Goodmorning Blogmocracy Netizens! I hope everyone slept well and will have a healthy day today! I came across a dark post by the great Victor Davis Hanson I must post on.
The Progressive Tyrannical Regime in Washington D.C., is selling a fantasy to the American people. They keep increasing our debt, due to low interest rates. They are selling out our allies on the hopes that our enemies will like us. The Cap-N-Trade scheme’s true costs are down played and the hyped “green” economy is emphasized. The Obamacare plan is being promoted as consumer choice, when in reality it’s a form of Eugenics based control. These are dark times for America and one wonders whether the Progressives are naive, or if this is all by design?
Obama’s mega-borrowing is predicated on a rather thin margin of safety. We can service nearly $2 trillion in additional debt this year—on top the of the existing $11 trillion—only because interest rates are so low.
But as a veteran of the near usury of the 1970s and early 1980s, I see no reason why interest rates won’t shoot up to 10% once the economy recovers and the U.S. has to convince lenders to buy our paper in an inflationary spiral. In other words, we could fork out each year about $150-200 billion in interest costs on our annual red ink, in addition to paying annually another trillion dollars to service the existing debt. (We forget that many of us young people in the 1970s and 1980s simply never bought anything new due to high interest: my first new car was not purchased until 1989 when interest was only 7.2% on it; my parents bought a small condo in 1980 for the unbelievably low rate of 8.8%, due only to redevelopment incentives in a bad neighborhood of Fresno. Inflation will be back, even in this quite different age of globalized competition and low wages.)
When Obama talks of a trillion here for health care, a trillion there for cap-and-trade, it has a chilling effect. Does he include the cost of interest? Where will the money came from? Who will pay the interest? Has he ever experienced the wages of such borrowing in his own life? Did he cut-back and save for his college or law school tuition, with part-time jobs? Did he ever run a business and see how hard it was to be $200 ahead at day’s end?
What destroys individuals, ruins families, and fells nations is debt—or rather the inability to service debt, and the cultural ramifications that follow. When farming, I used to seen the futility in haggling over diesel prices, trying to buy fertilizer in bulk, or using used vineyard wire—when each day we were paying hundreds in dollars in interest on a “cut-rate” 14% crop loan.
Read the rest.
Victor Davis Hanson, who is a historian, does a great analysis here. This has happened before and this is how a great society falls. Progressives are leading America down a dark road and they need to be called out on it. They are on purpose destroying the fabric of this nation. It is their agenda to create a Neo-Feudal Totalitarian dark age system here. They want pure power and will stop at nothing to achieve this evil agenda. The Conservative-Libertarian Coalition must ignore the RINOs and take on these fascist thugs. It is our liberty and way of life at stake!
If we lose, an American Dark Age will set in.
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First?
Ha! I’ve never said “first” before.
Sorry.
On an on topic note, I was questioning the audience that the administration is giving this message to in the previous thread.
Are they just keeping up the drone, until it becomes commonplace to speak in such wishy-washy non-commital PC BS?
They can’t possibly think that they’re changing any minds.
Worse yet, graduates of our public school system that lack parental guidance buy this crap hook, line, and sinker.
Today NY Times Nobel Prize Winning Economist who formerly was anti deficit, and who is now rabidly pro deficit, pointed out that now that the “teabaggers” are gone, there is an opportunity to pass health care reform.
I for one am getting sick of the fucking liberals using sexual innuendo repeatedly to marginalize their opposition. So enjoy the next year of trashing the country fuckheads, and in 2010 you can crawl back into your sewers.
O.T.
“Gorebull Warning” asshats let their agenda slip out.
Global warming goes … vegan
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/27/global-warming-goes-vegan/
LLL’s, just like the Taliban, they just want you to live by their crackpot ideologies.
This is why I am a Tea Party activist, or as the LLL call us, Tea Bagger racist. Get on the Tea Party Express, make our voices heard!
re: #4 by kansas
Don’t hold back!
Flyover country is sh*t on again and again by these libtards.
There’s a reason your economic base left the urban cess-pools.
re: #2 by Bumr50
I hope oyu got it out of your system.
Back on topic – OI certainly do not run my own financial affairs the way the government runs theirs.
I think he’s being too optimistic. As much as Obama seems like Carter, I thin the better parallel is the 1930s. I don’t think inflation will be a problem for quite a while, because this “recession” isn’t even at half time.
Obama (and let’s give Pelosi and Reid credit as well) has poisoned the well for his successor. If a fiscal hawk is elected in 2012, and the congress is turned over, they’re going to have a hell of a dilema. As the economy recovers, all this latent inflation will hit and hard.
We’re already phooqed for at least a decade, and that’s best case.
re: #8 by Speranza
That’s why they’re frantically trying to redefine wealth in terms of carbon and other such nonsense.
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re: #8 by Speranza
That reminds me of something Phil Gramm said in the 80s. Something like “if I bought my groceries the way I bought my health care, I’d eat very differently, and so would my dog”.
re: #5 by bar
Is there a difference between putting sheep out to pasture and putting people out to pasture?
That’s what I’m hearing.
Giving Obama the keys to the national treasury is like leaving town & giving your 17 year old son all of your credit cards & your checkbook.
