: Speranza
Like just about all of us, I am pretty much shell shocked whenever I take a peek at a blog that still goes under the name of “Little Green Footballs”. This is because I recall a place that was not so long ago welcoming, informative, and intellectually stimulating before it became an Orwellian parody of a totalitarian blog dictatorship or William Golding’s “Lord of the Flies”. We can speculate all we want over what got a hold of the proprietor there but I want to remember the good times that we had there and will select a few occasions that LGF filled a void in right minded peoples’ lives.
The spring of 2002. Let us recall what the Jews of Israel were going through. Day after day of suicide bombings by fanatical members of the religion of peace. The culmination was the March 27, 2002 suicide bombing at the Park Hotel in Netanya that ultimately killed 30 people, many of them elderly Holocaust survivors. Let’s see how LGF covered that event…
And again
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/2637_and_again/
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(copy and past the link location, to get around the redirect)
Note that there was no moral equivalency, no trying to put things into perspective; it was a call for justice and for the decent people of the world to stand up to monsters. No worrying about Jerry Falwell, Fox News, creationists, etc. Charles Johnson knew which way was up and what the real threat was.
Let us jump ahead 24 months later to March 2004 and American citizens are murdered in Fallujah with their bodies mutilated. Of course Markos Moulitisas (of the Daily Kos) says “Screw them!” What was Charles Johnson’s response?
Is this going to stand?
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/
10427_Is_This_Going_To_Stand/
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(copy and paste the links)
Again, note the moral clarity, the no nonsense approach. No political correctness or worried about being called out as a “hater”. Charles Johnson was a man I respected and admired. I did not worship him as he was just a man but I felt that it was rare to see someone with so much moral clarity and conviction.
Now, let us go back a couple of weeks in March 2004 to this wonderful event
Of course who can forget the great community we had on election night 2004:
So Long! We’ll Miss You! (Not)
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/
13391_So_Long!_Well_Miss_You!_(Not)/
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Palestinian Car Swarm Watch Redux
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/
17655_Palestinian_Car_Swarm_Watch_Redux/
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And finally, the 2008 election debates. A good time was had by all. Even Sharmuta sounded like a conservative (and zombie was there!)
Final Presidential Debate 2008, Thread 6
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/
31586_Final_Presidential_Debate_2008_Thread_6/
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I hope this trip down memory lane reminds us that although we feel betrayed by the 180 degree turn that LGF has taken, not very long ago it was a great place and had so many wonderful, intelligent, and witty people associated with it. Charles Johnson did provide the format but it was the posters who made the blog.
What are the threads/memories that stand out to you as a testament to the good times? I would have to say any thread with Aisha! ~m
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We're not easily offended and don't want people to think they have to walk on eggshells around here (like at another place that shall remain nameless) but of course, there is a limit to everything.
Glenn Beck is killing them by simply doing his homework, digging deeper, reporting what he finds AND using their own words and deeds caught on tape.
If that upsets Charles – and it obviously does – I’m not sure what there is left to say. He should be supporting investigative reporting. Not tearing it down.
Creationtists are the bad guys on his blog now. Just wow…anyone who believes in God is ignorant. Unbelieveable.
I learned a lot from the posters before his blog went down hill.
Just wanted to thank those who worked on this site!
It is fantastic!
I would also like to thank Blogmocracy for all the insight and chucles I had today, they seemed to be the only ones I had, so thank you, been a tough day!
I wouls also like to add a message to Chaz…
Sorry you couldn`t join us today…we`ve had a blast!
In contrast your blog is fully anal and they also seemed to suffer from constipation, with all the irregularity and insanity over there.
Can`t honestly say that I miss you though,
I think your a putz!
Glenn Beck is killing them by simply doing his homework, digging deeper, reporting what he finds AND using their own words and deeds caught on tape.
If that upsets Charles – and it obviously does – I’m not sure what there is left to say. He should be supporting investigative reporting. Not tearing it down.
Truth is always a danger to demagogues.
Note how we’re not hearing about Sharpton suing Limbaugh.
Note how the LSM vets any criticism of Obama but does no investigation of HIS claims.
Note how the truth about Dede whats-her-name blew her candidacy out of the water.
Note how Obama is targeting anyone broadcasting the truth about him or his minions.
Actually truth isn’t the right word it should be REALITY or FACTS!
In contrast your blog is fully anal and they also seemed to suffer from constipation, with all the irregularity and insanity over there.
Can`t honestly say that I miss you though,
I think your a putz!
Now don’t be shy, tell us how you really feel? LOL
I think the Democratic primaries of 2008 were especially fun. Yes, the place had already gone off track, but there was so much popcorn- worthy, hilarious news that you could overlook it. Commenters posted pictures and info about what was going on in their own backyards, and I remember the detailed electoral maps Opilio made.
I like the layout, with the shaded quote blocks etc.. I’m sure the design will evolve over the next few months, things will get added tweeked and all that jazz.
@ Lolly Gator:
In contrast your blog is fully anal and they also seemed to suffer from constipation, with all the irregularity and insanity over there.
Can`t honestly say that I miss you though,
I think your a putz!
Now don’t be shy, tell us how you really feel? LOL
These two comments are related.
The 180 degree turn at Little Green Meltdown caused a Cranial-Rectal Inversion. Due to the blockage, constipation has ensued with concomitant result of watering eyes, confused thought, distracted demeanor with cramps and gastro-intestinal pain.
@ wolfie:
They lost me with the christian attacks, you could see the incremental steps month by month. Not that I posted much, but I was there from almost the beginning. I never did like the one upmansship games played there and hope it is left behind. The linkviewer was probably the most valuable item there. The comments like most blogs, derail themselves and devolved into various forms of gotcha or fun and games. Here we have a chance to move forward, and use the notice we are given,to put forth the issues important to society today and give more than just an “I agree”. Let’s do our new Icons proud. Go 2.0
Just search for “aisha”. It should bring all of them up. Saving screen shots would probably be laborious, but if you could just cut and paste the text into a word doc, we could sort out the formatting later.
I remember the night I registered at LGF. I was giddy. Then I saw the change coming ever so slowly and I found this site. I read about all the bannings. When Mama Winger was banned that was it for me. Does anyone know what happened to her. And Ed Mamoud or something like that. The weather guy! .I do see familiar nics here
What are the threads/memories that stand out to you as a testament to the good times?
Well let me be the first to say that I thoroughly enjoyed 1.0 in its hey day. I looked forward each day to logging to entertain the company of like minded and kindred spirits who shared my opinions where it came to the struggle against Islamofacism and other political stuff.
I can recount many good times discoursing with many people whose nics are no longer there, and even got hat tips from Cj from time to time. When I was banned I had no regret nor remorse from the unreasonable overstay as seen through the eyes of Charles, but looked at it as a great run having been one that had many readers. It was a great time, and although missed it is not a thing I languish over.
But things began to change over at 1.0, and I decided I would not sit idle as many before me were banned for just speaking the truth. So I decided to face Charles with one simple innocuous question in an open thread where he brought his anti-creationist spiel to hunt out those who may disagree. Do you believe in God? He was ready for me, and instead of answering the question decided I was not worthy of any answer.
I wrote the following here on 20 July, 2008, when this blog was just beginning.
I was a long time poster at LGF – over 4 years – and well known there, but no more. And Barry Wom was not my nic there.
I think it’s fairly obvious Charles is consistently, and rather transparently, ridiculing people of faith. He claims this is not the case, that he is merely bringing science to his blog. If that were the case then there would be other science stories. Instead we see post after post that suggests if one has faith in a creator then you are stupid.
He has driven away many fine minds and writers who are fed up with his incessant in your face degradation of those who believe in a Creator. What is even more troubling are those who fawn over him when rather they should be exposing his weakly veiled bias. If he continues this course you can be sure all that will be left there are lap dogs in a useless echo chamber.
What a shame to think at one time I respected this man. He will get what he deserves and soon enough.
Heh. Somehow I think it would be “bad craziness” if someone like Sarah Palin prayed for a person’s death, as Charles was doing. Of course, I agree with his earlier wishes.
Cool redesign, btw, though I’d prefer a thinner sidebar and wider comment area.
The mamawinger was the tipping point. She did nothing wrong and he treated her like trash. And before that kkkilgore trout did the same thing…opinined her greatly with his trashing of all things in the name of God. She was a sweet and decent poster.
@ snork:
That would be a daunting task if you wanted the entire comment. the search page only shows a portion of the full comment. At least that’s my recollection. You’d have to click on each comment in the list to see the full comment. that would take a LOT of time.
He does dabble in science outside of the creation business. That’s my issue: he dabbles in something he doesn’t understand. He might as well try to have deep biblical discussions based on his paper-thin understanding of the bible.
And he’s emphatic. If you are out of your depth, stay out of it. We have too many dilettantes in the media as it is; we don’t need dabblers in blogging.
Cane_Loader, shoot an email to the blogmocracy @ gmail account and I’ll get your specifics. We want you to be able to see all the good stuff and post with us when you can!
Cane_Loader, shoot an email to the blogmocracy @ gmail account and I’ll get your specifics. We want you to be able to see all the good stuff and post with us when you can! (in white text in case you can see that better, maybe- hopefully
First Charles banned her for posting at Gagdad Bob’s site (and she was actually defending lizards against the names they were being called), and then “relented” and let her back in…
Only to ban her again when she said she was a friend of Song & Dance Man’s after he was banned! Mama Winger! She was never hateful to anyone! After that, Charles talked like she was just awful. It was nutz.
You have written so eloquently about how I felt about LGF. And another thing I just noticed- I had to go back one last time: CJ rarely posted back in the good old days. Now he posts or threatens constantly. Really sad when you think of the demise.
Mama Winger defended cj on another blog. Then she e-mailed him to say she had defended him and he let her back in. Some posters were trashing song and dance man …. and she said that he was her friend.
Quickly banned and he trashed her name too.
Aisha was a hoot. I just may ask her to make an appearance here, just for old times sake.
Aisha was great! I remember seeing Aisha wander in once in awhile when there weren’t too many people around and some newbies were flabbergasted that the regular people were falling all over the place in stitches.
I don’t remember how the search works, but you are probably right. I don’t know if there’s a short cut way to get everything. I don’t remember how many comments Aisha made, but you’re probably right that that would be laborious.
One of the best nights over there was the “Night of the Gaza Rooster”
I had a blast.
My first best night over there was when I took on two trolls who had all the big words but couldn’t use them to formulate a sound argument.
I argued with them and won but the thread ended up as a mish mash of quotes from me and the antagonists. The next day Cj commented in surprise the thread we had engaged in had gone over 200 posts and I was advised by the regulars at the time that I needed to use better formatting skills. Heh. I was a novice at the time and had only been there for a month or so.
You have written so eloquently about how I felt about LGF. And another thing I just noticed- I had to go back one last time: CJ rarely posted back in the good old days. Now he posts or threatens constantly. Really sad when you think of the demise.
I made a post about this a few days ago. yes I really did read all the comments over there for a whole day and CFnJ posted a total of just FIVE. The five comments he posted on threads were just bits of nothing and fluff.
He has finally got the hint I think. He is NOT posting anywhere near as mant “comments” as he was.
Bummer for me and my old browser – black blog with charcoal-gray text.
Can’t read this – I’ll wait awhile until the changes are done.
Don’t sweat it – just ’cause I’m a Luddite doesn’t mean the world has to change for me.
I gave up on amber screens back the the late 80’s.
I dabble in many things, but when confronted by one who can hand me my dabble hat, I, like most, can bow move back and give place to the greater knowledge of another. Most of us are like that.
That is not the case of the Racist Detective. He has nominal knowledge about a host of things that he grips with kitchen table mitts and is convinced of greater knowledge from his bathroom library.
I was lurking on the sekrit thread. According to Charles, Iowahawk delinked LGF and then lurked on that thread to watch the reaction. But who can believe Charles?
Song, There was someone else on that thread that stood up for you. The thread where mama was banned for good. I can’t remember his nic now. RLM? RWM? He was banned instantly.
It was a short,innocuous comment, too. Nothing combative or argumentative. I am ashamed to say that the rest of us kept our mouthes shut.
I wish I could remember his nic. He deserves to be remembered.
E A E B E A
I finally broke into the prison, I found my place in the chain.
E A A7 E
Even damnation is poisoned with rainbows,
E7 A
all the brave young men they’re waiting now to see a signal
F#m B B7
which some killer will be lighting for pay.
chorus:
A E A
Into this furnace I ask you now to venture,
E B A E
you whom I cannot betray.
additional lyrics:
I fought in the old revolution on the side of the ghost and the King.
Of course I was very young and I thought that we were winning;
I can’t pretend I still feel very much like singing
as they carry the bodies away.
chorus
Lately you’ve started to stutter as though you had nothing to say.
To all of my architects let me be traitor.
Now let me say I myself gave the order
to sleep and to search and to destroy.
chorus
Yes, you who are broken by power, you who are absent all day,
you who are kings for the sake of your children’s story,
the hand of your beggar is burdened down with money,
the hand of your lover is clay.
A nitpick: The reply function should reference the poster AND #, not @ postername. The quote function should also reference the comment #.
A kudo: I do like the fact that avatars are large enough to be easily readable/viewable without an electron microscope.
I thought the same way until I realized that:
1. you can GO to the comment directly using the hyperlink so you don’t NEED the comment number.
2. you can use your back button to return to the post where the commenter’s link appeared. that way you can continue to go through the thread if you’re trying to catch up.
See how that works? it’s actually much easier than go back to a previous comment mentioned in someone else’s comment whilst trying to catch up on a thread.
AND you can post comments as you go and not lose your place in the thread.
Hey Eliana, I did not know of Eisha until about three months before I was banned. I will never forget the first post of hers that I read. I was totally unaware that it was parody. I thought that Charles had gone off of his rocker and was allowing Islamofacisist to take over his site. She had made a post that ran forever describing why homosexuality was the fault of the jews. I was pissed and reported her comments and down-dingded them. LOL, then a couple of days later I saw her post again and realized that it was all a joke. I had to go back and correct my dings. She was amazing.
jakee308 wrote:
1. you can GO to the comment directly using the hyperlink so you don’t NEED the comment number.
2. you can use your back button to return to the post where the commenter’s link appeared. that way you can continue to go through the thread if you’re trying to catch up.
See how that works? it’s actually much easier than go back to a previous comment mentioned in someone else’s comment whilst trying to catch up on a thread.
I tried it and that does seem to do the trick. Thank you.
I remember when the Aisha comments first started – I think everyone was kind of asking “What’s going on?” (and Aisha started out somewhat gentle, as I recall).
Then things got hilarious as Aisha picked up steam.
It would be great to get her over here. I was only exposed to her on three different occasions, but they were awesome. Of course, it took a little bit to get used to her. Well worth it though.
I was just thinking about how CJ would react to your avatar. You spittle-spewing, shrieking wingnut!
Then I realized at 1.0 it would just be a b&w blob. You could get away with it for ages!
Since we’re supposed to remember some of the good things, I remember how much fun it was on the night threads when you came on.
Hey savage! Where’ve you been? Where are you? etc etc
And then you’d give us all news of your travels.
