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Violent clashes erupt at Jerusalem’s holiest site
JERUSALEM – Israeli police firing stun grenades faced off Sunday against masked Palestinian protesters hurling stones and plastic chairs outside the Holy Land’s most volatile shrine, where past violence has escalated into prolonged conflict.
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The Jerusalem holy site is a hot-button issue for Muslims worldwide, and the Palestinian condemnation was quickly taken up abroad. The head of the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference warned that any provocative act by Israel “would bear grave consequences,” while the Arab League called on the U.N. to “stop the Israeli aggressions.” Egypt urged Israel to refrain from actions with “negative repercussions” for the region.
The Islamic militant Hamas movement, which rules the Gaza Strip, called on Palestinians to rise up against Israel and urged Arab countries that have ties to Israel to sever them.
Nine police officers were lightly wounded and 18 protesters were detained, police said. The Palestinian president’s adviser on Jerusalem affairs and a leader from Israel’s Islamic Movement were arrested for alleged incitement, police said.
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The disputing claims to the man-made platform in Jerusalem’s Old City lie at the heart of the Israel-Palestinian conflict. It is revered as the holiest site in Judaism, home to two biblical Temples, and Jews pray at the foot of the compound at the Western Wall.
In the Islamic tradition, it is the place where the Prophet Muhammad ascended to heaven in a nighttime journey recounted in the Quran, and is considered the third-holiest site after the Saudi cities of Mecca and Medina.
Israel has carried out numerous archaeological digs in nearby areas, but has denied Palestinian allegations that the work could endanger the compound.
The Palestinians seek to make east Jerusalem — including the holy compound — the capital of a future independent state. Israel’s government says it will not share control of the holy city.
(thanks to BenZacharia and Bumr50 for the link)
(and thanks to Nevergiveup for the next one:)
Hamas: War will settle Jerusalem dispute, not talks
Following a conflagration of violence at Temple Mount in Jerusalem on Sunday, Hamas political leader Khaled Meshal declared that “Jerusalem’s fate will be decided with jihad (holy war) and resistance, and not negotiations.”
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Arab MK: Israel provoking a billion Muslims over Temple Mount
An Israeli Arab lawmaker warned earlier Sunday that Israel was “provoking” the Muslim world by cracking down on Arab rioters on the Temple Mount in Jeruslaem.
“Israel is provoking a billion Muslims around the world, who will not hesitate to protect the Temple Mount with their own bodies,” said MK Talab Al-Sana (United Arab List-Ta’al).
As snork said, he’s admitting it is the Temple Mount and not al-Haram al-Sharif (the Nobel Santuary)? He must be one of those mythical Loyal Arab Israelis.
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Previously, at the Blogmocracy:
Um…About Those “Loyal” Israeli-Arabs
About Those “Loyal” Israeli-Arabs…
Israeli Muslim Leader Attacks Police!
Tags: Temple Mount
Hamas wants another war? Some peace partner. The Arabs never fail to miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
Mohammedans for a Judenrein Jerusalem. Is there anywhere they Don’t want Judenrein? Didn’t think so. Why can’t people see what is so bleeding fucking obvious?
Here we go again. Take the high ground, IDF.
Meanwhile:
Palestinians make ‘largest dress’
Lebanon attempts to affirm ownership of hummus with 4,500lb dish
Allah[swt] will use palestinians as cannon fodder…we know who the true Muslims are.lol
hi kids
For those who have not yet read this–or those who have:
The Mosque Upon the Mount
Mohammed rode the night horse, or so the Muslims say
Mohammed rode the night horse to a mosque so far away
And his followers the Muslims, coming after his death, claim
That the mosque upon the Mount is the mosque the Koran names.
Never mind the mosque upon the Mount was never even there
At the time Mohammed–so they claim–took his ride in the air.
Never mind the mosque upon the Mount was built in later days–
Mere factual reality did ne’er a Muslim faze.
Broadcast on Al-jazeera, in the seething Arab street,
Are echoed calls to Muslims that they must not retreat
That they must not cede unto the Jews they hold of no account
Possession of the Mountain and the mosque upon the Mount.
The Muslims lost the mosque and lost the Mount on which it stands
A foolish choice was made then that it stay within their hands
And feverishly ever they work so as to erase
The record of the Temple there–which must take pride of place.
The world stands by complacent at the Mount destruction news–
When cared the nations for the holy places of the Jews?
But bad though the nations’ silence be, the silence that is worse
Is that of Jews who stand by as the destruction occurs.
Why should a people conquered justly through the force of arms
Be permitted to retain a symbol that does lasting harm?
Why should the conquered be allowed to rule the Temple Mount
And by this hold their conquerors to be of no account?
The mosque upon the Mount is beautiful, or so they say
But like the earlier Temple, it also may pass away–
The mosque was built to show who’d conquered many years ago;
The reason it was raised is also why it now must go.
O Jews, who claim Jerusalem is still your capital
How can you claim this when the Mountain still remains in thrall?
It is in thrall by your consent. Jerusalem will be
Your capital united when the Mount has been set free.
re: #4 by m
real men don’t eat that hummas stuff do they?
re: #8 by mawskrat
Well, I ate a bunch today, not a bad dish indeed!
The temple mount belongs to the Hebrew and no talks or adventures in like towards peace will resolve the matter. The only solution is to boot the Muslims out by force.
re: #7 by buzzsawmonkey
I can’t find the upding button…… Thanks BSM
re: #4 by m
“I have here a plate of hummus that guarantees chickpeas in our time.”
If anybody’s ever been there, it’s pretty clear why they can’t divide the city, leaving Jewish claims to the Mount aside. It gives them the high ground over the West Wall. Strategically unacceptable.
The Al-Aqsa mosque was an old Roman warehouse piled high with garbage when some deranged dude said that it was the “far mosque”. He managed to get a number of people to help him clean the junk and crap out from in front and inside, and they eventually built the structure seen there today on top of the old Roman structure. It’s obvious from pictures on the inside that it was build on the remains of an older Roman Building.
When the Mohos came, they destroyer the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. I don’t understand why the Crusaders didn’t pulverize Al-Aqsa when they finally got there. It was destroyed several times by earthquakes. Draw your own conclusions.
re: #12 by buzzsawmonkey
MEEP!
re: #5 by mawskrat
Hear, hear. The Palestinians, the true Arabs when you think about it, are not welcome in Islamic nations like Egypt and Jordan, but Israel’s neighbors are more than willing to use them in order to get rid of Israel. In the end, they will realize too late the folly of their making war on Israel.
re: #9 by savage
I really don’t know much about the stuff, but if I can eat okra I can eat hummas
re: #7 by buzzsawmonkey
I didn’t even see that when I wrote 13.
re: #15 by Morgan
If they don’t realize it yet, they never will.
Hummus is addictive.
re: #16 by mawskrat
It’s pretty yummy. I add salt to it.
Hummus is addictive.
There is nothing like it with warm Pita bread.
i don’t get the Israelis. Why not put real bullets into these assholes heads. Seriously, Israel needs to man up and put these Barbarians in their place.
That’s all I will say because after all we can’t insult the Muslims crap heads.
re: #17 by snork
They complement each other nicely.
re: #22 by Rodan
Bullets? I’d light up a damn flamethrower and torch those mofo’s but good.
BTW, that’s the best weapon in Grand Theft Auto III by far, even better than the Molotov Cocktail.
re: #24 by savage
I swear Israel is too nice with these losers. If they act up, I say just kill them. Israel should form Death squads and hunt these Barbarians down.
re: #22 by Rodan
Exactly. There is no point in trying to take the “moral high ground”. If people can’t see the difference between the Israelisshooting rock throwing rioters and Islamonazis blowing themselves up to kill kids, then there really isn’t anything Israel can do to win the “hearts and minds” of those people.