It is not his money & he & his friends will party every night.
Your cecking account will be overdrawn & you blow the caps off of your credit card limits.
So the question is , is Obama this stupid or does he want to create chaos, so that he & his gang are the only answer?
re: #11 by snork
It’s about the freedom!
OT-Phil Graham the concert promoter?
re: #14 by Bumr50
Sorry. Bill Graham. My Bad.
Being around young people in my work environment, I can’t emphasize enough the damage that’s being done to our kids.
They believe in entitlement. Period.
If we don’t get a handle on this, we are forced to continually be in damage-control mode.
re: #14 by Bumr50
Phil Gramm the economist and ex-senator from TX.
What most people fail to realize is that the American economy is driving the world economy. Here in Canada we are being hit by the recession to a lesser degree. Mostly because our mortgage policies are far more stringent then what the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac allowed. Still if inflation hits hard in the States we will feel the effects up here as well. Our barely positive economy would take a nose dive and put a lot of us with a large debt into the hurt locker. I pray that your health care reform and Cap and trade bills are held up long enough to get axed or minimized to a less painful degree.
re: #17 by snork
Thanks.
I see Time slimed him for deregulation.
re: #16 by Bumr50
I’m 34 and the difference between people my age and those under 25 is stark. I believ in right and wrong, these young people believ in Nuance, tolerance and understanding. I don’t believ in none of that crap. I believ in winning and dominance.
re: #16 by Bumr50
They don’t understand that they’re the ones who will inherit the yoke. And they don’t want to, either.
I don’t understand the logic of wanting power in a failed government over a prosperous one.
As someone who makes his living in the capital markets, I have to say this one thing. People often get inflation confused with higher prices. Know this, higher prices are a symptom of inflation, and not inflation itself. The Zero Administration, and the Bush Administration, (to a much lesser extent,) have inflated our economy. It has already happened. Just because we haven’t fully felt its symptoms yet, doesn’t mean that we won’t. We have maybe another 6 months to a year before that kicks in. then there is the little matter of that idiotic minimum wage increase to be reckoned with. We are in for a Carteresque economy over the next four years. That is if we can prevent this health scare sink hole.
re: #18 by Knightwatch
I was debating whether or not to post this, but since you’re here and canuck, I’ll phrase it as a question.
My dad and I coached a youth hockey team a while back, a member of which was the son of a part of the Lemieux group that owned the Pittsburgh Penguins at the time.
His well-to-do father flew my dad and brother to the NHL awards banquet one year, and they sat at a table with Darryl Sittler.
Sittler said that he maintains a residence in Buffalo specifically to have access to better health care in the US for his family.
I’m not sure how close you are geographically, but does this happen often?
re: #23 by Flyovercountry
You are not the only person I know who has stated this.
re: #12 by Bumr50
Not if they are vegans!
Off to the salt mine, check you all on the flip side.
re: #20 by Rodan
We are the same age. 10-5-1975 is my birthdate.
I think we’ve witnessed a complete overhaul of the education system since we’ve graduated.
It all started with Channel One.
re: #23 by Flyovercountry
Again, I think you’re being optimistic.
re: #27 by Bumr50
7-17-75 is my B-Day! You and I rem,eber the Reagan Years, that’s why we know better.
re: #29 by Rodan
Alex P. Keaton.
re: #20 by Rodan
Remember in the 60’s when the youth believed in no boundaries morally to the shock and horror of the mature segment of our population? Youth won. I believe we are again seeing the youth’s values you speak of also becoming our new reality.
When the masses vote for entitlements Democracy fails. It is the flaw in the system; you need values and responsibility to make freedom work.
re: #20 by Rodan
I think that is part of it. I’m 40, and I see the the same thing. I’m not in a good way today. I’m home sick from work, so I can’t maybe be as erudite as I’d like
Nevertheless, I think you are on to smething. Kids today just don’t get it.
re: #24 by Bumr50
I can’t really say. I do know that the health care system here isn’t the greatest. You constantly hear stories about people having to go State side to get emergency treatment or diagnoses.
re: #31 by Kali
That’s we’re forced into the role of parents.
Again.
It’s a drag, but it’s time to face the fact that much of America is currently lazy AND stupid.
re: #31 by Kali
I don’t think so. This is the result of indoctrination.
re: #31 by Kali
I literally have to teach people that you have to physically move to get things from point “A” to point “B.”
It’s as if they’re conditioned to interpret differently. It’s scary.
Good morning, folks.
knightwatch – good to see you.
re: #23 by Flyovercountry
Oh, goody. We are about to experience stagflation again! With Keynesian “solutions” applied to make things even worse. I am old enough to remember when the prime rate was 22 1/2%, a qualifying home mortgage was 14% – and that was the FLOOR – and an automobile loan averaged 16% APR. These starry-eyed kids mentioned by others, above, are going to learn the hard way. Reality is a stern teacher, and pays no attention to the political fashions of the day.
The only difference between then (the mid – to – late 1970’s) and now is that we hadn’t gone through the de-industrialization of the 1980s and 1990’s, so there were still plenty of decent-paying jobs around.
re: #38 by Cupcake
Hi!
