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Guest Blogger: Ornery Elephant
As it says in this article at Family Security Matters, the “cat is out of the bag” and the news is disturbing at the very least. The word is out that the humongeous and hideous number of islamic immigrations into Great Britain over the past decade and a half was all planned by the government….it was executed on purpose IN ORDER TO MAKE BRITAIN MORE MULTICULTURAL! I kid you not.
Read this and if you are in Britain, weep. If you are in America, read this and get ready to fight this new plague upon our land.
The Uncovered Conspiracy to Transform Britain
So now the cat is well and truly out of the bag. For years, as the number of immigrants to Britain shot up apparently uncontrollably, the question was how exactly this had happened.
Was it through a fit of absent-mindedness or gross incompetence? Or was it not inadvertent at all, but deliberate?
The latter explanation seemed just too outrageous. After all, a deliberate policy of mass immigration would have amounted to nothing less than an attempt to change the very makeup of this country without telling the electorate.
There could not have been a more grave abuse of the entire democratic process. Now, however, we learn that this is exactly what did happen. The Labour government has been engaged upon a deliberate and secret policy of national cultural sabotage.
This astonishing revelation surfaced quite casually last weekend in a newspaper article by one Andrew Neather. He turns out to have been a speech writer for Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.
And it was he who wrote a landmark speech in September 2000 by the then immigration minister, Barbara Roche, that called for a loosening of immigration controls. But the true scope and purpose of this new policy was actively concealed.
In its 1997 election manifesto, Labour promised “firm control over immigration” and in 2005 it promised a “crackdown on abuse.” In 2001, its manifesto merely said that the immigration rules needed to reflect changes to the economy to meet skills shortages.
But all this concealed a monumental shift of policy. For Neather wrote that until “at least February last year,” when a new points-based system was introduced to limit foreign workers in response to increasing uproar, the purpose of the policy Roche ushered in was to open up the UK to mass immigration.
This has been achieved. Some 2.3million migrants have been added to the population since 2001. Since 1997, the number of work permits has quadrupled to 120,000 a year.
Unless policies change, over the next 25 years some seven million more will be added to Britain’s population, a rate of growth three times as fast as took place in the ‘80s.
Such an increase is simply unsustainable. Britain is already one of the most overcrowded countries in Europe. But now look at the real reason why this policy was introduced, and in secret. The Government’s “driving political purpose,” wrote Neather, was “to make the UK truly multicultural.”
It was therefore a politically motivated attempt by ministers to transform the fundamental makeup and identity of this country. It was done to destroy the right of the British people to live in a society defined by a common history, religion, law, language and traditions.
It was done to destroy for ever what it means to be culturally British and to put another “multicultural” identity in its place. And it was done without telling or asking the British people whether they wanted their country and their culture to be transformed in this way.
Spitefully, one motivation by Labour ministers was “to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.”
Even Neather found that particular element of gratuitous Left-wing bullying to be “a manoeuvre too far.”
Yet apart from this, Neather sees nothing wrong in the policy he has described. Indeed, the reason for his astonishing candor is he thinks it’s something to boast about. Mass immigration, he wrote, had provided the “foreign nannies, cleaners and gardeners” without whom London could hardly function.
What elitist arrogance! As if most people employ nannies, cleaners and gardeners. And what ignorance. The argument that Britain is better off with this level of immigration has been conclusively shown to be economically illiterate.
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But the most shattering revelation was that this policy of mass immigration was not introduced to produce nannies or cleaners for the likes of Neather. It was to destroy Britain’s identity and transform it into a multicultural society where British attributes would have no greater status than any other country’s.
A measure of immigration is indeed good for a country. But this policy was not to enhance British culture and society by broadening the mix. It was to destroy its defining character altogether.
It also conveniently guaranteed an increasingly Labour-voting electorate since, as a recent survey by the Electoral Commission has revealed, some 90 percent of black people and three-quarters of Asians vote Labour.
In Neather’s hermetically sealed bubble, the benefits of mass immigration were so overwhelming he couldn’t understand why ministers had been so nervous about it.
They were, he wrote, reluctant to discuss what increased immigration would mean, above all to Labour’s core white working class vote. So they deliberately kept it secret.
They knew that if they told the truth about what they were doing, voters would rise up in protest. So they kept it out of their election manifestos.
It was indeed a conspiracy to deceive the electorate into voting for them. And yet it is these very people who have the gall to puff themselves up in self-righteous astonishment at the rise of the BNP.
No wonder Jack Straw was so shifty on last week’s Question Time when he was asked whether it was the Government’s failure to halt immigration which lay behind increasing support for the BNP.
Now we know it was no such failure of policy. It was deliberate. For the government of which Straw is such a long- standing member had secretly plotted to flood the country with immigrants to change its very character and identity.
This more than any other reason is why Nick Griffin has gained so much support. According to a YouGov poll taken after Question Time, no fewer than 22 per cent of British voters would “seriously consider” voting for the BNP.
That nearly one quarter of British people might vote for a neo-Nazi party with views inimical to democracy, human rights and common decency is truly appalling.
The core reason is that for years they have watched as their country’s landscape has been transformed out of all recognition – and that politicians from all mainstream parties have told them first that it isn’t happening and second, that they are racist bigots to object even if it is.
Now the political picture has been transformed overnight by the unguarded candor of Andrew Neather’s eye-opening superciliousness. For now we know that Labour politicians actually caused this to happen – and did so out of total contempt for their own core voters.
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Condemned out of its own mouth, it is New Labour that is responsible for the rise of the BNP — by an act of unalloyed treachery to the entire nation.
(Cross Posted at Holger Awakens)
What a bunch of dumbasses!
Once again.
Again,Cloward Piven British style,perhaps an unintended consequence.Overwhelm the system with service demands,destroy the middle class.
Ornery Elephant! Good post.
Ah, the July 7th attacks, Behead Those That Insult Islam, all that fun talk about sharia law, a job well done!
Yet another leftists’ attempt at social engineering blows up in their snouts. Will they ever learn that human beings are not inanimate matter, and thus are off-limits to asinine experiments? I swear, the more “progressive” asininity I see, the more convinced I become that they are sociopathic mutants.
Very slightly off topic.
New fault discovery brings Memphis HELL EARTHQUAKE closer
As Arizona super-mega cold/Denver area snow comes Eastward and meets warm and humid air off a Gulf untouched by hurricanes (see, a silver lining) Texas/Louisiana/Arkansas TORNADO & FLOOD HELL STORM!
There are always unintended consequences when bad decisions are made.
Always.
Car bomb kills 91 in Pakistan.
re: #8 by vagabond trader
link:
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091028/D9BK367O1.html
gimme a peanut
Excellent post, OE! Though the only part that surprises me is that someone actually admitted that it was/is deliberate.
The same thing is true here, I think, but no one has yet had the guts to admit it. Or made the mistake of doing so, take your pick.
re: #8 by vagabond trader
Terrorism is no longer a problem. Pointing it out is Islamophobic. The West is probably to blame.
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Considering how hostile Britain has become towards Israel, Zionism, Jews etc. I guess we are seeing the fruits of that stupid policy. I wonder in thier heart of hearts if the British think it was a good idea to pend their doors to all those Pakistanis.
Good morning blog-o-philes… interesting topic.
Labor fucked over its traditional constituency, the white working class, much as Democrats here screw the working class by consistently siding with loud, wealthy pressure groups-e.g. teachers’ unions and yuppie environmentalists.
re: #13 by Speranza
Hi Speranza!
It always stuns me to think of how Europe eliminated most of its assimilated peace loving productive Jews and now have ignorant seperatist 3rd world immigrants to replace them.
Rodan, you’re on a roll.
I saw this coming two years ago. And don’t be surprised if the basic dynamic is repeated in a number of other European countries, because the recipe is the same, and they’ve all got these same issues playing out.
In the US, we have a variation on the theme: instead of the socialists wanting legal immigration to bolster their numbers, we have the Democrats wanting illegal immigration and they want to give non-citizens, even illegal ones, the right to vote.
The other element that we have is a nominal opposition party that refuses to speak of the issue that shall not be spake.
The Democrats are setting us up, and the Republicans are running cover for them, and if Pat Buchanan rises from the ashes, it’ll be on the Demopublicans.
Enforce the freeking law.
Also, see: Weimar Republic, The.
That didn’t turn out too well, either.
re: #16 by vagabond trader
It always stuns me to think of how Europe eliminated most of its assimilated peace loving productive Jews and now have ignorant seperatist 3rd world immigrants to replace them.
It’s sort of like New York City knocking down the magnificent Penn Station in the early ’60s, and then—to “rectify” this act of vandalism—attempting to build a “new Penn Station” by committing further vandalism on the surviving companion building, the central post office.
Don’t think that this is solely a European problem.
Meanwhile France is finding its gonads.Better late than never.I guess.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1223037/France-launch-national-pride-campaign-battle-Islamic-fundamentalism.html#ixzz0VEwUHqN0
re: #11 by Empire1
I’ve heard it said that Liberals are one step thinkers.
This would be a perfect example of it.
They took the one step thought of believing that multiculturalism in this fashion would be beneficial, but thereafter didn’t take step 2, 3…. thinking to see if it was good in general, what effect it would have, etc.
This is coming to our own shores. Risking being accused of xenophobia (although falsely) I ask the following question(s)
When did forced “multi-CULTURALISM” (not multi-ethnic makeup of the Country) become an American value?
Aren’t we all supposed to be part of the melting pot of Americanism?
I am an American Jew, not a Jew who lives in America.
Hi Everyone..
Just wanted to say that growing up in England at the time I did, it was one of the lovliest places in the world.
Everyone was happy and there was a true feeling of community and security!
Now it`s slowly sinking into the sea with a very large family of mine still stuck there…
I for one would like to see the brains behind this IDIOTIC idea…strung up by their Buster Browns and left there to rot.
It`s only fair, seeing as the rot has set in so bad over there, I no longer will even go to visit!
Treasonous Behavior!!!
re: #16 by vagabond trader
yes they traded law abiding, assimilated Jews for Muslims. A bad trade indeed!
re: #21 by vagabond trader
Wouldn’t it be ironic if the French ended up being the saviors of the West?
re: #19 by buzzsawmonkey
Interesting analogy. The old place was beautiful, what a travesty.
Multi-culturalism my @ss, now it`s not safe to walk the streets there!
Bloody Fools!!!
The Left, especially the media, gets away with this by using intellectual terrorism. Want to preserve your culture? Raaacist! Want to secure your borders? Raaacist! Don’t think the country should be flooded with Salafist mosques preaching hate and jihad? Raaaacist! Bigot! Pig! Child-molester! shun shun shun shun shun
re: #23 by Lolly Gator
Even in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s London was still a fine place. Last time I was there I was amazed how unBritish the “Flower of all Citties” had become.
Wow… Never had a front row seat to the end of a civilization before. Why does it seem that western civ is trying so hard to kill itself. We don’t need the islamic barabarians at the gates. We have our own people opening the gates and letting them in to rape and pilliage…
re: #22 by WrathofG-d
Around the same time “diversity” for its own sake became one.
