ADL Poll: American Support for Israel Remains Solid; Increase in Support for Action to Prevent Iran From Going Nuclear
The American people’s strong support for Israel remains constant and their
support for action to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power has
substantially increased, according to a new nationwide survey released by the
Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today.The survey’s findings demonstrate that Americans recognize Israel as a strong
and loyal U.S. ally, are skeptical about “peace dividends” that would be
realized by Israel stopping all settlement construction and believe that a
Palestinian state must not be established until the Palestinians demonstrate a
commitment to end violence and accept Israel’s legitimacy.
Meanwhile:
French FM warns: Israel will attack Iran
Kouchner hinted that Israel had been generous in the time it had provided the international community to solve the crisis diplomatically, but warned that eventually the threat will cross a red line and Israel will be compelled to act.
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki responded to Kouchner’s warning on Monday by saying that Tehran views the “Zionist regime” as weak and incapable of launching any kind of substantial attack on it’s nuclear facilities.
Reminding the world that “Palestinians” weren’t the only ones that lost homes when the world finally recognized the state of Israel:
Project Documents Stories of Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries
And an update to this thread:
Police: Temple Mount entry as normal
Tags: ADL
Just because Obama hates Israel does not mean the rest of the nation will follow him. Hey American Jews – how did that support for Obama work out for you?
That’s all fine and dandy, but it’s will not stop Obama and his progressive band of commies from selling Israel down the old river in the name of a “Fair and Equitable Peace”. Beware and be vigilant always.
Now all we need is for selrahC to complete his auto-Sullivanification and come out against Israel, and it will be complete.
The gap between the American people’s support for Israel and the Obama administration’s lack of support for it is only one more indicator of the wide gulf which separates the philosophy of the current gang from that of the people they are trying to rule.
It’s a relief to know that Americans still support Israel. However, does it matter if the majority supports Israel but elects Jew-haters? it doesn’t because those in power get to set the course for the whole country thus our national policies will not reflect the desire of the majority.
Obviously, I’m pessimistic.
re: #4 by buzzsawmonkey
And the idiocy of the fools who elected them who blindly ignored all the signs of who these people actually are.
It is an interesting thing when France is more Pro-Israel than the United States. (or at least the Governments)
Flipped times indeed!
I would like a definition of the word “support” in this poll.
re: #6 by Nevergiveup
The pathology of not believing that people are who and what they say they are is very widespread.
re: #7 by WrathofG-d
“I would like a definition of the word “support” in this poll.”
Over the next 3 years, I think we are going to find out?
re: #8 by buzzsawmonkey
Yup, it was particularly prevelant in the 1903s
re: #7 by WrathofG-d
Check out this post I did on the weekend
http://www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2009/10/24/american-progressives-turn-on-france/#comments
re: #9 by Nevergiveup
It really isn’t my intention to claim that “support of Israel” has to fit my narrow personal view of what that means, but my questioning of what it really means to “support” Israel is becoming greater today in the age of “J-street”, “Peace Now”, and the like’s claims of being “Pro-Israel”.
It is like when President Obama claims that Israel has a right to safe and secure boarders, or Jerusalem will remain united.
These statements, like the term “support”, mean different things to different people. In the examples above (a) Obama never states he would actually do anything to enforce them, or where these borders would be, or who’s definition of safe and secure and (b) in the Jerusalem example he never stated who would possess Jerusalem, etc.
The same goes for the word “support”. What does this mean? I have very, very idiotic liberal friends who would swear up and down that they are “Pro-Israel” and “support Israel”. They will also spend 99% of their time telling you how Israel is always in the wrong, how the Palestinians just want peace, how it is the “likudnik” attitude of Israel that is keeping the fighting going, how Israel must give up all land post 1967, etc.
The left has so abused the language that words no longer have real clear meaning anymore, I am afraid.
re: #12 by WrathofG-d
Yup
re: #7 by WrathofG-d
I took it as:
That’s not “j-street” support, thank goodness.
re: #12 by WrathofG-d
Honestly I think only the Right really supports Israel. The Moderate Left only supports them up to a point. The Progressives want Israel’s extermination.
That’s my take.
REPOST from Israeli-Muslim/Arab Rioting Thread:
So, those “loyal” Arab/Muslim-Israelis are at it again.
During a discussion regarding passing a law against Arab/Muslim-Israelis teaching that the creation of Israel was a catastrophe to be fixed, “Jewish legislators accused their adversaries of wanting “to throw the Jews into sea”, [stating however that they] but we will not let [them].”
Arab MK Ahmed Tibi angrily retorted, “We will see who lasts longer.”
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/134053
Yup. Once again the Muslim/Arab-Israeli mask slips, and in a fit of anger they show their true desire – to out-wait the Jews, till Palestine can be created in its place -ie: destruction of Israel.
Ahmed Tibi is an ISRAELI citizen and Member of Knesset!
For the most part you have two types of Arab/Muslim-Israelis: those working for Israel’s destruction, and those waiting for it.
Just 67%? I don’t care if it’s the highest in recent years – it’s too low!
That’s a little more like it! (would be happier with 10-1, but hey…)
None of these polls matter if the same people vote into Office “Moral Equivalancy” Assholes like Obama and his merry men.
re: #16 by WrathofG-d
Look what happened to Lebanon in the 40’s/50’s. It was a Majority Maronite (Phoenican) Republic. Then they allowed Syrian Sunnis and Iraqi Shia Arabs in. The result, Christians are now a minority in their own homeland.
Let this be a warning to Israel if they don’t address the Arab-Muslim problem.
re: #2 by Nevergiveup
. . . but . . . but . . . he’s a “Friend of Israel”!!
re: #12 by WrathofG-d
The J-Street support for Israel is to promote the idea that Israel should be a better nation than all others by not defending itself. Then the true essential moral superiority of Jews (as wandering scapegoats) will be realized.
re: #17 by m
I’m shocked it’s even 67%. WIth all the Progressive Propaganda about israelis doing Genocide, the same crap they used against the Serbs in the 90’s I am not shocked it’s lower.