Your nic is hunger-inducing.
re: #31 by Kali
Well those 60’s Kids are now running this nation. That was the origins of the Modern Progressive Movement. They are all disciples of Saul Alinsky.
re: #32 by Rancher
One drastic solution: the productive end of the spectrum “goes Galt” and then the fiesta’s over for the growing non-productive segment. They will learn that the world isn’t a Walt Disney movie. Maybe, when they get hungry enough, they will even eat Bambi.
re: #39 by Gypsy Commenter
The problem is both parties belived in this Global Economic cooperation crap. America is the world’s economic sucker.
re: #39 by Gypsy Commenter
However, it may take a pretty good sized clue-by-four to get then to understand that all this suck is a bug, and not a feature.
Way, way too many of them believe in broken window economics.
re: #16 by Bumr50
You are SO right!
The hubster commented on that last night.
In trying to “not be mean parents” we have allowed a mentality of no consequences to my actions to grow.
I am guilty of it myself.
Not anymore though.
re: #42 by Gypsy Commenter
This has happened before, but what’s different this time is that there are other places in the world to go Galt to. If these dorks think that we have a problem with business moving offshore now, they haven’t seen anything yet.
And that economic activity isn’t coming back. Ever.
re: #46 by snork
Oh, it might come back—after we go back to living in grass shacks, the newly-rich Chinese will come here as economic developers to get cheap labor.
re: #43 by Rodan
After over 250 years of independence, we are, mostly unknowingly, becoming a colony again. We are being offered for exploitation to foreign interests in expiation for our crimes of being rich and successful. If Barack (may a thousand camels piss on his Kobe steak) has his way, America’s subservience to foreign powers will become law. The Democrats in Congress will cheer that their mission of the past 80 years has been accomplished.
re: #42 by Gypsy Commenter
One drastic solution: the productive end of the spectrum “goes Galt” and then the fiesta’s over for the growing non-productive segment.
Even in that scenario the Progressive Elite are still ok.
Witness the former Soviet Union, the 4% of the population that were Party members lived well.
I believe that like a Sophist , Obama is worsening a crisis in order to take control.
# 41 Rodan
And daddy’s trust fund. (See: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, et.al.) One can also call them comfy couch communists.
Phooqmee:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMp8UiCNYas
On, no. This is all just about science, right?
re: #38 by Cupcake
Morning Cupcake. Mostly lurking here from time to time. Good to see excellent posts and comments on different topics. This place is starting to grow and evolve.
re: #48 by Gypsy Commenter
I think you’re being overly harsh when saying that the Democrats’ “mission of the last 80 years is being accomplished.”
There were certainly communists and internationalists in the Democratic Party from the days of FDR, and many of them had influence on his policies. But it is a mistake, I think, to consider the Democratic Party to have been rotted out by such influences until much, much later—until the putsch of 1968, when the progressives turned the party against their own sitting president.
Updated #51: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BptZ7CXHziA&feature=player_embedded#
re: #46 by snork
You just hit a home run. The real economic tigers are the old Soviet Republics in Eastern Europe.
They are flexing their muscles & creating economic opportunities.
I would bet that if Obama succeeds here, many young Americans will flee to opportunity.
re: #53 by buzzsawmonkey
Saul Alinsky was part of that.
re: #49 by RIX
You made my Mt. Dew taste like camel pee.
re: #56 by Rodan
As may be. My point is merely that the Democrats did not assume their Leftist mode 80-odd years ago, and it is a mistake at best to say so. That change occurred some 40+ years ago—which might seem all the same to the younger posters here, but not to those of us who remember it.
I lurk a little from time to time as work keeps me so bloody busy I can’t do anything else. Ah well, no money no candy. Right?
I agree, this place is growing by leaps and bounds and no walking on eggs, either.
re: #48 by Gypsy Commenter
We are a colony of the Global Community. We will look like a 3rd world nation soon. A Rich elite controlling the downtrodding masses.
re: #44 by snork
Do you think that a scarcity of jobs paying more than $7.50 an hour, (unless they are privileged enough to have parents who can afford to send them to a “good” college to prepare them for a career as a $5,000,000 bond trader, or $400,000 per year as a political “science” professor or tort lawyer) will help these kids to get a grasp of reality?
At present they seem to be aiming for a life of breadlines enlivened by music downloads and bad ganja, so far as I can tell. The wakeup will be interesting.
Zero’s not going to stop until America is no longer feared or even respected by any other country, including 3rd world hell holes.
He feels that’s what we deserve after all we’ve done to harm the world. There’s a reason he spent 20 years in Rev. Wrong’s hate America church.
Zero is working overtime to get those chickens to come home to roost.
He is doing everything he can to get them scratching and crowing in everyone’s front yard.
re: #57 by Bumr50
Sorry about that, nothin like a Dew.
I just believe that , that is the Obama goal.
He can be stopped. If the Dems lose in Virginia & New Jersey on Tuesday, many of them will get cold feet on Obamas agenda.