The overriding reason Democrats favor open borders, amnesty, and illegal alien voting privileges. Many Hispanics are conservative but recent immigrants with family still south of the border are very much pro Democrat.
re: #25 by The Osprey
It could be said they saved us during the Revolution.France has a very large Islamic minority, sounds like Sarkozy is stirring it up.
Without borders under control you do not have a country.
The border with Mexico is wide open, little or no control.
If you seek knowledge of the final result and how it goes when this is so,, get this book.
APACHE by Will Levington Comfort
January 1931
Life of Apache,, Mangus Colorados
The Apache Nation lost this land to unlimited illegal immagration.
You Americans are now the new Apache.
re: #22 by WrathofG-d
If you’re a xenophobe, well, so am I. Multi-ethnicism is just fine, and cultural enclaves aren’t bad as long as their residents are generally assimilated into the national culture.
Multi-culturalism (as it is preached by the liberals,anyway), however, is national suicide sooner or later.
HEY HEY HO HO
WESTERN CIV HAS GOT TO GO
Then we can craft a New Man and a New Order on the clean slate! Marx-Marcuse-Mao. With a heavy emphasis on the Mao.
Some places in Great Britain are already so overly sensitive that ‘Piglet’ is banned, and a sharia court can rule on cases where both parties agree.
How long will it be before there’s pressure for Islamic dress codes for women, so Muslim men aren’t offended? How long before ONE party pushing for judgement before a Sharia court is enough to, at the very least, have a say in a final ruling? How long before a rape is defended because, as an Imam in Australia (?) said a couple years ago, ‘they’re asking for it’ by the victim’s ‘immodest’ dress?
re: #26 by vagabond trader
I’m not so much equating buildings with people, as trying to show that the principle of “we’ll rectify our former appalling lapse of judgment by committing a new one, and pretend that makes it all better” is something that operates across the board.
re: #35 by Empire1
That’s a feature, not a bug.
re: #34 by taxfreekiller
I read you loud and clear.
re: #29 by Speranza
I know, it`s truly sad…
Terrible where i came from, which is from the north….The Penines.
Seems like there are more moslems than whites, blacks, all the other races combined.
Gangs parade in the parks and other places and wait to beat people, they use coffee table legs, whatever they can.
Once it`s an Islamic neighbourhood, don`t dare be caught in their zone.
They will beat you!!!
You Racist!
/ predicting the 1.0 response.
re: #41 by Lolly Gator
All those lovely villages up north are now populated with burkha wearing chattel? Oh say it isn’t so!
I’m not surprised at this. And the forces that hatched this scheme in the UK are alive and well in the Democrat party here in the US for the exact same reasons. They would love to have a similar situation so Democrat majorities are guaranteed forever. Obama and his anti-American fellow travellers are cut from the same cloth and their British conterparts.
“You Americans are now the new Apache.”
Like that, tfk.
re: #32 by Rancher
When the donkeys openly bribe them with everything from free health care to free educations, well yes.
Illegal immigrants are our version of Europe’s legal immigrants. Only ours are against the law, and the pols don’t care.
re: #43 by vagabond trader
I`m afraid it is so, the British people are not happy.
Life is just not the same anymore.
In my day it was more like what James Harriet wrote about!
Today you`d never know how beautiful it all once was!
re: #38 by buzzsawmonkey
How can the fix it if they don’t break it first?
re: #22 by WrathofG-d
Remember, Liberals want credit for their “good” intentions. They will not assume credit for the disasters that follow their good intentions. Truly they are insane.
re: #47 by Lolly Gator
How sad, glad I saw Yorkshire during the 70s, wonderful place.
re: #49 by Proud Infidel
By the time the disaster comes, they can find a Republican to blame it on.
re: #41 by Lolly Gator
When I lived in Cambridge, in the early ’60s, it was, if not Paradise, close to it. You could have a real early-20th-century Penrod-style childhood in England back then.
re: #50 by vagabond trader
Yep, that`s where I`m from…Yorkshire.
I`m so glad you saw it the way I remember it to be….now it`s just sad.
The culture is being broken down, it may have seemed slow at first, but it`s full speed now!
re: #17 by snork
This is the smoking Gun of the Progressive-Islamic Alliance.
OE did a great find with this!
18 Charles
Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:27:49am replyquote 2downupreport
For some reason, I haven’t been able to find any statements by Hoffman on creationism or “intelligent design.” But from the people who’ve endorsed him, I’d be surprised if he isn’t a creationist as well.
Good Lord. Grasping at straws here or what? Like Hoffman needs to make his views on those subjects clear to Mr. Johnson?
The GOP can’t do anything. Just like the Tories can’t do anything.
The Destruction Generation has won.
Now, our job is to keep fighting. Our hope is to slow the destruction down. Because you never know what can happen. The only way you know for sure is if you just give up.
re: #55 by NoThreat2U
LOL! Oh noes a creationist out to destroy science!!!!!
Meanwhile,selrahC fiddles.
re: #55 by NoThreat2U
Chaz just seems to love that six degrees of seperation logic doesn`t he.
So if I have gay friends that speak well of me, then by his logic…
I`m gay too!
re: #13 by Speranza
Brits do not like their country overrun with immigrants who have no intention of assimilating. Muslims are doing in Britain what they do everywhere. Agitating to push their backward Koranic agenda. Most are not open to western values except to use them to achieve dominance.
Britain needs to stop Muslim immigration NOW.
And so do we.
re: #49 by Proud Infidel
The disaster will come because Republicans didn’t fall in line fast enough, or because their ‘good intentions’ didn’t go far enough. We weren’t sensitive ENOUGH to the anger & frustration whatever aggreived group was feeling and we need to go even further to appease them.
re: #55 by NoThreat2U
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition…
I just love wading into that pool of insanity…it gives me a thrill. lol
re: #55 by NoThreat2U
ROFL !
Chucky loves his tidy little boxes.
re: #59 by chickadee
Agreed, if the English had their way….they`d send `em packing!
re: #31 by lobo91
Unfortunately I think you are right. This issue conflates numerous issues I have with popular Progressivism, and why I am no longer a Democrat.
As your correctly state, they have a “for its own sake” attitude. This goes along with what I have heard called the “one-step thinking” of the Left. They want change for its own sake, multiculturalism for its own sake, and progress for its own sake. They care, or at least think, not for the results or effects of their “change” or “progress” (a debatable term).
American Multiculturalism is a horrible thing. The idea is not to split the Country into different cultural groups, but instead to melt those different cultures into America.
Had Britain done any second-step thinking, they could have very easily seen the outcome they are experiencing now. They took in a myriad of veryculturally unique (to Britain at least) immigrants, then made no expectation or demand on them that they assimilate to any degree into British society. In fact, when the red flags were raised, and they noticed that the immigrants’ unique culture was directly conflicting with British values, they bent their own values, and accommodated their immigrants. Had they been dealing with an accommodating bunch, (and possibly this point only applies to the type of Immigrants we are now discussing) these crumbs or compassion might have been acceptable. However, as is evident from thousands of years of Islamic immigration, and political history, they do not accommodate well – especially when it comes to lessening their Islamic dogma, or commitment to their Islamic traditions. Unfortunately, this fact applied to Britain today as well.
Thus, at the point where the red flags were obvious, and Britain’s good intentions were rebuked, it was incumbent on England to learn from their mistake and change directions. Like all Leftist/Progressives however, they instead buried their collective head in the ground and stuck to their failed feel-good policies and doubled down.
This is exactly why they find themselves in the trouble that they are having now.
Israel made the similar mistake.
I fear that the United States is going in the same direction as well. We are clinging to our failed assumptions, and emotional policies of step-one thinking on multiculturalism, etc. Similarly, we will find ourselves with the same predicament in the not too distant future. The unfortunate, yet natural result once a Country has gone that far, is what you are seeing in England with the BNP, and organizations like them.
If we do not do something less extreme, and more intelligent NOW to stop these issues in the U.S. we will face the same result as England.
Unfortunately, we allow the Progressives in our Country (whose strength comes only from our acquiescence) to guilt the U.S. out of taking the necessarily, limited steps NOW to keep us from having to resort to horrible necessities in the future.
Mostly OT: Rebuilding The Soviet Union
40 DaddyG
Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:38:09am replyquote 2downupreport
Huh? Why are representatives from CA, SC and KS endorsing anyone in a race from NY? I would resent that if I were a resident of the state having the election.
Look around you idiot…Teh One has been stumping around for folks lately too. Doesn’t he have more important things to worry about? And I resent his stumping…let the people choose who they want, not who the government wants. Dammit!
I got an email from loppyd this morning (good to have finally connected with her again on this blog after almost a year) and her comments on Chaz (with her permission) are:
“My take on Chaz is he knows deep in his heart that he fucked up and he is so mad that his plan didn’t work that he went into a full blown go down in a blaze of glory mode….and since that is even backfiring he is resorting to stalking other blogs’ comments for traffic.”
re: #55 by NoThreat2U
Charles works hard to make sure that, despite the First Amendment rights of individuals, only HIS religious views on the origins of the universe are taught.
Fuck Multiculturalism.
re: #65 by WrathofG-d
Amen.
re: #58 by Lolly Gator
Close, but no.
See, you post here…. so therefore that gay friend of yours is self-hating…. because you post here.
THAT’S 1.0 logic.
Lamentations.
I wonder how many creationists in the House and Senate voted money for America’s nuclear programs, for the space program, and for all the other programs that helped make the US dominant in scientific progress during the second half of the 20th century?
A surprisingly large number, I’d bet.
re: #64 by Lolly Gator
It’s heartbreaking to hear how the Brits are getting whacked around today.
Obama Not Comfortable With Women in Basketball, Golf … or Anywhere Else
re: #69 by LanceKates
Like this mans stance on creationism is what should be the determining factor in the election! OMG That is just ridiculous! I wonder if Patton was a creationist? That would change the whole scope of the war /////
What an ass.
Melanie Phillips has a couple of blogs on the Neather admissions. At the spectator. She is always worth reading.
re: #72 by LanceKates
LOL!
re: #74 by buzzsawmonkey
Serious question: Who gives a sh*t? I don’t. Really, I don’t. I don’t see how one’s personal beliefs in how the universe came into being as conducive to national security. lol
re: #68 by Speranza
We have replaced CAIR, Hamas, et al as the enemy.
re: #78 by Overlook
She is first rate!
re: #74 by buzzsawmonkey
The better question is, can you find any evidence whatsoever that any creationists took a stand against any of these programs for reasons having to do with creationism?
The biggest foes of science and technology are the atheist-driven Luddite-Malthusian axis. Yes, selrehC, stick that in your crack pipe and blow asswhistle.
re: #75 by chickadee
It`s heartbreaking and it is a hot button issue with me.
I once loved that little Island and was once proud of what it stood for.
It has had an impact on my entire family over there…..it`s a very large family too.
They hate what`s happening and they dispair for their children!
Instead of a thread on the bombing in Pakistan he has Steele Continues Backing Scozzafava.
re: #77 by NoThreat2U
One of the differences between conservatives and liberals is that the conservatives holds to their views and lets you have yours. The liberal holds to their views and makes sure that the government follows their views with total precision, regardless of any Constitutional rights.