Israel has one thing going for it the Serbs don’t. Israel has better friends because of the ties the American jewish community and Evangelicals have with Israel. They are able to counter act the Progressive lies about Israel on a per person basis. The Serbian Community didn’t have those close ties or numbers and the Anti-Serb propaganda stuck.
They want to do to Israel was was done to Serbia.
re: #7 by WrathofG-d
Are you trying to turn this into a boob thread?
re: #16 by WrathofG-d
Hey Wrath! Did you click the picture on that thread from yesterday? Does that kid look like he’s running for cover? Or the ones standing out in the open making themselves a target?
THESE PHOTOGRAPHERS/EDITORS/WHOEVER WRITES THIS STUFF PISS ME OFF!
re: #20 by father_of_10
I know your kidding but I might add no “Friend” of Israel every attended a Black Liberation “Church”!
56% believe there should be no Palestinian state unless the Palis recognize Israel’s right to exist.
Way too low.
re: #20 by father_of_10
I thought “FOI” was the acronym for the Nation of Islam’s security force.
Last update – 20:34 26/10/2009
Abbas to Obama: I’ll quit, there’s no chance for peace with Netanyahu
By Haaretz Service
Tags: Israel News, Mahmoud Abbas
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas told the White House that he intends to resign his post, Channel 10 reported on Monday.
According to the report, the Palestinian leader told U.S. administration officials that he sees no chance of advancing the peace process with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in power.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1123705.html
Well get a move on it and good riddance to ya you. All you are is a better dressed Arafat
re: #26 by wolfie
There already is a “Palestinian state.” It’s called Jordan.
re: #24 by m
I have to run, but I’ll summarize it as follows:
If Israel were doing everything they were accused of, there would no longer be any “Palestinians” to have a conflict with.
I highly suggest that everyone review the photos regarding the Israel-Arab/Muslims rioting this week. (A good start is the link I provided on the last thread: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/134044)
These kids know that Israel goes wayyy out of its way not to hurt them, and thus they have littler fear of reprisal. Any claim that the big bad Israeli are picking on the poor poor Arabs is complete nonsense. The pictures/evidence make this patently obvious.
Btw: notice what the MSM calls “rocks” or “stones”. They look like boulders and cinder blocks to me.
I think the left by and large supports Israel in the same sense that it supports America; mouths bland statements of liking it, but is quick to point out that much of the world is messed up because of it (supposedly), think that they knows better than it does, and can generally be counted on to come to the defense of its enemies before the country that they in theory support.
J-Street “support” of Israel= moonbat “support” of USA. Same obsessive puritanism regarding one side & same indifference toward manifest evil on the other. Can you spell P-A-T-H-O-L-O-G-Y ?
re: #29 by buzzsawmonkey
And speaking of that:
Dozens of Jordanian unionists in Amman set an Israeli flag on fire during a sit-in to mark the 15th anniversary of the peace treaty between Jordan and Israel on Monday.
Jordanian unionists set an Israeli flag on fire during a sit-in to mark the anniversary of the peace treaty between Jordan and Israel, in Amman, Jordan, Monday. The unionists called for the abolition of the treaty.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1256557966025&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Ain’t peace grand? And oh by the way Abdullah, ya better get your people under control, because your only on your shitty throne because of Israel shitbird.
re: #30 by WrathofG-d
Btw: notice what the MSM calls “rocks” or “stones”. They look like boulders and cinder blocks to me.
Every time Israel treats them with consideration, the Arabs get boulder.
re: #29 by buzzsawmonkey
We lost the narrative, buzz. What is TRUE doesn’t matter. There is no truth, only power.
“The point is not to understand the world but to change it.”
Need we any further proof that B. Hussein does not represent the average American?
Support for Israel, how I define is simple.
1) Not recognizing a Palestinian state. (The Palestinians did not become a nation until 1968,
read the Palestinian charter.
http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/viewadditionalresource.asp?resourceID=000902)
2) Not dividing the land.
3) Supporting Israel with military supplies.
4) dealing swiftly and firmly with Israel’s enemies.
5) recognizing the land that Israel possess as hers and hers alone and any additional land that Israel may acquire.
*I have a lot of biblical and recent historical reasons to back this up.*
re: #30 by WrathofG-d
Where in the city does one get so many rocks? Is there a Muslim shop that sells them in bulk?
NO division of Jerusalem.
re: #38 by song_and_dance_man
Ever been to the West Bank? It is one big rock quarrie
re: #27 by buzzsawmonkey
I messed up. I was referring to selrahC and I should of said: Isn’t he a “Righteous Gentile”?
Johnson has shown himself to be just a another cookie-cutter progressive that was temporarily lost for a bit after 9-11. He’s back to his normal self now: a delusional liberal progressive.
“Article 1: Palestine is the homeland of the Arab Palestinian people; it is an indivisible part of the Arab homeland, and the Palestinian people are an integral part of the Arab nation. ”
That’s out of the Palestinian charter.
They are an “Arab people” descendants of Ishmael out of the Arabian peninsula. This to me says it all.
re: #40 by Nevergiveup
Never been there, but will go eventually.
re: #38 by song_and_dance_man
Maybe they use the remnants of Israeli houses and farms left behind when Israel abandons settlements in pursuit of peace. Or maybe they use the debris from building tunnels to kidnap soldiers to ransom for terrorists who killed.
Either way, they have plenty of rocks.
re: #26 by wolfie
Be happy it’s even that.
OT: This Amazon offering is funny, but the comments are killers:
Amazon Tank
re: #38 by song_and_dance_man
Rocks-R-Us
RockaRama
Rockajew!
Mohammed’s Pebble Store
re: #43 by song_and_dance_man
you really should. It’s a great place. I gotta get back there soon.
Last night there was a link that reported they were throwing plastic chairs. I guess they’re plum out of Ottomans.