Turn over the House in 2010 , turn Obama out in 2012 & voila! problem solved.
re: #58 by buzzsawmonkey
Yes I agree, the Democratic Party although Liberal, was not Totalitarian Progressive until 1968. AFter that the Progressive took over from the Old School Liberals. The Election of Obama in 2008, was the culmination of the Progressive take over. They now control the Government, Business, Entertainment, Media and Education. They have complete power.
re: #64 by Rodan
They had their subversive elements. Does Alger Hiss ring any bells?
re: #41 by Rodan
That’s right– the kids are running things– they are the ones who never grew up. They are the TV generation who feel they need a dramatic soundtrack, canned laughter and that all problems can be resolved in 30 minutes or less.
The issue of debt is not a Democrat or Republican issue– it is a national issue and the leaders have to be able to tell the people that there are not enough teats on the pig anymore.
re: #62 by chickadee
There’s a reason he spent 20 years in Rev. Wrong’s hate America church.
Hmmm, let me guess. At heart Obama is a racist?
re: #62 by chickadee
Hussein has studied these guys, guaranteed.He is an annihilator of all things free market. Whether the result matches the theory we shall see.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/the-many-tentacles-of-cloward-piven
re: #63 by RIXI just believe that , that is the Obama goal.He can be stopped. If the Dems lose in Virginia & New Jersey on Tuesday, many of them will get cold feet on Obamas agenda.Turn over the House in 2010 , turn Obama out in 2012 & voila! problem solved.
Well, not really solved solved, that just means we would have a Republican with a big assed mess to deal with and a media ready to blame him/her immediately.
I mean the spike in Afghan deaths is clearly the result of Obama dithering yet they were allowed to get away with the lie that Bush didn’t leave them a plan because of the MSM.
And I have no illusions that ACORN won’t steal the elections next week, next year, and in 2012.
Mmm mmm mmm Barack Hussein Obama
You were nasty to your Grandama
You got caught up in the Reverend Wright fuss,
So you threw poor toot under the bus.
Mmm, mmm mmm, Barack Hussein Obama.
# 67 RIX
Another point on which Beck expounded, and for which he was thoroughly pummeled. Even though he was correct, and his points unrefuted. It is impossible for Obie to sit in Reverrunatthemouth’s church for 20+ years and not have the stink of racism stick to him like the scent of patchouli oil.
re: #69 by kansas
And I have no illusions that ACORN won’t steal the elections next week, next year, and in 2012.
Maybe we can keep them distracted by helping to set up a bunch of brothels…
re: #58 by buzzsawmonkey
If liberal hero John F. Kennedy were alive today, he would probably be a Republican. For by today’s liberal standards, his views would be quite conservative. Interestingly, most liberals don’t seem to notice this.
re: #72 by buzzsawmonkey
Hey Buzz. Glad to hear from you.
re: #64 by Rodan
And to them we say: FRAK YOU!
Yes, we’re back.
re: #75 by Macker
Where have you been? You have been missed?
re: #76 by Rodan
On our honeymoon drive from MI (where we got married) to AZ. We got back Sunday night at 1800, and we’ve been exhausted to say the least.
Now, we’re unpacking and sorting stuff. The Mrs. is putting her touch to our place to make it a HOME. One we need to defend.
re: #58 by buzzsawmonkey
Wilson and Rooseveledt may have been more genteel than Obama, but they were pretty left. Democrats since have been building leviathan on their foundation.
I don’t know if their goals are the same, but they’ve long had those in power that kept pushing for more and more state control. I don’t know if the rank-and-file were always aware of the goal; I suspect probably just as much.
re: #53 by buzzsawmonkey
Strictly speaking, you are correct. I was using a bit of rhetorical license to drive home my point. However, these elements did exist in the Democrat Party from the coming of the New Deal onward, and exerted a strong influence on the ruling non-leftist segments of the party.
The Second World War and the beginning of the Cold War – the period of Mao’s Long March and the descent of the Iron Curtain – froze their long march through the institutions in place, but it is important to note that such persons as Alger Hiss were highly thought-of members of the foreign policy establishment, and were vehemently protected by Truman and Acheson, who were standard Democrats. And let us not forget Henry Wallace, FDR’s VP. Such hardcore Marxist academics as Herbert Marcuse and Betty Friedan served as inspirations to young Stalinists throughout the 1940’s and 1950’s. Despite their protests about being terrified by “McCarthyism”, they continued to teach unmoliested in their universities.
The devouring of the Democrat Party by the Left in the 1960’s was not a case of spontaneous combustion, as they like to claim, but the logical end result of a process that had been ongoing since the early 1930’s.
Heres a tranzi progressive scheme few Americans are aware of, brought to us by friends at the UN.
UN Agenda 21. Sounds eeevil doesn’t it?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/un_agenda_21_coming_to_a_neigh.html
re: #61 by Gypsy Commenter
Is Barack Obama a slave to Soros?
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Testing to see if my nick change is possible.
re: #81 by Bumr50
Don’t know about slave but hes on Soros payroll.
Sorry about that, think I have got it sorted out now.
re: #71 by RickMZ
Yeah Beck was right, Obama is a racist. The evidence is in his memoirs & other comments.
Most damning is his attendance at Rev Wtights church.