It is way past time to do unto others…
re: #25 by Rodan
Indeed!
re: #26 by Iron Fist
Yup Israel should arm the Palestinian Christians who are no fans of these Savages and allow them to do what the Lebanese Christians did at Shatilla and Sabra!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
Sharon was the man for helping the Maronites! I love what the Maronite did to the Palestinians, just gun those Savages down!
re: #25 by Rodan
I could live with that.
re: #29 by DEZ
Shatilla and Sabra is the blue print of how to deal with Arab Muslims. Arm Arab Christians and let them unleash 1400 years of anger over Dhimmitude on their oppressors.
I’m not really pleased by talk of such things as “death squads,” much as I appreciate the sentiments of support behind them. I’d be happy enough if the IDF were permitted to finish a job of work, as it was not in Lebanon or more recently in Gaza, without getting into the whole “death squad” thing.
If Gaza has shown us anything, it is that even when Israel acts under extreme provocation to which it has shown extreme forbearance, and that even when it takes extraordinary care to avoid collateral damage to civilians (made more difficult by its adversaries specifically making civilians targets), it still is tarred by the world at large as having engaged in “war crimes.”
With that in mind, Israel should not go to “death squads,” but merely to taking ordinary rather than extraordinary care, and should declare a job finished when it is done, not when it thinks the world will cut it some slack.
re: #22 by Rodan
Simple, Rodan. The Israeli elite are mostly Progressive. Their relation to Jews who love the land is comparable to the American Progressives’ relationship to unrepentant, patriotic, sensible Americans.
To keep power, the elite must split their opponents. For example, they buy off the Haredim/ultra-Orthodox elite, who keep their followers in shtetles, ill-equipped for a modern society. Relevant names for fake rabbis would include Ovadiah “Shades” Yosef (the Sephardic fake) and Yosef $holom Elya$hiv (the Lithuanian fake). These “rabbis” kosher the regime’s actions.
The bottom line is that the Israeli elite are in bed with the Mohamedans, so long as said Mohamedans can be used to kill Jews in Judea and Samaria.
re: #32 by sk (skzion)
What you said is what I have been told by my Jewish/Israeli friends.
re: #24 by savage
There’s a youtube of somebody who made a spud gun that shoots 1 liter balloons of gasoline. Waaaaay too much fun. It’s like a flame thrower canon.
re: #31 by buzzsawmonkey
Gaza also shows something more obvious: that it’s not about “occupation”.
re: #35 by snork
Well, anyone whose head was not jammed squarely upside their own fundament knew that already.
Too bad that lets out the bulk of the current Administration.
re: #28 by Rodan
The politicians and people of Israel have to ask themselves what they are willing to do to survive. Israel has offered more than was prudent for peace, and had that rejected in favor of terrorism.
You have to be deluded to believe that anything other than the vast majority of Palestinians support war. Given the choice, the Palestinians chose Hamas. While surely there are some in Gaza and the West Bank that do not support terrorist war with Israel, even there you will find pragmatic “we keep getting our ass handed to us, so let’s quit dying and have peace” rather than any real love of peace itself.
All Palestinians, even the Christians, are so steeped in anti-Semitism it is hard to see how they can get away from it. It is a cancer that needs to be cut out.
re: #32 by sk (skzion)
The big myth is that Israel is a bunch of ultra-Orthodox religious fanatics. In reality, the religious groups are the smallest group, the secular Zionists north and south of Tel Aviv are the largest, and the moonbats of Tel Aviv are like the moonbats of New York or Los Angeles.
It’s the same urban/rural dichotomy that you find everywhere. Except Jerusalem. Jerusalem is its own entity, and the ordinary rules don’t apply there.
To repeat myself, the “Palestinian” leaders since the Mufti were the inheritors of the genocidal Nazi ideology, which has taken strong root in the fertile soil of the ideology of Islamic domination.
The Israelis are fighting the vestigial remnant of armed Nazism; since its birth, Israel has been fighting the closing battles of WWII.
re: #31 by buzzsawmonkey
The way to go, as you have said, is to not let the world dictate with lopsided criticism the ongoing maneuvers or outcome of pushing back the aggression that Islam forces upon its adherents as they attempt to end the state of Israel.
Israel bent over backwards, from the prodding of Bush I, when Saddam was hurling rockets into Israel during the first Gulf War (ha, first – not) to stay out of the fight when Israel had a very real and just right to bomb Iraq for their outright provocation. And in this current case it would not be unjust of Israel to use, as you say, ordinary caution to stop this latest push by the Muslims with a level and appropriate force.
What the world has to say when ones very existence is being challenged should be the least matter to consider.
All the hyperbole aside, Ariel Sharon most certainly did NOT intend for the Lebanese Christians to take out their revenge for being the victims of past massacres via the attack on “Palestinians” in Sabra and Shatilla.
The issue was whether or not Sharon and the IDF should have foreseen that such a revenge attack might be possible.
NO WAY did Ariel Sharon or the IDF order this revenge attack.
It doesn’t help Israel for anyone to get so wrapped up with enthusiasm in support for Israel that they start claiming that Israel did things to people that Israel absolutely did not do.
Please don’t make such claims here.
Thanks.
re: #34 by snork
Ha. I saw that. Forget the rocks and plastic chairs. Rocks are old school, but the chairs are new wave.
I think this is being directed by Iran. Is Khamenei still in a coma?
re: #39 by buzzsawmonkey
Absolutely right!
The War Against the Jews in the mid-20th Century has never stopped.
It’s gone to a lower level of intensity since the downfall of Nazi Germany, but it’s no coincidence that the anti-Semitic political cartoons in the Arab Muslim world that show such images as Jews being spiders who swallow up the world are strikingly similar to German political cartoons in the buildup and execution of their War Against the Jews.
re: #41 by Eliana
Another thing that many people don’t understand is that the enemy of an enemy thing doesn’t work there. Christian Palestinians me be persecuted by Muslims, but that doesn’t drive them into the Israeli’s arms. Too much Arab affinity. Druze get along well with the Israelis (and Bahais, etc.), but the Arab Christians you can never be sure about.
re: #44 by Eliana
I think there’s a large degree of “monkey see, monkey do” involved with the Arab emulation of Nazis.
Was that racist?
re: #46 by snork
I’ll ask Charles…oh wait, I’m banned.
re: #45 by snork
Also, the Christian Arabs don’t have the strength to fight Fatah and Hamas. No matter what they think of the Muslims who persecute them in the Arab areas of Judea, Samaria, and eastern Jerusalem — they have a lot to fear about what will happen if they try to rise up against them.
Speaking out against Israel has no punishment.
Being regarded as a collaborator who helps Israel is punishable by being hung upside down from a lamp post with ones entrails falling all over the ground.
The Christian Arabs in Judea and Samaria are justifiably afraid, which is why most of them have already left.
re: #45 by snork
the enemy of my enemy….is my enemys enemy,no more,no less.
re: #43 by Rancher
It is being directed by Allah, who just happens to be a fallen creature that now hates God for losing his station in the angelic hierarchy. He intends on disrupting Gods plan for the seed of Abraham and his program of deceit will ultimately fail.
re: #46 by snork
Most of the Arab world allied with Hitler during WWII. They bragged in 1948 and beyond that they would “finish Hitler’s work.”
The Arabs and Germans had planned for death camps in the Middle East during WWII. Germany had planned to conquer the Palestine Mandate and work with the Arab nations to exterminate all the Middle Eastern Jews. Most of the Arab leaders were totally on board with this.
It didn’t work out for them, thank G-d.
They’ve never repented for their plans, though.
This bit of history keeps going unnoticed by most.
re: #46 by snork
It’s more like they were monkeys and so am I. Those other monkeys did what we have been doing but better.
re: #51 by Eliana
As well as who the uncle of the Nobel Peace Prize winner was.
re: #8 by mawskrat
Recommended it to a throat cancer survivor who couldn’t swallow enough chewed protein to keep from wasting away.