West Bank Countryside picture: Plenty of rocks
http://www.greatmirror.com/index.cfm?countryid=450&chapterid=468&picid=5&picturesize=medium
re: #48 by Nevergiveup
I intend on going and staying some day in the future. I have never been to Israel but I feel homesick for it.
linky no worky because of closing parentheses
http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/viewadditionalresource.asp?resourceID=000902
that should do it
re: #44 by Nikis Knight
Look at 50. by Nevergiveup.
One of the things I love about America’s right wing is the real support that conservatives give to Israel although the Democrats are the ones who win the “Jewish vote” (75% of it, anyway).
Conservatives support Israel because it’s the right thing to do no matter where most Jews cast their votes.
As a conservative Jew myself, it makes all the sense in the world to me to be on the right side of the aisle (literally and figuratively). It’s the right place to be.
re: #54 by Eliana
Amen
re: #38 by song_and_dance_man
Isn’t there a UN rubble recycling program ?
re: #56 by Overlook
Yeah, it’s called Jordan
re: #56 by Overlook
The Rubble-for-Rabble Program?
re: #51 by song_and_dance_man
It’s like when I went to Spain and Italy. I cried when I was in the Escorial in Madrid and seeing all the paintings of Spanish Imperial Victories. I cried in Rome when I saw the statue of The WOlf with Romulus and Remus. It was there that a loving caring Wolf raised the founders of the Latin Peoples.
re: #59 by Rodan
Steady on, old chap.
re: #38 by song_and_dance_man
The rocks are brought in and stored as ammunition for the rock throwers.
Israeli police found some stashes of large rocks a few weeks ago and removed them, but it seems to be an ongoing thing for the Arabs to provide a steady supply of rocks to throw while they’re on the supposedly third holiest site in Islam.
There are two short stories that people should read if they would understand how Israel permits itself to be harried into concession after concession:
Bontche the Silent, by Isaac Lieb Peretz, and A Whole Loaf by S.Y. Agnon.
“Bontche” is the story of a man who dies having never known a single day’s joy or pleasure. He is taken before the heavenly tribunal, where the horrors of his life are recounted, along with his silence and patience in bearing indignity after indignity. Such are the horrors of his life, that when it becomes time for the accusing angel to make the case for the prosecution, he stops and says, “He was always silent—and now I too will be silent.” The Voice from the Heavenly Throne says that because of his sufferings he does not merit merely his own portion of Paradise, but anything—all of it. “You have only to ask, and take, for it is yours.” “Really?” asks Bontche. “Yes, really.” “Really?” Bontche asks again. “Yes, yes,” he is told. “Then what I would like, please,” says Bontche, “is to have every day for breakfast a hot roll with fresh butter.”
The conclusion of the story is, “And a silence falls on the heavenly host, more terrible than Bontche’s has ever been, as the angels bow their heads in shame at the unending meekness they have created on Earth. The silence is broken as the prosecution laughs aloud, a bitter laugh.”
The Agnon story tells of a man living in Jerusalem, whose wife and children are abroad, and who therefore must find his food himself. He goes out to get food, and decides that he wants a whole loaf of bread—and he encounters a series of difficulties which frustrate him in his quest. The entire story is an allegory for the Jews in Israel trying to get a whole state.
Why do I mention these stories? Well, for one thing, they are both excellent. But more to the point, the establishment of Israel was supposed to put an end to Bontche the Silent; it was supposed to be the whole loaf. And it has not been, because the meekness of Bontche—”Really? Can I really have that? Are you sure?”—is still alive and well.
re: #33 by Nevergiveup
The question is, where do they get the Israeli flags in Jordan? It is not like they keep Israeli flags in normal Jordanian homes, do they?
re: #61 by Eliana
I like that, key word “supposedly”
Jerusalem isn’t even mentioned in the koran.
re: #63 by Incognito
Incendoflag Ltd. does very well in Arab countries.
re: #54 by Eliana
It’s just common sense to support israel. Their value system is close to ours. Also it is where the Jewish and Christian faiths sparng. As a Catholic I rather the Jews hold that land than Muslism anyday of the week. It saddens me that the Muslims have taken over Christian lebanon.
My Great Grandparents where Lebanese so I have some emotions about Lebanon.
re: #63 by Incognito
It’s probably big money to import and/or manufacture Israeli flags to burn. It’s not like Jordan makes much else after all?
re: #63 by Incognito
The flags usually appear to be homemade.
I am amazed by their advanced rock technology. Did you say they bring rocks in and store them for future use? Wow! Such foresight. this really is a breakthrough for them. No more fumbling around, looking for the perfect rock when they are involved with a peacefuol demonstration. Now rocks will be at their fingertips as soon as opportunity presents itself. This on par with inventing algebra, isn’t it?
re: #66 by Rodan
Democracy’s support other Democracies, or are suppose to. Someone please send a memo to the Obama White House.
re: #61 by Eliana
Thanks for the response to what I thought was a legitimate question with, of course, a bit of humor thrown in. No pun intended there.
I just couldn’t imagine on the Temple Mount or anywhere in Jerusalem proper there would be rocks laying around ready for pick up by the squatters.
Throwing rocks in the muslims 3rd holiest site is nothing compared to the Muslim Mash that occurs at the merry go round the Borg ship shindig.
re: #65 by buzzsawmonkey
But can it compete with Rock O’ Rama?
re: #69 by father_of_10
They also proudly make what they call the “F-11″ – the suicide bomber.
I’ve got a lovely stack of rocks to throw
Here they are a-standing in a row
Big ones, small ones, some as big as your head
Toss ‘em on down from the Temple Mount
That’s what the Arabs said
—traditional
re: #70 by Nevergiveup
What sickens me is that I have seen this before. The Media used non stop Propaganda on the Serbs to turn the American Public against them. Now they are doing the same with israel, teh difference is the influence of the Jews and Evangelicals. The Serbs had no clout and teh Evangelicals didnt stand with their Orthox Brothers. The only Serb with fame in AMerica was Blogovich and that’s not a good example of a Serb-American.
re: #62 by buzzsawmonkey
Noted.