Palin was right about the Death Panels. If the ‘Committee” will deny life saving care, it is a Death Panel.
You can really get smeared when you’re right.
re: #81 by Bumr50
Slave? More like Obama’s Soros’s Howdy Doody. Buffalo George pulls a string, and How’d He Do It lifts a leg.
re: #79 by Gypsy Commenter
At least in WW2 FDR crushed our enemies. I can’t say the same for either Bush or Obama.
Our nation is producing weak effeminate leaders.
UNITED NATIONS (AFP) – US drone strikes against suspected terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan could be breaking international laws against summary executions, the UN’s top investigator of such crimes said.
Hey, maybe they can try Obama and Biden for war crimes.
re: #85 by RIX
The “church” was all I needed to evaluate the dirtbag. Not only racist but anti American and Jew hating.Everything and everybody he associates with makes sense if you know anything about liberation theology.
re: #78 by Nikis Knight
Wilson and Roosevelt were still Americans more than internationalists. Both of them may have envisioned a larger international role for America, but in both cases they gave America pride of place.
The roots of corrosive internationalism, and of the follies of the Left that we today see writ large, have their roots in the 19th century, but they were independent strains from many sources. Remember that aside from the communism of Marx, there was the home-grown vogue for American Utopian communes back in the 1840s. Feminism grew out of both abolitionism, and out of the temperance movement—and, certainly, both slavery and the ravages of rampant alcohol abuse were serious problems.
One can see how early today’s PC strains had taken hold in society by reading several Kipling short stories:
“My Son’s Wife”
The Mother Hive
Little Foxes
among them.
re: #87 by Rodan
FDR had the nation behind him — GW Bush had a large segment attempting to engineer a defeat in Iraq. Obama — well, what can you say? Julius Caesar he’s not, in spite of what one blogging “intellectual” claimed a couple of days ago.
re: #90 by buzzsawmonkey
FDR crushed the Nazis and Imperialist Japanese, so I respect him for that.
re: #87 by Rodan
Our nation is producing weak effeminate leaders.
Not just leaders. This weekend the running back for the KC Chiefs told a reporter to get his faggot ass away, and then tweeted some other slurs. Holy shit, everyone has the vapors. The gay lesbian alliance is all over it, they guys father who was a pro football player says he is “hurt”. Bullshit like he never said stuff in the locker room. The guy is now locked out of the team. Course the team sucks and so does he, but faggot is a career ending slur while teabagging is just fine?
re: #91 by Gypsy Commenter
Was that the comparison of writing styles? I noticed that they seemed to skip over a lot of other great writers that were politicians.
re: #79 by Gypsy Commenter
See my #90 above.
Yes, the infiltration of communists and hardcore leftists into the Democratic Party goes way back, and yes, the spread of leftist influence in the universities also goes back to the Depression era.
My recollection of Marcuse and Freidan is that they became known in the early-mid 1960s; I do not think they were writing earlier, and if they were their influence was not particularly wide.
I’m not contesting the conclusions of many here; to the extent I am arguing, I am merely urging against the use of hyperbole and for as much accuracy as possible in dating and otherwise charting causes. The fudging of facts and dates and what occurred when is one of the things that I find most distasteful about the Left, and I would like to see that particular pitfall avoided.
re: #89 by vagabond trader
Obama by his own admission spent on average two Sundays a month at Rev Wrights Church.
He drove over seven miles to get there from his Hyde Park home bypassing many traditional Christian Churches.
He went because he liked the message.
re: #78 by Nikis Knight
Wilson was actually a much more odious character than history paints him as being. He had no use for Blacks, and was ambivalent (in a mixed sense) about Jews.
The teens were a no good very bad decade. The 16th and 17th amendments were passed then, both very, very bad shiite.
# 92 Rodan
Hey, don’t forget the Italians. They were on both winning sides during the war, a really neat trick.
re: #22 by Kali
The impression I get from it and the people involved is that they enjoy the process of destruction and having the power to do it with no one to stop them.
re: #92 by Rodan
Rodan, could I interrupt briefly for a personal request? I would like to change my nic to just plain “Gypsy” on the grounds that “Gypsy Commenter” is a stupid nic. May I drop the “Commenter”? Can you do your admin magic? Thanks!
Later gators.
re: #97 by snork
Wilson was, by all accounts, something of an antisemite—yet he also nominated Louis Brandeis for the Supreme Court, and fought the nomination through. A mixed bag.
re: #91 by Gypsy Commenter
I understand, but FDR never said Nazism or Japanese Imperialism were Peaceful ideologies. Nor did FDR allow a massive wave of Japanese or German refugess/Immigrants into this country.
Bush is just a product of a weak society. If 9/11 had happened just 20 years before the US would of wiped the floor clean with the Saudis and Iranians.
I haven’t liked a President since Reagan.
re: #96 by RIX
So Obama went to a hate whitey church. But he is 1/2 white. Should always point that out and then ask blacks how they are doing since he got elected would work? Mortgage not paid by Obama. Check Gas not paid for by Obama. Check. Credit Cards not paid for by Obama. Check.