I eat Mezze regularly and am better for it.
re: #8 by mawskrat
Actually I do like hummus
re: #51 by Eliana
Now that is something I have never heard nor read. They were or rather are kindred spirits no doubt.
I don’t understand this.
Is the Mount in Israel or Palestine?
This is one political thing I never really understand.
I am trying to learn and don’t really want to comment because it is something I really don’t understand.
Ties in with my question on a previous thread as to why the Jewish people seem to mostly vote Democrat. I always thought that Jewish people were more conservative.
re: #8 by mawskrat
Recommended it to a throat cancer survivor who couldn’t swallow enough chewed protein to keep from wasting away.
I eat Mezze regularly and am better for it.
re: #55 by Speranza
re: #55 by Speranza
good on ye bra…aren’t we the shit stirrers amongst the tru cognescenti
Go Cardinals!
That Islamic Movement in Israel needs to be banned and its leaders expelled. No mercy!
re: #57 by typicalwhitey
humus tahini with hot whole wheat pita bread is out of this world.
re: #57 by typicalwhitey
The Temple Mount is in Jerusalem, which is in Israel.
Jordan had control of eastern Jerusalem for 19 years after Israel’s War of Independence, but Israel won the land back and reunited Jerusalem in 1967.
Israel annexed the eastern (formerly Jordanian Sector) areas of Jerusalem. All of the city is controlled by Israel now.
Israel does allow Muslims to be the administrators of the top of the Temple Mount, however. Israel has control over the land and sends Israeli police up there when needed, but the Muslims are the administrators.
Israel is refusing to give up control of the Temple Mount or any other part of Jerusalem.
re: #57 by typicalwhitey
American Jews are liberals first. Israeli Jews have had a history of leftist ideology, and during the formation of the Jewish state it actually worked well for them, from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Remember that they started from scratch in small kibbutz usually in the middle of hostile Arabs in lend that the Arabs thought worthless. Now they seem to be embracing conservative and capitalistic values while we on the other hand are going in the opposite direction.
re: #57 by typicalwhitey
In America, roughly 75 to 80% of American Jews vote Democrat. American Orthodox Jews tend to vote Republican. They account for most of the other 20 to 25% of the Jewish vote, although there are definitely secular American Jews who are conservatives, too.
In Israel, the vote has tended to be split fairly evening between left wing and right wing groups in recent decades (after the earlier decades of left wing groups dominating Israel’s politics).
Today, Israel’s voters have taken a sharp turn to the right. The long years of liberal Israeli leaders claiming that they could make peace with the “Palestinians” has led to the worst bloodshed in Israel outside of nation-to-nation wars in Israel’s history since declaring statehood.
Israeli voters can’t trust the left with “peace” ambitions anymore. Only 4% of Israel’s Jews see Obama as a friend to Israel for the same reasons.
re: #46 by snork
I think there’s a large degree of “monkey see, monkey do” involved with the Arab emulation of Nazis.
People tend to forget that:
1) The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Yassir Arafat’s uncle) was Hitler’s guest during WWII; that he was involved in raising a Muslim contingent of the Waffen SS; and that he was, by all accounts, encouraging Hitler in his plans to engage in the “Final Solution”;
2) Syria and Egypt were havens for Nazis fleeing the wreckage of the Reich. Alois Brunner, in Syria, and a fellow whose name now escapes me, in Egypt, were Nazis who, after WWII, rose to high levels in the Syrian and Egyptian governments, respectively;
3) Gamal Abdel Nasser was a member of a Nazi-offshoot group before he rose to head the Egyptian government;
4) The cartoons and “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” material, and similar articles and language, in Arab newspapers resemble Nazi material from Der Sturmer and the Volkischer Beobachter because they are, or were, in some cases directly lifted from them.
There is, in other words, a direct connection, or rather many direct connections, between genuine old-fashioned Nazism like Hitler used to make and the present-day ideology of the anti-Israel Arabs. The connection between the Arabs and WWII-era Nazism is far more direct and strong than it is between the Nazis and the white supremacist parties of Europe—and it is plenty strong there.
In Israel, the vote has tended to be split fairly evenly…that is.
re: #63 by Rancher
That is a quote from Marx.
re: #50 by song_and_dance_man
I totally agree with that idea. The islamic religion and its origins have sufficient stories of out-of-the ordinary happenings to certainly lend credence that it is not just something an uneducated nomad made up on his own. It is certainly possible that it is an inspired religion, however that inspiration was diabolical, not divine.
Martin Luther once made the statement that Satan is “God’s ape” — at the time meaning that satan attempts to imitate God. Looking at some of the basic tenets of islam, that certainly appears to be the case — there are instances of truth mixed with lies and deception. One of the most interesting truths is the comment that all are born islamic. If this is the religion of satan, that would certainly be a true statement — all are born in sin and subjects of the sinful world, i.e., part of satan’s kingdom. It is only after being brought to faith that they become citizens of God’s kingdom.
re: #50 by song_and_dance_man
it’s really a sad thing that Muslims think they can be saved through works. they really think it’s what they do that can save themselves
re: #57 by typicalwhitey
The Mount is in Jerusalem, squarely in Israel. However, it’s “owned” by the Islamic waqf. So there is jurisdictional ambiguity over some matters.
re: #70 by snork
Unfortunately, Israel talks the talk, but will not walk the waqf.
re: #63 by Rancher
Another thing to point out about the Communist Creed (from each/to each). You don’t need a whole lot to live. You don’t need a ten bedroom mansion, or Benz and driver. You absolutely need shelter out of Siberia’s cold, but one bunk in a barracks is good enough, and what’s wrong with worms in the meal? It is p[rotein, and you should be glad Comrade Colonel doesn’t write you up as a slacker for complaining.
They say one person died for every ounce of gold dug out of Kolyma gold mine. From each acording to his measure. All that was asked of them was all that they had to give.
The gulag is the answer to the implied question on the relation between the laborer and the State. It makes the most rapacious capitalism look downright benevolent.
re: #67 by song_and_dance_man
Yes, it is. Most of second Aliyah were socialists and the kibbutz were communes.
re: #65 by buzzsawmonkey
Exactly right!
Also, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem had plans to build concentration camps and extermination camps for Jews in the Middle East.
MOHAMMAD AMIN AL-HUSSEINI
re: #71 by buzzsawmonkey
It’s not obvious why that’s a problem until you start following some of the hijinx of the waqf. The Israelis have been scrupulous in their archeological digs to make sure things are not destroyed, and always delivered to their rightful owners.
Then the waqfers, who know good and well that their mount sits on top of tons of Jewish antiquities, go in there with a backhoe, and let loose. The Israelis dig near the side, and the waqfers go bananas.
Not good neighbors. They shouldn’t have the high ground. Isn’t biblical hell supposed to be in some valley east of Jerusalem? That’s where they and their far mosque belong.
re: #73 by Rancher
The kibbutzim aren’t faring that well these days. The socialist dream never thrives in the vicinity of capitalism. The moshavim (agricultural coops) aren’t doing that great, either.
One other thing to point out, since too many people do not know it: from the time in modern times that population records were kept (early-mid 19th century, under the Ottomans), Jerusalem’s population was majority-Jewish.
That means the Old City, folks—because, until the increase of Jewish immigration to the Land of Israel in the early 20th century, the Old City was all the Jerusalem there was. West Jerusalem—that portion of the city that has been in Israel since the 1948 Armistice lines—was always Jewish, but the bulk of the Old City was, too.
The only exception to the Old City being majority-Jewish in the last 150-200 years is the 19 years of illegal Jordanian occupation between 1948 and 1967—the period when the UN was supposed to guarantee Jerusalem’s “international status” and famously failed to do so.
Under the Jordanian occupation, the Jews living in the Old City were either expelled or killed, their houses and property expropriated, their synagogues and cemeteries desecrated. Jews were not allowed access to the Western Wall or any other holy sites. Thus, when the media speaks of “traditionally Arab East Jerusalem,” they are—surprise—lying. That “tradition” was merely a 19-year act of ethnic cleansing.