DANG! I just checked out the link from the 2008 presidential debate — contrasting that 1.0 with the mutation we see today — a seriously sad thing. Everything that made it a lively, open, informative and entertaining blog is gone — it’s been turned into a haunted, life denying, light denying echo chamber.
@ RickZ:
I was just thinking about how CJ would react to your avatar. You spittle-spewing, shrieking wingnut!
Then I realized at 1.0 it would just be a b&w blob. You could get away with it for ages!
I hate to break the news to you, Wolfie, but I’m not spittle-spewing, I just drool now. Shrieking takes too much energy, and ruins the drool. A wingnut I accept being called, except I was a NYRangers fan, although Detroit was the first NHL team I saw live as a kid, playing against their local farm team.
As for the avatar, that’s a rayra special, and I stole it from him. Now rayra is a blast from the past you may not know. He coined the term ‘Nancy’ in describing Chucky. One of the early banned, in what is lovingly referred to as the Friday Night Purge (might have been on a FNDT). But there have been so many purges since, they all kind of run together. I also find the stealth bannings pretty hilarious. The main difference between the two is that with a banning, as opposed to a stealth one, the commenter gets trashed by everybody, starting with Chucky. With a stealth one, they are ‘disappeared’, and usually someone comments a month or two later with a ‘Whatever happend to ___?’, followed by hushed murmers.
140 | November 1, 2009 11:03 pm
@ RickZ:
aussie dave, I think.
I think Aussie Dave was a different poster, and it would have been ‘David’. I could be wrong, as I make no claims to the stability of my cerebral synaptic pathways, including the memory stored in my cerebral cortex.
Sir, even if I wanted to argue against that statement, I couldn’t. It is really sad how far down the rabbit hole they have gone. Like a bad acid trip with Jimmy Hendrix.
The last Aisha post that I saw was over a month ago. Right before I pissed off the gerbils. It had been a long time since her last. SO long that Weazy and Jimmah weren’t aware of her special nature. It was good and funny till someone let peanut boy know the scoop.
@ Eliana:
I missed out on Aisha. Fill us in, por favor.
Aisha was an accepted sock of an Australian poster mocking pisslam from a female’s perspective. Some posts were funny, but it was a hit or miss type of thing. Definitely not Iowahawk level, but not bad.
Today was the first day ever that I noticed that 2.0 had more comments posted than 1.0, Actually by quite a bit. I really think this is tipping point. CJ has been exposed as an imposter and the real spirit of the original LGF is right here.
Aisha is hard to describe without having the Aisha posts handy, but the idea was that Aisha was a Muslim woman who was always on a mild to medium snit about things going on that are “haram” (forbidden in Islam) or other such concerns.
In the course of this mild to medium snit, Aisha’s turn of phrase was very funny. The guy who did Aisha didn’t use spelling to show an accent or anything, but the choice of words made an accent imaginable.
As I recall Aisha, a lot of the posts had double intendres that seemed to come from someone who didn’t know they were double intendres (if you know what I mean).
It was all done in perfect seriousness without a clue that it was a joke or a parody. The writing was extremely clever, too!!!
I wish I could remember more, but what I recall is that people were a bit confused about Aisha at first but then figured out that it was a parody (and who was doing it). Definitely a guy from Australia.
After that, people would totally crack up just to see Aisha’s name. Then we’d watch Aisha perform in the thread. He didn’t write that many posts or anything, but each one was funny in the Aisha way.
@ song_and_dance_man:
“City of Tiny Lights” was the flip side of “Baby Snakes” on a picture disc I think. Although your video didn’t link here, it’s viewable on teh Utoobage. Too late to toss musical frisbees around for me tonight.
I somtimes think ‘Aisha’ tried too hard, while Iowahawk read much more easily. David Burge has blossomed, making a blogoshpere name for himself in a good way. I believe Iowahawk was banned at 1.0 because of a post about ‘T Coddington Van Voorhees VII’, giving his ketch the name, Nancy. Everyone knows Chucky has no sense of humor whatsoever. The self-deprecating kind is the most hated — and unknown — of all. Chucky takes himself so seriously he becomes a parody of himself all by himself.
Hey, nice pad. I remember the 2004 election at the old place. I listened to Glenn Beck on another link and posted… Never knew CJ would change like he did. Actually, it has worked out for the best. He is no longer a factor, for anything.
@ snork:
If you’re running Windows – just open up ‘Paint’ and then hit Ctrl+Alt+Print Scrn. Paste in ‘Paint’ and you have a perfect, clear as a bell (WTF does that mean anyhow ?) screenshot. Save in your fav format jpg, bitmap etc. Really as simple as ‘copy/paste’ and it has that ‘real deal’ feel to it. No accidental loss of text etc. No way around a screen shot (unless you’re into ‘photoshopping’ and all that.
“Photoshopping” ? WTF ?
“Honey, where are you going ?”
“I’ll be back soon dear, just going to do little photoshopping – then over to Home Depot. Need any photos ?”
“No thank you, I’m all set. Hurry back though – the Hendersons will be here at 7″.
/conversation never heard by anyone – using a word that would never be used by anyone. But me. I’ll grow on you – eventually.
Today was the first day ever that I noticed that 2.0 had more comments posted than 1.0, Actually by quite a bit. I really think this is tipping point. CJ has been exposed as an imposter and the real spirit of the original LGF is right here.
I think that if you include the other blogs that people vacated to, it’d be a LOT more than post over there.
@ Eliana:
But Wait! There’s more!
HYPOCRACY ALERT: ANTI AGW ARGUMENTS FROM LGF 27 JULY 2008
Pass it on…
Interesting thread. I have observed and wondered how selrahC went from a mildy anti-AGW stance to a full blown pro-AGW one. And the answer to that seems to me comes from the ramblings of Professor Ludwig constantly blowing in his ear.
In this thread alone, the professor has made some 40 posts over a 24 hour period. Pushing the evidence, data, and peer review schtick as hard as he can.
First one (#160) at Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:15:32pm.
Last one (#265) at Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:49:31pm.
And I noticed that his userid is both “LudwigVanQuixote” with capitals, and “ludwigvanquixote” without capitals. Not sure what that means.
freetoken
Mon, Nov 2, 2009 1:31:37am Ultimately I believe it will be shown that so much of what has passed as “conservatism” in these days is nothing more than fear masked by hypertrophied militarism
OK, nothing cnvoluted about that logic. Absolutely no foundation for this comment, but never mind it just fits the mindset at the Swamp.
Ok, now you have me confused, the Coast has some twists.
As an example in Huntington Beach if you look out to sea, the mountains are behind you, but in LA it is over to the right?
Have you noticed that in the Age of Obama dissent is no longer considered patriotic & “speaking truth to power”?
Disagreement is now considered being obsructionist & to point out flip flops is just hateful.
@ RIX:
I’m sorry! I was being general and tongue-in-cheek.
Here in Pittsburgh, I’m pretty close to Erie, PA and they’ve got some beautiful sunsets up there due to the fact that they face west.
I’ve never even seen the Pacific.
Hey bro, nothing to apologize for, this is not thet other place.
Actually whether you meant it or not, the SoCal Coast does twist & the mountains can be off to the right.
@ RIX:
And it’s ok for the newsman to call me a “teabagger.”
Even I didn’t see that coming.
Yeah I heard John King use that term on CNN yesterday. It is an insult & noone called him on it.
If you are going to the Tea Parties, thank you.
It looks to me like the Tea Parties & Town Halls started Obama’s erosion.
@ Bumr50:
I really only got interested in Beck because CJ’s whining about him got me curious.
I don’t know that I am crazy about Beck’s style but he seems to have courage & he values the truth. Charles posted Beck’s smack down of him which was world class. I figured this guy Beck has got something.
Chuckles have a mental breakdown? Or did he stop getting invited to the ‘C’ list Hollyweird parties and end up with other has-beens at the kiddie table?
@ RIX:
Chuckles have a mental breakdown? Or did he stop getting invited to the ‘C’ list Hollyweird parties and end up with other has-beens at the kiddie table?
I have never witnessed anyone transform so quickly & completely.
He also is now as mean as a snake. There is something very wrong going on.
It’s a wonderfully suited avatar based on your commentary and dialogue!
Perhaps Charles found that he had lost personal friends based on his newly stoked conservative ideology and it became too much to handle.
I can appreciate that it’s frightfully hard to be a conservative and express your feelings among the ‘artsy’ crowd. It’s no excuse, but perhaps a reason.
It’s a conspiracy! They took that steel to build the ship before anyone could prove explosives brought the Twin Towers down. It’s BUSH! FIRE NEVER MELTED STEEL BEFORE!
JuSt reading Charlses’s poSts from a few years go,I am still amazed at the complete left-wing turn he has made. The Charles of 2003 would not bother with a daily rant against a Glenn Beck – not when there are deadly serious people out there who want to killus.
JuSt reading Charlses’s poSts from a few years go,I am still amazed at the complete left-wing turn he has made. The Charles of 2003 would not bother with a daily rant against a Glenn Beck – not when there are deadly serious people out there who want to killus.
That image of Buckingham Palace that I posted earlier is not a spoof It comes from a site called http://www.islam4uk.com . I expect that there is an American equivalent showing minarets around the capitol which already has a dome.
@ Bumr50:
Charles is delighted that that Scozzofava has endorsed Owen. He has a thread up. Socons are the greatest threat facing the world don’t you know.
Yes,love of family,country, personal integrity,honor, such tiresome obsolete notions to people like selrahC.
HELP! Can anyone instruct me in very simple terms how to compress my links? Whenever I hit the link option an idiotic Vista box pops up and won’t let me do anything but type the url. Some of them are pretty long,is there a shortcut?
Good morning, and kudos again on the new look & feel. Appearance is always secondary to content for me, and this place was just fine as “2.0, 1.0″. But the new “2.0, 2.0″ is very, very cool.
Regarding the thread topic: I loved Cox and Forkham, and looked forward to their latest treatment of moonbattery. Their longstanding logo for the site was spot on, and when Johnless Narc Ho removed it, that was like the formal lowering of the flag.
And that, to me, was symptomatic of a deeper underlying disease: it was bad enough that the place did an inexplicable reversal of its politics. But the fact that it also completely lost its sense of humor indicated that the disease was terminal. 1.0 is dead; long live 2.0.
(And I applaud the attempt to corral these discussions into targeted threads. I’ve checked out CC, and found that its “No Little Green Fubars” discussion policy makes the place bland. These discussions are cathartic, but confining them to specific threads is healthy. Kudos again, for a common sense approach.)
It’s ok. After you paste the URL into the Vista box, click ok, then type the text you want the link to be (the short text)then click the link button again, and it will close the tag for you.
Then, your post with contain the link (the few short words) and take them to the page you want.
@ tommy torquemada:
Someone pointed out last week that the LGF Dictionary has vanished down the memory hole. Yes I enjoyed too the latest evidence of moonbattery – come to think of it he does not even use the term “moonbat” anymore, but he sure loves “wingnut”.
Is that not freaking amazing! They pull the plug on the links moments after I posted. I first stumbled across the sites in Mark Steyn’s “Sharia can wait” and possibly that is why they pull the plug. Fuck! I should have photobucketed the thing!
Yes I know. It is funny though how LGF has gotten rid of its own dictionary that people such as myself (and many others) actually worked on (In the”many thanks to” on the dedication – I am there).
I think I mislead you, Bumr is right, copy the URL before you click on the link button. Then press ctrl-v on your keyboard to paste said URL into the “idiot Vista box”, then click ok.
Perhaps Charles found that he had lost personal friends based on his newly stoked conservative ideology and it became too much to handle.
I also figured as much, that and his probable paranoia about what the waiters in West LA were doing to the plates they served him. I said as much in my second to last post; in a very subtle but still explicit way.
Did anyone receive an obsessive amount of private emails from NYnana?
She was known at other blogs to stir up a lot of shit behind the scenes and bombard others with emails as well as attempt to collect phone numbers. A friend of mine were so happy to find a blog that she wasn’t at and sure enough about a year later she popped up at lgf. I heard of just one stunt she pulled that concerned one of the bloggers there who had serious health problems and did something rather sick on his behalf… just don’t recall those details.
I, too, heard stories of NYninny’s email BS, saying one thing on them, and another on a blog post. Glad I never had any emails from her. From what I discerned, calling her two-faced is being very polite.
She was psycho and a really mean and cleaver one at that. I had the unfortunate experience of her trying to weasel her way into my privacy. She sent hundreds of emails trying to have me turn on someone she didn’t like and even instant message at all times…. after 3 or 4 of those, I uninstalled IM. She managed to have me and my friend kicked off that way old blog that not many here would know about.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
It’s a wonderfully suited avatar based on your commentary and dialogue!
Perhaps Charles found that he had lost personal friends based on his newly stoked conservative ideology and it became too much to handle.
I can appreciate that it’s frightfully hard to be a conservative and express your feelings among the ‘artsy’ crowd. It’s no excuse, but perhaps a reason.
The whole mess is more about rage, frustration and vengeance that his new rightwing (and Jewish) friends had abandoned him and stabbed him in the back.
Don’t forget: CJ was the locomotive for (neo)-conservative bloggers. After the blogger-war had started with GoV/Atlas/Fjordman and only few of his “new friends” had supported him he became distrustful. It went on with the pro-Koeln event and the break with JW and again he was sold down the river. The decision to make ID and creationism in science classes a subject worsened everything because he as well as his opponents (or most of them) didn’t understand that the whole issue is not about what people belief (or not belief) but about separation of science and belief. Again his new friends acted like the three apes and this enraged him. He was done with his former friends and the GOP and he started a campaign of vengeance (the other McCain etc.) and he burned the bridges behind him.
Another question is how he dealt with the whole issue. CJ is a character who dichotomizes everything. There isn’t much space for gray in between. He also acts like a 5-year old child hurting himself (or his business) out of anger but children at this age will forget their anger some minutes later and go on. Not so CJ. In his fury he destroys everything for what he and his community had worked so hard only to harm his enemies. But this can’t work because he has lost a great part of his community (out of his dichotomizing) and has weakened himself. Also his second step to change the sides worsened and weakened his position because every one of his antagonists now calls him a “left-winger” and doesn’t take him serious any longer. He has disarmed himself and has become irrational in his thinking. Not the best strategy to harm your opponents.
@ RickZ:
She was psycho and a really mean and cleaver one at that.
It is statements like this that give me serious pause. It’s the innertubes, fergawdsakes. Are these people like this in meat space? Or do they get off being something they’re not, like being in a version of FantasyLand where they are the star of the show? I’ve never really understood the whole dynamics behind such behavior, but it seems far more prevelent than I care to think about. I guess caveat emptor has morphed into caveat lector/lectrix.
Bumr50 wrote:
Don’t forget: CJ was the locomotive for (neo)-conservative bloggers. After the blogger-war had started with GoV/Atlas/Fjordman and only few of his “new friends” had supported him he became distrustful.
One thing I’m curious about from the old days.
Did anyone receive an obsessive amount of private emails from NYnana?
She was known at other blogs to stir up a lot of shit behind the scenes and bombard others with emails as well as attempt to collect phone numbers. A friend of mine were so happy to find a blog that she wasn’t at and sure enough about a year later she popped up at lgf. I heard of just one stunt she pulled that concerned one of the bloggers there who had serious health problems and did something rather sick on his behalf… just don’t recall those details.