OT- (But I need to seize the moment.)
Buzz, you need to get off your butt and start a little blog where you can post your parodies, essays, and reading suggestions.
re: #66 by Rodan
Agreed! Israel is definitely a western country with western values and it has everything to do with the influence of Judaism and Christianity on the western world.
When Jews from the Arab lands flowed into Israel (600,000 Jews shortly after Israel declared statehood) — Middle Eastern Jews took to democracy like ducks to water although many of the Jewish communities in the Arab world dated back over 2000 years.
They’d lived under Muslim tyranny in particular for 1400 years and yet they took to democracy as if they’d been living under it all their lives.
The Arab Muslim world finds this nearly impossible.
It’s a vast difference in culture. The Jews who lived in the Arab lands for century after century kept a freedom valuing culture with them no matter what the Muslims around them did. It’s a natural part of Judaism.
This is indeed why America and Israel are natural allies.
re: #59 by Rodan
I’m also of Spanish heritage but the Jewish part of me, along with my Christian faith, leans me more towards Israel than Spain.
You know, it would be funny if we could smuggle flame retardant U.S. and Israeli flags into the west bank and Muslim nations…just to watch them in their frustration
After Hemming and Hawing for a Week Pawlenty Finally Endorses Hoffman
—Gabriel Malor
Excellent. A likely 2012 candidate who can see which way the wind is blowing.
Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota is now adding to the momentum becoming the first sitting Republican Governor to endorse Hoffman. This comes on the heels of Sarah Palin’s endorsement from last week.
http://ace.mu.nu/
But the RNC still supports Dede?
Obama’s Mentors, Ayers and Dohrn, Have Hated Israel for 40 years
http://www.usasurvival.org/docs/Prairie-fire.pdf
re: #76 by wolfie
Can I hawk Kindles, too?
re: #68 by Eliana
I can just see it now. The burka’d anti-Betsy Ross sewing flags for her sons and their friends.
I think davehm is the guy who invented those birthday candles that won’t blow out.
Sick. But I like it!
re: #78 by song_and_dance_man
Well it’s different for me and you. I don’t have Jewish blood so my attachment is to teh Latin Motherlands of Spain and Italy. As a Christian I have some attachement to Israel as well. I also have attachement to Lebanon as I have Lebanese blood. But the way I was raised and my feeling are more on the Latin side.
It’s all a matter of perspective and what you are closer to.
I got my tags backwards…
re: #76 by wolfie
Yep. In the meantime, he’s always welcome to post them here!
~ that blogmocracy thang :}
Post 81. Feel free to unslash the bold tag and slash the unslashed bold tag…
re: #82 by buzzsawmonkey
NO! And you only post when the mood strikes you or when you find an oldie-but-goodie in your drawers.
But NO pictures!
Especially of anything in your drawers.
re: #79 by davehm
Now that would be a riot within a riot.
re: #80 by Nevergiveup
“But the RNC still supports Dede?”
This is one of the reasons why I switched from Republican to no party in 2006.
Everybody should stop worrying about their individual heritages and just remember:
Democracies support Democracies! It’s just that simple.
re: #92 by davehm
That’s fine, just keep voting conservative
re: #90 by wolfie
I would not go genital into that good night.
re: #84 by wolfie
You get the idea
re: #77 by Eliana
Christian lebanon was the same way. After 1400 years of Arab Muslim oppression, The Maronites had no problem helping run the place for teh French. Then it went to hell when the Palistinains, Syrian Sunni and Iraqi Shia became a majority.
re: #82 by buzzsawmonkey
And we are looking forward to better pictures of hinges, beach scenes and supertankers.
re: #87 by m
Exactly. That’s what I would hope. I just think he needs a central repository, someplace he can put his stuff and he/we can find it easily.
re: #93 by Nevergiveup
Right. We are in this fight together based on ideas and not heritage.
re: #80 by Nevergiveup
I think that endorsement is BIG. I also think Pawlenty is making a good move.
re: #77 by Eliana
Unfortunately for everyone there is no such thing as allies!
Only nations with aligned national interests.
Unless and until folks realize that reality they will forever be both shocked and saddened.
Right now American and Israeli national interests are diverging. Given the choice of buying a little time the America of the 21st. Century will sacrifice its ‘allies’ one by one so that the US gets eaten by the Islamic ‘crocodile’ … last!
The sooner Israel realizes that it is on its own and must defend itself by itself the better.
re: #100 by song_and_dance_man
Yup, that’s what I like about America. Well at least the America I know and Love.
Arab diplomat: General Assembly to discuss Goldstone report in Nov.
Published: 10.26.09, 21:21 / Israel News
An Arab diplomat at the UN has told AFP that the Goldstone report, which accuses Israel of war crimes in Gaza, will be considered by the General Assembly of the United Nations in early November, probably the 4th. (AFP)
Knock yourself out
re: #93 by Nevergiveup
Yeah, I can’t get much traction on my “support the german-swedish-irish-american indian-americans” gig for anything!
re: #22 by Rodan
Dude. I’ve finally found someone else on this planet who thinks the Serbs got the wrong end of a long shaft. Doesn’t mean Milosevic was a good guy, but the nation of Serbia definitely got the shaft for things they mostly didn’t do.
And the Chinese embassy didn’t deserve that, either.
re: #81 by Ed Mahmoud
Good post to put here. Good reminder that the Left started turning on Israel loooooooong ago.
re: #102 by Aussie Infidel
That’s what happened to the Serbs. In WW2 the Serbs saved American Fighetr Pilots. In the Cold War Yugoslavia was a defacto ally of the US. then the Saudis, Iranians, Islamic Organizations and the Progressives began exagerating what the Serbs did and covered uop what the Muslism were doing.
re: #93 by Nevergiveup
Bullshit!
Democracies do whatever it takes to suit themselves in the end!
The natural evolution of democracy is tyranny after all….. as the soft, willfully ignorant, narcissistic and complacent settle for bread and circuses and piss their hard fought for freedoms against the wall for a ‘last harrah’ of the ‘good life’.
re: #109 by Aussie Infidel
When was the last time that two political democracies waged war on each other?