Nor are the “Quarters” of the Old City a thing of great antiquity. The division of the Old City into “Arab Quarter,” “Jewish Quarter,” etc., was done by the British under the League of Nations Mandate (i.e., post-WWI) as a means of dividing the city up for easier rule and control.
re: #38 by snork
re: #38 by snork
I realize that the ultra-Orthodox are a small proportion (though as large as the Arab Muslims). My point was that even those who (in theory) take Torah seriously will always sit in a government that wants to give the land to the killer Muslims. The leadership of the parties $United $Torah $Judaism and $ha$ aid and abet the sitting government so long as pork barrel is distributed. So who exactly is left to advocate for the Land?
Well, there are the “settlers.” But they are more aptly termed “suburbanites,” as they have no real settlements, which by definition should be forts as well as micro-economies. The “settlers” believe hooey like the state is holy, even though it is obvious to anyone without a lobotomy that the state is not holy. The settlerfolk, who do in fact love the Land by and large, are thus crippled in their opposition to business as usual. They also foolishly think that the Progressives in control think of themselves as Jews or will eventually do so if met with sufficient lovingkindness.
The Russians (many of whom are goyim) have no love for the Muslims or the secular elite but no love of freedom either. They will join but not lead, and they do not love the Land.
The Anglos left their relatively cushy lives in the West and must believe that the place they moved to is, if not quite holy, at least a democratic republic. But a Progressive-dominated polity is not a democratic republic, alas.
re: #76 by snork
The kibbutzim aren’t faring that well these days. The socialist dream never thrives in the vicinity of capitalism. The moshavim (agricultural coops) aren’t doing that great, either.
Take this co-op and moshav it
It ain’t workin’ well no more
If I can’t enjoy the fruits of my labor
What am I workin’ for?
I’ve only got what you’ve got
Now I want a little more
Take this co-op and moshav it
‘Cause it don’t work here no more
—just a little country-eastern music
re: #69 by mawskrat
“re: #50 by song_and_dance_man
it’s really a sad thing that Muslims think they can be saved through works. they really think it’s what they do that can save themselves.”
Very interesting point. But Islam has only “works.” For a so-called religion, there is nothing much spiritual about it.
re: #70 by snork
Ok so if I understand this correctly..
The Mount is owned by the Muslims but is in Jerusalem which is owned by the Israeli.
I realize that is simplified but am I getting the picture?
re: #81 by typicalwhitey
The Mount is administered by the Muslims by permission of the Israeli government.
re: #82 by buzzsawmonkey
And this “permission” was personally given by Moshe Dayan, in consultation with fellow Progressives, the moment the IDF took the Old City.
typicalwhitey, don’t fret about finding this confusing. You are MEANT to be confused, as this is one goal of the disinformation campaign that has intensified for the past 30 or so years.
re: #83 by sk (skzion)
And this “permission” was personally given by Moshe Dayan, in consultation with fellow Progressives, the moment the IDF took the Old City.
The man wore an eyepatch. Being able to see with only one eye always blows to hell the ability to perceive things in depth.
re: #75 by snork
The waqf should be abolished. At present, Israel is the ONLY authority that can be trusted to maintain the antiquities of Jerusalem and the Holy Land.
I’ll tell you one thing that drives me crazy. Historians and archaeologists shake their heads and wring their hands over what the Arabs are doing in Jerusalem and elsewhere. It’s a horrible thing. It’s a crime against civilization. But you try to get them to organize to protest it, to sign a petition, to write a letter to a major news outlet, DO ANYTHING, and suddenly it’s….oh, no. “We wouldn’t want to seem to take sides.”
re: #82 by buzzsawmonkey
Technically true, but all hell would break loose if the Israelis terminated the lease. It was a big mistake to ever have agreed to the deal in the first place.
re: #87 by snork
Why would they agree to the lease?
re: #87 by snork
Last I noticed, all hell breaks loose periodically anyway.
At some point, the Israelis are going to have to say, “You might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb” and do what was necessary a long time ago.
Or, they could consult the Talmud and remind themselves that if you are kind to the cruel you end up being cruel to the kind, and realize that there is no purpose to throwing concessions down the maw of unappeasable hatred.
re: #86 by wolfie
That is a true crime against humanity. Every bit as much as if Native American antiquities were destroyed by McMansion construction here. Except it’s worse, because it’s deliberate.
Nice CD from CJ there. Can I have some of what they’re smoking at the rabbit hole these days?
re: #88 by typicalwhitey
That was Dayan. He thought it was the way to deal with it.
Sometimes it’s had for civilized people to anticipate how savages (sorry!) behave.
And, lest the main point be missed, all of Eretz Israel (including Jordan) was supposed to be set aside for the Jewish people. The English, misusing their Mandate powers, gave most of the Eretz Israel to the Hashemites (who lost to the Wahhabis in Arabia). Jordan is an illegal country. Regardless, the British Mandate was the legally established authority, and ALL the land except for “Jordan” was for the Jews. The Arabs were to have civil rights and property rights but they were NOT to have political rights.
Furthermore, given that the Arabs of Eretz Israel joined in an illegal war against the Jews, one could easily argue (as I do) that they no longer have any rights at all–except the right to return to Egypt, Jordan, or Syria.
Thus, Jerusalem is legally part of Israel, according to Western law. Furthermore, the UN incoroporates the decisions under the Mandate. Thus, the UN violates the governing law by even talking of further partition of Eretz Israel.
re: #68 by AZfederalist
The god of Mohammed is not the God of Abraham. If he was they would embrace the Hebrew yet history has shown us they operate contrary to the bestowed blessing on the friend of God, and that is the ultimate tell. The Muslim serves another and it is not the Eternal.
Revelation from God must always be tested against the others who had it, and the Koran fails that test.
re: #65 by buzzsawmonkey
your #1 in the list is SS Handschar division that ran Yugoslavia’s Holocaust, killing jews, orthodox, and non-muzzies.
re: #89 by buzzsawmonkey
That alone would get you banned at the other place.
re: #90 by snork
Amen. Deliberate. The ONLY point to the destruction is… destruction.
I just wish they were bulldozing to put in a Wal-Mart. Then the academic world would take up pitchforks.
re: #74 by Eliana
Grand Mufti of Jerusalem recruited Bosnian Muslims for the SS as well.
Let me also remind those who are unfamiliar with the history of the region that there is not one country in the Middle East that is more than 20 years older than Israel, and some of them are the same age or newer.
There is a tendency to believe that because the Arabs run around in quaint costumes and the Israelis dress for the most part like ordinary Westerners that the Arabs must therefore have “ancient nations,” or something.
Hey, folks—history. The entire region was part of the Ottoman Empire until the Turks, along with the Germans, lost WWI. Egypt was not a “nation,” but part of the British Empire; the land that today is Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, the Emirates, and, yes, Israel was all part of the Ottoman Empire. None of the nations now there existed prior to 1918, and not all of them came into being immediately after the war’s end.
Israel is by no means a “johnny-come-lately” nation horning in amongst the ancients.
re: #95 by coldwarrior
Yup the beloved Bosnian Muslims!
Regarding satan, Mo sez that bells are satan’s instrument. Interestingly, however, it turns out that in the “Satanic Verses” (part of the Koran), Mo heard bells before first being confronted by Gabriel, who was allegedly the mouthpiece of Allah. Further, Mo originally ran from this encounter and thought he had met with satan.
You do the math.
Regarding satan, Mo sez that bells are satan’s instrument. Interestingly, however, it turns out that in the “Satanic Verses” (part of the Koran), Mo heard bells before first being confronted by Gabriel, who was allegedly the mouthpiece of Allah. Further, Mo originally ran from this encounter and thought he had met with satan.