No, it does not matter if a politician believes in evolution or creation….. what matters is whether or not they’re going to try to use their office to influence legislation to push their views…. if so, liberal.
I don’t care if the politician is trying to push MY moral or religious views…. it isn’t the job of the federal government, even when it benefits me.
One of those ‘principle’ things that I catch hell for standing on.
re: #65 by WrathofG-d
The problem is also the Nature of the Immigrants. They are Muslism and Muslism are loyal to the Dar al islam, not their nation state.
Ironically Progressives are the same way. They are loyal to the Global Village and not their nations state. It’s why Islam and Leftists are allies!
The phony quotes keep coming
re: #76 by snork
Why can’t a woman
Be more like a man?
Take a look at my own wife
The lovely Michelle
Her stance is so mannish
You barely can tell
She bore two lovely daughters
But she’s butch as butch can be
Why can’t a woman
Be like she?
—from the White House amateur production of “My Fair Lady”
re: #76 by snork
It’s tolerable to be beaten by a man. Not by a woman.
On the other hand, there is more glory in beating a man than a woman.
Title 9 was a stupid idea.
Women in combat not such a good one either.
And as usual, you have to agree 100% with CJ to avoid being cast into the outer darkness. If any politico makes a statement, however vague, showing the tiniest sympathy for ID, he is suddenly a young-earth creationist, anti-science theocrat. Eeeek!
71 Charles
Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:55:01am replyquote 5downupreport
re: #46 Green Machine
I think we need to give him the benefit of the doubt as we have Obama. Considering some of the folks that Obama has associated with for 20 years or more. Ya think?
When a politician is running for office, that’s exactly the time that you don’t give him “the benefit of the doubt.”
My frakkiin’ head just exploded. lol
# 70 chickadee
There really is a difference between blending in and adding richness and diversity to the mix and being the turd in the punchbowl, ruining the drink for everyone.
re: #80 by NoThreat2U
It’s a useful question because the inflation of creationism into a big gasbag bogey needs to be pinpricked.
Not that I support a literal six-day reading of Genesis, or think that religious material should be injected into science classes. I don’t. But this booga-booga about “creationism” has gone way, way beyond that.
Drive by comment. This from last night – Jimmah and Mandy:
re: #92 by NoThreat2U
I would appreciate it if you used the blockquote (they can be nested) so that it’s clear who said what. Did Chuckles really say that when you’re running for office, your associations should be scrutinized?
Jaw hits floor…
re: #86 by LanceKates
All I was trying to say is that if someone approached me to halp them get elected, my first quesiton to them would be What is your platform? Not, are you a creationist. There are more pressing issues when electing someone other than their stance on evofrakkinlution. It was just the stupidest comment I have ever seen from him.
And people are entitled to their own beliefs, as long as they don’t enforce them on anyone else. I believe what I believe, many may disagree, but there are rules to be followed in upholding the law that cannot be crossed.
re: #94 by buzzsawmonkey
Why don’t we also go on a jihad against people who believe in astrology? That’ll clean out most of the moonbats.
re: #95 by Bunk X
…spraying the pee. P.I.S.S.I.N.G…
re: #98 by snork
Bad horoscope, eh?
re: #55 by NoThreat2U
Obviously for Chaz, “creationism” is the most important thing to be on the lookout for. Yes I noticed nothing about the bombing in Pakistan today.
re: #88 by snork
And Brown v Board of Ed. is one of those iconic cases that are generally believed to have been seminal in the dismantling of racist institutions.
It should be scrutinized, both for its facts, expert psychological “studies”, it reasoning, its remedies and its aftermath.
There would have been many good reasons – none racist – to have dissented from the majority in that case.
re: #95 by Bunk X
Why Mandy stays there is beyond me.
re: #98 by snork
Don’t you follow your Gramscian Whore-o-scope? What’s your sign?
re: #98 by snork
That is a scathingly brilliant idea…lol
The moonbats are everywhere,
I avoid whenever possible, it`s like talking to a robot…no, more like the BORG!
Snow and Lieberman are “unsure” about the public option?!?!
Earth to constituents….
re: #83 by snork
and he could blow asswhistle because asswhistle is…..
re: #96 by snork
I don’t know how. Sorry. But yes, he really daid that.
re: #87 by Rodan
I thought I sort of touched on that in my post, but you are correct. Some immigrant groups are more than happy to assimilate into their host communities. The Jewish community is a perfect example of this (and to be honest one I lament a bit) as they nearly completely assimilated into American society during the large amount of immigration in the 1800s – going as far as changing their names, throwing out Judaism, etc.
When I read your post, regarding the “Progressives” I automatically thought of the Churchill quote regarding feeding the crocodile.
The more I think about it, the more 1.0 reminds me of the BORG!
Once they get you, you must be assimilated…
Chaz pleasing only, or your thrown out of the ship as refuse.
re: #110 by Lolly Gator
I am assweasel of Borg…
re: #93 by RickZ
LOL
re: #99 by snork
The funny part was that the scholars at 1.0 were discussing whether or not the slang term “butthurt” was offensive or not.
Something On Topic of the Off Topic Taking Place Now: Science, G-d, Faith, Belief…
Spiritual Molecules
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/82889/jewish/Spiritual-Molecules.htm
re: #111 by mfhorn
LOL!
re: #110 by Lolly Gator
Check this dialog out. A blog of this calibre?
446 albusteve10/27/2009 8:09:13 pm PDT
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re: #435 Jimmah
Why don’t you intercept moronic braincrashes like this before they reach your keyboard?
your ‘butt hurt’ fantasy and the imagery you delightfully conjure is hardly appropriate for a blog of this calibre…thousands of people read this blog and just because you want the verbal attention does not mean it’s a good thing overall…plus you sound like some silly punk in a rest stop bathroom
Brigitte Bardot fined £12,000 for racial hatred after claiming Muslims are destroying France
French film star Brigitte Bardot was today convicted of provoking discrimination and racial hatred for writing that Muslims are destroying France.
A Paris court also handed down a €15,000 ($11,920) fine against the former screen siren turned animal rights campaigner.
A leading French anti-racism group known as MRAP filed a lawsuit last year over a letter Bardot, 73, sent to then-Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkoz
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1023969/Brigitte-Bardot-fined-12-000-racial-hatred-claiming-Muslims-destroying-France.html#ixzz0VGSMtxVv
re: #93 by RickZ
YES!
A ‘melting pot’ means that sure, you add to the richness of the American culture by bringing your food, your celebrations, your music and your language, while also TAKING FROM that same melting pot the food, celebrations, music & language that generations of others before you have brought.
re: #117 by Grimcargo
If I could afford to, I’d pay the fine for her. In the equivalent of pennies.
Nowadays, “melting pot” applies to burning off your fat at the gym to get six-pack abs, rather than to becoming part of the larger society.
This is great. NYC bar owner tells Muzz where to go over serving of liquor across from mosque.
http://gothamist.com/2009/10/28/muslims_request_to_move_bar_laughed.php
National Right To Work Committee attacks Newt Gingrich!
http://jumpinginpools.blogspot.com/2009/10/national-right-to-work-committee.html
re: #109 by WrathofG-d
The city where I live was approached by orthodox Jews to request that the City agree to allow an eruv. The fact by rabbinic law the city had to be approached and give consent shows the extent to which Jews recognize the host authority. There is a tension between the Jewish recognition of the secular host authority – which makes assimiliation to the legal system possible – and the orthodox staying true to Jewish law, which keeps the Jews from losing their identity through assimilation.
BTW, the first eruv attempt was turned down.
# 116 Speranza
‘Blog of this calibre’. LOL! Delusions of importance. I guess that calibre is now a BB, or maybe the cork in a popgun.
re: #116 by Speranza
A blog of this caliber, LMBHO. Laugh my butt hurt off!
Talk about delusional.Whew!
re: #116 by Speranza
WOW!!!
Are they all taking bad drugs now?
Such Class!!!
re: #120 by buzzsawmonkey
With their roots in the 1960s stupid culture, you would think that “The Progressives” would be more into melting pot.
re: #117 by Grimcargo
Old enough to know what really matters.
# 103 Speranza
Personally, I don’t know why she stays, either, but I’m glad she does. Better her there than here.
re: #89 by buzzsawmonkey
and besides that she’s got some long ass arms.
re: #123 by Overlook
The biggest opponents of an eruv are usually less-religious Jews, who feel threatened by the presence of Orthodox Jews and fear that an eruv will result in an increase in the Orthodox presence.
re: #113 by Bunk X
Yeah I noticed that. Jimmah and asswhistle have the collective IQ of an ashtray.
re: #130 by Grimcargo
She could easily snap Hussein in two. Bet hes skeeerd of her.
re: #132 by Speranza
And the moronic malice of rabid bushmasters.
re: #119 by mfhorn
She was in trouble before that because of her stance on EID holiday for muslims where they murder animals and let blood run down the streets.
re: #116 by Speranza
446 albusteve10/27/2009 8:09:13 pm PDT
“…thousands of people read this blog”
Lighten up, Francis. It’s fewer and fewer every day.
re: #125 by vagabond trader
126. Lolly Gator
When I saw that I almost spewed my cold coffee form this morning onto my computer screen.
re: #132 by Speranza
But of course,they are one and the same. Jimmah getting in touch with his inner bitch.
re: #129 by RickZ
I like Mandy. She’s sweet. And if she’s become more profane in recent months, that’s perfectly understandable.
re: #126 by Lolly Gator
We warned them about the brown kool aide.
re: #117 by Grimcargo
WOW, unless I missed something exceptionally important, that article is just frightening.
She was fined because of a private letter she sent to a Government official.
That alone is mind boggling, and scary. (Not to get into the facts that Muslims, um I mean “asian youths” can riot all over France, and openly call for France’s destruction without issue)
re: #132 by Speranza
I still believe asswhistle is Charlie Johnson
re: #136 by Russkilitlover
Most of those are people like me looking to have a laugh at the morons over there.
I notice that Irish Rose is appearing less and less over there. I guess she finally realized that asswhistle runs the show over there.
re: #116 by Speranza
So many posters believe that the virtual space they plop their thoughts down in is somehow an important historical document that will be perused by posterity and so must therefore pass some kind of muster.
Ludicrous.
Aha, opines a future historian, Albusteve provides a voice of sanity to redeem this web site from the garbage bin of history.
re: #137 by Speranza
I need a drink, a nice Kettel 1 Bloody Mary.
re: #142 by Grimcargo
Not possible. The man hates socks so much he doesn’t even wear them. We have his word for that.
re: #144 by Overlook
I love it when lefties fight amongst each other.
re: #142 by Grimcargo
I’ll lay down a double sawbuck on Jimmah.
re: #141 by WrathofG-d
I personally believe Nicolas Sarkozy will get the Geert Wilders treatment before too long. He is the lonesome rider.
re: #84 by Lolly Gator
What are they thinking and saying? Are they hopeful at all?
re: #143 by Speranza
Perhaps the Swede took her away from all the madness.
re: #138 by vagabond trader
Jimmah and asswhistle are two different people. I think that if anyone is Chaz’s squeeze it is asswhistle. He gives her more freedom to bully on his blog then you would think he would (being such a control freak).
re: #125 by vagabond trader
I laughed so hard, my butt hurts.
re: #145 by vagabond trader
I just put on a pot of coffee. The Bloody Mary sounds better.
re: #148 by vagabond trader
Probadly both of them. One thing is for sure.They got all of it there. They know everything. Killgore Sprout is the chief scotland yard detective. They have scientists…God they got it all.
re: #152 by Speranza
He’s probably tapping her.
re: #131 by buzzsawmonkey
You’re right.