Then show the high life he is living at the WHITE HOUSE.
re: #100 by Gypsy Commenter
you can change your nicname displayed under the profile link at the top right of the page. Your log-in name will be the same.
re: #100 by Gypsy Commenter
You can change it in the Profile. Selct your profile and in the nickname field do Gypsy, then set it as your disply name. If you have a problem let me know and I can do it.
re: #95 by buzzsawmonkey
Point taken. I often wonder what the standard, mainstream Democrats I grew up with think about the hijacking of their party in 1968? I am the product of a mixed marriage – my Mother was a devout free-market liberarian Republican, and my dad was a Truman Democrat. To the end of his life, (1996) he did not quite accept the extent of the tentacles of the Left in his party.
re: #102 by buzzsawmonkey
Wilson was also a supporter of Eugenics and was a Fascist. he created a secret police and went after politicla opponents.
He also invaded Latin AMerican countries and caused the anti-American resentmnet there.
I am not a fan of Wilson.
During my early 20s I lived in SF thinking I’d feel more comfortable around the arty types. I was too young to realize the discomfort I felt was because of their strange ways, not mine.
I thought back then I was (old school “liberal”) because I wasn’t old school rightwing at all.
I recall so much of the artist’s themes focused on trashing the middle class (as if they weren’t) and capitalist pigs, down with America, etc. And also recalled once the vets from Vietnam returned home after all the energy put into ending the war, that once they all came home, you never would have known it. I was very young… I thought for sure there was going to be parades and a big deal to greet them home again. But, as we all know, they were spit on and worse.
re: #103 by Rodan
It would have been interesting had the US, on 9/12, broadcast an ultimatum to the entire Muslim world: deliver us Bin Laden bound in chains within ten days, or Mecca becomes a smoking hole in the ground.
re: #103 by Rodan
Yeah, but at least he was on the strong end of a weak society, unlike his sucessor.
Although Obama can be rhetorically vicious against conservatives, so maybe he’s just a strong man with screwed up priorities?
Everyone who voted for Zero knew about his 20 years in the Racist Hate church, when election day rolled around. They gave him the benefit of the doubt on that and many other damning things he had said or done.
Now, that he is office, it is not possible for any objective person to keep ignoring the obvious. Zero has great disdain for this country. He should not have been elected.
I hope we can take just one seat in New Jersey, Virginia or the 23rd District of N.Y. It would be a major coup. It will shake thin-skinned Zero and his thugs, put them off balance and make them act even more erratic.
Their days in power are numbered. I think a slumbering America is awakening.
re: #110 by buzzsawmonkey
Would have needed a demonstration or two. Fortunately there is a lot of empty wilderness in the area.
Hey is FOX News f*ckd up?
re: #108 by Rodan
I’m not a fan of Wilson either, but you can’t lay the Latin American resentment of the US entirely at his door: there is the Spanish-American War, for one thing; Teddy Roosevelt’s machinations to grab the Canal Zone; and the entire phenomenon of US money and the United Fruit Company creating the “banana republic” phenomenon, all of which pre-date Wilson’s landing the Marines at Vera Cruz and his sending Pershing after Villa during the Mexican Revolution.
# 110 buzzsawmonkey
Dead would have worked for me as well. (No chains necessary). I’d even give them a couple of extra days to meet the deadline demand.
re: #113 by Nikis Knight
I’m assuming you’re making a jocular reference to the “why didn’t we demonstrate the Bomb before hitting Hiroshima?” line of cant, but no, I don’t think a demonstration would have been necessary, or useful.
Demonstration = empty threat. An ultimatum is exactly that; do this, or something else will happen, and if you think we’re joking, go ahead and find out.
Testing new improved nic.
Thanks for the advice, everyone!
re: #116 by RickZ
I prefer “in chains.” It would be particularly humiliating to the captive, and the world which formed him—and would leave him alive for verification that it was indeed he, and for interrogation purposes.
re: #73 by My 2 Cents
It’s funny too how as Republicans, we’re supposed to forget everything Reagan stood for since he’s not with us, but the left can worship at the altar of FDR, JFK & LBJ forever.
re: #120 by mfhorn
As long as you’re mentioning LBJ, don’t forget El BJ, i.e., Bill Clinton.
# 119 buzzsawmonkey
I understand. Going for the old tried and true Roman triumph ‘march the captive in chains through the streets of Rome to show the power of Rome’. That’d work, so long as the end result of the triumph was the same (after any info was squeezed out of him): Death. Unfortunately, the death wouldn’t be quite so entertaining as the Roman one, but we all have to make sacrifices.
How do people get that quote function to operate?
re: #112 by chickadee
As I understand it, even though the United Church of Christ is on the surface a mainstream, though ultra-liberal church, the Reverend Wright preaches something called black liberation theology, rather than Christianity. Does anyone know anything about the tenets of this sect? I remember reading about it a while ago but I may be confusing it with Rastafarianism, with a black Jesus, etc.
Apparently, many of the black movers and shakers in Chicago went to that church, which is probably why Obama picked it in the first place. Oprah said she used to attend, but quit because she didn’t like the tenor of the sermons.
# 120 mfhorn
It’s always fun to tell any prog who worships at the altar of JFK that if JFK were alive today, he’s be a far right-wing(nut) Republican conservative. Amazing how times can change in just 50 years, or just over 1 generation.