You do the math.
re: #99 by buzzsawmonkey
It was the Ottoman Turks who originally invited the early Zionists of the late 1800’s into Israel.
re: #99 by buzzsawmonkey
the jews were in israel way before the muzzies even got their orders from the molester.
therefore, israel is the owner of the area.
islam delenda est.
re: #102 by sk (skzion)
He also though he was possessed by a Demon at first.
re: #103 by Rodan
The Ottomans had a hot-and-cold relationship with the early Zionists; they sometimes allowed them to purchase land, sometimes not, and did not give them protection from Arab marauders. On the other hand, they recognized the economic development that the newcomers were bringing; the absentee landlords were glad to stick them with the worst land for the highest prices when land purchases were permitted; and the fact that the Ottomans were allied with Germany and many of the early newcomers were from Germany caused them to occasionally be favorable.
re: #100 by Rodan
and then we were suckered into helping them in the 90’s. wrong answer.
i do enjoy these jewish/israel threads. it is ‘funny’ how long the posts get in the thread when compared to posts in other threads.
Must sign off. We’ll continue another time.
re: #104 by coldwarrior
Yup, It was my Roman Ancestors that expelled the Jews in the 1st Century. Then the Muslims kicked out the Eastern Romans (Byzantines) in the 7th Century. Now the Jews are back in their homeland. That land hands down belongs to Jews. end of story.
To extend futher buzzsawmonkey’s point, the Muslim “peoples” of this undivided area were, ARABS. The whole concept of a nationality called “Palestinian” was contrived to establish some particular ownership for Arabs in Eretz Israel. This usage was in the process of being established in the 1960s and gained momentum after the Six-Day War.
re: #107 by coldwarrior
Well the thing is the battle is beyond Israel. It is a global battle against Arab Imperialists (Islam) and their Progressive allies.
re: #105 by Rodan
He was possessed by a demon at last.
Now America you get to feel like Vietnam Vets who were in the fight there, only to be shot in the back by no good commie loving Democrats like John F. Kerry.
Only thing is Kerry and the Democrats then and now who engage in pure treason are not delt with as the Constitution requires.
Until America comes to grips with the treason from within, there will be no peace on earth, the bad, crazy, and evil will just push others around when no one stands up and says no.
Freedom is not easy.
Treason has become so easy many take a taste now form time to time.
IMO
re: #113 by taxfreekiller
Amen!!!!!!!1
re: #99 by buzzsawmonkey
One thing that I have learned—and it’s something that is really made clear from all the illustrations in that 20th Century Eretz Israel book you recommended to me—is that much of Israel was EMPTY, and that many Arabs moved into certain areas only AFTER Jewish settlers had developed infrastructure,farms, and industry.
re: #109 by Rodan
see, the muzzies claiming any part of israel is like the etruscans rising up and claiming corsica is still theirs.
re: #76 by snork
It worked well for the very first settlements set up in a hostile land, a time when everyone had to pull together or die. After that, not so well. Communism works during the transition from a feudal aristocracy to a capitalistic society as well, but after the royalty are dispatched it looses any advantage to the individual self interest of capitalism. Central planning is inherently inefficient, look at Egypt’s reaction to the “swine” flu.
The whole dispute is over who really owns the land. I say it was given to Abraham in promise from the Eternal. All others who claim it are the real Johnny Come Lately’s. The seed of Ishmael have never gotten over their loss of inheritance and they fight and struggle with their jealously to this day.
re: #116 by coldwarrior
Tuscan wine is awesome!
LOL
re: #115 by wolfie
Well put, wolfie. Arabs are said to be “sons of the dessert.” In fact, they are fathers of the dessert. Nothing blooms under Muslim control of Eretz Israel (or anywhere else, for that matter).
re: #92 by snork
Didn’t Dayan commit suicide?
I correct myself. Moshe died of a heart attack after finding out he had cancer. I don’t know why I thought he committed suicide.
re: #122 by imtoast
i was gonna say that didn’t sound quite right.
re: #115 by wolfie
well this isnt surprising at all.
What is so frightening and frustrating about all this is the perpetration of a narrative (the poor, ‘native,’ ‘Palestinian’ ‘refugees’) that is DEMONSTRATIVELY false.
There have always been lies and legends and there has always been self-serving propaganda. But in the television age, the MSM is been able to promote fiction and change beliefs so swiftly and thoroughly that it boggles the mind.
re: #109 by Rodan
Land belongs to those who can hold it. Throughout history, might makes right. A tough maxim, but it is what it is.
re: #118 by song_and_dance_man
Well, yes and no. The original Zionists had vague dreams of a Jewish state, but had no idea in the 19th century how the Ottoman Empire was going to unravel, and the British occupation that was to follow. In the end, Britain made an exit for their own reasons, sovereignty for the Jews wasn’t a choice. Dhimmi status wasn’t going to happen, particularly after the Holocaust.
Independence was the only reasonable choice left on the table, because all the others were removed.
re: #119 by Rodan
Have you ever had Hungarian wine?
re: #124 by coldwarrior
Not only that, but the Arabs followed the Jews, because of the economic opportunities. If the Jews hadn’t have arrived, the Arabs wouldn’t have had any interest in the place. It was a backwater in the 19th century.
Most of what I know and understand of the formation of modern Israel from both the Jewish and Arab perspective of events of the time come from Leon Uris’ books Exodus and The Haj.
Not wanting to toot our own horn, but is has been real nice we have stuck to the issue at hand and not deviated into other topics that are of no consequence.
I think you all know what I mean.
“I did not say this. I am not here.”
Spacing Guild Navigator – Creationist stance unknown.
*did I just blow it?*
re: #128 by Speranza
No, I haven’t is it good and do you recommend it? I’m a wine drinker so I try any wine.
re: #131 by song_and_dance_man
It’s getting hard to cut-n-paste 1.0 comments these days, because they’ve gone from the ridiculous to the banal. Now it’s all about the cookbook, and other inanities.
re: #126 by Rancher
gospel
no one cried for the etruscans
re: #134 by coldwarrior
Just the Florentines occasionally!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!
re: #133 by snork
“”"Now it’s all about the cookbook”"”
Frog Legs a la Beck recipe?
Crow?
No?
Then I’m not interested.
re: #130 by Rancher
I really liked Exodus. The movie is definitely worth seeing too, though it’s not nearly as good as the book.
I haven’t read The Haj, but maybe I should put it on my list.
re: #129 by snork
why does that not surprise me
re: #129 by snork
My understanding was that in the 19th Century it was majority Christian. Then the Jews came built it up then the Arab Muslims came for economic opportunity.
re: #127 by snork
Current history can be a measure for the ongoing conflict. My premise is based on the ancients and if we must go back to the recent past then we must also go way back to where this fight really began. The current or just past wars are just more battles of a struggle that stretches well beyond the last few centuries.
And with that said, I have been fed a better understanding of the recent particulars of a war that has never ended.
re: #133 by snork
awww….give us one at least!
re: #133 by snork
Ala carte?
Cookbook quotes are hard to swallow.
re: #78 by sk (skzion)
A more accurate term is “pioneers.” Some of the small settlements are far different from suburbs even if some of their residents work elsewhere.
Surely you don’t mean to disparage the settlers.
Being a National Religious Camp Modern Orthodox Jewish Zionist doesn’t mean that someone thinks the state is holy. The position (in general) is that Zionism has been employed by G-d to fulfill Jewish prophecy (whether secular Jews in Israel’s history have known they were doing this or not and whether they even believed in Jewish prophecy or not).
You’re talking about the Likud Party as Progressives?
I think you’re being unfair to the settlers.
Not that this is uncommon or anything, but you seem to be doing it in a different way than most people do it.
re: #131 by song_and_dance_man
guild navigator…dune?
re: #143 by Eliana
so, do the settlers get a big surprise when they go out and set up the kibbutz?
are they idealists or are they refugees from somewhere/thing else?
re: #144 by coldwarrior
Yes, Dune.
re: #143 by Eliana
The Modern Likud are not Progressives. No way in hell Bibi is a Leftist. He is as Rightwing as you can get.
re: #146 by song_and_dance_man
right on…
i need to re-read/watch that
re: #145 by coldwarrior
What kind of a surprise do you mean?