A Jews called in the local TV show where the rabbi was being interviewed and aggressively invited the rabbi to “evolve”!
My point though was that assimilation into the legal system is crucial. Jews can. Muslims not so easily.
re: #127 by WrathofG-d
You’d think so. Not really the case, the majority of them seem to latch onto multiculturalism then distort it from what it’s actually supposed to be. It can work, if done properly, it can turn a shitty place into a good place and add a uniqueness as well.
Melting pots are fine in my book too, it’s much like the assimilation orthodoxy which the US was founded on.
But living in Canada land, it’s pretty easy to see two contrasting points between east/west coast on how multiculturalism works and failed here. Compare GTA to BC mainland, to Quebec. But the second in a multicultural society that you take the highly selective because: “they’re insert group here and we need to fill a quota” there’s going to be issues. That was one of the first things Canada learned. Nasty business.
re: #92 by NoThreat2U
He makes it up as he goes along. lol
re: #146 by buzzsawmonkey
Now I know what happened to his brain. He farted in his pantyhose.
re: #139 by buzzsawmonkey
Dude. Get your taste buds checked out. Something ain’t right with your tongue.
re: #154 by chickadee
Hold the coffee. I’ll mix up a pitcher chickadee!
re: #144 by Overlook
Except that, too will go down the hole.
re: #161 by snork
I don’t know why Mandy is such a favored whipping-boy here, but I think the ire is misplaced.
re: #151 by vagabond trader
LOl! Yes that stud Lars is going to bring her to a better place. If he is so wealthy by the way – WTF is he doing in Michigan?
I like Mandy a lot, too. And she was fun on threads. It’s tough to see her operate under a gag order, though.
# 121 vagabond trader
The Spotted Pig is pretty good. Too bad they didn’t name the new place The Spotted Pig II, just for more local color. Love this comment from the owner:
Not all New Yorkers are dhimmis.
re: #164 by buzzsawmonkey
She is not a whipping gal just curious as to why she would remain on such an anti conservative blog.
Not that I care but she also has a truck driver mouth.
re: #165 by Speranza
Must have inherited!
re: #165 by Speranza
LARS I bet only some of that is true..LARDASS
is more like it.
re: #157 by Overlook
Us Latins integrate and intermarry wherever vwe go!
That’s why we spread around!
re: #167 by RickZ
Love it, if I were closer would pop in for a drink. Or two.
re: #121 by vagabond trader
This is the Muslim idea of Multiculturalism.
They come here and start demanding and agitating.
We can’t give them an inch because they don’t stop until they have it all.
# 139 buzzsawmonkey
It’s not her profanity. Hell, I’m profane. I just find her to be a blithering idiot.
re: #164 by buzzsawmonkey
I didn’t say she was a bad person, but when I read what she writes, salty comes to mind. You only have four choices on the tongue, the other two being bitter and sour. Many of the others there are those. Or of the four, salty isn’t that bad.
Practically speaking, Mandy is on a short list of persona non grata here due to issues between her and the blog owner. She’d have to apologize, and that’s just not her way. I don’t think she’d fit in at C2, either. She really belongs at Table 9.
re: #168 by Speranza
Nothing wrong per se with truck driver mouth. As to why she stays—well, that’s her affair. She will leave when it becomes unbearable.
People were wondering why I lingered as the place changed, and made all sorts of comments and downright unfriendly speculations. I had my reasons, and left in my own good time.
re: #164 by buzzsawmonkey
Its a two way street. She has made unkind remarks about us as well.Personally her reasons for staying at Bedlam rank up there with whether Hussein wears boxers or briefs.
i>re: #174 by RickZ
If she’d learn to open four windows and cut and paste she could be as intelligence as Shamwow
re: #171 by Rodan
You learned that trick from the Arabs.
re: #175 by snork
She’s not going any where. She has too much of an investment in LGF.
re: #123 by Overlook
Um, I fear my ignorance is showing. What’s an eruv?
re: #140 by vagabond trader
Yes we did, but you know what they say…
You can lead a horse to water….
re: #180 by Speranza
That didn’t help Realwest, now did it?
re: #176 by buzzsawmonkey
You were waiting for this blog to be formed, weren’t ya??
re: #162 by vagabond trader
OKAAAAAAAAAY.
re: #183 by snork
Unfortunately Real seems to have a bit of the stockholm syndrome going on.
re: #176 by buzzsawmonkey
Hey I go nothing against her personally but the few conservatives left – lawhawk, MandyManners, Ben Hur – you are spitting against the wind if you think that Chaz will change. He knows he fucked up with his original plan to turn Left and reap the benefits and allhe has reaped is ridicule form the Right and being ignored on the Left.
re: #177 by vagabond trader
Hey, I made unkind comments about the folks here when I was there, too. I’ve got some nice pejorative rhymes that I saved, too.
Part of that was believing all of the Proprietor’s claims about all the eeeeeevil that was going on here, before he’d shot his credibility to hell with his personal vendetta obsessions; part of sticking was a certain matador pride in being able to dodge the banning horns of the charging bullshit; part of it was feeling a certain bizarre obligation to provide a countervailing point of view to the increasing lunacy; part of it was the time it took to cull through several years of material and save it.
These were all good reasons, save perhaps the first—and even that had a certain logic at the beginning. So I’m not about to impugn Mandy or anyone else for staying until they’re ready to go; I would only wish, for their own health and self-respect, that they decide to jump off the Raft of the Medusa and strike out on their own before they come up in the cannibal rotation.
re: #167 by RickZ
Mmmmmmm, Laphroaig
re: #183 by snork
186. typicalwhitey
Instead of Stockholm Syndrome I compare it to Battered Wife Syndrome.
Mandy will be banned. I don’t think the three whatever they are like her one bit. Shamwow the head ho
Thank you for posting this Rodan..
Since we are not discussing the inanity of other blogs.
OT:
From Daily Kos http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/28/797882/-Cheers-and-Jeers:-Wednesday
Daily Kos ran this poll today, and I find the results to be quite telling.
But first the poll, then my comment.
From a far Left/Progessive Blog like Daily Kos, this type of result is not surprising. What it is however is quite telling. I might be overstating these results but they are quite typical and really show the mindset of the present Progressive – all emotion, no reality!
The choice that got the most votes was to “declare Victory and bring the troops home”.
Notice that the poll doesn’t ask if they actually want to win.
Actual victory isn’t necessary, nor are facts on the ground that evidence said victory – to the Progressive, only the declaration is important. As long as they feel good about it, damn the actual results/reality!
I also notice that there is no discussion of what leaving would mean, or what Victory would mean. But to the “Progressive” I guess these reality issues aren’t important,as long as they FEEL that they have won. (Ironicly, these are the same people who chide the Republicans for not having a clear plan and winning it)
This ties right into the actual topic of this Thread. In both instances, actual reality of the situation isn’t important or considered (nor are the results of their policies). You can see this thinking in Obama’s (another Progressive) tactics and methods as well.
They don’t mold their policies to fit reality, but instead are happy molding their reality to fit their policies. This is all done in theory only however, as reality never syncs up to their wide-eyed intentions, or hope, or desire about how life SHOULD be.
And facts be damned if they get in the way of their feelings about something….
I declare The Blogmocracy the most visited blog on the net! Woooo whooo accordingly, it must be so!
re: #188 by buzzsawmonkey
PLEASE tell me that you made one up about me!!!
re: #188 by buzzsawmonkey
“Part of that was believing all of the Proprietor’s claims about all the eeeeeevil that was going on here, ”
Dude you could have checked the place out for your self and not listened to that paunchy fascist. Did not his hard left turn bother you at all?
Huh?
This from the same guy who says that nothing in Obama’s background and associations is relevant?
Nothing surprises me any more.
re: #179 by snork
No we didn’t. We got this from our Roman ancestors. The Arab Savages go to countries and impose their culture. We have nothing to do with those Barbarian scumbags, they are our natural enemy and attempted to do genocide on us. We won and wiped them out of Spain.
FYI- Nver tell a Latin he has anything to do with Arabs.
Our heritage comes from Rome, not the Deserts of Arabis.
re: #185 by chickadee
Here you go my dear.I use organic vegetable juice,no fructose crap.As the song goes,its 5 o’ clock somewhere!
re: #188 by buzzsawmonkey
But some of those people over there are beneath contempt. I wouldn’t share a train with them.
re: #150 by chickadee
They are losing hope over there I`m afraid, as many as can are moving west.
Have a lot of family trying to get themselves over here.
Life isn`t getting any easier over there, companies are closing down and leaving…
It`s all sooo sad and unfair.
No way a whole country should have to change it`s habits and traditions….
Especially when the immigrants act like your the enemy.
They did move there.
Don`t think you`ll find too many English wanting to move to where the immigrants came from!
The British want their country back, but they`ll never get it!
re: #196 by snork
Is creationist his whistle word for Christian?
Why doesn’t e just say that the guy believes in God. He makes it like there is something wrong with him.
re: #196 by snork
Poor Chuckie as if anything he might say about ANY damm body would effect anything.
re: #195 by Speranza
What you call a “hard left turn” seemed to some of us a little more gradual. And, of course, there were all the tales of personal stalking and threats and the like from some of the founders here.
Now, I have no way of checking those last; I have no idea what the truth may be. But as I watched increasingly trivial fights being picked over increasingly trivial points, and increasingly lunatic blood feuds being declared over them, it became obvious that there were some screws loose in the formerly well-run engine room, and one started wondering what was happening on the bridge as well.
Try asking any voter standing in line if they have creationists on their mind when they vote.
I would welcome Mandy if she came here.
I can’t imagine how she puts up with the libtards shitting all over the place and no one picking it up.
It must stink so bad there now.
re: #201 by typicalwhitey
Creationst means someone who doesnt agree with Darwin. Charles is a hardcore Darwinist.
re: #203 by buzzsawmonkey
Buzz you could have stayed or left for whatever reason you wanted.
It’s your choice.
The real question is…did you make up a funny rhyme about ME??
That is the important question sheesh!!
re: #203 by buzzsawmonkey
But the real skulduggery was in the galley.
re: #188 by buzzsawmonkey
Many of us stayed overlong,trusted the blogtator and all his mad snarling about the stalker blog.Our best recruiter actually.I did not have much invested and simply drifted away, tho did feel obliged to perform a flounce after settling in here under a pseudo-nic.btw,it was a thread featuring Hitchens or Condell,cannot recall.
re: #203 by buzzsawmonkey
Oh yeah someone was stalking rose to..rightttt.