You referring to realwest? Funny that they are both now on the same blog.
CJ didn’t start the war he only pointed out that they have sided with the wrong (fascist) party. Insofar he was right and they were wrong and there is enough evidence out there for this argument.
Speaking of the sea, I’ve been reading Patrick O’Brian’s epic series about the British Navy which began with “Master And Commander,” which was turned into a decent movie starring Russell Crowe. I’m about 8 books in, and it just gets better and better. I don’t want it to end, but I know it does, because O’Brien died in 2000.
RickZ wrote:
Guggi wrote:
Bumr50 wrote:
Chucky started the friggin’ war!
CJ didn’t start the war he only pointed out that they have sided with the wrong (fascist) party. Insofar he was right and they were wrong and there is enough evidence out there for this argument.
You’re daft. GoV is not fascist, neither is Spencer or Geller. Chucky ate too many little green footballs as a young adult, and his brain is fried.
Yes, Chucky started the war. It took RSM to fight back. Once he did, the whole righty blogosphere finally jumped all over Chucky. People like Ace, or Jawa, stayed away, but finally could ignore it no longer. Even Iowahawk took him on. Chucky was wrong from the get-go. He has no knowledge of European politics. Hell, he barely ha knowledge of American politics, much less programming.
For you to type what you did above after all this time shows you either are a CJ suckophant or just not paying attention. In either case, you are so wrong. People like Dewinter and Wilders are trying to save Europe from fascist islam, not save it for fascists of any color.
I’ve seen two people suffer mental breakdowns in my life, a brother-in-law and a business colleague, and I’m convinced Chuckie’s had some kind of personal crisis he couldn’t handle. It’s one thing to change your mind about some political matters, and do some re-evaluating of your positions on things — I and many other former LGF’ers did so after 9/11, and in the years to follow.
It’s something else again to turn into a paranoid freak, who can’t handle ANY dissent from his personal party-line, and to employ a host of lackeys and sock-puppets to play Whack-A-Mole with any such free-thinkers on your formerly-popular blog. Bad King Charles has gone quite mad. Luckily, his only kingdom is that awful little website (”I wrote all the code myself, which is why it takes ten minutes to load!”), so he can’t hurt anyone but himself. It’s all over but the wailing and gnashing of teeth, looks like.
My favorite bit of his, before I was blocked from even viewing his website, was his deification of the greeting card writer Peter Sinclair as “The Genius Of AGW.” Too funny! Is he still featuring those raves for Sinclair’s regular Youtube releases?
Clearly, RickZ is an LGF-minion, a dying breed. We should attempt to keep his line from going extinct, by setting up a preserve and trying to breed them in captivity. This is where Sharm comes in…Yikes!
Howdy all of the overnight thread…just saw what happened to the joint and I say kudo’s it looks great…just a small issue with the right border cutting off the first letter.
@ teacake:
Clearly, RickZ is an LGF-minion, a dying breed. We should attempt to keep his line from going extinct, by setting up a preserve and trying to breed them in captivity. This is where Sharm comes in…Yikes!
HELP! Can anyone instruct me in very simple terms how to compress my links? Whenever I hit the link option an idiotic Vista box pops up and won’t let me do anything but type the url. Some of them are pretty long,is there a shortcut?
Thanks
If someone already covered this, please disregard…
VT, write out the words you want linked… then highlight them… then click the link button and put the url in. When you click ok, it will wrap the link around the words you just highlighted.
You’re daft. GoV is not fascist, neither is Spencer or Geller. Chucky ate too many little green footballs as a young adult, and his brain is fried.
You should first read and then answer. I didn’t write that GoV/Atlas/JW are fascists but they have sided with fascists. Your immature ad hominem attacks are not a basis for discussion.
Yes, Chucky started the war. It took RSM to fight back. Once he did, the whole righty blogosphere finally jumped all over Chucky. People like Ace, or Jawa, stayed away, but finally could ignore it no longer. Even Iowahawk took him on. Chucky was wrong from the get-go. He has no knowledge of European politics. Hell, he barely ha knowledge of American politics, much less programming.
No he did not start the war. The ones who sided with fascist parties started the war denying that the parties were fascists and defending even the swastika. They damaged the anti-jihad movement to the core and no one with an ounce of decency will join the movement anymore. And belief me I have knowledge of European politics.
I have already written that CJ dealt some issues wrong respectively argued irrational at the end.
For you to type what you did above after all this time shows you either are a CJ suckophant or just not paying attention. In either case, you are so wrong. People like Dewinter and Wilders are trying to save Europe from fascist islam, not save it for fascists of any color.
Again ad hominem attacks instead of arguments. It makes me wonder that the community here has a problem to side with Pat Buchanan (remebmer the recent posting?) but not with DeWinter who is a strong ally of Buchanan. It makes me wonder that some here have no problem with a party who’s officials are ardent supporters of David Irving or are financial supported by a rich old Nazi who distributes David Irvings Holocaust denying books for free.
The Shariah requires us, when taking a shit, to not face the Qiblah. We are also required not to point our assholes towards the Qiblah, for either would be an affront towards Islaam and Allah Ta’ala. So next time you need to take a shit, 90 degrees to Makkah, or you go to hell, inshallah!
There was no – SIDING with Pat Buchanan. Someome posted something SPECIFIC – (that I think should have been quoted from someone else, that’s for sure) but most of the comments on that thread and the surrounding ones were slamming him.
@ Guggi:
I don’t believe Geller and Spencer have “sided with fascists” either. I have read them both for too long to believe they ever would.
Sorry to object. They have sided with the VB and the VB is a fascist party which officials have acclaimed David Irving. They wanted to side with the pro-Koeln movement and this movement is a) financial supported by an old German nazi and b) nearly all their members have a fascist/right wing extremist past. Geller as well as Spencer defended as well the VB as the pro-Koeln movement. It was disgusting.
@ Guggi:
A pro Israel fascist party? Somehow I doubt that. I would not beliEve anything Chaz wrote even if he said that 2 + 8 = 10. I gave Chaz the benefit of the doubt in the beginning becasue of my gret affection for him but I regret that now and I will take Robert Spencer’s word any day of the week over his.
@ RickZ:
Based upon Chucky Cheese’s say so? Riiiiight.
No, because there is enough evidence out there. Did you ever read it?
Same can be said for your idiocy.
Please, can you define my “idiocy”?
First off, you said GoV, et.al., are not fascists, but support fascists. Supporting fascists makes one fascist, which makes your statement idiotic.
The second is you state ‘the evidence is out there’, like it’s a version of the X-Files. Euro politics are not our politics. For example, being a Nazi in Germany is illegal, as is being a Holocaust denier. Now here in the US, that is not the case. Do I agree with the German law? You bet your sweet bippy I do. We had to bomb the Nazi out of the Germans, and these laws make that lesson stick. Wilders wants the koran banned as book which fosters hate. Now I agree with him; the koran fosters hate. Does that make Wilders a fascist, becasuse he’s speaking plain truth, not Euro-nuanced truth? No, of course not. Europe is farther along the path of dhimmitude (Eurabia) than the US currently is. But with the increase in honor killings here, the FL ruling sending Rifqa Bary back to Ohio because ’she’s not in any danger’ shows we are not far behind. With Barry the Prevaricator in the Oval Office, things will get worse here before they have a chance to get better. The new EU consititution is not created by the people, but by the elites. The elites are cramming down their throats the whole multi-culti thing, and that includes the immigration of great muslim hordes refusing to assimilate to, or even acknowledge, the laws of their new home countries. (Just look at the dhimmitude of one of the Scandi countries, where women are being told to dress more modestly so as not to offend some neanderthal muslim and end up being raped.) We see that multi-culti approval here with Hispanic illegal immigration, mostly Mexican. Does opposing illegal immigration make me a fascist? If so, then I’m a Cross of Odin loving fascist.
But for you to decide that the ‘evidence’ proves fascists are running rampant in Europe is absurd on its face. The info came from Chucky’s website, and that in and of itself should have given you serious pause. For you to believe that standing up for one’s culture makes one fascist is ridiculous on its face. Why do you believe that standing up for one’s culture and heritage is fascsist, especially when doing so against an islam power play takeover through immigration? Are you suicidal? Do you want Europe to be suicidal? The reason the BNP is growing in the UK is because the elites are not listening to the people, just like here. Those ‘betters’ know what’s good for us and them, and people are getting fed up being fed such multi-culti BS.
I still can’t believe anybody who escaped from Chucky Cheese’s Funny Farm still believes anything he ever ‘proved’, whether it be Glowbull Warming or Fascists on every European streetcorner.
@ Guggi 326:
Ok, again…
There was no – SIDING with Pat Buchanan. Someome posted something SPECIFIC – (that I think should have been quoted from someone else, that’s for sure) but most of the comments on that thread and the surrounding ones were slamming him.
That waa the article that Bob in Breckinridge posted last week and we all came down on Buchanan like a ton of bricks. This is not a pro Pat Buchanan site. His anti Semitism, isolationism, are well documented.
Gotcha- I misread it as we have a problem (because) we were siding with Pat.
Nevah-evah!
But I still take Fjordman’s word over Charles’ where European politics are concerned and I always will. One is over there in the middle of it, and the other one is linking leftie sites from over there to make his points.
I don’t fully trust leftie sites here so there is no way I would fully trust leftie sites over there. Especially when they’re translated by new-comer blog posters.
Especially when they’re translated by new-comer blog posters.
Especially when they only showed up to argue THAT specific topic (and of course, left after all the damage was done). If it was someone I had read for years (like Fjordman), maybe I would have given them more weight.
That waa the article that Bob in Breckinridge posted last week and we all came down on Buchanan like a ton of bricks. This is not a pro Pat Buchanan site. His anti Semitism, isolationism, are well documented.
On top of that, the vote was generally in favor of leaving the thread up, along with all the Buchanan bashing. Because even if Buchanan was right on the topic posted, like a stopped clock, he is still an asshole.
I would think Pam Geller is smart enough to know what she is doing and she told me Charles has actually done a lot of damage in things he knows nothing about. As I recall, Pam has even met with John Bolton.
Anyhow, in my own little view of things, when it comes to being taken over by islam, somethings might need to be put aside for a while.(?)
Yes, I’ll take Pam Geller, with her broad-based knowledge of politics and international affairs, over a pony-tailed musician any day, especially one that finds racists and facists everywhere.
But I still take Fjordman’s word over Charles’ where European politics are concerned and I always will. One is over there in the middle of it, and the other one is linking leftie sites from over there to make his points.
m,
I stopped reading Fjordman after fact checking him. He is scaremongering and cherry picking.
No one will deny that there are serious problems with Muslim immigrants in Europe. But neither Fjordman nor VB (even less the pro-Koeln-movement) have a reasonable solution. And by lumping together the very heterogeneous European Muslim communities they want find a reasonable solution for the problems.
I don’t fully trust leftie sites here so there is no way I would fully trust leftie sites over there. Especially when they’re translated by new-comer blog posters.
@ teacake:
Yes, I’ll take Pam Geller, with her broad-based knowledge of politics and international affairs, over a pony-tailed musician any day, especially one that finds racists and facists everywhere.
And one that is intellectually dishonest – see “Don’t believe your lying eyes, Obama did not bow to the Saudis and if he did, Bush did too!”
@ Speranza:
VB is NOT pro-Israel. Till 2001 they were open antisemtic. Now they masking as pro-Israel.
You don’t have to trust CJ but hopefully this source.
Go to “Extreme Right Political Parties”
btw: you and CJ are brothers in arms. You act in the same irrational way he does nowadays. “Because X said….I don’t trust”.
selrahC nosnhoJ and I are not brothers-in-arms. The thought that a proud Jew like Pamela Geller (who granted can be a bit of a “look at me type”) would truck around with anti Semites, Isreal haters is absurd.
@ m:
I stopped reading Fjordman after fact checking him. He is scaremongering and cherry picking.
He lives there, ferfucksake. What do you have against first hand accounts? Don’t believe them? Or don’t like what they say as it goes against your preformed, and perverted, opinions?
No one will deny that there are serious problems with Muslim immigrants in Europe. But neither Fjordman nor VB (even less the pro-Koeln-movement) have a reasonable solution.
While your solution is to criticize and do nothing, or worse have them commuit suicide.
And by lumping together the very heterogeneous European Muslim communities they want find a reasonable solution for the problems.
Prove muslim communities are heterogenous in Europe. You’re the one making the claim. For me, the call for shari’a, the call for blasphemy laws makes them pretty homogenous to me. Oh yeah, and don’t forget the whole ‘Infidel women are whores’ bit. Car-b-q’s, too.
I don’t fully trust leftie sites here so there is no way I would fully trust leftie sites over there. Especially when they’re translated by new-comer blog posters.
?????
She means you, dipstick.
I’ll go with the one in the know.
Your decision.
Yes it is, as it is yours to remain deaf, dumb and blind. You can kill yourself, but why do you want to drag others to your self-inflicted doom?
I have to wonder from where this Guggi reject popped up, from which website did he wander over here? I know there are people this stupid, but to be still buying Chucky Cheese’s BS after all this time? Just who is this clown?
@ RickZ:
Could be a LGF mol;e. I am sick of people who know shit about European politics painting with a broad stroke. VB is pro Israel, they cannot be a fascist party if they are pro Israel.
@ RickZ: I was wondering that myself. There’s a little too much of it’s all Geller’s fault, and GoV’s fault, etc. Sounds to me like a lizard who ran over here to defend the boss.
Especially after re-writing history on the whole response to the Buchanan thread, complete with Grand Lizard talking points.
Don’t believe them? Or don’t like what they say as it goes against your preformed, and perverted, opinions?
I’m a political scientist and it’s one of my research topics. Last week I was sitting together at a three-days-symposia with him, him, him and him (to name only a few) and I can promise you they didn’t find my opinion “perverted”. How many studies has Fj done on this topic? I was the lead author of one study and a member of the research gruop for another one.
While your solution is to criticize and do nothing, or worse have them commuit suicide.
What gave you that idea? To find solutions you have to analyse the problems locally. There is not ONE solution for all problems with Muslim immigrants in Europe. Germany e.g. faces other problems with their – mostly Turkish immigrants – than France. GB has other problems with the Pakistani than Italy with Muslims from (North-)Africa.
Prove muslim communities are heterogenous in Europe. You’re the one making the claim. For me, the call for shari’a, the call for blasphemy laws makes them pretty homogenous to me. Oh yeah, and don’t forget the whole ‘Infidel women are whores’ bit. Car-b-q’s, too.
see above
She means you, dipstick.
1. I’m not lefty and 2. I didn’t translate anything. I return the dipstick with best regards.
I was talking about the (to that point) unknown blog posters that came over to translate for lizards. Ovy Stroman (or however it was spelled) and the like… (and yes, Babba says she believes everything he says but I don’t)
He decries Eurabia as a myth – While we’re seeing it happening right before our very eyes.
As far as Fjordman is concerned… I disagreed with him many times over there. He’s way more militant than I am. But I’ve never seen him outright lie.