There are large settlement blocs in Judea and Samaria that are cities (30,000 to 45,000 people) with very extensive infrastructure including internet access that’s better than some parts of America.
Construction companies get construction loans and built neighborhoods. Jewish families put down payments on homes and take out 25 year mortgages, usually.
There are also small villages. In the small villages, families often contract their own homes on plots designated for individual family homes.
There are 300,000 Jews in Judea and Samaria in all these various situations. Most of the people own their homes.
The hill top outposts are caravans (trailers).
These are wonderful areas to live. People go there because they are fantastic places to live and also because it puts them in Judea and Samaria where they can help protect Israel by living on the high ground that enemies would otherwise use to attack Israel.
There are other reasons, too.
re: #147 by Rodan
Yes, the Likud Party is definitely right wing and Bibi is too.
re: #149 by Eliana
now thats a good reason.
i had no idea about the infrastructure done BEFORE moving in. i kinda thought it was like the oklahoma experience.
My favorite place in Israel to live longterm is a city between Jerusalem and the Dead Sea called Ma’aleh Adumim. There are roughly 35,000 people living there now with new construction going on all the time. They expect the city to have 50,000 people eventually.
It is one of the large settlement blocs and it’s only 10 minutes from Jerusalem, so it definitely qualifies as a suburb of Jerusalem.
It is one of the settlement blocs that Israel’s right wing AND left wing are most determined to keep in any sort of “peace” deal.
It’s so wonderful, of course, that it’s high on the Arab list of demands for Israel to give up if there is a peace deal.
If I move to Israel, it’s exactly where I’ll go.
The proximity to Jerusalem is fantastic, but the city itself (Ma’aleh Adumim) is wonderful on its own.
re: #143 by Eliana
I agree with that summation. There is reason behind the re-establishment of Israel as a state in our modern times. In fulfilling prophecy the life and times of those who move into fulfilling it are sometimes ignorant of their part and duty for the most part. But some have knowledge.
re: #151 by coldwarrior
The large communities are organized via urban planning and built by construction companies. The infrastructure is part of the planning that goes into building neighborhoods.
Small villages have homes built one at a time, but they go through infrastructure upgrades (including improving things like internet access) on an ongoing basis.
There aren’t like refugee camps or kibbutzim.
Even the little villages are modern and nice.
re: #154 by Eliana
Sounds like New Construction sub developments in Florida, Arizona or North Carolina.
re: #117 by Rancher
Reading that article, it drips with poetic justice. The muslims used the “swine flu” appellation as an excuse to eliminate the pigs owned by the Coptic Christians, not even allowing them to salvage the meat, but cruelly killing the creatures and burying them. All this despite that fact that there was never a tie to swine and this strain of flu. Now the people who insisted on destroying the pigs are swimming in trash, rats, and snakes.
re: #154 by Eliana
now, you see, i thought that all the new settlements were like the collective kibbutzims and THEN development followed.
so, as i like to say, a day without learning something is like a day without sunshine.
I would love to go to Israel some day. Maybe when the kids are grown and on their own.
(We would sell them into slavery and go now, but no one will buy them.)
re: #158 by wolfie
you know what, that is a great idea. the wife and i are so pissed at england with their muzzies and releasing the pan am bomber that we were looking for other places to go…i think i will place the idea of israel in the discussion. iceland has already been agreed on.
I too want to travel home someday. Even though Israel has not been a real home yet, homesickness is a prevailing ailment only to be cured once home is reached.
re: #156 by AZfederalist
muzzies.
it just boggles the mind.
does islam kill IQ points, or are they born idiots?
Amen, song. Amen.
(I know you mean that on many levels, some of which go beyond words.)
re: #158 by wolfie
Wolfie – I read earlier (or the other day
) that you had to go feed the wolves – do you have hybrids?
re: #147 by Rodan
Particularly when it comes to economics. Bibi is the only major figure who understands what the Chinese understand; that a free market economy isn’t a luxury, but a necessity for maintaining a first-rate military, and thus true independence. These other guys think that they can have a top-notch military with a rinky-dink socialist economy.
That’s what stands Bibi apart. Lieberman is as much of a hawk in principle, but he doesn’t grasp the essential nature of economics.
re: #161 by coldwarrior
They are taught the doctrine of demons. IQ only helps the most devoted.
re: #156 by AZfederalist
When Muslims invade countries, the 1st animal they kill are Dogs. Islam hates Dogs.
re: #155 by Rodan
The settlement cities are like sub developments except that they’re more concentrated than American sub developments might be since they have to be guarded and all (due to being in Judea and Samaria).
They are lovely communities.
re: #163 by Calostintx
No! I was talking about Mr. Wolf and my pups, that is, my family!
re: #166 by Rodan
that’s because dogs can sense evil, and they can sense stoopid.
re: #168 by wolfie
i knew that was gonna be funny!
re: #158 by wolfie
I went in 2007. Here are my recommendations:
1. Go late March/Early April, but try to avoid the Easter pilgrims.
2. Stay away from Tel Aviv. Nothing to see there, and driving is impossible.
3. Rent a car, and head out yourself. The roads are good, the signs usually have English, and the drivers aren’t as bad as everyone says they are. You can cover a lot of area that way, and see things in the Golan and Galilee that you could never see otherwise.
4. Stay at Zimmers out in the country. They’re quite an experience, and cheaper than hotels.
5. Jerusalem accommodations are ridiculously expensive, but spend a lot of time there, anyway. There are some cheaper B&Bs, but they make college dorm rooms look spacious and luxurious.
6. Don’t not do the Dead Sea. It’s warm that time of year, and an unbelievable experience.
re: #164 by snork
Bibi was Finance Minister earlier in the decade in Sharon’s government. He is largely responsible for Israel’s booming economy since then.
Bibi will be remembered in Israeli history for doing an incredible job with Israel’s economy (and hopefully much more in his current job as PM).
re: #166 by Rodan
So does that mean B. Hussien is less than a pet to the thugs he hugs?
re: #168 by wolfie
Oh – sorry. Thought you had a hybrid!
re: #171 by snork
noted..
thanks!
re: #171 by snork
Also, if you pull over on the road to the Dead Sea to get a closer look at the camels that are available for camel rides, keep your car windows rolled up.
re: #171 by snork
Saved that. What are Zimmers and why are they “quite an experience?”
re: #177 by wolfie
zimmer is german for room, iirc
re: #176 by Eliana
Let’s not even get started on the Camel beauty contests in the Magic Kingdom.
re: #174 by Calostintx
LOL ! I hear they are pretty good dogs, when properly trained. If I ever did have one, I think I would name him Prius!
(Okay, that’s a little far-fetched!)
re: #179 by snork
YUK!
f’n muzzies.
Whenever I hit “reply”, the minute I start to type a response the stuff kicks back up to the top of the page. (The second attempt works fine.)
Anyone else have that problem? Anything I can do?
The one place in Tel Aviv that is absolutely worth the trip to T.A. is the Museum of the Jewish Diaspora at Tel Aviv University.
It is absolutely stunning!
In Jerusalem, Israel’s national Museum is great.
Of course, Yad Vashem in Jerusalem is a must see.
re: #182 by wolfie
what web browser?
re: #179 by snork
re: #184 by coldwarrior
No problem w/ Firefox
re: #184 by coldwarrior
IE
re: #187 by wolfie
which IE?
re: #186 by Calostintx
love firefox.
i wont use IE unless for work.
I want to see a dhimmi camel in a full fledged one hump burka. Only female camels of course. Only eyes and hooves exposed.
re: #180 by wolfie
I have a F-4 hybrid (Malamute and Timber Wolf) at home w/ a Siberian and 2 cats. The wolf dog is a clown – makes me laugh daily!
re: #188 by coldwarrior
7
re: #190 by song_and_dance_man
we need a picture of that, we do.
the ‘write the caption’ thread would be too much!