My secret source reminds me it is time for the Infidel Blogger Awards.
I wonder if there is a liberal asshat category for Chuckies Place…
re: #123 by buzzsawmonkey
And why do some names have a link to them and others don’t?
re: #117 by buzzsawmonkey
I have little love for the moon god’s altar, but after so many years of American fecklessness, I think Muslims would have been justified in thinking we were neutered, and a bomb in the nearest uninhabited desert to the potential target would probably have been more effective than a threat alone.
After all, we gave an ultimatim to Saddam before entering Iraq to no avail. His people didn’t rise up and throw him out because he had armed thugs to ensure his safety. In the same way, bin Laden had armed Al-Queda so that even if the devout in Afghanistan wanted to save Mecca, or the arab nations armies (which couldn’t have done a better job than we have, I’d wager), I don’t think they could have complied.
I think a more firmly enforced Bush Doctrine was in fact what was needed; if you harbor or assist terrorists, including financially, your regime will be overthrown and you will die. And tell Powell to shove the “You break it, you bought it” BS to preserve our strength.
re: #125 by RickZ
I don’t know that he’d be ‘far right’, but I know he’d be attacked for his stances on issues like taxes.
His ‘Ask not what your country can do for you’ speech has become ‘ask what your country can do for you’ in today’s far left Dem party.
# 123 buzzsawmonkey
Use the less than and greater than signs as brackets around blockquote and /blockquote.
re: #124 by Gypsy
All you need to know about Wright and his church is their tenet espousing “the disavowal of middleclassness”—a tenet which vanished from their website when the church came under scrutiny during the campaign.
This is a middle-class nation. What formerly considered itself the “working class” considers itself middle-class, as do even the wealthy who must still work for a living. The only people who do not see themselves as part of the middle class are the welfare recipients, those of independent means, and the disaffected members of the middle class who see themselves as “artists” or “revolutionaries” or some other self-created fringe.
Entering the middle class is the ticket to personal independence and self-respect. The fact that Wright and his church specifically enshrined rejection of this fundamental tenet of societal membership tells you that his church was one which worships the false god of perpetual grievance and self-damaging marginalization.
# 129 mfhorn
Take a look at JFK’s stance on communism, and compare that to today’s Democrats. JFK was also not a believer in abortion.
re: #128 by Nikis Knight
Lets not forget the incident with the Chinese and our recon a/c shortly after Bush was inaugurated, either.
Bush should have given China 24 hours to return the aircraft & its crew to us. Failure to do so would result in a 100% tariff on all goods coming from China. After a further 24 hours, a further increase in the tariff to 200%. Then 400%. And so on.
re: #94 by PaladinPhil
Yep, that was the one. I noticed too that they skipped over a number of great lesders, most of whom were too busy to produce self-glorifying propaganda. Even so, I’m willing to bet that Caesar’s “Gallic Wars” will remain a classic long after “Tales of my Father” or whatever it’s called is forgotten.
re: #129 by mfhorn
Didn’t he say, “We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of social justice.”?
# 124 Gypsy
Reverrunatthemouth preaches ‘Dr.’ James Cone’s BLACK Liberation Theology, which is a more rancid and racist version of plain old Liberation Theology.
re: #120 by mfhorn
Further proof that the dems are more cult then political.
re: #18 by Knightwatch
Mostly because our mortgage policies are far more stringent then what the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac allowed.
Just be glad you live in a country smart enough to have sound banking policies!
re: #91 by Gypsy Commenter
Julius Caesar? No. Truly a Seizer? Yes.
re: #134 by Gypsy
One great political leader that was also a great writer was Winston Churchill. Considering his opus of work, and where he got his start in writing. I am surprised it isn’t the subject of many university courses.
/but of course, he was a conservative Tory.
# 127 mfhorn
I copy the name, along with any quoted material, rather than hitting ‘reply’ because that reset/having to do it twice crap pisses me off.
re: #123 by buzzsawmonkey
RE: Quote thingy: if you ever find out, let me know. I gave up after a dozen or so fruitless attempts.
re: #131 by buzzsawmonkey
It’s still there. Put http://www in front of:
trinitychicago.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=114
and paste in your browser. I don’t want to direct link it. Or go to their website main page and click on “About” Us on the left. At the end of a short one paragraph thing on “Our History” there’s a link to the black value system.
#142 Gypsy
See my # 130.
re: #135 by Nikis Knight
Yes. Yes he did.
re: #136 by RickZ
I don’t know about either one, but they both sound bad for anyone not a part of their little movement.
re: #59 by Cupcake
‘I agree, this place is growing by leaps and bounds and no walking on eggs, either.’
This place has far surpassed the old place.
re: #141 by RickZ
Sorry, I meant the name of the poster. My name on my postings doesn’t have a link on it, PaladinPhil does for example.
re: #145 by mfhorn
Look closer. I was snarking on his present-day admirers.
re: #140 by PaladinPhil
Excellent point! His history of World War II should be required reading for everyone. Strange you should mention that – I have just started re-reading it; am on the “The Gathering Storm” – book 1 right now.
re: #140 by PaladinPhil
Excellent point! His history of World War II should be required reading for everyone. Strange you should mention that – I have just started re-reading it; am on the “The Gathering Storm” – book 1 right now.
re: #144 by RickZ
Being a genius doesn’t mean I know how to html.Cannot wait for the shiny new site and all the essential accessories.