So you live across the pond. Are you going to sit there and tell me “fascists” are a greater threat than the muslim invasion? That “fascists” are going around burning cars, raping women, demanding they be exempted from laws, setting up their own self-imposed ghettoes? As opposed to those “peaceful” muslims who only want to hold hands and sing ‘Kumbaya’ or whatever religious ‘peace, love, and spare change’ song is sung over there? (ETA: The Internationale?)
Puhleeze. If pisslam is so peaceful, why do they have to keep beating us over the heads about it? And why do you defend them? Because by taking pot shots at Wilders, DeWinter, et.al., and you labeling them fascists, you igniore the religous fascists in your midst, and give them a free pass. We all know the reason for that. Like those honest Danish MoToons, were you to speak honestly about pisslam, well, they’d kill you. Or is Theo van Gogh really in hiding?
I stand with that Dutchman with the bad hair, Wilders, any day of the week. He loves his culture, fights for his cultuire to survive. I’m not sure what you wish, but whatever it is, it sure isn’t to criticize the muslims in your midst. No, better to make up some fascist label and apply it to those who do stand up for European culture (which is my heritage, too).
I took a peek at your ‘him’ links. Just thought I’d quote just this one, for shits and giggles:
Over the last few years, Somek’s work has concentrated on the transformation of elementary constitutional ideas in the context of transnational governance structures.
“Transnational government structures.” In other words, tranzis, one worlders. Just fucking great. And this makes you worth listening to why?
“…it’s a funny kind of loyalty to demand, a loyalty that only works in one direction. If the GOP [CJ] is going to start enthusiastically carrying out tea party-style purges, it’s a bit hypocritical to complain about disloyalty from the ones who are cast out.”
I was talking about the (to that point) unknown blog posters that came over to translate for lizards. Ovy Stroman (or however it was spelled) and the like… (and yes, Babba says she believes everything he says but I don’t)
m,
thank you for clarification.
He decries Eurabia as a myth – While we’re seeing it happening right before our very eyes.
Albeit all the problems with Muslim immigrants in Europe I have problems with the word “Eurabia” introduced by Bat Ye’or. It is more a fighting word than a proper description. Bat Ye’or’s interpretation as well of history as of the EU-treaties are mostly overdrawn and have nothing to do with the reality.
I give you an example: Bat Ye’or describes the partnership with the Maghreb states (now the Mediterranian Partnership) in a worst case scenario. But how did the reality look like?
It is true the Maghreb states got longer-term loans with very low interest to improve their infrastructures and to start their industries. But: with those loans they only could buy goods in the EU mainly in France and Germany not on the much cheaper world market. So the Maghreb states secured the jobs and the social welfare in the EU. Never thought about why France was so eager to renew the partnership with the Maghreb states?
But this Bat Ye’or/Fj would never tell you.
Another example: the average Muslim population in the EU is about 4 p.c. Most of the European Muslims live outside the EU (Bosnia-Herzegovia, Russia, Albania, Kosovo) with some hot spots in France (10 p.c.) or Bulgaria (~ 12 p.c.). Can you really call this Eurabia?
It is correct there are huge problems with non-integration, with education, with culture. It is correct that the politicians acted wrong (in many ways) and to late. But to hyperbolize the problems will not solve them.
I was talking about the (to that point) unknown blog posters that came over to translate for lizards. Ovy Stroman (or however it was spelled) and the like… (and yes, Babba says she believes everything he says but I don’t)
m,
thank you for clarification.
He decries Eurabia as a myth – While we’re seeing it happening right before our very eyes.
Albeit all the problems with Muslim immigrants in Europe I have problems with the word “Eurabia” introduced by Bat Ye’or. It is more a fighting word than a proper description. Bat Ye’or’s interpretation as well of history as of the EU-treaties are mostly overdrawn and have nothing to do with the reality.
I give you an example: Bat Ye’or describes the partnership with the Maghreb states (now the Mediterranian Partnership) in a worst case scenario. But how did the reality look like?
It is true the Maghreb states got longer-term loans with very low interest to improve their infrastructures and to start their industries. But: with those loans they only could buy goods in the EU mainly in France and Germany not on the much cheaper world market. So the Maghreb states secured the jobs and the social welfare in the EU. Never thought about why France was so eager to renew the partnership with the Maghreb states?
But this Bat Ye’or/Fj would never tell you.
Another example: the average Muslim population in the EU is about 4 p.c. Most of the European Muslims live outside the EU (Bosnia-Herzegovia, Russia, Albania, Kosovo) with some hot spots in France (10 p.c.) or Bulgaria (~ 12 p.c.). Can you really call this Eurabia?
It is correct there are huge problems with non-integration, with education, with culture. It is correct that the politicians acted wrong (in many ways) and to late. But to hyperbolize the problems will not solve them.
I don’t call it Eurabia, yet. But I do believe that is the way they are headed, and it’s pretty messed up. I was in Holland last year, and sometimes I would look around and ask myself if I really WAS in Holland.
And to see that some of it is by design (one of Rodan’s threads last week… I’d link it if I had a moment)?
I watch as normal people get tired of it and start protesting against it- only to have them called racists for their troubles.
I’d say that’s pretty messed up. (and we’re not far behind)
I don’t call it Eurabia, yet. But I do believe that is the way they are headed, and it’s pretty messed up.
Most of the second and third generation Muslims with immigration background (integrated or not)don’t have more children than the “host”-society respectively the autochthonal population. But I agree the Muslim population in Europe is still rising especially because of new immigrants. But even though the Muslim population is rising to 10 p.c. it will not be “Eurabia”. Denmarks solution to rise the age for marriage with a woman/man of foreign descent to 25 years could be a roll model. One of the most serious problems in Europe is the burden of the social welfare budgets with uneducated immigrants.
I was in Holland last year, and sometimes I would look around and ask myself if I really WAS in Holland
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Holland/the Netherlands is/are a overcrowded country and immigrants concentrate in the cities. This is a problem. But take also in account that Holland like France or GB had colonies. There have always been immigrants.
And to see that some of it is by design (one of Rodan’s threads last week… I’d link it if I had a moment)?
Sorry didn’t read it. Do you have a link?
I watch as normal people get tired of it and start protesting against it- only to have them called racists for their troubles.
This is one of the most fatal mistakes European politicians made and has opened the doors for right wing populists and fascist groups which took the oppotunity to stoke fears and hate.
I’d say that’s pretty messed up. (and we’re not far behind)
I think the whole issue about Robert and Pamela is crazy. Attending a meeting that some VB members attended does not prove they are “siding with fascist”, in my opinion.
Shoot, democratic senators meet with Robert Byrd all the time and that doesn’t mean the whole democratic party “sides with the kkk”.
Oh, thank you. A similar scandal happened at nearly the same time (around 2000 or 2001) in Germany with the red-green government of Schroeder/Fischer but the media was much faster to discover it.
I think the whole issue about Robert and Pamela is crazy. Attending a meeting that some VB members attended does not prove they are “siding with fascist”, in my opinion.
The so called conference took place in the rooms of the VB in the European Parliament and VB was the host of the conference.
Shoot, democratic senators meet with Robert Byrd all the time and that doesn’t mean the whole democratic party “sides with the kkk”.
i) Byrd is a disgrace for the democratic party and CJ repeated this again and again.
ii) If the democratic senators would meet with Byrd in the rooms of the KKK every one would say they are siding with the KKK.
1. I can’t work up any kind of caring about what cj repeated time and time again if you haven’t noticed.
(not meaning that assy towards you, it’s just a fact)
2. If they met in the “rooms of the Nazi party” you could equate the two. They met in the European/Flemish Parliaments and if you guys have what’s equal to the KKK in there – how did they get there? How many people have they strung from a tree?
As it is, VB is the only one trying to do anything about the “bad craziness” to use one of the favored terms:
On October 18 and 19, over 70 organizations and individuals joined together in the European and Flemish Parliaments to create a European network of activists from 14 nations to resist the increasing Islamisation of their countries. Keynote speakers included Bat Ye’or, author of Eurabia and Dhimmitude and Robert Spencer, author of Religion of Peace, Why Christianity is and Islam Isn’t. Additional speakers included David Littman, Dr. Arieh Eldad, member of the Israeli Knesset, Dr. Patrick Sookhdeo, Director of the Institute for the Study of Islam and Christianity, Sam Solomon, Director of Fellowship of Faith for Muslims and author of the Charter of Muslim Understanding, Dr. Marc Cogen, Ghent University, Dr. Andrew Bostom, author of The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism, and Laurent Artur du Plessis, author of a forthcoming book on shariah finance. Many participants worldwide also attended the first day of presentations online through webex conferencing.Armando Manocchio of the Italian organization Una Via per Oriana (“A Way For Oriana”) presented an award to Bat Ye’or in honor of Oriana Fallaci, including a 5,000 Euro scholarship for young journalists.
^ All of these people side with fascist? I don’t see it that way.
You and cj do.
Hi Chuckie!
Like the new look, ya punkass?
I’m luvin it.
@ m:
Did ya get my text to you?
@ m:
We are kicking ass!!!!!!!!!
The response we are getting are amazing!
@ savage:
What’s up!!!!!!!!!!
@ Rodan:
We are indeed at a new level.
That was Lord Hitchens.
@ savage:
Absolutely!
He was praying to a crack pipe
Glenn Beck is killing them by simply doing his homework, digging deeper, reporting what he finds AND using their own words and deeds caught on tape.
If that upsets Charles – and it obviously does – I’m not sure what there is left to say. He should be supporting investigative reporting. Not tearing it down.
@ Rose:
After the way he trashed Zombie…
iam7545 wrote:
Now why did you have to bring up sex toys?
@ song_and_dance_man:
I’ll try not picture that…brain bleach! stat!!!!!
Creationtists are the bad guys on his blog now. Just wow…anyone who believes in God is ignorant. Unbelieveable.
I learned a lot from the posters before his blog went down hill.
this is from the last thread
Just wanted to thank those who worked on this site!
It is fantastic!
I would also like to thank Blogmocracy for all the insight and chucles I had today, they seemed to be the only ones I had, so thank you, been a tough day!
I wouls also like to add a message to Chaz…
Sorry you couldn`t join us today…we`ve had a blast!
In contrast your blog is fully anal and they also seemed to suffer from constipation, with all the irregularity and insanity over there.
Can`t honestly say that I miss you though,
I think your a putz!
Feel free to viit anytime!!!
Godnight all!
God Bless and Thanks Again!
Rose wrote:
Truth is always a danger to demagogues.
Note how we’re not hearing about Sharpton suing Limbaugh.
Note how the LSM vets any criticism of Obama but does no investigation of HIS claims.
Note how the truth about Dede whats-her-name blew her candidacy out of the water.
Note how Obama is targeting anyone broadcasting the truth about him or his minions.
Actually truth isn’t the right word it should be REALITY or FACTS!
So it was not my imagination that there was 180 degrees turn at the LGF!!
@ savage:
I did~ I had already sent the email though! I wanted you to get on but you already had!
Rodan wrote:
We gotta buy MightyConservative’s drinks for the next month. If he drinks. If not, whatever he’s drinking!
I hope he knows how much we appreciate it!
@ Lolly Gator:
Now don’t be shy, tell us how you really feel? LOL
I think the Democratic primaries of 2008 were especially fun. Yes, the place had already gone off track, but there was so much popcorn- worthy, hilarious news that you could overlook it. Commenters posted pictures and info about what was going on in their own backyards, and I remember the detailed electoral maps Opilio made.
I have so many good memories from over there. Before registration I barely commented at all. But I learned so much from people from all over!
Colt’s birthday
Globular Clusters
The mornings waiting for Charles to post and Writermom jumping on his bed.
*good times, good times*
@ m:
@ wolfie 21:
I had already left by then. I’m picturing election night 2012- it’s not pretty.
:-/
A conservative is someone that makes jams, pickles, relishes and so on.
I like the layout, with the shaded quote blocks etc.. I’m sure the design will evolve over the next few months, things will get added tweeked and all that jazz.
@ m:
I missed that part. Prolly for the best.
Just checking Kirly’s list. Yes, of course. Opilio is banned.
Aisha takes the cake when she told how to properly
clean[shave!] a muslimah’s front-bottom.She ended up in a pretzel!
I was honestly LMAO!
Night, Nancy. Last one out, turn off the server.
Incognito wrote:
Sarge, USAF (RET) wrote:
These two comments are related.
The 180 degree turn at Little Green Meltdown caused a Cranial-Rectal Inversion. Due to the blockage, constipation has ensued with concomitant result of watering eyes, confused thought, distracted demeanor with cramps and gastro-intestinal pain.
I prescribe an immediate ENEMA.
Moe Katz wrote:
Ya think? lol!
One of the best nights over there was the “Night of the Gaza Rooster”
I had a blast.
Moe Katz wrote:
NO, NO, That’s a PREservative.
It might mess up my nails!
Reza was offended.
@ m:
Something about front and back bottoms. Can somebody with a sock go in and rescue all the Aisha comments? Or are they already gone?
If they’re rescued, there should be a sidebar item on the front page, “Aisha’s greatest hits”.
@ Sarge, USAF (RET):
I got him in the Vegas Meetup.
The Vegas meet up will be by email only so Charles doesn’t send hit man to harm us.
@ m:
WIERODS!!!11
@ snork:
Aisha was hilarious!!
@ m:
Yes Mighty Conservative will be bought drinks at the Vegas meetup. I have been emailed by people who are looking forward to it.
@ jakee308:
I think you’re on the enema’s list…
@ snork:
I remember that cartoon! It was the same people who did the smurfs.
@ Rodan:
Rodan tragilly I don’t think he has enough money to hire a hitman.
@ snork:
I’m still registered but wouldn’t know how to ‘rescue’ comments. tell me what to do and i’ll try.
Every day on the DDT (dead,dead,thread- daily debauchery thread, whatever) was fun.
{MTNester}! {AussieMagpie}! {Lance}! {Minnesota Ronin}! {Redstateredneck}! {UFO TOFU}! {USMC RECON}! {Peacekeeper}! {CtheP}! {Beach Lover}! {Obi-wan; RIP}
Oh so many more I’m missing.
And watching Occasional Reader, PK and Dirk Diggler pulling stuff outta nowhere that always cracked me up.
Those were tha daaays.
@ wolfie:
They lost me with the christian attacks, you could see the incremental steps month by month. Not that I posted much, but I was there from almost the beginning. I never did like the one upmansship games played there and hope it is left behind. The linkviewer was probably the most valuable item there. The comments like most blogs, derail themselves and devolved into various forms of gotcha or fun and games. Here we have a chance to move forward, and use the notice we are given,to put forth the issues important to society today and give more than just an “I agree”. Let’s do our new Icons proud. Go 2.0
@ Lily:
Well We are planning it for next March April. Location in Vegas will be by email only.
@ jakee308:
Just search for “aisha”. It should bring all of them up. Saving screen shots would probably be laborious, but if you could just cut and paste the text into a word doc, we could sort out the formatting later.
@ jakee308:
We don’t allow any of those here.
@ m:
\It’s so funny Killgore Trout convinced people I was a Leftist becasue I was anti-Bush. I disliked Bush becasue I viewed him as a Leftists.
Now Killgore is Maoist Left and it turns out, I was a Rightwinger the whole time. I feel vindicated.