I must say this has been one of the best threads, learning wise. Thank all of you for sharing your knowledge. I usually just lurk, but had to let all of you know how much I’ve enjoyed this one. One of the things I liked early on at the “other” not to be named, was the learning (which has ceased there now), I am so thankful I now have this place. Thanks admins!!! And posters!re: #157 by coldwarrior
re: #190 by song_and_dance_man
Hooves exposed?
DISGUSTING!
Get off my blog!
re: #192 by wolfie
unplug your mouse and keyboard.
pause…30 seconds or so
plug then back in
did that work?
re: #183 by Eliana
Must see, but don’t plan on doing anything else afterward. It’s draining. It’s like visiting Auschwitz. You just walk away half numb and half sick.
This is the place that Obama said gave him “hope”. Of all the dumb things he’s said, that, by light years, is the dumbest. No, it’s not a place of hope. It’s a place of pure suck.
re: #195 by wolfie
re: #194 by melinwy
cool! i agree, this joint is what the other place was sooo many years ago, but better.
re: #183 by Eliana
Just curious. It sounds like you have been there many times, and if so, if you don’t mind me asking, what did you think/feel when visiting the Temple Mount. And don’t hold back from that experience.
re: #197 by snork
Agreed.
OT
Fair weather fans booing the Giants at the end of the game.
GF’s pissed too. Big crush on Manning.
such is life…..
re: #196 by coldwarrior
Yes!
re: #189 by coldwarrior
I use IEtab at work with FireFox, some of our tools only work in IE, IEtab lets you use FireFox and tabbed browsing and access certain sites through IE when needed.
I know IE 7 and beyond now support tabbed browsing, but still prefer FF.
re: #197 by snork
i’ve been to several of the concentration camps in the former east germany and poland and i can say it didnt give me hope. it gave me nausea and anger.
re: #197 by snork
What is Yad Vashem?
re: #203 by wolfie
it wasnt your browser
re: #206 by wolfie
The Holocaust museum.
re: #195 by wolfie
OK, can I time out and then ask to give the camels sandals?
*slouches towards a corner*
re: #202 by IslandLibertarian
the giants lost!
usf lost
rodan is gonna be pissed!
re: #207 by coldwarrior
Okay! It’s ALL just magic to me. No one knows less about computers than I do.
I’m still looking for the ON and OFF buttons.
re: #211 by wolfie
they are referd to as the on/off switch.
oh enn,oh eff eff switch.
re: #193 by coldwarrior
I would prefer the blue ones with the snout screen grid over the black ones any ole dromedary day.
HOPE? This gives the Won hope?
He just throws words around aimlessly, doesn’t he?
re: #211 by wolfie
if the input devices, mouse or keyboard are making silly things happen, check them first.
i am no computer geek, but i do know my ooda loops
re: #213 by song_and_dance_man
that shit is just WRONG WRONG WRONG.
camel beauty contest…mmmm mmmm mmmm
re: #200 by song_and_dance_man
The presence of G-d.
I didn’t go up on top of the Temple Mount, of course, but I felt the presence of G-d when I was in the Cardo in the Old City (especially) and when I went up to the Kotel (Western Wall).
The Cardo is the main street of ancient Jerusalem that is now covered by arches and it has old stone floors. There are gift shops there now with Jewish religious items for sale and Israeli flags, etc.
Judea (the tribal homeland of the Jewish people) felt very much like my ancestral home to me the first time I went there (and every time I’ve been there since then). There’s something about being there that FEELS like a return to ones tribal home.
I can never remember to take pictures when I’m in Judea because it feels so much like my ancestral home that I forget I have a camera with me or something. It’s a very special feeling.
If I move to Israel, Judea is where I’ll live.
Who wants a slice of hot whole wheat/sesame seed sourdough bread right out of my oven?
re: #56 by song_and_dance_man
Well, well, well, in searching for the arab nazi connection I came across this:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=20433&only
Do you have to copy and paste?
re: #218 by Moe Katz
Gluttony is a sin, I shall burn in the eternal torments of Hell. Two, with fresh creamery butter. TKS
re: #218 by Moe Katz
ME ME ME ME !!!!
I mean, that would be very nice. Thank you.
re: #216 by coldwarrior
I just had to go there. mmmm mmmm mmmm
re: #220 by Panhandler
You won’t regret it. Best thing for your blood sugar, too….
re: #218 by Moe Katz
hand up!!!!
i’ll throw some prosciutto on there with a little olive oil…
re: #221 by wolfie
Coming right up, ma’am! My durn oven is a bit uneven, heat-wise, so you’d have a choice of a slightly lighter or darker loaf.
re: #224 by coldwarrior
That’s a great idea! I actually put olive oil margarine on my slice just now. Great with a little garlic, too.
re: #217 by Eliana
My favorite city is Haifa, but Tiberius is a close second.
One other “must see” item: the Baha’i shrine in Haifa. The most breathtaking garden you’ll ever see anywhere on earth. Pictures can’t even come close to doing it justice. It’s just one of those “you have to see it to believe it” places.
The Baha’i are just one more religious minority leaving happily in Israel.
re: #225 by Moe Katz
I like the darker, if that’s okay.
I also like the ends pieces, but it would be rude of me to sound picky, so I won’t say that.
re: #227 by snork
The Baha’i are just one more religious minority leaving happily in Israel.
Nice typo.
re: #226 by Moe Katz
great minds….
i use EITHER butter OR olive oil
it tends to olive oil, better for you
re: #228 by wolfie
Ha! I love the end pieces too, but the loaves are round so there’s plenty of heel pieces for all that likes ‘em!
re: #230 by coldwarrior
I use an olive margarine which is trans-free but has a wee bit of tropical oils to make it solid at room temperature. I suspect the composition of margarines is something that varies according to different regulations in Canada and the US.
re: #221 by wolfie
re: #224 by coldwarrior
Wolfie and Cold score some goodies.
re: #227 by snork
Especially at night!
re: #229 by Moe Katz
D’oh. Ok, admins, where’s the spell check and the semantic check?
Even that wouldn’t have worked. Sometimes you actually have to read what you write.
re: #233 by Panhandler
Ignore, I need to go back to HTML for Dummies.
re: #236 by Panhandler
try it again!
re: #237 by coldwarrior
Again
re: #232 by Moe Katz
its to the point where we use olive oil in place of butter on toast, try it.
with a good high quality oil its nice
re: #238 by Panhandler
NICE!
re: #235 by snork
that was a classic!
re: #238 by Panhandler
That’s cute. Is that your family?
re: #217 by Eliana
That is the very thing I suspect will be experienced when I make my way there eventually. The presence of G-d(in honor).
re: #240 by coldwarrior
Why thank you sir/maam. As a lapsed Methodist I can’t contribute much to the Israel threads but everybody relates to warm bread – with olive oil and proscutto, boy I am going to either Hell of Fat Camp.
re: #239 by coldwarrior
It IS healthier to use olive oil, you’re right. I’ve got a case of extra virgin in the basement because I found a good deal. Now I hear you should only buy small amounts at a time because it becomes rancid. So I’m trying to use it as fast as possible and feeling nervous….
re: #244 by Panhandler
religion is one thing
warm bread is quite another.
re: #182 by wolfie
Use something besides Windows.
re: #238 by Panhandler
I think I looked very nice and polite.