Israel Defense Minister Ehud Barak is still a left winger and the head of the Labor Party, so he often says crazy lefty things that instigate a lot of eye rolling in his direction.
However…
He seems to have learned some lessons about the real nature of the Arab-Israeli conflict:
Barak: Left wrong to demand immediate solution to ME conflict
re: #54 by Eliana
And the boilerplate left-wing talking point in response to that is, they’re only doing it to bring the rapture about.
That’s only true of a tiny minority. In fact, secular conservatives (yet, they do exist; surprise!) support Israel for a completely different reason: they admire their pluck. The Israelis are the embodiment of everything conservatives admire; independence, determination, competence, daring.
That’s the real reason why American conservatives admire and support Israelis.
re: #108 by Rodan
“In the Cold War Yugoslavia was a defacto ally of the US.”
Tito may not have been a Stalinist lackey, but he was a full fledged communist and no fiend of ours. he alogn with his unmentionable friend Nasser (along with Nehru) tired to run the Third World. tito betrayed Imre nagy of Hungary in 1956 as well.
re: #107 by wolfie
Yes they did, I remember talking with a girl at a coffee shop in 2003 very progressive very pro Palestine.
re: #111 by Eliana
Barak was never a left winger (by U.S.) standards.
Krauthammer interview about Obama, health care and cap & trade
‘Obama Is Average’
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,656501,00.html
re: #106 by snork
As a Hispanic Roman Catholic I totally understood what my Orthox Christian Serb Brothers did. The Turks raped and abused them for 500 years and Al-Qaeda tried to set up shop in Bosnia. The Bosnian Government was trying to establish an Islamic Republic and the Serbs were not having it.
What the Serbs did was nothing compared with what my Spanish ancestors did during the Reconquista or the wars with the Turks. To defeta Islam only brutality wins.
Thank God the US and Nato was not around during teh liberation of Spain. They would of attacked us to help the Moors.
re: #112 by snork
America and Israel also have exceptionalism in common.
It’s conservatives who value this, not liberals!
re: #102 by Aussie Infidel
‘Right now American and Israeli national interests are diverging.”
Correction: Israeli and Obama interests are diverging.
re: #113 by Speranza
Oh yeah bhe played around with that Non ALigned Crap. SOmething you find interesting, The Serbs hate Tito.
I am not even joking, they despise him!
re: #108 by Rodan
The Serbs have always been at the cutting edge of the Islamic world. Folks who live on the fault lines between what these days are laughingly called Judeo-Christian democracies and the Islamic world are constantly involved in a low level war with Islam. For years the serbs held the line until it suited the West to knife them in the back to curry favour in the Middle East. And we all know how long that honeymoon lasted don’t we? The Serbs are nasty pieces of humanity and carried out multiple atrocities against the Islamists. hey also endured atrocities for 400 years from their Islamic ‘betters’, the Turks.
It suited the US and Euros to sacrifice the Serbs. Expect other so called ‘allies’ of the US to be sacrificed as well when the situation suits the US. Israel please note.
re: #120 by Rodan
Tito was a Croat.
This could get interesting, but alas I have some aladam chores to do. BBL.
re: #119 by Speranza
Last time I looked the great American majority ‘coach potato’ Mall Rat generation supported Obama Administration. Most US citizens couldn’t tell you what, if anything, is going down in Washington. They are either too narcissistically wrapped up in themselves or too stresses just trying to keep themselves economically viable to care much about anybody else.
More bread and circuses for everyone.
It’s the ….
… ‘and please don’t confuse me with the facts as it makes my head hurt and makes me miss my favorite ’sitcom’. ‘
… attitude that will finally destroy your Republic
Dropping Some History On Y’all
http://www.aish.com/jw/j/48953801.html
re: #122 by Speranza
That and they said he was too nice to the Muslism who sided with the Nazis. The Serbs despise the Nazis with a passion.
re: #121 by Aussie Infidel
You aniled it. They backstabbed Serbia and Greece (Occupation of Cyprus). They backstabbed the Lebanese Christians and now it is Israel’s turn. The Progressives and Internationalists do anything to please Islamic countries. I can’t wait until we finally have an American Governmnet that tells the Muslim countries to go fuck off!
re: #125 by WrathofG-d
The part about the largest stones being larger than the stones of the Pyramids is very interesting indeed.
Makes one think of the story of the shamir, the miraculous worm which according to tradition split the stones so that no implement of warfare would be used to make them.
re: #118 by Eliana
BINGO! Give the lady a cigar.
There are only about 35% true conservatives left in the US I believe. Sure there are RINOs aplenty and fence sitting independents and the odd Blue Dog Democrat.
I think that America is no longer a conservative society that values freedom. I think that the majority are now either liberal or narcissistic hedonists living for themselves and ‘party time’ as the Republic disintegrates around their ears.
The America of the ‘Great Generation’ has long since disappeared.
It’s not as if this is anything new.
We are now experiencing the watershed moment between the Republic and the Empire just as Rome did before us.
The tyrant and emperor are now taking centre stage. I’m sure that there were a lot of Romans who felt much the same as the US conservatives now feel. Didn’t do the Roman Republicans much good then and apparently it’s not doing the American conservatives much good either 2100 years later!
Caroline Glick – “The Myth of the Two-State Solution”
re: #128 by Aussie Infidel
At least the Roman EMpire fought it’s enemies!
re: #124 by Aussie Infidel
I totally concur!!
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It is nearly impossible to reason with the sort of people which you described. The world is all about them, they deserve everything, and they deserve it now! They are consumed with class envy and are ignorant about what is going on outside of their own little worlds.
It could very well be, as you say, the downfall of America.
re: #117 by Rodan
That sorry episode also played right into Putin’s hands, providing the Russian people with a reason to distrust the west in general, and America in particular. We’re paying for that now, and so are the Russians.
re: #128 by Aussie Infidel
The tyrant and emperor are now taking centre stage. I’m sure that there were a lot of Romans who felt much the same as the US conservatives now feel. Didn’t do the Roman Republicans much good then and apparently it’s not doing the American conservatives much good either 2100 years later!