I remember the night I registered at LGF. I was giddy. Then I saw the change coming ever so slowly and I found this site. I read about all the bannings. When Mama Winger was banned that was it for me. Does anyone know what happened to her. And Ed Mamoud or something like that. The weather guy! .I do see familiar nics here
@ Rodan:
Will it be to all members? I haven’t gotten an e-mail.
@ Rodan:
Maoist-Mussolinist…
@ ainteasybeinggreen:
Ed is here.
@ ainteasybeinggreen 52 :
I was already gone, but if I hadn’t been- The mama winger incident would have put me over the edge.
I can’t believe cj treated her the way he did. It was shocking. And it was most shocking to me that it didn’t open more eyes.
Well let me be the first to say that I thoroughly enjoyed 1.0 in its hey day. I looked forward each day to logging to entertain the company of like minded and kindred spirits who shared my opinions where it came to the struggle against Islamofacism and other political stuff.
I can recount many good times discoursing with many people whose nics are no longer there, and even got hat tips from Cj from time to time. When I was banned I had no regret nor remorse from the unreasonable overstay as seen through the eyes of Charles, but looked at it as a great run having been one that had many readers. It was a great time, and although missed it is not a thing I languish over.
But things began to change over at 1.0, and I decided I would not sit idle as many before me were banned for just speaking the truth. So I decided to face Charles with one simple innocuous question in an open thread where he brought his anti-creationist spiel to hunt out those who may disagree. Do you believe in God? He was ready for me, and instead of answering the question decided I was not worthy of any answer.
I wrote the following here on 20 July, 2008, when this blog was just beginning.
I was a long time poster at LGF – over 4 years – and well known there, but no more. And Barry Wom was not my nic there.
I think it’s fairly obvious Charles is consistently, and rather transparently, ridiculing people of faith. He claims this is not the case, that he is merely bringing science to his blog. If that were the case then there would be other science stories. Instead we see post after post that suggests if one has faith in a creator then you are stupid.
He has driven away many fine minds and writers who are fed up with his incessant in your face degradation of those who believe in a Creator. What is even more troubling are those who fawn over him when rather they should be exposing his weakly veiled bias. If he continues this course you can be sure all that will be left there are lap dogs in a useless echo chamber.
What a shame to think at one time I respected this man. He will get what he deserves and soon enough.
@ m:
But you’d already had it, and ripped who was that again? Sharm?
@ m:
We all reached epiphany at our own pace, I guess….
Bummer for me and my old browser – black blog with charcoal-gray text.
Can’t read this – I’ll wait awhile until the changes are done.
Don’t sweat it – just ’cause I’m a Luddite doesn’t mean the world has to change for me.
Heh. Somehow I think it would be “bad craziness” if someone like Sarah Palin prayed for a person’s death, as Charles was doing. Of course, I agree with his earlier wishes.
Cool redesign, btw, though I’d prefer a thinner sidebar and wider comment area.
@ m:
The mamawinger was the tipping point. She did nothing wrong and he treated her like trash. And before that kkkilgore trout did the same thing…opinined her greatly with his trashing of all things in the name of God. She was a sweet and decent poster.
I think Charles is angry cuz no one will pledge allegiance to him.
@ m:
Me too, too. (ha, intended, so don’t beat me with the grammar stick) I had many good times there. It used to be a great place to hang out.
snork wrote:
That was my final goodbye :}
I had been gone a year and a half at that point, I had to start all over!
Hey, I told him if he had a “delete this account” option it would save a lot of the drama.
@ snork:
That would be a daunting task if you wanted the entire comment. the search page only shows a portion of the full comment. At least that’s my recollection. You’d have to click on each comment in the list to see the full comment. that would take a LOT of time.
Awww Memories!!!!!!!!!!!
@ m:
Can you describe briefly what happened with mama winger?
I remember mama winger but not the incident itself.
Thanks.
sorry spelling mistake….
kt offended her
@ song_and_dance_man:
He does dabble in science outside of the creation business. That’s my issue: he dabbles in something he doesn’t understand. He might as well try to have deep biblical discussions based on his paper-thin understanding of the bible.
And he’s emphatic. If you are out of your depth, stay out of it. We have too many dilettantes in the media as it is; we don’t need dabblers in blogging.
@ Lily:
Yes all members. No email has been set yet. There will be a thread where we will announce the email. It will be in January.
@ m:
Aisha was a hoot. I just may ask her to make an appearance here, just for old times sake.
@ cane_loader:
Cane_Loader, shoot an email to the blogmocracy @ gmail account and I’ll get your specifics. We want you to be able to see all the good stuff and post with us when you can!
Cane_Loader, shoot an email to the blogmocracy @ gmail account and I’ll get your specifics. We want you to be able to see all the good stuff and post with us when you can! (in white text in case you can see that better, maybe- hopefully
@ Eliana:
First Charles banned her for posting at Gagdad Bob’s site (and she was actually defending lizards against the names they were being called), and then “relented” and let her back in…
Only to ban her again when she said she was a friend of Song & Dance Man’s after he was banned! Mama Winger! She was never hateful to anyone! After that, Charles talked like she was just awful. It was nutz.
@ song_and_dance_man:
her comments are still in archive.
You have written so eloquently about how I felt about LGF. And another thing I just noticed- I had to go back one last time: CJ rarely posted back in the good old days. Now he posts or threatens constantly. Really sad when you think of the demise.
@ Eliana:
Mama Winger defended cj on another blog. Then she e-mailed him to say she had defended him and he let her back in. Some posters were trashing song and dance man …. and she said that he was her friend.
Quickly banned and he trashed her name too.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Aisha was great! I remember seeing Aisha wander in once in awhile when there weren’t too many people around and some newbies were flabbergasted that the regular people were falling all over the place in stitches.
@ jakee308:
I don’t remember how the search works, but you are probably right. I don’t know if there’s a short cut way to get everything. I don’t remember how many comments Aisha made, but you’re probably right that that would be laborious.
But S&DM knows Mama Winger chronology better. I was gone and saw copy/pastes at other places.
@ Lily:
Oh – thanks!
@ Rodan:
Thanks Rodan….I might just go! If I get well by then….
crossing fingers.
@ Eliana:
I can remember a few people who didn’t get the deal with Iowahawk, either.
@ Eliana:
You are so much welcomed!
Charles is Far Progressive Left. He never attacks Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro. He obviously supports them.
@ m:
Thanks!
Goodnight all!
Here’s one last… thanks Charles! You helped me meet some wonderful people and your commenters gave me some good times and a whole lotta learnin’.
Too bad you turned into kos.
@ m:
Yeah that’s why I did a Thank you to Charles last week. We really do owe him.
Goodnight, m. I’m out, too.
Don’t break the new toy, night shift…
Xeon wrote:
My first best night over there was when I took on two trolls who had all the big words but couldn’t use them to formulate a sound argument.
I argued with them and won but the thread ended up as a mish mash of quotes from me and the antagonists. The next day Cj commented in surprise the thread we had engaged in had gone over 200 posts and I was advised by the regulars at the time that I needed to use better formatting skills. Heh. I was a novice at the time and had only been there for a month or so.
ainteasybeinggreen wrote:
I made a post about this a few days ago. yes I really did read all the comments over there for a whole day and CFnJ posted a total of just FIVE. The five comments he posted on threads were just bits of nothing and fluff.
He has finally got the hint I think. He is NOT posting anywhere near as mant “comments” as he was.
It was him that was ruining the blog.
jakee308 wrote:
Don’t try to look for my comments, nor savages. We both have the distinction of having all of our posts deleted.
@ Rodan:
Yep, we were the first to bash, or rather criticize Bush on that site.
One more item:
Chicago Property Taxes Increase 9.6%; Obama’s Property Tax Increases 1.0%
Night everyone…loved the chat with everyone! Sweet dreams to all!
cane_loader wrote:
I gave up on amber screens back the the late 80’s.
/
Good night all, it’s late on the east coast.
@ Lily:
For the record, mamawinger was banned because she told Cj I was her friend.
Oh, and while we are on the subject of searching at LGF. Be aware, Charles (the asshole who has no life) monitors what people search on at his empire.
I lost a sock because I searched on a specific word. LMAO I got the info I wanted but as I said I was stealth banned because of that search.
If you are searching wit a disposable sock, then do it after Chuckie goes to bed, you have a few hours to collect all you can.
@ snork:
I dabble in many things, but when confronted by one who can hand me my dabble hat, I, like most, can bow move back and give place to the greater knowledge of another. Most of us are like that.
That is not the case of the Racist Detective. He has nominal knowledge about a host of things that he grips with kitchen table mitts and is convinced of greater knowledge from his bathroom library.
@ snork:
I was lurking on the sekrit thread. According to Charles, Iowahawk delinked LGF and then lurked on that thread to watch the reaction. But who can believe Charles?
@ Moe Katz:
CJ makes and bottles “Upshit”. But then he’s not a conservative.
A nitpick: The reply function should reference the poster AND #, not @ postername. The quote function should also reference the comment #.
A kudo: I do like the fact that avatars are large enough to be easily readable/viewable without an electron microscope.
@ RickZ:
I do like the fact that avatars are large enough to be easily readable/viewable without an electron microscope
TEM or SEM?
@ Moe Katz:
The paranoia good luck coin has only two tails.
Song, There was someone else on that thread that stood up for you. The thread where mama was banned for good. I can’t remember his nic now. RLM? RWM? He was banned instantly.
It was a short,innocuous comment, too. Nothing combative or argumentative. I am ashamed to say that the rest of us kept our mouthes shut.
I wish I could remember his nic. He deserves to be remembered.
@ Bunk X:
Shouldn’t that be “Upchuck?”
@ wolfie:
Most of us collaborated with Staasi before the wall fell.
@ Moe Katz:
Yes we did.
The Old Revolution – Leonard Cohen
E A E B E A
I finally broke into the prison, I found my place in the chain.
E A A7 E
Even damnation is poisoned with rainbows,
E7 A
all the brave young men they’re waiting now to see a signal
F#m B B7
which some killer will be lighting for pay.
chorus:
A E A
Into this furnace I ask you now to venture,
E B A E
you whom I cannot betray.
additional lyrics:
I fought in the old revolution on the side of the ghost and the King.
Of course I was very young and I thought that we were winning;
I can’t pretend I still feel very much like singing
as they carry the bodies away.
chorus
Lately you’ve started to stutter as though you had nothing to say.
To all of my architects let me be traitor.
Now let me say I myself gave the order
to sleep and to search and to destroy.
chorus
Yes, you who are broken by power, you who are absent all day,
you who are kings for the sake of your children’s story,
the hand of your beggar is burdened down with money,
the hand of your lover is clay.
chorus
@ wolfie:
We did indeed.
@ wolfie:
The only nic I can suggest is RTML.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Hmm. Amber Screens. 40dd’s with a 22-inch waist, right?
Hey guys, I trust we are all doing well tonight.
@ wolfie:
No. He definitely makes “Upshit.”
Yes. I thank CJ for giving me the chance to learn some things about myself at this semi-advanced age, even if what I learned wasn’t very pretty.
@ song_and_dance_man:
That’s it!
Thanks.
RickZ wrote:
I thought the same way until I realized that:
1. you can GO to the comment directly using the hyperlink so you don’t NEED the comment number.
2. you can use your back button to return to the post where the commenter’s link appeared. that way you can continue to go through the thread if you’re trying to catch up.
See how that works? it’s actually much easier than go back to a previous comment mentioned in someone else’s comment whilst trying to catch up on a thread.
AND you can post comments as you go and not lose your place in the thread.
I LIKE IT!!!
@ Eliana:
Hey Eliana, I did not know of Eisha until about three months before I was banned. I will never forget the first post of hers that I read. I was totally unaware that it was parody. I thought that Charles had gone off of his rocker and was allowing Islamofacisist to take over his site. She had made a post that ran forever describing why homosexuality was the fault of the jews. I was pissed and reported her comments and down-dingded them. LOL, then a couple of days later I saw her post again and realized that it was all a joke. I had to go back and correct my dings. She was amazing.
I love Leonard Cohen.
This is not necessarily a good thing!
m wrote:
Too bad you turned into
kosKin Jung Il.http://www.quantcast.com/littlegreenfootballs.com
He’s at record lows again for posters and pages served. No end-of-month spike.
@ Bunk X:
ha. Amber Screens would be a fitting name for a stripper or band.
@ wolfie:
He has a certain power over the fair sex, I have noted….
jakee308 wrote:
1. you can GO to the comment directly using the hyperlink so you don’t NEED the comment number.
2. you can use your back button to return to the post where the commenter’s link appeared. that way you can continue to go through the thread if you’re trying to catch up.
See how that works? it’s actually much easier than go back to a previous comment mentioned in someone else’s comment whilst trying to catch up on a thread.
I tried it and that does seem to do the trick. Thank you.
@ Moe Katz:
He is like a big turd circling the bowl. He doesn’t want to go down, but he will.
@ linoleumknife:
Yeah, I saw this happen more than once!
I remember when the Aisha comments first started – I think everyone was kind of asking “What’s going on?” (and Aisha started out somewhat gentle, as I recall).
Then things got hilarious as Aisha picked up steam.
Test
RickZ wrote:
Test
@ Moe Katz:
TEM or SEM?
I used to know which was which. I counted a lot of asbestos fibers in those days.
@ Eliana:
It would be great to get her over here. I was only exposed to her on three different occasions, but they were awesome. Of course, it took a little bit to get used to her. Well worth it though.
Aisha was the alter-ego of a poster named Dave, or David, a lawyer from Australia.
@ linoleumknife:
@ RickZ:
I was just thinking about how CJ would react to your avatar. You spittle-spewing, shrieking wingnut!
Then I realized at 1.0 it would just be a b&w blob. You could get away with it for ages!
For anyone who wants to know….
Aisha is NOT a female, it’s a guy down in Australia named Dave.
@ Moe Katz:
Heh, that’s the general idea. LOL, how are doing Moe?
linoleumknife wrote:
@ linoleumknife:
It would be fun to see Aisha come along to give us another lesson on what’s “haram” (forbidden in Islam).
@ savage:
Can also be seen on JW.
@ linoleumknife:
Oh, I’m feeling flush, as they say :0)
@ RickZ:
aussie dave, I think.
Did he do Hugo Chavez too? He was a hoot!
@ Eliana:
It was alot of fun. I love snarky people, and parodies. They can be such a fun way to tear into b.s.
@ Moe Katz:
LOL, I like your avatar. Garfield is a hoot.
Chili Chowder anyone?
http://www.sunrisesilents.com/recipes_LupeVelez.html
@ savage:
Since we’re supposed to remember some of the good things, I remember how much fun it was on the night threads when you came on.
Hey savage! Where’ve you been? Where are you? etc etc
And then you’d give us all news of your travels.
DANG! I just checked out the link from the 2008 presidential debate — contrasting that 1.0 with the mutation we see today — a seriously sad thing. Everything that made it a lively, open, informative and entertaining blog is gone — it’s been turned into a haunted, life denying, light denying echo chamber.
wolfie wrote:
I hate to break the news to you, Wolfie, but I’m not spittle-spewing, I just drool now. Shrieking takes too much energy, and ruins the drool. A wingnut I accept being called, except I was a NYRangers fan, although Detroit was the first NHL team I saw live as a kid, playing against their local farm team.