In their dreams. However,Chuckie shouldn’t worry about the people he banned stalking him. And he shouldn’t even worry about someone saying something about him. He should worry about those people he started things up with who will remain silent as to their intentions.
re: #175 by snork
As I’ve suggested before, the act of leaving the other place or being chucked out of it, should be taken as sufficient contrition for any silly posts in favour of it or against this one.
If her pride does not stop her from trying to post here, then the owner’s antagonism – righteous though it be – should not stand in her way.
I should like to see a mouth of that calibre – 45 at least – shooting off here.
Thanks for the fun this afternoon guys, gotta run for now.
Time to get my @ss in gear…
Take Care All…
God Bless….(hope to be back later)
TTFN!!
re: #199 by Grimcargo
True. But Mandy was/is not one of them. For that matter, I like Walter; I have also—unpopular as it may be to say it—had enjoyable and even informative exchanges with Cato the Elder and Ludwig.
The inner-circle sycophant gang is something else entirely.
re: #198 by vagabond trader
How refreshing. Thanks {vt}.
re: #207 by typicalwhitey
I regret to say that I don’t think so. If I find one when perusing the archives I’ll let you know.
Later Lolly!
re: #211 by Overlook
More like a spud gun, but I get the point.
She could probably deliver a pretty juicy flounce, too, and nobody would notice.
re: #214 by chickadee
Cheers!
umm umm umm
re: #203 by buzzsawmonkey
The tipping point for me (and I had not posted since December 2008) was when I was lurking in April and the idiotic “Obama did not bow and if he did then Bush did too” shit came up. That was it for me.
re: #196 by snork
But under Charles’ own “absence of evidence is evidence of absence” rule – so manfully deployed in support of Van JOnes – Hoffman is exonerated.
I feel this article is the smoking Gun of the Leftist-Islamic alliance.
re: #213 by buzzsawmonkey
you know,no matter what else Cato has said or ever will say, I hold in contempt anyone who says such vile things about children or women.As he did about Sarah Palin. He is despictable.
I have not one thing against Mandy even though I do not appreciate people who kowtow
COW TAH hell
re: #213 by buzzsawmonkey
I just learned yesterday that Ludwig wasn’t a complete idiot, but I wouldn’t presume anything from him to be of value. Cato’s an asshole, but he’s usually right.
re: #219 by Speranza
Thats about when I split too. The G-d bashing and Obama love was getting too thick for my tastes.Much friendlier here too imho.
re: #222 by Grimcargo
Oh, I kowtowed; I handed out updings to the Proprietor to stall the Club while I was in the process of going through my posts.
I knew that these burnt offerings upon the Altar of Ego would assuage a jealous god.
re: #203 by buzzsawmonkey
I’d agree with the ‘gradual turn’. I’d enjoyed posting there for a bit over a year, and had sent threads to some friends. One of them finally took a good look at the discussion on whatever I’d sent him and said ‘I’ll pass on that site.’ Rob had moved a LONG ways to the right in the time I’ve known him, and after really reading the anger that’s become the norm at 1.0, I had to leave.
UpChuck used to have some kind of a separate chat room, and I’d visited there once or twice and hadn’t been impressed with what was being said. Maybe I just didn’t see the turn in his attitude as well as the posters there.
Totalitarian Sharians should not be considered a religion in the traditional sense of separation of church and state.
OT: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/10/28/catholic-league-blasts-larry-david-curb-episode-urinates-jesus/
HBO shouldn’t be pissing on Jesus unless they are also pissing on the Koran.
re: #224 by vagabond trader
Thats about when I split too. The G-d bashing and Obama love was getting too thick for my tastes.Much friendlier here too imho.
he was so freaking stubborn over the bowing thing and even his ass kissers were disagreeing with him, that’s when I learned that he will never, ever admit to being wrong on anything and that I also realized that he was a not very intelligent man.
re: #225 by buzzsawmonkey
Well at least there was a purpose in it.
That’s different I guess.
What Britian could have done, and America used to do, is say to the poor of the world: “We have created a culture here to rival few if any in quality of life, peace, and security. If you’d like to improve you life, you can come and join us, provided you adopt our values, work at least enough to pay your keep, submit to our laws, and be grateful for the opportunity. If you feel your culture is superior to ours and don’t want to change it, stay in your squalor and live in peace.”
Instead, the (or the liberal leaders) basically said, “We are so guilty over our imperialism, we need to take in as many immigrants as want to come, from cultures the most unlike ours, and adapt to them as much as required rather than the other way around. This will make use better people, and will make up for our oft-detailed sins against the planet and sundry minorities.”
No wonder that’s not working out so hot.
Would he piss on an image of Obama?
It must be nerve wreaking to try and hang in there with a paranoid idiot like Chuckie.Trying to agree with everything he says and the next time it’s a different thing.
With that I got horses waiting for me. Have a good day everyone.
re: #215 by buzzsawmonkey
Don’t let that stop ya…….make one up now LOL
re: #204 by Grimcargo
“Try asking any voter standing in line if they have creationists on their mind when they vote.”
Not one of the conservatives I met while working for that God awful McCain mentioned creationism or abortion to me. They all knew that McCain was a squish but we wanted to prevent Obama from becoming commander-in-chief.
re: #219 by Speranza
I remember when in 2008 during the primaries, when Charles called Huckabee a leftists. Now he is Far Right, boy have times have changed!
re: #232 by Grimcargo
Bye Grimcargo!
One of the final straws for me was when CJ dug in like a badger concerning the definition of “bowing”. He rampaged for several days with yet another thread to prove his point that both Zero and Pres. Bush had prostrated themselves before the Saudi King. At that point no one except his dedicated suck ups agreed with him.
And then he did a similar thing with defending Van Jones. Making up the wildest possible scenarios that could explain or refute the allegation that the commie was a troofer.
Too much down right nuttiness. Way above and beyond the call of duty for someone unless they were pushing an agenda, and at that point CJ clearly was.
re: #213 by buzzsawmonkey
No. Let us not draw the line at anyone from there. Bootlickers should be welcome: the poison drippers like Freetoken; the dull and the ditzy; the screamers and needlers. Most welcome of all to post here should be Charles.
Open the market place of ideas. Let blogmocracy reflect America – nay, the world.
re: #230 by Nikis Knight
The problem is the Muslim Immigrants. The Indians, Latins and East Europeans aren’t causing a problem in the UK, it’s the Muslims. Islam is a Transnationalist Ideology that does not adapt to to a host country.
I remember that everytime I turned on my computer the FIRST page I went to was lgf.
Couldn’t wait to see what was going on.
I just sorta drifted away, got busy after the election and then found out I was banned when I tried to log in after posting on ace.
Hadn’t been on the blog in so long that I didnt know that it was a no no.
I would have left anyway, the creationist post after creationist post was boring to me.
re: #228 by Speranza
The bowing raised questions for me, too. Obviously, a slight incline of the head in order to receive a medal is the same as bending double…
What pretty much sealed the deal was the endless attacks on everyone for racism, the hatred directed towards the tea parties and his distortion of what’s covered & not covered under ObamaCare.
re: #229 by Grimcargo
I don’t know what is “different” or not “different.” I’m just saying that as the lunacy mounted I took what I felt were the necessary steps. Those involved surviving until I could leave on my terms, not his.
It is likely that I could have stayed a while longer had I submitted to a “timeout.” But that was not going to happen; I had no intention of suing for readmission. And, of course, as soon as I posted my valedictory verse here and elsewhere, any chance of readmission—and everything I had posted there—vanished.
re: #188 by buzzsawmonkey
Hey, I made unkind comments about the folks here when I was there, too. I’ve got some nice pejorative rhymes that I saved, too.
Did you make up any rhymes about me?
And if not, then why not?
re: #196 by snork
This from the same guy who says that nothing in Obama’s background and associations is relevant?
Yeah, well, 10 to 1 says Hoffman could produce his birth certificate within 24 hours, if he needed to.
re: #243 by tqcincinnatus
For what it’s worth, I tried to avoid making up rhymes that attacked people personally, except for a few obvious trolls like Mr.Sandman and spacejesus.
re: #239 by Rodan
Its the same here. Asians, Indians, many Africans and Latinos come here for the age old reason of a better life for their family.
re: #243 by tqcincinnatus
How do you rhyme with a name like that?
re: #237 by chickadee
I think the Republicans made a mistake on Jones focusing too much on the ‘truther’ status and not enough on his other insane left wing stances. Jones, and many of his other czars, have no business in the government at any level especially if we’ve supposedly got this wonderful, Messianic ‘post partisan’ leader.
re: #247 by snork
You can rhyme “cincinnatus” with “afflatus,” among other things.
Some of us were mentioned in a “lovely” satanic prayer composed by Jimmah/weasel.
re: #249 by buzzsawmonkey
And then afflak, and you’re off like a duck…
re: #237 by chickadee
I remember all of that well.Charles tried to sell that Van jones did not know what he was signing. Interesting the top of the petition said “(9/11 Committee For Truth.”
CJ got hysterical on that thread.
re: #222 by Grimcargo
I agree about Cato the Ogre. He is the kind of asshole whose true colors would emerge once he was picked to be a kapo.
re: #213 by buzzsawmonkey
Well you made the point there several times of how to be smart engaging and have some humility. LVQ needs to learn that if he wants to be taken seriously. Cato is smart but misuses his intellect. Not sure what can help him. I would say spiritual guidance of some type.
Walter used to be a rough commenter but found his stride in there. He still has some humanity to embrace.
Buzz and Mandy were initially commenters I seldom agreed with. But apparently that had more to do with my comprehension skills then the content they were putting out. Over time I realized the value of what they had to say.
It was the opposite with Charles. Initially I agreed unquestionably but as he applied his version of truth to fellow posters I came to see him as somewhat mean and intolerant. Or in other words a good democrat.
re: #252 by RIX
And Jones is a highfalutin Yale lawyer. You can’t have that both ways. If you are pleading the stupidity defense, you can’t play brainiac.
re: #239 by Rodan
“The problem is the Muslim Immigrants. The Indians, Latins and East Europeans aren’t causing a problem in the UK, it’s the Muslims”
Absolutely right. I met plenty of East Europeans in the U.K. and there was no problems with them.
re: #53 by Lolly Gator
Yes, but native Britains have got to take some responsibility for their cultural decline. It has evolved of late into a “culture of promiscuity” where std and abortion rates are skyrocketing, binge drinking is epidemic, and churches are largely empty. Britain may not be what it once was, but there’s plenty of blame to go around on all sides.
On the whole I don’t think immigration is bad in of itself, but Britain must has stupidly allowed so many of these immigrants to be dependent on various government programs which has drained the government resources. In return for seemingly endless government gifts, Britian has not demanded assimilation but rather caved to their various demands of cultural accomodation. Unemployment among British Muslims is over three times the rate of non-Muslim, and you have this angry generation that refuses to assimilate and has nothing else to do but make trouble.
re: #242 by buzzsawmonkey
Did Charles vanish your posts there? His past threads have to have no real value if he does that to more then a few people.