If you’ll pardon another reading recommendation, I suggest Robert Graves’ essay, “It Was a Stable World,” which described the Roman Empire in its early stages. The essay can be found in the volume “Occupation: Writer” (which itself may not be easy to find).
Graves has his flaws, certainly, but he did know the classical world very well, and his description of Rome and its transition from Republic to Empire rings pretty true.
http://www.onejerusalem.org on The Arab Radicals Encouraging Violence in Jerusalem
re: #128 by Aussie Infidel
More of us “identify” as conservative (40% conservative, 20% liberal)… but for some reason (yeah i know… lots of reasons) it didn’t lead to votage!
Gallup 10-26-09
re: #126 by Rodan
Actually Rodan it’s not the Islamists who are the REAL enemy here. The real enemy is small ‘l’ liberalism and trans-national progressivism. I’m due to meet with a Cabinet Minister ‘Tranzi- Prog’ on Friday to discuss defence issues. I’m not sure whether to try to ‘game him’ to get what little I can out of him or just punch his stinking elitist lights out.
I know what’d make me feel better!
Nine months of inconclusive US diplomacy
By Rami G. Khouri
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=5&article_id=107889
re: #133 by buzzsawmonkey
Thank you for the reading recommendation. I’ll look it up.
I’m NOT saying that the Roman Empire was immediately a lousy place to live, Far from it. But the seeds of Roman destruction were planted with the arrival of the tyrant ( in the classical sense of the word) and the diminution of the Republican spirit, with all of its warts and contradictions and human failings.
True Republican Democracy will always be ‘messy’ and ‘tiresome’ and frustrating but it is still one of only a few methods of democratic governance that works in the long term.
For anyone who feels icky about having such a dislike of the “Phakestinians”, I present the following:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k
re: #135 by m
Ahh but there is the rub!
Talk is cheap.
Most denizens of the modern democratic state think that they have too much to lose to really rock the boat of state too hard …. until it’s way too late to alter the elitist anti-democratic statist tyranny … until it’s way too late to change anything.
Would you be able to count on one hand associates of yours who would willingly flush their house, lifestyle and family away to fight to save their republic/
i know that i couldn’t.
Alas the power of the modern state is very able to keep its populous under control and powerless through the application of technology. The state can now effectively use the very power of technology that allows social connection to deny connectiveness as well. Such is the two edged sword of the modern wired society.
re: #136 by Aussie Infidel
Yes sir, that’s why I rearely write about islam or Jihad. It’s teh Progressives who need to be beaten. Defeat the Progressives and the Islamists will be easily beaten.
re: #139 by WrathofG-d
I hope you know I agree with you. I’ve only ever known one. She was a very beautiful woman, a Christian. Delectable, as it were.
Until the subject turned to the Jews. I was totally shocked when this happened. Totally. This was during Clinton’s various attempts to win the Nobel Peace Prize (I bet he went apeshit when Obama got it. Good for him. I’m rarely on his side, but for once I agree with him).
Shocking. That was all I could say. Shocking. Things might have been different, but my best friend in Tallahassee was a Jewish woman (could it have been more? Sure, but she chose not and she was right. I love her to this day, and wish her nothing but the best). The anti-Semitism revolted me. Pretty or not, I had seen something of this woan’s dark soul.
She is the Palestinians to me. If she could be that way, how much moreso the Mohammedan who grew up in Ramallah?
re: #130 by Rodan
Alas it was not to soft sons of Rome who joined the legions. It was sub-contracted out to the former barbarians to fight in Rome’s stead while Romans stopped breeding and working and gave themselves over to bread & circuses. …. anyone for the Mall, a Hollywood blockbuster and Oprah ?
There is nothing so sad as a disintegrating democratic Republic entering its death spiral whilst in full denial mode!
Obama is “Disgusted” with Israel
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=112998
Its from a few weeks ago, but very ON TOPIC.
re: #141 by Rodan
The Mohammedans need to know where we stand. You and I aren’t too far apart, I think.
The Mohammedans deserve to know that. That is about all I’ll give them as a right, though.
re: #139 by WrathofG-d
Nothing icky about my distaste. EEWW!
You know, a liberal once told me that the video of the paleos cheering was from a different time – not that day.
I guess he thought I wasn’t paying attention to the world and would fall for it.
re: #144 by WrathofG-d
That fucker is a piece of shit. I don’t even have to read the post. When Obama gave Israel his timeline, he was setting them up for selling them out.
A better Israeli PM would have called him out on it, but that is about the most you guys could have done. He’ll do what he does. Just understand that we ALL don’t support him. Most of us don’t support him…
And did everyone see the OMG!!11TY!! PONIES!!11TY!!
Just in case you missed it. I am going to sigh now…
[sigh]
Good afternoon, y’all!
The parrot just ran the cat off. How very interesting. The shit that must go on when I am not around…
re: #141 by Rodan
Yup. You nailed it Rodan.
The Islamists are an easy target. But they are an impossible target as long as there are liberal progressives undermining our efforts to beat militant Islam.
… and house divided … and all that!
Actually i should be cunning and slip some eye drops into the Minister’s drink on Friday. He’s got an Electorate meeting back at his offices straight after he sees my bunch. I doubt that he’ll be able to refrain from shitting his trousers whilst crossing back across the harbour bridge on his way to that meeting. …. and i’d have complete deniability.
Punching his Tranzi-Prog lights out would make me feel a little better however. Still I’d know that he was shitting blue lights and that may be enough for now! HEH!
re: #149 by goddessoftheclassroom
{goddessoftheclassroom}
Welcome! We’re discussing the minutia of my pets and genocide! Somewhere in there is making the wives of Senators into prostitutes! I am having a grand time!
How are you this fine afternoon?
re: #152 by Iron Fist
I’m fine but tired.