As for the avatar, that’s a rayra special, and I stole it from him. Now rayra is a blast from the past you may not know. He coined the term ‘Nancy’ in describing Chucky. One of the early banned, in what is lovingly referred to as the Friday Night Purge (might have been on a FNDT). But there have been so many purges since, they all kind of run together. I also find the stealth bannings pretty hilarious. The main difference between the two is that with a banning, as opposed to a stealth one, the commenter gets trashed by everybody, starting with Chucky. With a stealth one, they are ‘disappeared’, and usually someone comments a month or two later with a ‘Whatever happend to ___?’, followed by hushed murmers.
Strange de-evolution over there, that’s for sure.
@ linoleumknife:
http://www.garfieldasgarfield.com/
@ wolfie:
LOL! Yeah, that was fun. I remember giving everyone a geography lesson, along with weather reports and the like.
Aisha the poster has more brain than can be added up with what is left at 1.0.
@ Moe Katz:
LOL, that is awesome. It fits so well.
wolfie wrote:
I think Aussie Dave was a different poster, and it would have been ‘David’. I could be wrong, as I make no claims to the stability of my cerebral synaptic pathways, including the memory stored in my cerebral cortex.
@ song_and_dance_man:
Sir, even if I wanted to argue against that statement, I couldn’t. It is really sad how far down the rabbit hole they have gone. Like a bad acid trip with Jimmy Hendrix.
@ linoleumknife:
Bad acid trips with Hendrix at least produced some fine riffing, which is more than CJ can say for himself.
@ Eliana:
Got a cut-n-paste trackback link on Aisha?
Meanwhile, here’s Frank Zappa on lead vocal, backup vocals, drums and piano, just for fun.
@ least:
The blog of the haunts.
@ Moe Katz:
Yeah, that dude should probably just go back to playing his guitar. Oh, by the way I messed up. It’s Jimi. Doh!
@ RickZ:
Yeah. It finally got to the point where no one dared ask where so-and-so was.
I came onto LGF right after the Friday Night Purge, so I had no idea what the story was.
@ Bunk X:
Nope. Wish I did!
@ Eliana:
You got my curiosity. Very few clever folks over there anymore, and they’re too scared to talk.
I missed out on Aisha. Fill us in, por favor.
The last Aisha post that I saw was over a month ago. Right before I pissed off the gerbils. It had been a long time since her last. SO long that Weazy and Jimmah weren’t aware of her special nature. It was good and funny till someone let peanut boy know the scoop.
This site looks very good! My compliments to designer(s).
Bunk X wrote:
Aisha was an accepted sock of an Australian poster mocking pisslam from a female’s perspective. Some posts were funny, but it was a hit or miss type of thing. Definitely not Iowahawk level, but not bad.
@ Moe Katz:
Today was the first day ever that I noticed that 2.0 had more comments posted than 1.0, Actually by quite a bit. I really think this is tipping point. CJ has been exposed as an imposter and the real spirit of the original LGF is right here.
Am realy digging the new look to the site. Just testing the new gravatar.
Oh yeah…F Johnson
@ Bunk X:
This in one strange Zappa vid
httpv://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/music/watch/v222581RSeZNd3K
@ Bunk X:
Aisha is hard to describe without having the Aisha posts handy, but the idea was that Aisha was a Muslim woman who was always on a mild to medium snit about things going on that are “haram” (forbidden in Islam) or other such concerns.
In the course of this mild to medium snit, Aisha’s turn of phrase was very funny. The guy who did Aisha didn’t use spelling to show an accent or anything, but the choice of words made an accent imaginable.
As I recall Aisha, a lot of the posts had double intendres that seemed to come from someone who didn’t know they were double intendres (if you know what I mean).
It was all done in perfect seriousness without a clue that it was a joke or a parody. The writing was extremely clever, too!!!
I wish I could remember more, but what I recall is that people were a bit confused about Aisha at first but then figured out that it was a parody (and who was doing it). Definitely a guy from Australia.
After that, people would totally crack up just to see Aisha’s name. Then we’d watch Aisha perform in the thread. He didn’t write that many posts or anything, but each one was funny in the Aisha way.
Well that didn’t work.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20091101Ocean.jpg
Those two small children are naked.
Charles Johnson is a stalker and a photographer of naked kids.
How do I do the Avatar, thing?
Test test…
BatGuano….go to gravatar.com and watch video
@ RickZ:
I would agree with this.
Sometimes, I think everyone cracked up just to see the name “Aisha” (because of past funny Aisha posts).
Not Iowahawk level, but few people were ever as funny as Iowahawk.
test
@ RickZ:
Iowahawk is in a league by himself.
I just finished a bit of webmining for Aisha via the googlage and came up with an ex-LGF’r named “Macker.” He’s watching late night commentary here, too:
http://mackers-world.com/index.php/weblog/comments/latest_anti-lfg_joke/
I’m honored, Macker. Drop in, say howdy.
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By the way, the new look and functionality are great. This has taken 2.0 to an entirely new level. Kudos to everyone who made it happen.
@ song_and_dance_man:
“City of Tiny Lights” was the flip side of “Baby Snakes” on a picture disc I think. Although your video didn’t link here, it’s viewable on teh Utoobage. Too late to toss musical frisbees around for me tonight.
@ Eliana:
That description alone makes me an Aisha fan!
@ BatGuano:
Hey, Bat! Go to your profile and upload a .jpg.
@ Eliana:
I somtimes think ‘Aisha’ tried too hard, while Iowahawk read much more easily. David Burge has blossomed, making a blogoshpere name for himself in a good way. I believe Iowahawk was banned at 1.0 because of a post about ‘T Coddington Van Voorhees VII’, giving his ketch the name, Nancy. Everyone knows Chucky has no sense of humor whatsoever. The self-deprecating kind is the most hated — and unknown — of all. Chucky takes himself so seriously he becomes a parody of himself all by himself.
Hey, nice pad. I remember the 2004 election at the old place. I listened to Glenn Beck on another link and posted… Never knew CJ would change like he did. Actually, it has worked out for the best. He is no longer a factor, for anything.
@ Bunk X:
I don’t know what happened but I think I got it!
Thanks danrudy and Bunk
@ BatGuano:
Um. I think I liked it the way it was before.
Gunite, folks.
I think you’re a deviated prevert.
@ snork:
If you’re running Windows – just open up ‘Paint’ and then hit Ctrl+Alt+Print Scrn. Paste in ‘Paint’ and you have a perfect, clear as a bell (WTF does that mean anyhow ?) screenshot. Save in your fav format jpg, bitmap etc. Really as simple as ‘copy/paste’ and it has that ‘real deal’ feel to it. No accidental loss of text etc. No way around a screen shot (unless you’re into ‘photoshopping’ and all that.
“Photoshopping” ? WTF ?
“Honey, where are you going ?”
“I’ll be back soon dear, just going to do little photoshopping – then over to Home Depot. Need any photos ?”
“No thank you, I’m all set. Hurry back though – the Hendersons will be here at 7″.
/conversation never heard by anyone – using a word that would never be used by anyone. But me. I’ll grow on you – eventually.
@ Bunk X:
Gunite, Bunk.
@ Bunk X:
G’night!
John Adams is center foreground (below) with his hand on his hip. I know nobody asked but his birthday was October, 30th.
@ Eliana:
But Wait! There’s more!
HYPOCRACY ALERT: ANTI AGW ARGUMENTS FROM LGF 27 JULY 2008
Pass it on…
Bunk X wrote:
no, no…since he has read a book about Jimmy Hansen and how he was traced by the Bush government his mind has changed. completly. for ever.
his new science hero is a cartoonist with a high school degree.
yep, that he is.
Hey Bat, if you don’t mind me asking, who is that in your avatar?
Refugee wrote:
I think that if you include the other blogs that people vacated to, it’d be a LOT more than post over there.
/waves to everyone
@ linoleumknife:
That looks like Keenan Wynn.
At this time, there are 21 comments on the 1.0 overnight thread.
@ savage:
Morning Savage
@ savage:
Oh, I had to wiki him. I’m not well versed when it comes to actors.
Bunk X wrote:
Interesting thread. I have observed and wondered how selrahC went from a mildy anti-AGW stance to a full blown pro-AGW one. And the answer to that seems to me comes from the ramblings of Professor Ludwig constantly blowing in his ear.
In this thread alone, the professor has made some 40 posts over a 24 hour period. Pushing the evidence, data, and peer review schtick as hard as he can.
First one (#160) at Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:15:32pm.
Last one (#265) at Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:49:31pm.
And I noticed that his userid is both “LudwigVanQuixote” with capitals, and “ludwigvanquixote” without capitals. Not sure what that means.
Morning everyone.
Good morning.
@ RIX:
Morning RIX
Good morning Rix, and Rightside. Hope y’all are doing well.
@ Rightside:
@ linoleumknife:
Doing well & hope that you both are too.
2soonold2latesmart wrote:
IIRC not much. The user name’s over at lgf 0.1 are not case sensitive.
@ linoleumknife:
Good Monday morning to you! Doing fine here.
Charles has another ‘Overnight Ocean” thread up.
Just wondering if ot ever occured to him that he could turn around & get a mountains shot.
@ RIX:
@ Rightside:
@ linoleumknife:
@ Da_Beerfreak:
Mornin’ all! First morning at freezing (32) here in da burgh’!
Hope everything is well with all.
@ RIX:
Then he would be facing Right.
@ Bumr50:
Hey Bumr50
freetoken
Mon, Nov 2, 2009 1:31:37am Ultimately I believe it will be shown that so much of what has passed as “conservatism” in these days is nothing more than fear masked by hypertrophied militarism
OK, nothing cnvoluted about that logic. Absolutely no foundation for this comment, but never mind it just fits the mindset at the Swamp.
Bumr50 wrote:
Ok, now you have me confused, the Coast has some twists.
As an example in Huntington Beach if you look out to sea, the mountains are behind you, but in LA it is over to the right?
@ RIX:
and that is why, at this time, there are 22 comments on the lgf 1.0 overnight.
@ RIX:
It’s obvious that the Left (including CJ) are trying to paint any opposition as extremist paranoia and hate.
It’s only going to get worse, which is why we need to do a better job of getting our message out even though it’s not in our nature.
I don’t even like saying “our,” because it’s presumptuous in my book.
@ RIX:
I’m sorry! I was being general and tongue-in-cheek.
Here in Pittsburgh, I’m pretty close to Erie, PA and they’ve got some beautiful sunsets up there due to the fact that they face west.
I’ve never even seen the Pacific.
@ yellow flag:
@ Bumr50:
Have you noticed that in the Age of Obama dissent is no longer considered patriotic & “speaking truth to power”?
Disagreement is now considered being obsructionist & to point out flip flops is just hateful.
Bumr50 wrote:
Hey bro, nothing to apologize for, this is not thet other place.
Actually whether you meant it or not, the SoCal Coast does twist & the mountains can be off to the right.
@ RIX:
And it’s ok for the newsman to call me a “teabagger.”
Even I didn’t see that coming.
Bumr50 wrote:
Yeah I heard John King use that term on CNN yesterday. It is an insult & noone called him on it.
If you are going to the Tea Parties, thank you.
It looks to me like the Tea Parties & Town Halls started Obama’s erosion.
@ RIX:
I understand, it’s cool. No worries.
I was reading a good piece over at the Thinker on Glenn Beck.
Good morning, y’all.
Although I have no definitive proof, I still think the current Charles is not the same person as the original Charles.
@ Bumr50:
I really only got interested in Beck because CJ’s whining about him got me curious.
I don’t know that I am crazy about Beck’s style but he seems to have courage & he values the truth. Charles posted Beck’s smack down of him which was world class. I figured this guy Beck has got something.
Heh. I pulled this link from M.Malkin.
The other NEA has got to be kidding, right?
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
Mornin’ goddess!
Is that your kitty?
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
{goddess}
WoW! This place is really nice!
/are we allowed to touch?
@ Bumr50:
{Bumr50}
No, it’s not my kitteh–just a cute image I thought was appropriate for me!
goddessoftheclassroom wrote:
Good morning Goddess. I would like to believe that, but sadly i believe that this is THE Charles.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
Good morning Goddess!
And I still agree with you on that.
@ RIX:
Chuckles have a mental breakdown? Or did he stop getting invited to the ‘C’ list Hollyweird parties and end up with other has-beens at the kiddie table?
The USS New York comes to New York City today for commissioning on 11/7.
The Naval ship is constructed of salvaged steel from the Twin Towers.
@ RIX:
The bittersweet memories of the sea.
mfhorn wrote:
I have never witnessed anyone transform so quickly & completely.
He also is now as mean as a snake. There is something very wrong going on.
@ RIX:
Sigh. I wish there were a way to prove it. I can’t help but think if this person IS Charles, something is terribly wrong.
Rightside wrote:
I’ll bet. They kept me on the land.
@ RIX:
LOL.
Although, throughout history, there’s always been tales of the romanticism of the sea.
Rightside wrote:
Exactly, that is the whole idea of getting to lands end.
There is a feeling that getting to the sea will make things right.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
It’s a wonderfully suited avatar based on your commentary and dialogue!
Perhaps Charles found that he had lost personal friends based on his newly stoked conservative ideology and it became too much to handle.
I can appreciate that it’s frightfully hard to be a conservative and express your feelings among the ‘artsy’ crowd. It’s no excuse, but perhaps a reason.
@ RIX:
And she can be a cruel Mistress.
“Course, captain?”
“Out there.”
@ Rightside:
“Because if anything’s gonna happen…”
Rightside wrote:
Yeah, but if it wasn’t for the Sea we would never have “Talk Like A Pirate Day.” Yarrr Matey.
@ RIX:
It’s a conspiracy! They took that steel to build the ship before anyone could prove explosives brought the Twin Towers down. It’s BUSH! FIRE NEVER MELTED STEEL BEFORE!
//
@ RIX:
Woe betide any swab who tries to swipe my swag! Shiver me timbers!
@ mfhorn:
That’s probably it. Cheney & Rove snuck the steel out.
@ Rightside:
Yarrr Jim, Jim Arkins. Yarrr be good boy Jim, give ol Long John the map Jim.
Got to run–have a great day, y’all!
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
Bye, goddess! Let em’ have it!
Greetings all.
Savage, I like the new site.
There was a time when Charles would have high lighted this of what is intended for Buckingham Palace after England “submits” to Islam. No more.
@ RIX:
Bumr50 is a manager at Long John Silver’s.
The pirate talk gets a bit stale after a while, but fun.
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
You too, goddess.
See ya later.
RIX wrote:
@ Bumr50:
Could be worse, you could have to dress like spongebob characters…
@ African Moondog:
Morning AM
Hmmm, interesting, block quote not the same as old block quote? Please understand I am a complete html illiterate.
Good morning!
Riehl got tipped that Scozzafava’s doing robo-calls for Owens now.
Classy!
vagabond trader wrote:
Mornin’ vt!
@ vagabond trader:
morning vt
m wrote:
Globular Clusters
rememebr that guy Yair and his “globular clusters?
Too funny,
JuSt reading Charlses’s poSts from a few years go,I am still amazed at the complete left-wing turn he has made. The Charles of 2003 would not bother with a daily rant against a Glenn Beck – not when there are deadly serious people out there who want to killus.