I wonder how Chuckles will spin things if the Dem candidates lose in NY, NJ and VA?
re: #254 by orangecrush
Very sweet of you. Thank you.
OT – Knocking down some pins in Lincoln’s bowling alley
re: #254 by orangecrush
LVQ needs to work on his presentation, but he also needs some remedial education in the discernment between feces and shoe shine polish.
OT:
Amazing the lengths congress will go to cover for the lying harpy Pelousy. Man, she must have some serious dirt on these congress critters.
Tune that fiddle up Nan, it sounds a bit scratchy.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28823.html
The incessant pounding on Tea Partiers was my wake up moment. NYC redneck and Dianna and I all went to parties and none of us are racists or neoNazis. The final straw was Charles Johnson defending the finger biter and defending the use of the N word by Killgore *Nword* Trout. At that point is was good bye and good riddance.
re: #238 by Overlook
Charles can’t post here under his nic. He’ll get seriously trolled and taken to town. Really no reason for him to do so. He has a forum he can use.
re: #237 by chickadee
When Charles accused GOP of ruthlessly attacking Sotomayor by using her own quotes against her and no reasoned arguments could dissuade him, then I understood he was out to make GOP look as bad and stupid as he could dream up ways to do so.
re: #253 by chickadee
“I agree about Cato the Ogre. He is the kind of asshole whose true colors would emerge once he was picked to be a kapo.”
Good points. I can see Cato the Ogre and KKKTrout as Kapos in concentration camps.
re: #230 by Nikis Knight
Agree completely.
# 228 Speranza
Truthfully, I never thought of CJ as being very intelligent. The first time I heard a replayed radio interview, from around ‘03, I wasn’t impressed. What imressed me, though, was the commenters. I learned a lot in the 6 to 9 months before I started posting, and continued to learn. There was wit, humor, incredible history and current events lessons, islamic history and theology taught, etc., etc., etc. When he started calling everyone nazi fascists, I just didn’t see it. I still read Gates of Vienna even though they had those fascist Odin crosses on their site. But when he went after Spencer, I knew he jumped the shark, big time. Robert has forgotten more historical islamic tidbits than Chuckie will ever learn in a lifetime of trying; Robert’s about as much a nazi as my Mother, fergawdsakes, although she can be pretty hardcore with a vacuum. The whole Spencer imbroglio was really the beginning of the end for me there. It’s only gotten more twistedly macabre since. The Obama love, after all the car swarms and Arafish threads, is stunning in the reversal of attitude, of how easy and unexplained it all was. He made a choice, a very bad one. Now he’s paying for it, and I do not wish him well with the blog. Whatever bad happens with that side of his business is well and truly earned. Couldn’t happen to a bigger putz.
re: #264 by snowcrash
What is left at 1.0 is a lot of sour dishonest posters. Only a few sugar cubes.
re: #245 by buzzsawmonkey
For what it’s worth, I tried to avoid making up rhymes that attacked people personally, except for a few obvious trolls like Mr.Sandman and spacejesus.
Oh well. Another chance for fame down the drain.
re: #247 by snork
Buzzsaw will grin at us
And t-q cincinnatus
For no rhyme is too hard
For the internet Bard.
re: #262 by snork
LVQ, it seems, is pretty young; some post of his suggested that he is not yet forty. He’s quite intelligent, and well-read in a number of areas (Torah/Talmud being one), but will benefit from the steadying influence of age and experience.
re: #249 by buzzsawmonkey
You can rhyme “cincinnatus” with “afflatus,” among other things.
That’d be a gas!
re: #273 by buzzsawmonkey
I was thinking not yet twenty.
re: #242 by buzzsawmonkey
I’ll say you left on your terms! You showed iceweasel for the fool she was.
re: #272 by Overlook
Buzzsaw will grin at us
And t-q cincinnatus
For no rhyme is too hard
For the internet Bard.
There once was a guy named Buzzsawmonkey
Whose figure was shaped like a…
Man, this is more difficult than I thought it’d be.
re: #273 by buzzsawmonkey
And besides, as you should well know, intelligence without knowledge and wisdom is about as valuable as an overclocked computer with no RAM. All it’ll do is beep at you incessantly.
There once was a poster named whitey
Whose “grandson pic file” was oh so mighty
They would cringe when she logged in
GAH! Don’t make us look at him AGAIN
Having heart….they would just cluck politely.
re: #277 by tqcincinnatus
You need de versity training.
What became most mind-boggling about Charles is that when he changed or came out for a position for the first time it was immediately an ultimate issue upon which all reasonable people should instantly agree or have their characters suspect–despite whatever record they had. Be it an issue like Global Warming or an opinon or affliation with some persona non grata if you didn’t change your mind to conform when he presented you with his hyperbolic reasoning or links that didn’t quite say what he thought they said, that was deeply revealing to him. And once you fell into one of these categories, you weren’t just a bad person but could never have anything of value to say, no matter how nicely said.
It wasn’t always so abrupt, but as the bannings accelerated the time to toe the line decreased. I wasn’t ever banned or deleted (while posting there, that I know of) but I knew not to push arguements far. Not that there would be a point to doing so, as even a direct contradiction or obvious absurdity would not get a position of his changed.
Ah well, so be it. It was good reading for awhile and a good place to interact though I was never part of any cliques. It’s interesting, for a time, to see craziness from a place I once looked to for, if not wisdom, relevance.
re: #277 by tqcincinnatus
There once was a guy named Buzzsawmonkey
Whose figure was shaped like a…dried up meth junkie
He kicked Charles in the arse
For all the bullshit he’s parse
Ended up just a 2.0 Flunkie.
255. snork on 28 October, 2009 at 12:35 pm reply re: #252 by RIX
And Jones is a highfalutin Yale lawyer. You can’t have that both ways. If you are pleading the stupidity defense, you can’t play brainiac
Lawyers learn in Law School to read carefully.
They are the very good at it.
There is no way that Van Jones didn’t know what he was signing.
Charles tortured logic on that thread to defend Jones & revealed what a narrow minded ideolouge that he is.
re: #277 by tqcincinnatus
Trunk-key?
re: #264 by snowcrash
CJ and his toady KKKT were so against the Tea Parties because they knew they were working. By then, liberalism had infected them very strongly. Their reason for putting the Tea Parties down was that Nazis were behind every tree working their evil.
This was insane. Their bizarre bleating and flailing against citizens gathering to exercise their First Amendment rights was
just absurd. CJ was literally trying to silence us.
Fuck that fool.
As I recall many people took to the streets in orderly fashion and it was successful in pushing back Zero and inspiring millions of other Americans.
CJ is now WRONG about most issues.
re: #257 by blueiris
Have you read Theodore Dalrymple? Quite heartbreaking to see a people I’d so respect with such a problem under the surface.
re: #253 by chickadee
I think if cato ever darkened the doors of 2.0 he should be keel hauled and beaten with sticks and barred, banned and called lots of nasty names.
re: #269 by RickZ
Dude I cannot argue with you. I at first gave him the benefit of the doubt in the Atlas Shrugged imbroglio and I am sorry that I did. His master plan of shifting hard left has failed and his blog has suffered for it especially in the quality of posters. his number one commenter 9outside of Sharmuta) is asswhistle?
re: #283 by RIX
More to the point, the backflips to avoid holding Jones responsible for his own signature, when contrasted with the presumptions of creationism imputed without evidence to those who are not favored, shows a gross double standard and a deep intellectual dishonesty.
re: #174 by RickZ
Ahh Mandy has good things to say, does extensive research, and has a personal style. She’s uptight about a few things, has misplaced loyalties.
I seen what she said about Savage. I seen Savage say it doesn’t bother him an she is welcome her.
A lot of the point of view out of 1.0 on departed posters is just plain wrong. It is like a cult in that way. Charles could have just said “Thank you for you valued contributions”
re: #285 by chickadee
Yep, chock full of Nazis and Ron Paul supporters. LOL
re: #290 by orangecrush
“A lot of the point of view out of 1.0 on departed posters is just plain wrong. It is like a cult in that way. Charles could have just said ‘Thank you for you valued contributions’ ”
The word graciousness is not part of his dictionary.
re: #289 by buzzsawmonkey
Hey Buzz, more kudos for your smack down of the Weasel.
Charles also wigs out on Global Warming.
Record Winter temperatures & cool Summers don’t make him question anything.
Heck, many of the origional Global Warming crowd have now defaulted to Climate Change.
The Science is not settled & Man’s contribution is hardly proven, but CJ has spoken.
re: #290 by orangecrush
“Ahh Mandy has good things to say, does extensive research, and has a personal style. She’s uptight about a few things, has misplaced loyalties.”
I always got the impression that she had a rough life and had a lot of “man trouble”.
re: #257 by blueiris
Yes. Britons are entirely responsible for their cultural decline. They voted in socialists.
re: #290 by orangecrush
Excuse me, but that Communist is NOT welcome here.
re: #287 by apachegunner
He won’t come over here where he doesn’t have a back up bully with a stick. Ogre is a coward which is why he is such a nasty bastard.
# 289 buzzsawmonkey
Either that or he’s just another nutjob like Marshall Applewhite trying to create his own cult out there in LaLa Land. I’m just wondering what his Hale-Bopp will be. He’s already got the cyber-suicide thingy down, so the real version isn’t that much of a stretch.
re: #296 by savage
I don’t care who posts here but she is going to have to do better than “fuck you” or “piss up a rope”.
re: #285 by chickadee
Yup that was also a signal I listened to. They went to extraordinary lengths to paint tea partiers as extremists rather than patriotic concerned citizens.KKK trouser trout and all his ridiculous linkage,what a dolt.
I’m for muslim quotas on immigration. Iraqi christians ok, Iragi muslims only if they have assisted our efforts and are in danger in Iraq.
It’s actually hard to find immigration figures.
re: #267 by Speranza
Add Dark Falcon as well. He backs down when confronted
re: #299 by typicalwhitey
That’s why the little marxist is going to be tossed as soon as I find out she registers.
re: #288 by Speranza
Me too,very sorry I just took his word for it, not knowing the people involved.That has been rectified here.After a bit the galloping paranoia became the core of my discontent.Nothing I believed was acceptable there.
# 296 savage
I do believe that THAT settles that. LOL!
re: #296 by savage
Lol. I thought for sure I read where you said you didn’t mind. She’s no longer a commie. She is a born again conservative evangelical who drives too fast.
re: #206 by Rodan
It goes further than that. You’re a creationist if you are unwilling to keep your not-officially-state-approved-atheism religious views to yourself.
re: #299 by typicalwhitey
Did you read her posts? It looks to me like you are misreading her.
re: #97 by NoThreat2U
Yup. I sometimes catch flak for wanting someone who is a conservative…. told that I’m demanding that someone be ‘pure enough’ . . . . it’s quite the opposite. I don’t much care what they think of the origins of the universe, if they are religious at all, what color they like or what football team they root for….
I want them to view the Constitution as a Document that matters, reign in the Federal Government and push personal responsibility rather than dependence upon government.