As I’ve said elsewhere, I have NEVER understood antisemitism.
I still have a slight Southern accent, and sometimes I elide words. Friday I said to some girls, “Would you pass these papers back?” Several students looked at me in horror, thinking I said something about a “Jew” (did you). Thankfully, the Jewish student understood the situation and was not offended; he paid me the compliment of knowing that I would never think, let alone say, something insulting.
Today we spoke about it, and he said that at first thought he heard it because he’s used to other’s making some remark.
re: #153 by goddessoftheclassroom
Interesting. I have a very heavy southern acent. Talk to Wahabbicorridor about that sometime
She knows me.
She’ll hear those words in my voice if she is reading. It isn’t threatening when she hears it, nor should it be to her. Think on it some more and the meaning could change completely withought changing tone or inflection.
I mean nothing but that it is interesting.
I am glad that you are well. I am certain that you are a delight and blessing to your students. If they should not find it so, I could come give a talk.
I’m shure Ah’d bee Klearre…
Members of Congress Actually Do Something Right
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/10/members-of-congress-call-on-obama-to-quash-jewish-libel-goldstone-report.html
re: #153 by goddessoftheclassroom
Today we spoke about it, and he said that at first thought he heard it because he’s used to other’s making some remark.
…and, of course, bristled in response.
A top Palestinian Authority official was among those arrested Sunday for attacking police officers during riots at the Temple Mount.
Ah, those “moderate” “peace partners”.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/134028
re: #157 by WrathofG-d
Obama’s best friends?
re: #157 by WrathofG-d
Jack the Ripper was doing moderate outreach to London Prostitutes…
re: #154 by Iron Fist
You are so kind!
Abbas threatening to quit (which was mentioned above) is an old and tired tactic. It is usually used when Abbas feels he needs to go-all-out on the sympathy racket to get what he wants.
Although tried numerous times on Bush it never worked (or at least I don’t remember it working, feel feel to correct me).
Some President however seems to be falling for it hook, line & sinker.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/134065
(he is predisposed for this sort of thing)
Hey everybody, what’s happening? zero still president?
Beck is wearing his glasses for the geek effect. I bet Charles just shit something precious and valuable. A Golden Hemorrhoid (Hemorrchid…)…
Dangerous speech…
re: #162 by Rightside
{Rightside}
I’m just leaving, but I wanted to say hi!
re: #153 by goddessoftheclassroom
People hear those kinds of things because they’re looking for them. It’s a sort of subconscious version of the “gotcha” game they play at 1.0. It’s like the people who flip out when someone correctly says “snigger” or “niggardly”. They’re playing a game of “gotcha”; they just may not even realize it themselves.
Wow, the peace dividend. Glad Israel ethnically cleansed thousands of Jews from Gaza. Sure worked out pretty well. Those “Kahanists” were really wrong about that one….
/not!
Taliban helping Gaza militants make deadlier roadside bombs?
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1123406.html
I know…let’s give them more land, more autonomy, more training, and more money! That should do the trick!
idiots!
Obama stalled the peace talks with his demand for an end to settlement-building. Mind you there are no new settlements being built, just continued improvements and repairs to infrastructure and building contracts that take years to complete. Obama threw the end to any construction out there and the Palestinians took the ball and ran with it.
re: #165 by snork
People hear those kinds of things because they’re looking for them. It’s a sort of subconscious version of the “gotcha” game they play at 1.0. It’s like the people who flip out when someone correctly says “snigger” or “niggardly”. They’re playing a game of “gotcha”; they just may not even realize it themselves.
I was joking with a black friend many years ago. He said something funny, and I said, “Giggle; snigger.” He—joking—said, “Please; snegro,” and we both guffawed.
The Arabs know who is there to butter their bread, don’t they!?
They make up a claim, tell their people to riot because of it, then they run to the U.N. to get the “World” to blame Israel.
-Eh, it works every time, so I guess…why not!
PA wants UN to send special envoy to report on Jerusalem violence
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1256150053838
NOW HERE is something I know we can all discuss. It would probably make a great Thread, but I’m going to post it here instead:
Why Israel Isn’t Winning The Media War Game.
THE REST!
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/losing_israel_1.html
re: #169 by WrathofG-d
Maybe they can send some Lawyer from South Africa, because we know how impartial they are?
OH, I almost forgot this tidbit I got from CiJ.
re: #164 by goddessoftheclassroom
{goddess} have a great day.
re: #169 by WrathofG-d
More specifically Hamas knows who signs their paychecks. The current dustup is being manipulated by Iran.
Wow, there’s nopbody fucking over at LGF anymore, is there? I mean, there’s a few who will try and maker their ass look good,m but they’ve got no more traffic than we do, do they? I bet when you look at the traffic of all the LGF diaspora, you have soemthing that equals and exceedes LGF at her top. Congrats, Charles. I know you are reading this. You rammed it into the ground. That took unusual skill.
Skill at fucking up. Hope you enjoy the unemployment…
Oh, yeah, you can’t get that, can you. Oops…
re: #175 by Iron Fist
There is also nobody disagreeing anymore over there. They speaketh with one voice it seems.
re: #174 by Rancher
Yes, I guess Iran could be looking for an excuse to get the attention off of them, and to nuke Israel.
Hmmmm, a fight between Iran, Russia, the Arab world, and Israel over Jerusalem….
~dang, that sounds familiar.
re: #4 by buzzsawmonkey
Interesting choice of word there; “rule”. I think that choice was not accidental– BHO is trying to assert a new theme in the American body politic and many do not like it. Americans do not want to be ruled. They don’t mind being led so long as they want to go in the direction in which they are being led.
re: #108 by Rodan
Serbs also people the Prinz Eugen division (you know, for the Nazis).