@ Rightside:
Morning Rightside.
Bumr50 wrote:
She also received calls from various high placed Dem apparatchiks.Imagine that.
Well, this is something different to worry about!
Speranza wrote:
That image of Buckingham Palace that I posted earlier is not a spoof It comes from a site called http://www.islam4uk.com . I expect that there is an American equivalent showing minarets around the capitol which already has a dome.
Mornion’ ya’all
AM
Linky no worky
Hey, anyone recall the Michele/Wookie kerfluffle? Guess who was at the WH on Halloween? Wonder who the raaaaacist was behind all that hair,lol.
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/first-lady-Michelle-Obama-President-Barack-Obama/photo//091031/480/5dde83335706464ebfec3b24076a5421//s:/ap/20091101/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obamas_halloween
@ Bumr50:
Charles is delighted that that Scozzofava has endorsed Owen. He has a thread up. Socons are the greatest threat facing the world don’t you know.
AM
R u sure u have the right URL?
African Moondog wrote:
Yes,love of family,country, personal integrity,honor, such tiresome obsolete notions to people like selrahC.
@ BenZacharia:
Hey Ben, I couldn’t see that pic either, would never load.
HELP! Can anyone instruct me in very simple terms how to compress my links? Whenever I hit the link option an idiotic Vista box pops up and won’t let me do anything but type the url. Some of them are pretty long,is there a shortcut?
Thanks
@ vagabond trader:
What’s really disgusting is that I’d bet no one has any idea what platform Owen is running on.
Guilt,Liberal,not that smart =’s the new disproved lgf’s .0000001
iceweasle is Charles
@ vagabond trader:
This is going to sound dumb probably, so please don’t hit me.
I use copy and paste.
@ vagabond trader:
Yes, simply click on the URL in the address bar, and press ctrl-c to copy, then click in the “idiot Vista box” and press ctrl-v to paste the URL in.
@ Bumr50:
Yes, I do too, but how does a long url appear with only a few words like you did in #255?
Good morning, and kudos again on the new look & feel. Appearance is always secondary to content for me, and this place was just fine as “2.0, 1.0″. But the new “2.0, 2.0″ is very, very cool.
Regarding the thread topic: I loved Cox and Forkham, and looked forward to their latest treatment of moonbattery. Their longstanding logo for the site was spot on, and when Johnless Narc Ho removed it, that was like the formal lowering of the flag.
And that, to me, was symptomatic of a deeper underlying disease: it was bad enough that the place did an inexplicable reversal of its politics. But the fact that it also completely lost its sense of humor indicated that the disease was terminal. 1.0 is dead; long live 2.0.
(And I applaud the attempt to corral these discussions into targeted threads. I’ve checked out CC, and found that its “No Little Green Fubars” discussion policy makes the place bland. These discussions are cathartic, but confining them to specific threads is healthy. Kudos again, for a common sense approach.)
Off to earn a pay check.
@ Rightside:
Thanks, will try that.I are still learning new tricks!
@ vagabond trader:
Highlight the text that you would like to make your link work before you click on the link button.
@ vagabond trader:
It’s ok. After you paste the URL into the Vista box, click ok, then type the text you want the link to be (the short text)then click the link button again, and it will close the tag for you.
Then, your post with contain the link (the few short words) and take them to the page you want.
@ tommy torquemada:
Someone pointed out last week that the LGF Dictionary has vanished down the memory hole. Yes I enjoyed too the latest evidence of moonbattery – come to think of it he does not even use the term “moonbat” anymore, but he sure loves “wingnut”.
testing
@ BenZacharia:
Is that not freaking amazing! They pull the plug on the links moments after I posted. I first stumbled across the sites in Mark Steyn’s “Sharia can wait” and possibly that is why they pull the plug. Fuck! I should have photobucketed the thing!
Sper…
Chen… has the dictionary, nice and safe
@ vagabond trader:
Ur on the right track!
BenZacharia wrote:
Yes I know. It is funny though how LGF has gotten rid of its own dictionary that people such as myself (and many others) actually worked on (In the”many thanks to” on the dedication – I am there).
@ vagabond trader:
That’s how you do it, just place a real URL in there now.
Thanks rightside, one more test and I’ll give the board a rest!
Lockerbie bomber going home
AM
Sumbody was monitoring and saw unusual traffic and hit the panic button
@ vagabond trader:
Sigh, I’m doing sumpin wrong, will wait for my slightly less tech challenged spouse to get home and spend three hours figuring it all out.
@ vagabond trader:
I think I mislead you, Bumr is right, copy the URL before you click on the link button. Then press ctrl-v on your keyboard to paste said URL into the “idiot Vista box”, then click ok.
@ Rightside:
Also highlight the selected text before you click on “link”, then paste your copied URL into the box that appears.
@ Rightside:
You know it is a federal crime to confuse the elderly?
@ vagabond trader:
It appears that for some reason “ctrl-v” is appearing after “http://” rather than the link that you copied.
Make sure you’re hitting the buttons “Ctrl” and “C” when you copy the link, and then “Ctrl” and “V” when you paste.
That’s my last tip. I understand your frustration!
@ Bumr50:
Yes, I realize I didn’t explain that as well as I should have, my regret.
@ vagabond trader:
lol, my apologies for not being clear enough. We’ll get you through it.
@ vagabond trader:
Arrest Obama!
@ Speranza:
Still here:
Zombie’s
PDF here:
Vanderlun’s
@ Bumr50:
LOL, thats the ticket!He promised to make my interwebs easy and free!
Thanks guys,we’ll try it out again later, maybe on the ONDT.I’ve wasted enough bandwidth and there is the pride thing.
@ vagabond trader:
I was thinking more healthcare. You know, how it’s not going to change and all?
Tell that to the Medicare Advantage seniors.
Dude is anorexic.I’ve suspected this for over a year, this confirms it.Unusual in a male but he does have daddy and control issues.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flashbb.htm
goddessoftheclassroom wrote:
Maybe. As I’ve said before, ‘The Dread Pirate Roberts’ theory of blogging.
@ Bumr50:
I also figured as much, that and his probable paranoia about what the waiters in West LA were doing to the plates they served him. I said as much in my second to last post; in a very subtle but still explicit way.
One thing I’m curious about from the old days.
Did anyone receive an obsessive amount of private emails from NYnana?
She was known at other blogs to stir up a lot of shit behind the scenes and bombard others with emails as well as attempt to collect phone numbers. A friend of mine were so happy to find a blog that she wasn’t at and sure enough about a year later she popped up at lgf. I heard of just one stunt she pulled that concerned one of the bloggers there who had serious health problems and did something rather sick on his behalf… just don’t recall those details.
teacake,
I, too, heard stories of NYninny’s email BS, saying one thing on them, and another on a blog post. Glad I never had any emails from her. From what I discerned, calling her two-faced is being very polite.
@ RickZ:
She was psycho and a really mean and cleaver one at that. I had the unfortunate experience of her trying to weasel her way into my privacy. She sent hundreds of emails trying to have me turn on someone she didn’t like and even instant message at all times…. after 3 or 4 of those, I uninstalled IM. She managed to have me and my friend kicked off that way old blog that not many here would know about.
Bumr50 wrote:
The whole mess is more about rage, frustration and vengeance that his new rightwing (and Jewish) friends had abandoned him and stabbed him in the back.
Don’t forget: CJ was the locomotive for (neo)-conservative bloggers. After the blogger-war had started with GoV/Atlas/Fjordman and only few of his “new friends” had supported him he became distrustful. It went on with the pro-Koeln event and the break with JW and again he was sold down the river. The decision to make ID and creationism in science classes a subject worsened everything because he as well as his opponents (or most of them) didn’t understand that the whole issue is not about what people belief (or not belief) but about separation of science and belief. Again his new friends acted like the three apes and this enraged him. He was done with his former friends and the GOP and he started a campaign of vengeance (the other McCain etc.) and he burned the bridges behind him.
Another question is how he dealt with the whole issue. CJ is a character who dichotomizes everything. There isn’t much space for gray in between. He also acts like a 5-year old child hurting himself (or his business) out of anger but children at this age will forget their anger some minutes later and go on. Not so CJ. In his fury he destroys everything for what he and his community had worked so hard only to harm his enemies. But this can’t work because he has lost a great part of his community (out of his dichotomizing) and has weakened himself. Also his second step to change the sides worsened and weakened his position because every one of his antagonists now calls him a “left-winger” and doesn’t take him serious any longer. He has disarmed himself and has become irrational in his thinking. Not the best strategy to harm your opponents.
teacake wrote:
It is statements like this that give me serious pause. It’s the innertubes, fergawdsakes. Are these people like this in meat space? Or do they get off being something they’re not, like being in a version of FantasyLand where they are the star of the show? I’ve never really understood the whole dynamics behind such behavior, but it seems far more prevelent than I care to think about. I guess caveat emptor has morphed into caveat lector/lectrix.
Guggi wrote:
Chucky started the friggin’ war!
teacake wrote:
You referring to realwest? Funny that they are both now on the same blog.
Damn, the site is looking GREAT guys (and gals.)
Keep up the outstanding work!
@ teacake:
She did that to a freind of mine and when my friend did not play her game, dropped her from her facebook page.
RickZ wrote:
CJ didn’t start the war he only pointed out that they have sided with the wrong (fascist) party. Insofar he was right and they were wrong and there is enough evidence out there for this argument.
@ RIX:
Speaking of the sea, I’ve been reading Patrick O’Brian’s epic series about the British Navy which began with “Master And Commander,” which was turned into a decent movie starring Russell Crowe. I’m about 8 books in, and it just gets better and better. I don’t want it to end, but I know it does, because O’Brien died in 2000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_and_Commander
Guggi wrote:
You’re daft. GoV is not fascist, neither is Spencer or Geller. Chucky ate too many little green footballs as a young adult, and his brain is fried.
Yes, Chucky started the war. It took RSM to fight back. Once he did, the whole righty blogosphere finally jumped all over Chucky. People like Ace, or Jawa, stayed away, but finally could ignore it no longer. Even Iowahawk took him on. Chucky was wrong from the get-go. He has no knowledge of European politics. Hell, he barely ha knowledge of American politics, much less programming.
For you to type what you did above after all this time shows you either are a CJ suckophant or just not paying attention. In either case, you are so wrong. People like Dewinter and Wilders are trying to save Europe from fascist islam, not save it for fascists of any color.
@ RickZ:
Interloper? Sharm?
@ goddessoftheclassroom:
I’ve seen two people suffer mental breakdowns in my life, a brother-in-law and a business colleague, and I’m convinced Chuckie’s had some kind of personal crisis he couldn’t handle. It’s one thing to change your mind about some political matters, and do some re-evaluating of your positions on things — I and many other former LGF’ers did so after 9/11, and in the years to follow.
It’s something else again to turn into a paranoid freak, who can’t handle ANY dissent from his personal party-line, and to employ a host of lackeys and sock-puppets to play Whack-A-Mole with any such free-thinkers on your formerly-popular blog. Bad King Charles has gone quite mad. Luckily, his only kingdom is that awful little website (”I wrote all the code myself, which is why it takes ten minutes to load!”), so he can’t hurt anyone but himself. It’s all over but the wailing and gnashing of teeth, looks like.
My favorite bit of his, before I was blocked from even viewing his website, was his deification of the greeting card writer Peter Sinclair as “The Genius Of AGW.” Too funny! Is he still featuring those raves for Sinclair’s regular Youtube releases?
@ teacake:
Clearly, RickZ is an LGF-minion, a dying breed. We should attempt to keep his line from going extinct, by setting up a preserve and trying to breed them in captivity. This is where Sharm comes in…Yikes!
Holy freekin’ COW. I go away for a few days and all is different! This is too cool for words.
But okay….can someone email the DOS Dummy on how she puts an avatar up there? Pleeeeease!?
teacake wrote:
Moron. And not the Ace kind. (I am a proud moron, hobo hunter, and drinker of Valu-Rite Vodka.)
Howdy all of the overnight thread…just saw what happened to the joint and I say kudo’s it looks great…just a small issue with the right border cutting off the first letter.
garycooper wrote:
Wrong person. Try again. Like maybe Guggi!
vagabond trader wrote:
If someone already covered this, please disregard…
VT, write out the words you want linked… then highlight them… then click the link button and put the url in. When you click ok, it will wrap the link around the words you just highlighted.
Happy Monday
Does anyone here remember Hassan (or was it Hakim?) Oh SHOOT! I have the thread saved on a different machine. Now I feel terrible! What was his name?!
He was a Pakistani apostate from Islam that took his own life?
I cried for days like I had lost a close friend, over someone I had never actually met.
It was terrible.
@ m:
m, I don’t remember his name, but I remember the story.
@ RickZ 324 :
That was just awful. I wish he could have gotten out of there a different way.
@ RickZ:
You should first read and then answer. I didn’t write that GoV/Atlas/JW are fascists but they have sided with fascists. Your immature ad hominem attacks are not a basis for discussion.
No he did not start the war. The ones who sided with fascist parties started the war denying that the parties were fascists and defending even the swastika. They damaged the anti-jihad movement to the core and no one with an ounce of decency will join the movement anymore. And belief me I have knowledge of European politics.
I have already written that CJ dealt some issues wrong respectively argued irrational at the end.
Again ad hominem attacks instead of arguments. It makes me wonder that the community here has a problem to side with Pat Buchanan (remebmer the recent posting?) but not with DeWinter who is a strong ally of Buchanan. It makes me wonder that some here have no problem with a party who’s officials are ardent supporters of David Irving or are financial supported by a rich old Nazi who distributes David Irvings Holocaust denying books for free.
Guggi wrote:
Based upon Chucky Cheese’s say so? Riiiiight.
Same can be said for your idiocy.
@ RickZ:
No, because there is enough evidence out there. Did you ever read it?
Please, can you define my “idiocy”?
@ garycooper:
I was replying to his comments to the other poster… in case that wasn’t clear.
Not suggesting he was from the other place! lol
I lack talent in the clarity dept.
@ garycooper:
Now I forget who RickZ was addressing.
I was also attpempting to be funny, but there too I seem to lack ability in that area as well.
Vintage Aisha.
@ Guggi:
I don’t believe Geller and Spencer have “sided with fascists” either. I have read them both for too long to believe they ever would.
@ Guggi 326:
Ok, again…
There was no – SIDING with Pat Buchanan. Someome posted something SPECIFIC – (that I think should have been quoted from someone else, that’s for sure) but most of the comments on that thread and the surrounding ones were slamming him.
m wrote:
Sorry to object. They have sided with the VB and the VB is a fascist party which officials have acclaimed David Irving. They wanted to side with the pro-Koeln movement and this movement is a) financial supported by an old German nazi and b) nearly all their members have a fascist/right wing extremist past. Geller as well as Spencer defended as well the VB as the pro-Koeln movement. It was disgusting.
Guggi wrote:
m,
I wrote:
I agree with you and most of the community. Therefor it makes me wonder why his ally DeWinter is supported here.
@ Guggi:
A pro Israel fascist party? Somehow I doubt that. I would not beliEve anything Chaz wrote even if he said that 2 + 8 = 10. I gave Chaz the benefit of the doubt in the beginning becasue of my gret affection for him but I regret that now and I will take Robert Spencer’s word any day of the week over his.