You’re dead on…. I ask what their platform is… what, politically, are you looking to do? Make me dependent upon the government for safety (I.e, be for gun control), or my healthcare? No thanks.
re: #306 by orangecrush
Well, maybe I said that, HOWEVER, I want people in here that can hold there own in a debate or bring something of value to the table.
Mandy does none of that, and I have never seen a card carrying member of the CPUSA ever change. She is the perfect mole.
re: #303 by savage
Steady on, old chap.
She typed out the Lord’s Prayer. Trespassers forgiven etc. Not so marxist.
re: #309 by LanceKates
Yup! Hi Lance!
re: #310 by savage
I had a perfect mole once, but the doctor froze it off.
re: #235 by Rodan
It’s all happened or happening simply because Johnson cast aside all beliefs, his character and all his integrity. Not to mention his friends… He sold out for free. All this because he couldn’t admit he was wrong. He made a mistake and stuck to it. Meanwhile, he just keeps digging and digging himself in…deeper and deeper and deeper. WTF. Throw him a new shovel.
re: #291 by snowcrash
I remember a post from the delusional, devious, paranoid KKKT saying that just because we didn’t notice or recognize them, didn’t mean they weren’t there working their mischief. LOL
Like working their mischief by holding up American flags and Pro-American signs and banners and singing the National Anthem.
re: #312 by vagabond trader
Hey VT!
How goes it?
re: #310 by savage
Fair enough. There is Horowitz.
http://www.horowitzfreedomcenter.org/
There is Micheal Medved(though not a commie, came over from the far left)
Some people grow up with their sense of individual liberty colored by illusions of the left. And then they have the epiphany that the left is as cracked as it’s made up to be. I think George Orwell went down this path also.
re: #315 by chickadee
He’s an avowed atheist but he believes in gremlins.
Chesterton had it right.
re: #267 by Speranza
Yes, scoundrels like that whose bad character emerges when left unchecked.
re: #310 by savage
I might get wistful for 1.0 mole work and have to break out of the old sock puppet there again. I just do it now to troll for entertainment when I am in the mood.
BTW, without wanting to excite a huge controversy—since I have to do some errands—I do not like the use of “conservative” as a noun. Use it as a noun, and you start getting into litmus tests as restrictive as the Procrustean templates that the schismatic leftwing splinter groups use.
I am “conservative” as an adjective; more so on some things, less so on others, but conservative in outlook, not as a noun-label.
The trick in being “conservative” is to recognize the ever-present tension between wanting to conserve—i.e., retain what is, and retard alteration—and the necessity of adapting such conservation to ever-changing realities.
Leftists in New York are not conservative, but reactionary; they are the advocates of stasis. No development, NIMBY, do not change the ethnic makeup of neighborhoods from what it is now, even though the ethnicity of these neighborhoods has changed several times in the past.
An intelligent conservatism recognizes that change is not only inevitable but necessary, and seeks to accommodate the necessary while preserving the good.
re: #315 by chickadee
We creationists are sneaky…….
They underestimate our sneakyness…
We’re so sneaky and behind everything, we’re having to fight tooth and nail, and generally losing, to try and keep the atheistic evolution from being taught as established fact…..
THAT’S how sneaky we are…. we’re staging our own loss to …. uhh…….
yeah, KT is a kook.
re: #315 by chickadee
Killgore Trout loves being Johnny-on-the-spot with linkies. Mr. Step-n-fetch-it.
I always picture him as a bell-hop.
re: #303 by savage
Don’t blame you.
Real used to tell me that she would post one or two word comments over and over just so she could have the most posts on there.
And it seemed to me, back then, that she did do that a lot.
re: #322 by LanceKates
…and EVERYWHERE.
re: #300 by vagabond trader
At that point it was all concern troll rubbish. Pretending that a gathering of patriots was beneath the dignity of the GOP.
What bullshit. What a pathetic attempt at treachery.
OE IS HERE?! Kick ass~
HEY {Vagabond Trader}! Where the heck have you been and do you have a doctors note?!
>: [
(missed you lately!)
:- )
re: #321 by buzzsawmonkey
I haven’t enjoyed “capitalist” since I learned that it was coined by Marx.
The downside of being a “necessary evil” is that the “overabundant evil” gets to call you whatever they want.
re: #325 by Bumr50
That reminds me….. time for the Creationist Conservative Code:
Plans are going smoothly, we are taking over the world, bit by bit, much to the horror of the ever-vigilant 1.0′rs.
Here is the current code. Remember, as always, b=3
asdk aoeri w hapo hal iouh qweupu gzfbn.
The’ll never see THAT coming!
re: #121 by vagabond trader
That’s fantastic!
Check out the current cover of Newsweek magazine – no bias there huh?\
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y2JmNjEyOGY2ODQ2YzIwNjEzNWZkMzc2YjdhZDQ3ZWU=
re: #282 by typicalwhitey
Better late than never… or not.
Buzzsawmonkey met a skunky
In the Lizard Lair;
So when he quit,
On Chuck he spit,
“Now kiss my derriere!”
Without getting into personalities more than necessary, “Killgore Trout” is the name of the science-fiction writer who is the grey-eminence Wise Man in much of Kurt Vonnegut’s fiction. Vonnegut describes him in one book as “a frightened, aging Jesus whose sentence had been commuted to life.”
Vonnegut was a misanthropic moonbat of the first order. I remember being briefly enamored of his work in high school (late Sixties), but his pretentiousness and smugness had palled by the time Slaughterhouse Five hit the bookstores. That someone would select that name as their online identity says much, since Trout, in Vonnegut’s books, was the repository of wisdom. I have to say that I always found the Trout character—in Vonnegut, that is—to be a bargain-basement version of Ecclesiastes, as imagined by a freshman philosophy major.
It is good – but no slam-dunky.
re: #321 by buzzsawmonkey
I think you are making two points. I agree that it is very subjective to use as an adjective because there isn’t an agreed upon point at which enough conservative ideas add up to make a conservative person. Hence the arguing about where the line is and who is a RINO and so forth (although in some cases it is clear.)
As for conservatisim only wanting to conserve, that reminds me of a piece in NR recently on the Death of Conservatisim book. “Good conservatives”, from a liberal point of view, are those that temper and liberalism slightly, offer a counter point and then step out of the way.
What I want is someone who fights for the principles held by what are now called conservative, even if those principles are obliterated.
Yes, we need to adapt to change, but we should not consider any liberal statist programs set in stone. We can be reactionary, so long as we do it in a realistic manner. Progressivism is not inevitable; indeed, it is not even possible in the long run, since they always overplay their hand and reach for more, like playing Jenga and trying to build a tower forever.
re: #331 by Speranza
LOL!
Why not a pop-up book?
re: #332 by Bunk X
Very good!
I love doing limericks
re: #331 by Speranza
Is that a joke?
Come on!
re: #333 by buzzsawmonkey
I read that novel back in 1972. I liked it at the time but never read anything else by Vonnegut. I preferred Philip Roth.
re: #335 by Nikis Knight
Using it as an adjective allows someone to call McCain a conservative.
because, at that point, they’re able to compare to folks like Obama.
The interesting point, though, is that those same folks don’t like it when you compare McCain to folks like Duncan Hunter, Ted Nugent, etc.
That’s why I use it as a noun. It has particular meaning, and that meaning has nothing to do with trying to preserve ‘the old ways’.
It is about holding to the Constitution as a document that has meaning and protects us from oppression and socialism.
And yes… because it is a word with meaning, Conservative, it means that not everyone gets to be one, so not everyone gets a trophy for participating.
Conservativism preserves freedom of the individual and limits the Federal Government to the boundaries presented in our country’s founding document: The Constitution.
Everything else leads to failure.
re: #322 by LanceKates
LOL, Yes kooky and getting kookier.
re: #336 by Bumr50
338. typicalwhitey
No pretense of objectivity at Newsweek but Fox is the biased medium right?
re: #333 by buzzsawmonkey
I took a class on KV in college. I liked several of his books, though more for the science fiction aspect and goofiness than because he said anything profound.
And I liked that professor. I think he was doing a thesis comparing KV to James Joyce or something. I haven’t read Joyce, but I hear it is pretentious, to put it gently.
# 333 buzzsawmonkey
Well, yeah, except the character in Vonnegut’s novel’s is spelled with one ‘l’.
Top US official: Our support of Israel not just a slogan
re: #339 by Speranza
I enjoyed Cat’s Cradle and several short stories.
The tale of Harrison Bergeron served as a basis for the anti-PC in me.
re: #339 by Speranza
I never read Slaughterhouse Five. I got through Cat’s Cradle, Mother Night, and God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater, and decided I’d had a bellyful. Sirens of Titan I found unreadable.
Vonnegut’s short stories are pretty good, actually–Harrison Bergeron predicts, quite preciently, today’s PC idiocies, which Vonnegut, alas, would seem to have helped to fruition.
Vonnegut was one of those way-stations to adult thought, with some interesting observations on a stopped-clock basis (moonbat though he was, he was right occasionally). Viewing him as a profound thinker is tantamount to a confession of shallowness.
re: #337 by typicalwhitey
Cincinnatus left a flatus
Right up Chuckie’s nose;
Stinky B. was sent to see
That Cincinnatus goes.
re: #346 by Bumr50
After I realized Vonnegut’s ultra left politics I said “Screw him there are other novelists out there” i.e. Franz Kafka.
re: #333 by buzzsawmonkey
For everything there is a season.
A time for this a time for that. A time to buy retail, a time for sales. In conclusion, the author is suggesting that wisdom lies in accepting that will is insufficient as cause. Phenomena are predestined to occur at the moment when potential is realized.
re: #349 by Speranza
I recommend that people read Kafka’s In the Penal Colony as an allegory of the agony of the would-be assimilationist Jew trying to reject the Torah.
I must go do some errands, but will pick this up later if anyone cares to.
re: #345 by m
I think he was thinking of the previous administration….
# 343 Nikis Knight
For science fiction goofiness, I always enjoy (re)reading Roger Zelazny’s ‘Amber’ series. I also laughed at his personal bio: He worked in the sewers so he didn’t have to think so that when he went home after the job (which paid the bills), he still had a functioning brain with which to write.
re: #349 by Speranza
Never read any Kafka. Thanks! Buzz has me reading Ellison.
re: #346 by Bumr50
According to tvtropes, Harrison Bergeron is an example of misaimed fandom, that is, conservatives like it even though it was intended as a parody of how objectivists see liberalism.
Which makes more sense given KV’s liberalism than the redection to absurdity arguement it seems at first glance.
re: #347 by buzzsawmonkeyVonnegut died a few years ago. Still wrapped up in his left wing politics.
re: #353 by RickZ
Anchoress is linking to Terry Pratchett.
I enjoy the Discworld books.
I picked up Small Gods on a whim, not knowing what I’d stumbled onto.
re: #354 by Bumr50
The Metamorphosis is actually quite good.
The very first sentence
“Gregory Samsa woke from uneasy dreams one morning to find himself changed into a giant insect.”
re: #355 by Nikis Knight
It was a lesson in the eighth grade, and my teacher didn’t present it that way. I don’t think that I ever read it again.