I find it interesting that an individual was taught, by this Administration, that when the American People are facing economic woes, that the solution is to go into large amounts of personal debt by buying a house and a car.
In other words, the federal govermnent makes a plan in which it takes your money and gives it back to you (via a stimulus) if you go deeper into personal debt.
That is truly classic Federal Government thinking… spend your way into deeper debt to try and improve the economic outlook.
Now they want to do the same with Healthcare….. let the government manage your healthcare, you just foot the bill (via taxes)….
Tie into that insufficient worksers to continue to fund Social Security now that the Baby Boomers are starting retirement….
Invest in firearms, canning supplies and toilet paper…. and apologize to your children and your grandchildren for the suffering they will go through due to the inability of THIS and previous generations to reign in a Federal Government that grows like a cancer.
re: #92 by Rodan
You mean he was willing to let the Dept. of War do it. He was the last donkey to let the generals out on a long leash. Subsequently, they were all, in one way or another, in conflict with the professional military.
re: #152 by LanceKates
I was thinking about cars for clunkers today. How stupid do you have to be to not see that you are intentionally creating a “bubble”?
# 147 mfhorn
On their profiles, they have a url/blog.
re: #112 by chickadee
People voted for Zero because they were bamboozled by a relentless barrage of anti Republican pro Obmama propaganda from multiple sources (and the usual suspects0that would have made North Korea proud. The man is obviously overwhelmed by the responsibilities of being POTUS and has got to wonder to himself how the hell he even got there.
re: #143 by Mrs.Robinson
There are some elements of that which would be fine without the constant reference to ‘black’. Once again, it’s the left’s commitment to the ‘group’ rather than the ‘individual’.
I’m all for commitment to the God and the family, to the pursuit of education, excellence, worth ethic, self discipline & self respect.
From about #8 on, it gets over the top.
re: #155 by RickZ
Helps to save on blog pimping.
re: #152 by LanceKates
Broken window economics at its finest.
Every time he does a fundraiser/rabble rally he tells the same stupid story of fired up…ready to go.
People used to just cheer and get all excited about it.
Now….it just sounds stupid.
What is it with Hollyweirdos and their fellating of Castro?
*shrugs*
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BJOLOG0&show_article=1&catnum=6
re: #132 by RickZ
Take a look at JFK’s stance on communism, and compare that to today’s Democrats. JFK was also not a believer in abortion.
He’d have changed over the years to take advantage of the democrat power structure. JFK, RFK and Teddy were all sons of daddy rabbit JPK, and he was a political mercenary.
re: #162 by Poteen
I dunno, the old man was arrogant as hell, that’s for certain: FDR sent him to England during the war, and lo and behold Ole Joe begins expressing anti-British sentiments, and also pooping out a few pro-Nazi ones. IIRC, he became such and embarrassment and infuriated the British so much FDR had to recall him. Not exactly a go along to get along guy.
re: #160 by typicalwhitey
Typicalwhitey, I sincerely hope you get good news about your situation with your grandson. The stress must be unbearable.
re: #115 by buzzsawmonkey
Valid point!
re: #163 by Gypsy
Not go along to get along at all.
More of a ‘how can I benefit’ kind of guy.
He’s notorious for saying Hitler was a guy he ‘could do business with’. And Joe Kennedy’s business was originally racketeering.
re: #66 by calcajun
But the Democrat left wing does not believe in the nation. “National” issues are precisely where the cutting-America-down-to-size post-nationalist ideology imposes itself.
re: #110 by buzzsawmonkey
I don’t see this threat working out so well. Many Islamic societies are little more than death cults. They revere death, especially as alleged martyrs of Allah. Nuking Mecca would of course anger the mythic “Arab street” but it would also likely produce a wide-spread feeling of satisfaction that the honor of Allah was somehow gratified.
re: #124 by Gypsy
This article will tell you a lot about the Rev’s hate church.
http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30508
re: #154 by Nikis Knight
Part of the plan to force themselves upon the industry…. and now that they’re on both ends of the industry they can start pushing even more regulation.
Hey, it isn’t like Congresscritters pay for their own cars so what’s it matter? heh.
re: #159 by lobo91
and people defend it. “No no, Lance, you don’t understand. . . . it is different on the federal level…. it is ok, even good, for the Federal Government to have lots of debt, that means trading securty with other nations.” (That’s what someone on 1.0 told me when I brought up the idea debt was bad.)
There is an old biblical principle… The ower is a slave to the lender.
It doesn’t matter if it is a 5 year old girl or a 230 year old government.
No one can create a situation in which owing 10 TRILLION dollars to others is somehow holier and more beneifcial to us than to NOT owe 10 Trillion dollars. Bargaining power…. if I owe you money, you have the power. If we’re even, then we’re even.
Even better, if you owe ME money, bargaining works even better for me.