Oops
Guggi wrote:
First off, you said GoV, et.al., are not fascists, but support fascists. Supporting fascists makes one fascist, which makes your statement idiotic.
The second is you state ‘the evidence is out there’, like it’s a version of the X-Files. Euro politics are not our politics. For example, being a Nazi in Germany is illegal, as is being a Holocaust denier. Now here in the US, that is not the case. Do I agree with the German law? You bet your sweet bippy I do. We had to bomb the Nazi out of the Germans, and these laws make that lesson stick. Wilders wants the koran banned as book which fosters hate. Now I agree with him; the koran fosters hate. Does that make Wilders a fascist, becasuse he’s speaking plain truth, not Euro-nuanced truth? No, of course not. Europe is farther along the path of dhimmitude (Eurabia) than the US currently is. But with the increase in honor killings here, the FL ruling sending Rifqa Bary back to Ohio because ’she’s not in any danger’ shows we are not far behind. With Barry the Prevaricator in the Oval Office, things will get worse here before they have a chance to get better. The new EU consititution is not created by the people, but by the elites. The elites are cramming down their throats the whole multi-culti thing, and that includes the immigration of great muslim hordes refusing to assimilate to, or even acknowledge, the laws of their new home countries. (Just look at the dhimmitude of one of the Scandi countries, where women are being told to dress more modestly so as not to offend some neanderthal muslim and end up being raped.) We see that multi-culti approval here with Hispanic illegal immigration, mostly Mexican. Does opposing illegal immigration make me a fascist? If so, then I’m a Cross of Odin loving fascist.
But for you to decide that the ‘evidence’ proves fascists are running rampant in Europe is absurd on its face. The info came from Chucky’s website, and that in and of itself should have given you serious pause. For you to believe that standing up for one’s culture makes one fascist is ridiculous on its face. Why do you believe that standing up for one’s culture and heritage is fascsist, especially when doing so against an islam power play takeover through immigration? Are you suicidal? Do you want Europe to be suicidal? The reason the BNP is growing in the UK is because the elites are not listening to the people, just like here. Those ‘betters’ know what’s good for us and them, and people are getting fed up being fed such multi-culti BS.
I still can’t believe anybody who escaped from Chucky Cheese’s Funny Farm still believes anything he ever ‘proved’, whether it be Glowbull Warming or Fascists on every European streetcorner.
m wrote:
That waa the article that Bob in Breckinridge posted last week and we all came down on Buchanan like a ton of bricks. This is not a pro Pat Buchanan site. His anti Semitism, isolationism, are well documented.
@ Guggi:
Gotcha- I misread it as we have a problem (because) we were siding with Pat.
Nevah-evah!
But I still take Fjordman’s word over Charles’ where European politics are concerned and I always will. One is over there in the middle of it, and the other one is linking leftie sites from over there to make his points.
I don’t fully trust leftie sites here so there is no way I would fully trust leftie sites over there. Especially when they’re translated by new-comer blog posters.
I’ll go with the one in the know.
@ m:
we park our cars in the same garage!
m:
Especially when they only showed up to argue THAT specific topic (and of course, left after all the damage was done). If it was someone I had read for years (like Fjordman), maybe I would have given them more weight.
@ Speranza:
VB is NOT pro-Israel. Till 2001 they were open antisemtic. Now they masking as pro-Israel.
You don’t have to trust CJ but hopefully this source.
Go to “Extreme Right Political Parties”
btw: you and CJ are brothers in arms. You act in the same irrational way he does nowadays. “Because X said….I don’t trust”.
I add an “are”
“they are masking”
Speranza wrote:
On top of that, the vote was generally in favor of leaving the thread up, along with all the Buchanan bashing. Because even if Buchanan was right on the topic posted, like a stopped clock, he is still an asshole.
/Proud Buchanan basher on that thread.
I would think Pam Geller is smart enough to know what she is doing and she told me Charles has actually done a lot of damage in things he knows nothing about. As I recall, Pam has even met with John Bolton.
Anyhow, in my own little view of things, when it comes to being taken over by islam, somethings might need to be put aside for a while.(?)
savage wrote:
Easy now.
Colonel–”All that hate’s gonna burn you up inside boy.”
Robert— “Keeps me warm.”
“RED DAWN”
And stay away from Hind 24s.
@ teacake:
Yes, I’ll take Pam Geller, with her broad-based knowledge of politics and international affairs, over a pony-tailed musician any day, especially one that finds racists and facists everywhere.
@ m:
m,
I stopped reading Fjordman after fact checking him. He is scaremongering and cherry picking.
No one will deny that there are serious problems with Muslim immigrants in Europe. But neither Fjordman nor VB (even less the pro-Koeln-movement) have a reasonable solution. And by lumping together the very heterogeneous European Muslim communities they want find a reasonable solution for the problems.
?????
Your decision.
Carolina Girl wrote:
And one that is intellectually dishonest – see “Don’t believe your lying eyes, Obama did not bow to the Saudis and if he did, Bush did too!”
Guggi wrote:
selrahC nosnhoJ and I are not brothers-in-arms. The thought that a proud Jew like Pamela Geller (who granted can be a bit of a “look at me type”) would truck around with anti Semites, Isreal haters is absurd.
Guggi wrote:
He lives there, ferfucksake. What do you have against first hand accounts? Don’t believe them? Or don’t like what they say as it goes against your preformed, and perverted, opinions?
While your solution is to criticize and do nothing, or worse have them commuit suicide.
Prove muslim communities are heterogenous in Europe. You’re the one making the claim. For me, the call for shari’a, the call for blasphemy laws makes them pretty homogenous to me. Oh yeah, and don’t forget the whole ‘Infidel women are whores’ bit. Car-b-q’s, too.
She means you, dipstick.
Yes it is, as it is yours to remain deaf, dumb and blind. You can kill yourself, but why do you want to drag others to your self-inflicted doom?
@ Speranza:
I have to wonder from where this Guggi reject popped up, from which website did he wander over here? I know there are people this stupid, but to be still buying Chucky Cheese’s BS after all this time? Just who is this clown?
@ RickZ:
Could be a LGF mol;e. I am sick of people who know shit about European politics painting with a broad stroke. VB is pro Israel, they cannot be a fascist party if they are pro Israel.
@ RickZ: I was wondering that myself. There’s a little too much of it’s all Geller’s fault, and GoV’s fault, etc. Sounds to me like a lizard who ran over here to defend the boss.
Especially after re-writing history on the whole response to the Buchanan thread, complete with Grand Lizard talking points.
@ RickZ:
Is this similar to “Kreuzteufeleininoamal”?
Me too.
Nothing.
I’m a political scientist and it’s one of my research topics. Last week I was sitting together at a three-days-symposia with him, him, him and him (to name only a few) and I can promise you they didn’t find my opinion “perverted”. How many studies has Fj done on this topic? I was the lead author of one study and a member of the research gruop for another one.
What gave you that idea? To find solutions you have to analyse the problems locally. There is not ONE solution for all problems with Muslim immigrants in Europe. Germany e.g. faces other problems with their – mostly Turkish immigrants – than France. GB has other problems with the Pakistani than Italy with Muslims from (North-)Africa.
see above
1. I’m not lefty and 2. I didn’t translate anything. I return the dipstick with best regards.
@ Guggi:
I was talking about the (to that point) unknown blog posters that came over to translate for lizards. Ovy Stroman (or however it was spelled) and the like… (and yes, Babba says she believes everything he says but I don’t)
He decries Eurabia as a myth – While we’re seeing it happening right before our very eyes.
As far as Fjordman is concerned… I disagreed with him many times over there. He’s way more militant than I am. But I’ve never seen him outright lie.
I have seen Charles outright lie.
@ Guggi:
So you live across the pond. Are you going to sit there and tell me “fascists” are a greater threat than the muslim invasion? That “fascists” are going around burning cars, raping women, demanding they be exempted from laws, setting up their own self-imposed ghettoes? As opposed to those “peaceful” muslims who only want to hold hands and sing ‘Kumbaya’ or whatever religious ‘peace, love, and spare change’ song is sung over there? (ETA: The Internationale?)
Puhleeze. If pisslam is so peaceful, why do they have to keep beating us over the heads about it? And why do you defend them? Because by taking pot shots at Wilders, DeWinter, et.al., and you labeling them fascists, you igniore the religous fascists in your midst, and give them a free pass. We all know the reason for that. Like those honest Danish MoToons, were you to speak honestly about pisslam, well, they’d kill you. Or is Theo van Gogh really in hiding?
I stand with that Dutchman with the bad hair, Wilders, any day of the week. He loves his culture, fights for his cultuire to survive. I’m not sure what you wish, but whatever it is, it sure isn’t to criticize the muslims in your midst. No, better to make up some fascist label and apply it to those who do stand up for European culture (which is my heritage, too).
I took a peek at your ‘him’ links. Just thought I’d quote just this one, for shits and giggles:
“Transnational government structures.” In other words, tranzis, one worlders. Just fucking great. And this makes you worth listening to why?
Morning LGF Hypocracy Alert
Gingrich/Scozz Post
“…it’s a funny kind of loyalty to demand, a loyalty that only works in one direction. If
the GOP[CJ] is going to start enthusiastically carrying out tea party-style purges, it’s a bit hypocritical to complain about disloyalty from the ones who are cast out.”@ m:
m,
thank you for clarification.
Albeit all the problems with Muslim immigrants in Europe I have problems with the word “Eurabia” introduced by Bat Ye’or. It is more a fighting word than a proper description. Bat Ye’or’s interpretation as well of history as of the EU-treaties are mostly overdrawn and have nothing to do with the reality.
I give you an example: Bat Ye’or describes the partnership with the Maghreb states (now the Mediterranian Partnership) in a worst case scenario. But how did the reality look like?
It is true the Maghreb states got longer-term loans with very low interest to improve their infrastructures and to start their industries. But: with those loans they only could buy goods in the EU mainly in France and Germany not on the much cheaper world market. So the Maghreb states secured the jobs and the social welfare in the EU. Never thought about why France was so eager to renew the partnership with the Maghreb states?
But this Bat Ye’or/Fj would never tell you.
Another example: the average Muslim population in the EU is about 4 p.c. Most of the European Muslims live outside the EU (Bosnia-Herzegovia, Russia, Albania, Kosovo) with some hot spots in France (10 p.c.) or Bulgaria (~ 12 p.c.). Can you really call this Eurabia?
It is correct there are huge problems with non-integration, with education, with culture. It is correct that the politicians acted wrong (in many ways) and to late. But to hyperbolize the problems will not solve them.
Thanxs for the nice discussion.
@ m:
@ m:
m,
thank you for clarification.
Albeit all the problems with Muslim immigrants in Europe I have problems with the word “Eurabia” introduced by Bat Ye’or. It is more a fighting word than a proper description. Bat Ye’or’s interpretation as well of history as of the EU-treaties are mostly overdrawn and have nothing to do with the reality.
I give you an example: Bat Ye’or describes the partnership with the Maghreb states (now the Mediterranian Partnership) in a worst case scenario. But how did the reality look like?
It is true the Maghreb states got longer-term loans with very low interest to improve their infrastructures and to start their industries. But: with those loans they only could buy goods in the EU mainly in France and Germany not on the much cheaper world market. So the Maghreb states secured the jobs and the social welfare in the EU. Never thought about why France was so eager to renew the partnership with the Maghreb states?
But this Bat Ye’or/Fj would never tell you.
Another example: the average Muslim population in the EU is about 4 p.c. Most of the European Muslims live outside the EU (Bosnia-Herzegovia, Russia, Albania, Kosovo) with some hot spots in France (10 p.c.) or Bulgaria (~ 12 p.c.). Can you really call this Eurabia?
It is correct there are huge problems with non-integration, with education, with culture. It is correct that the politicians acted wrong (in many ways) and to late. But to hyperbolize the problems will not solve them.
Thanxs for the nice discussion.
@ RickZ:
I’m not labeling DeWinter et.al. fascist, they are fascists. Wilders is a right wing populist.
Yes
because he is a vehement opponent of these structures. To study transnational government structures doesn’t mean does one agrees with them. 
@admins
please can one of the admins delight my double post? Server probs
@ Guggi:
I don’t call it Eurabia, yet. But I do believe that is the way they are headed, and it’s pretty messed up. I was in Holland last year, and sometimes I would look around and ask myself if I really WAS in Holland.
And to see that some of it is by design (one of Rodan’s threads last week… I’d link it if I had a moment)?
I watch as normal people get tired of it and start protesting against it- only to have them called racists for their troubles.
I’d say that’s pretty messed up. (and we’re not far behind)
@ m:
@ m:
Most of the second and third generation Muslims with immigration background (integrated or not)don’t have more children than the “host”-society respectively the autochthonal population. But I agree the Muslim population in Europe is still rising especially because of new immigrants. But even though the Muslim population is rising to 10 p.c. it will not be “Eurabia”. Denmarks solution to rise the age for marriage with a woman/man of foreign descent to 25 years could be a roll model. One of the most serious problems in Europe is the burden of the social welfare budgets with uneducated immigrants.
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Holland/the Netherlands is/are a overcrowded country and immigrants concentrate in the cities. This is a problem. But take also in account that Holland like France or GB had colonies. There have always been immigrants.
Sorry didn’t read it. Do you have a link?
This is one of the most fatal mistakes European politicians made and has opened the doors for right wing populists and fascist groups which took the oppotunity to stoke fears and hate.
I concur
or should I say I totally agree? 
@ Guggi:
Here is the “by design” thread, talking about GB.
I think the whole issue about Robert and Pamela is crazy. Attending a meeting that some VB members attended does not prove they are “siding with fascist”, in my opinion.
Shoot, democratic senators meet with Robert Byrd all the time and that doesn’t mean the whole democratic party “sides with the kkk”.
CJ is now completely obsessed with the *evil* and nefarious right.
At times, LGF looks not much different than KOS.
Very sad indeed.
@ m:
Oh, thank you. A similar scandal happened at nearly the same time (around 2000 or 2001) in Germany with the red-green government of Schroeder/Fischer but the media was much faster to discover it.
The so called conference took place in the rooms of the VB in the European Parliament and VB was the host of the conference.
i) Byrd is a disgrace for the democratic party and CJ repeated this again and again.
ii) If the democratic senators would meet with Byrd in the rooms of the KKK every one would say they are siding with the KKK.
Good night.
@ Guggi:
1. I can’t work up any kind of caring about what cj repeated time and time again if you haven’t noticed.
(not meaning that assy towards you, it’s just a fact)
2. If they met in the “rooms of the Nazi party” you could equate the two. They met in the European/Flemish Parliaments and if you guys have what’s equal to the KKK in there – how did they get there? How many people have they strung from a tree?
As it is, VB is the only one trying to do anything about the “bad craziness” to use one of the favored terms:
SWEDEN SOCIAL DEMOCRATS’ JEW HATING RALLY UNDER HEZBALLAH FLAG
VLAAMS BELANG TAKES ACTION TO HALT JEW HATING DEATH MARCHES
Dewinter and the Jooooooos
Supporting the Resistance
^ All of these people side with fascist? I don’t see it that way.
You and cj do.
We’ll have to agree to disagree.