OT:
Turkey Budding Up With Iran, Verbally Attacking Israel
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2009/10/erdogan-ahmadinejad-is-our-friend.html#links
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Monday that Senate Democrats will include in the health care reform bill a government-backed health insurance program that allows states to opt out if they can come up with an alternative.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/26/reid-offers-details-public-plan-health-care/
So the states can opt out if they come up with the exact same thing? Hum? Does he think we are morons? Oh yeah i forgot Obama and Reid both got elected. Never mind
re: #180 by WrathofG-d
Well not big surprise, that has been in the works since the Muslims took conrtol in Ankara
re: #178 by calcajun
There is the story of the English lord who asked the cowboy, “Where is your Master, my good man?”
‘Son-of-a-Bitch ain’t been born yet.’
Rant on,
President Obama pledged on Monday not to “rush the solemn decision” to send more troops to battle in Afghanistan as he weighs military options on what to do next in the troubled war.
“I won’t risk your lives unless it is absolutely necessary,” Obama told service men and women at Naval Air Station Jacksonville. He promised a “clear mission” with defined goals and the equipment needed to get the job done.
If the asswipe currently occupying the White House had said that as a platoon commander in Vietnam while his troops were being mortared or shot at from a known enemy position, I guarantee that the next sound he would hear would be the grenade spoon going “bling” as it headed in his general direction.
Hey chomp do your job as CiC and be a LEADER
Rant off.
Setting up beautifully, just like the Book said it would. Sheer speculation on my behalf, but when Israel is forced to attack Iran, I believe the rest of the world will quickly turn against them as the “brutalizers.”
Israel will quickly be demoted by team Obama, the feckless U.N., and a fickle American public too shallow to understand the ramifications. The public will be much too concerned with their gasoline price at the pump going up another 20 cents.
Team Obama will also dither, with words saying one thing, and deeds proving quite another and at best a weak ally. In most capacities, Israel will be left to dry.
Israel will find herself alone to defend herself after doing a favor for the rest of the world not capable of recognizing good or evil – just as it must be.
re: #185 by Goodbye_Natalie
Going to go up a hell of allot higher than that. Also all hell will break out as Hamas, Hezbollah, and Al Qaeda do a “TeT Offensive” on Israel, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Sunni Arab states will privately cheer but the entire Muslim world will back Iran. Syria may even try to regain the Golan Heights. It will be a hell of tough attack for Israel to pull off and will only set back Iran’s bomb for about five years. If you noticed I used the word hell a lot it’s for an obvious reason, the world will literally go to hell. Hopefully Khamenei will die soon and Iran will implode, it’s our only hope, Obama sure isn’t.
Israel as Prometheus
Prometheus, in the Greek myths, was the Titan who stole fire from the wheels of Zeus’ chariot and gave it to mankind. In punishment, Zeus had him chained to a rock, where every day a vulture (some say, an eagle) would tear out his liver. Every night his liver would regenerate for the same to happen again the next day.
Israel is Prometheus. It did not bring fire to mankind, but it has brought democracy to the Middle East, and a homeland to the Jews, whence scientific, technical, and agricultural research have brought countless benefits to mankind.
Yet, like Prometheus, Israel has not reaped honor or comfort. Every day the “peace process” seeks to devour the nation, as the vulture devoured Prometheus’ liver. Israel rises afresh each day–and each day the world again decries its existence, demands concessions, and seeks to aid and comfort those who would destroy it.
After many years, the hero Heracles slew the vulture and freed Prometheus from his chains. Who will be the hero who will slay the vulture of a bogus “peace process” and free the state of Israel?
re: #175 by Iron Fist
Strait down on afterburner!
re: #187 by buzzsawmonkey
I know who it is!!
He will be sitting on the throne of David!!
re: #189 by Incognito
I think the waqf found the Throne of David on the Temple Mount and chopped it up to grill shwarma.
re: #110 by Speranza
Those who don’t know history are condemned to repeat it!
Britain and Argentina (yes the majority of Argentinians supported the Generals). Viche France (and YES the French had political parties from which to choose and were democratic. ) and the British in Madagascar during WWII with some 1500 British casualties. Viche France and the Brits and Australians in Syria during WWII, when the Aussies whipped the French Foreign Legion and kicked them our of the Middle east. The British and Free French not aligned to de Gaulle and Britain when the Royal Navy sank the French fleet at anchor and killed 2-3000 French sailors during the early part of WWII. Singapore and Malaysia over water and partitioning of Singapore from the Malay Federation in the 1970s. Bolivia (yes Bolivia was democratic ) and Chile / Argentina / Brazil/ Paraguay at various times during the late 1800 and early 1900s. Greece and Turkey over Cyprus. The US against Britain and France Suez 1956, Poland and Czechs just prior to the German and Russian advance into Poland, Britain and the US almost came to blows in 1928. Britain and the US in the 1980s in Oman fought a nasty war through surrogates. Philippines and Malaysians over the oil rights in the Spratley Islands in the 1990s. Omanis for the UK and Saudis for the US over oil fields bordering Oman (the US lost that one!). Indonesia and Malaysia over Sarawak and Sabah in the 1960s with The war of Confrontation, (yes Indonesia was a democracy although it had an all powerful party dominating the electorate completely. India and Pakistan … twice…. and they weren’t minor scuffles but full blown wars. I could go on and on ad nauseum but you get the drift.
re: #189 by Incognito
Good answer
It’s not often that a Cowboy fan roots for the Redskins but I am tonight. It’s not going well however…
re: #193 by Rancher
The ‘Skins problems are very deep. Pun intended.
Israel is NOT weak! It is easily in the top 15 military powers, and it has been a nuclear power since the mid-morning of the nuclear age. The Jewish people INVENTED the nuclear weapon.
I hope Israel kicks Iran’s ass back to the stone age which, admittedly, would not be much of a change. Bush gave them I-model fighters (the “I” stands for Israel) with the range to hit Iran and safely return. USE THEM.
Israel also has the longest-range cruise missiles in the world and German-built submarines capable of launching them right off the Southern coast of Iran. USE THEM.
America will not bail you out under this muslim, communist administration. Obama wants a strong, nuclear Iran capable of defending its borders from anyone because this provides an impenetrable buffer state for Russia, as likely his homeland as anywhere.