I don’t know if “misaimed” is accurate, as an active reader can shift perspective.
re: #188 by buzzsawmonkey
The Raft of the Medusa
so often set in motion
on a ripple caused by a
whisper from one Kilgore Trout
re: #331 by Speranza
Zero just loves being on magazine covers, being the subject of fawning newspaper articles, appearing on T.V. daily, flying around on Air Force One, delivering “readings” to friendly audiences, and having the fawning press show up at the W.H. with softball questions.
This is what being POTUS means to him. Being the center of attention and being treated like he is the most special person in the world.
It is actually a good thing he is a pathological narcissist or he would have been more successful in pushing his commie shit.
re: #358 by Speranza
But Phillip Roth’s metamorphosis is even better:
turns into a breast.
# 354 Bumr50
‘The Trial’ is one of the best political novels, defintiely in the top 10. Well worth the read. ‘Metamorphosis’ is simply bizarre.
re: #55 by NoThreat2U
He’ll find a connection somehow…..Hoffman’s great aunt’s best friend’s neighbor’s sister “knows” someone who is a Creationist.
re: #352 by LanceKates
HAD to be.
re: #327 by m
Hi {m}!
Been vagabonding to pay teh bills.
re: #324 by typicalwhitey
Another thing she did that made me want to scream was put up a screen-sized (?) post consisting of one word repeated as many times as would fit.
re: #361 by chickadee
Hubris at it’s finest.
re: #366 by vagabond trader
I think that’s illegal here…
Oh wait. The Dems in charge say it’s OK, as long as you give them 350 dollars a year (money order only) for a license and three percent for the privelege of Vagabonding in our County.
Europe is lost. Ain’t multiculturalism just grand!
re: #357 by Bumr50
Ahhhh, I recommend “The Colour of Magic”. Back to the beginning you must go. As a long standing series go, Pratchett has got it down to an art form. Side characters become main characters. Strut their piece then fall into the background only rising to the forefront on occassion. Wonderful humour.
re: #368 by tuffy
It’s going to cost him. It already is.
What an ugly flaw.
re: #353 by RickZ
The Amber series are among my faves!Nine Princes in Amber is classic.Love that deck of cards! The later ones get a bit, er, involved. I always wondered if Zelazny had partaken of the magic mushroom.
How long will it be before Teh Wun is attacked for the amount of vacation time he’s taken?
Not gonna hold my breath…
re: #371 by PaladinPhil
I believe I’m caught up with the exception of the collaboration with Neil Gaiman, but thanks!
re: #372 by chickadee
He’s SOOOOOOOOOOOO over-reaching…….and I’m glad.
re: #333 by buzzsawmonkey
BECK BECKONS.
Five minutes to go.
Will be back, unless incited elsewhere…
re: #366 by vagabond trader
OH! Well, that’s ok then!
# 373 vagabond trader
Sewer gas.
I was a good uncle, turned my nieces and nephew onto Zelazny. Died much too young.
Tried reading his non-Amber stuff, but it just didn’t have the same…panache. I’ve always wondered why no one ever made a movie out of the ‘Amber’ series. With those deck of cards, and the Pattern with the veils, sword fights, worlds where things are different and different things work, I just always figured it could be a major hit. Plus, it would be original.
re: #378 by Overlook
Don’t forget to bring us our orders!
I’ll go buy some Sugarcubes.
re: #381 by wolfie
I haven’t gotten my orders from Rush or Hannity yet! And if Rush, Hannity & Beck say something a little different, who do I listen to?!
//
re: #359 by Bumr50
I think that’s what they categorized it as, but it seems to have moved. You can see the arugement on this page, though:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad
under literature.
re: #384 by Nikis Knight
Thanks! Never been to tvtropes.
re: #378 by Overlook
Let me know if I need to boil some frogs alive.
/I’m very susceptible.
re: #383 by mfhorn
OMG. We have a problem!
re: #380 by RickZ
Same here, what a great series of flicks they would make.Remember when they were going back to Amber and came upon a Kentucky Fried Lizards restaraunt? lolol!
Must put on my to be read pile. Again.
Some one with a spare dirty sock should go on lgf’s .000001 and ask Ludwiggedoutvanquackquack why Arapahoe Basin Ski area opened Oct. 9, 2009?
How did global warming cause that.
Often tfk would ask Charles and Van Quacks a lot what year would they admit they were wrong about the fraud of Al Gore.
Never an answer, guess they will die with the lie on their lips.
“Its so cold” some one put a extra blanket on me please.”"”"
Hannity played an ad for Doug Hoffman earlier.
I would love to see him win.
re: #387 by wolfie
Conflicting orders! Confused. Lost. Tinfoil hat falling off. Must… get… answers… somewhere. Unable… to think.. for.. myself. Must… stop channelling.. Captain Kirk.
Oh this is hilarious. Two cats weigh in on healthcare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnY6k1ybTHg&feature=player_embedded
re: #389 by taxfreekiller
That’s why it’s ‘Climate Change’ now. No matter what happens they can blame human activity.
re: #389 by taxfreekiller
Snowball-throwing creationists on holiday from Texas.
Every city, County, State, and U.S. Goverment that takes bids for say construction work on water lines, sewer lines, bridge construction, highway construction,, any of that by low bid.
They do know the low bid was done by the contractor who has the largest amount and lowest paid illegal immigrants.
Dishonest Nation.
re: #395 by taxfreekiller
Can you call INS on the contractor?
re: #389 by taxfreekiller
Often tfk would ask Charles and Van Quacks a lot what year would they admit they were wrong about the fraud of Al Gore
Ludwig is one angry guy. He needs a little maturity.
As we all know CJ was an AGW sceptic for a long time, pretty much a denier. He used to recomend
Michael Crichtons ‘State of Fear”
Somebody asked him why he changed & he answered that he has now studied the science.
Uh huh , what did he base his previous opnion on? This is just part of his Leftie transformation.
# 388 vagabond trader
I think it was all the family treachery which sold me. Once I saw ‘I Claudius’ with all its treachery, I couldn’t imagine it not being a hit. Maybe SyFy should do it as a limited series. You know, some real science fiction as opposed to wrestling. Plus, with CGI now, all the different worlds would be a snap.
After this conversation, yes, you’re right.
re: #392 by vagabond trader
That is priceless!
Looks just like my moonbat sister’s two cats, too. Wish I could send it to her, but family peace won’t allow it. (As you know, moonbats have no sense of humor, so it would be seen as an assault.)
Qdoba is here!
BBL
“…what did he base his previous opnion on?”
OPNION returns!
(I always loved that nic!)
re: #398 by RickZ
My era of history is The Wars of the Roses and Amber always reminded me of the characters in those conflicts.Switching of allegiance, backstabbing,familial conflict.All the stuff that makes life worth living. lol.
I Claudius is great, on my want list.
re: #399 by wolfie
Saw it before but they were portrayed as the wronged girlfriend and cheating boyfriend.This will go viral.
Too true, librals have no sense of humor unless they are ridiculing someone who can’t fight back.
OT/ Michelle contradicts Obama nativity story – Divulges Ann Dunham was ‘very young and very single’ at birth of U.S. president
What is all this then?
# 402 vagabond trader
With the home castle, and the broadswords, you studied the right period. I also liked the references to ‘dear old Dad’. It really is amazing how few know of Amber, or even heard of Zelazny. Very underrated, if one can go that high, as unheard of is more like it.
I read Graves’ books, but found the tv series far superior (I kept reading the books with the tv characters’ accents). Derek Jacobi as Claudius, Sean Phillips as the nasty and treacherous Livia, and a young Patrick Stewart as Sejanus was one of those ‘must see tv’ series. Would love to have the dvd set.
re: #393 by mfhorn
When they changed it to Climate Change, I knew they were no good Ponzi schemers, definitely up to no good.
OK.
Now, how about the Brits giving yanks a “Right of Return” or we just call ourselves latter-day Tories and we want to come back to the mother country. Might that be enough to off-set the balance? What a bunch of wankers.
I can see hating the elite class-system in Britain. I’m an anglophile and I love the place. But, to destroy what made it unique in Europe for the sake of making it into Madras on the Thames or a North Sea Shrilanka is nothing short of cultural suicide.
re: #406 by RickZ
:a young Patrick Stewart as Sejanus”
You forgot to add– with HAIR. Not just on his head, but on his back too– those were some raucous sex scenes.
re: #408 by calcajun
More like Lahore or Islamabad.
re: #406 by RickZ
Those Romans always have the most cultured British accents.
re: #397 by RIX
“studied the science”
That’s code for “I got a girlfriend who may not bathe, but puts out.”//
re: #411 by vagabond trader
But such bad teeth? I wondered about that.
re: #47 by Lolly Gator
Lolly I assume you are familiar with CS Lewis’ The Hideous Strength? I always felt he saw all this coming. The distruction of the village to make room for the N.I.C.E. seems to me to be about all of English life.
Was in Canterbury and Dover for a few days last summer and I loved it, but I can see what you mean.
re: #286 by Nikis Knight
I haven’t, but I’ll look into it. Cheers!
Blah …Blah… Blah… Multiculti… Blah.. Islamic terror .. blah… the sky is falling … blah blah.
NOTHING.
Not one denizen of this place has come up with a way to actually DO SOMETHING about this admitted threat!
Why?
You may well ask!
WE’ve ALL got too much to lose.
Fear of the state’s power and reach and fear of any move against the rule of law prevents us.
… even if the current laws that rule us are condemning us to a slow cultural death.
THAT’S the elephant in the middle of this room and every other room in the West.
Middle classes don’t break the law! Even if those laws eventually strip us all of our legal protections and sell our rights to a statist future.
WE .. ALL of us in here are the frog slowly enduring the water as it s-l-o-w-l-y heats up. We all KNOW in our heart of hearts that we WON’T DO ANYTHING until the water cooks us. By then when we have lost everything and having nothing left to risk or lose we might even try a little ‘rising’ BUT WE ALL know that it’ll be way too late by then.
I challenge everyone in here to say it isn’t true
or even offer an alternative opinion that has an even half way decent ending.
The Brits only have themselves to blame for having Labour in for so long.
re: #417 by aussie_dave
Ahhh! But dave. there’s the rub!
If cameron and the ‘Conservatives get into power NOTHING WILL FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE! There will bne a few cosmetic alterations and a LOT of bloviating and arm waving and promises aplenty. but nothing of substance will be done.
Cameron and the rest of the elite professional politicians are in it for the power and the chance to bury their snouts as deep as possible into a EU job for life after their flutter of power in office. The fact is that the Political elite of ANY party has not given a tuppenny f**k for the ordinary folks for at least 40 years.
Now we end up with the worst of both options. just another lying politician taking his turn screwing the general populous and up to 25 % of blue collar Labour and lower middle class Tory voters skyving off to join the national Front. Alas the NF is just another bunch of fascistic socialists authoritarians who also happen to want to deport blacks and Pakis.
They are STILL just more of the same …. socialists …. even though they promise to rid the UK of Pakistanis and Blacks. What then? These guys are just a warmed over version of Mosley and the UK blackshirts of the 1930s.
Hardly a choice at all.
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