Coldwarrior, OTOH, should have put a shirt on. And picking up pieces from the floor with your paws is just NOT DONE!
re: #242 by Moe Katz
I wish, hit You Tube and searched for “warm Bread”. Voila! Dere’s Wolfie and Cold – I was outside on the porch, being a panhandler and all.
re: #219 by mjazz
My IP is verboten from the 1.0 Chancellor, so that means no looky.
re: #248 by wolfie
It was charming the way you wagged your tail each time
re: #249 by Panhandler
That’s creative, I wouldn’t have thought of that.
re: #245 by Moe Katz
there is a great italian store near here that has spanish and italian virgin olive oil for sale FROM bulk containers. we buy it in wine bottles. both have a different taste. there are some things that MUST have butter, everything else is olive oil.
like, grits cant have olive oil…
re: #235 by snork
oh snap
/ban me not
i’m opening a clos du bois cabernet…
anyone want?
re: #182 by wolfie
I have IE and the same thing happens to me. I’d use Firefox but it randomly crashes on me, almost daily.
Oh come ON!
Threads:
247
277
286
84
Then the private thread:
530
re: #248 by wolfie
i have no cooth!
re: #253 by coldwarrior
Interesting that the taste would be different. I wonder if the olives are different, or the extraction methods—I imagine it’s all cold-pressed, though.
re: #250 by song_and_dance_man
You can’t even go the website?
re: #253 by coldwarrior
I accidentally used olive oil instead of peanut oil in some fried rice once. It didn’t come out Chinese tasting. It wasn’t horrible, but it wasn’t great, either. It was kind of weird.
re: #261 by snork
It can’t take high frying temperatures.
Here is an interesting story about Israel:
There is a dog that hitchhikes rides so that he can go swim with the dolphins.
re: #258 by coldwarrior
How many times do we have to tell you, once you pull the hose out of the box, let the mixture “breathe” for at least 1 minute!
re: #257 by typicalwhitey
Aka the Cone of Silence™.
I’m going to try unplugging everything for 30 seconds to see if this works with IE.
re: #257 by typicalwhitey
They’re plotting something…
re: #256 by blueiris
reload your usb driver.
uninstall firefox and go get the newest version and re-install
Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT ever use olive oil to make brownies.
re: #257 by typicalwhitey
Mutual admiration takes a lot of posts.
You have to thank each other over and over.
And that’s not even mentioning the “quite concur”s that slurp out…..
/twits!
re: #269 by wolfie
but on white rice, mmmmmmmmm…..
re: #268 by coldwarrior
Cheers! Will try.
re: #269 by wolfie
I can believe that. Probably no good substitute for creamery butter.
re: #266 by mjazz
That did it for me…..so far.
re: #259 by Moe Katz
one is spanish one is italian…
i would venture that it is a soil difference, olive difference, and handling difference
re: #270 by IslandLibertarian
twits!
i like it!
whats up, island!
re: #275 by coldwarrior
That much of an olive oil connoisseur I haven’t yet become, but I do notice the cold pressed extra virgin stuff is better than the cheaper olive oil. I lubricated a door lock this year with my best Italian olive oil when I couldn’t find the WD-40. Seems okay so far….
re: #269 by wolfie
I sense a hint of embarresment, were there in- laws involved?
ahhh yes…my secret favorite show is on.
metalocalypse
re: #276 by coldwarrior
Twits and twats.
Isn’t there a relatively easy way to change your IP? (I mean for someone competent, not a cyber-dunce like me.)
re: #274 by wolfie
Well, here goes
re: #265 by snork
LOL
re: #277 by Moe Katz
we have three grades that we use here.
my wife’s cholesterols were getting out of range.
the most expensive never sees heat, it goes in salad dressings and is used for ‘raw’ stuff
the regular stuff gets used with heat.
the in between stuff gets used with rice
re: #277 by Moe Katz
Tying olive oil and Israel together, every ancient village had an olive press. The oil was used for some cooking, but mostly for lamp lighting. Seems like a waste of good olive oil, but at the time, they didn’t have any good alternatives.
Kind of makes you appreciate petroleum, doesn’t it?
re: #281 by wolfie
do you have cable or dsl?
I see posts here, and at other sites talking about Charles Johnson deleting his(ZOMBIES) LGF dictionary and other various archives.
google cache is OK, but the way back machine is the goto for web archives, and a great many folks know it, but then it slips away if you don’t use it.
here’s the link to little green footballs at the internet archive…http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://littlegreenfootballs.com
re: #281 by wolfie
It depends on your service. Cable is notoriously difficult to change. DSL is much easier.
re: #278 by Panhandler
No. Just me. I had a box of brownie mix and….well, I wanted a brownie really b-a-d….and the only kind of oil I had was olive oil….and I was too lazy to go to the store…..and I really, really, really wanted a brownie…..
The wages of sin is repulsive brownies.
re: #284 by coldwarrior
Wow. Did it help with your wife’s blood lipids?
Okay, I guess I gotta prove it.
re: #267 by Eliana
They’re plotting something…
Ya think?
re: #260 by mjazz
NO, he blocked me again for the 3rd time and haven’t bothered to reset that crap in the right net hole.
Vet, ve haf veys to doonst dat.
I can’t click one your link without the verboten message, but I can still look if I want, but must have a date and a thread title to find it.
I have cable.
re: #276 by coldwarrior
things that are up:
Humidity
Temperature (84F)
Kona Winds
Price of Gasoline
My GF’s impatience…..(there are no right answers, you know the drill)
things that are down:
the Surf, N-Shore 3-4ft, S-Shore 1-2ft
Tradewinds – 0 mph
the cat, sleeping at my feet
the sun, 30 min’s ago
my respect for “0″, LGF & the WH crew…….
But I’m still living in the best place in the greatest country on earth….so …..
UP WINS!
re: #285 by snork
Hey, it’s not every religion that has a major holiday about olive oil!
Well, the cure didn’t last long.
re: #285 by snork
They used hempseed oil for lamps in America.
and to the LGF dictionary…http://web.archive.org/web/20061230024752/www.zombietime.com/lgf_dictionary/
It just strikes me as extremely silly for CJ to block IP addresses as if he can control the whole world. He has to know you guys can get around it, so what’s the point?
You can’t make this stuff up:
re: #298 by mjazz
Was that before or after PETA read Mobey Dick?
Naaah, who would want to do that?
re: #293 by song_and_dance_man
It’s from 2006. You can’t copy and paste it in your browser anyway?
re: #290 by Moe Katz
bingo.
it did. we use it for everything.
for butter we use amish butter.
’cause ya cant have olive oil on grits or popcorn.
toast a bagel, put olive oil it. simple
re: #301 by snork
That was from earlier today. Shirley you jest.
re: #297 by mjazz
Yeah. Mine didn’t last either.
It’s just a little annoyance. I may ask one of my kids to install Firefox for me. I think that’s what they use on their computer. I dunno.
I get it confused with the hippie books. Foxfire. That’s it!
re: #294 by wolfie
unplug the cable and the power for a few HOURS.
you will get a new ip out of ban range.
re: #305 by coldwarrior
Paying attention to the glycemic index can help with triglycerides too. That’s where my interest in sourdough baking comes from.
re: #294 by wolfie
You’re going to have to figure out how to spoof MACs. If your computer connects directly to the modem, you spoof the computer’s MAC. If you have a router, you spoof the router’s outer MAC.
You’re on your own at this point. They don’t make this easy.
Would the Jewish LGF’ers be Lizard Minyans?
re: #308 by coldwarrior
Depends on the provider. Sometimes that takes days.
re: #297 by mjazz
you have a ground prob
re: #312 by snork
really, i can get a new ip in 10 minutes.
re: #293 by song_and_dance_man
I just went back and clicked the link and didn’t get the you are a idiot routine.
re: #298 by mjazz
hemp.
the US was built on it.
So no one thought it was cool that that dog hitchhikes to swim with dolphins?
re: #310 by snork
Way too much work to go watch crazy people.
re: #317 by mjazz
Big thumbs up. +++++++
re: #309 by Moe Katz
i read about the sour dough thing, i still dont get the physiology
re: #304 by mjazz
No, but as I said there are many ways to work around that.
The Nazi-Arab Connection
link Nazis shipped arms to Palestinians’
My how 1.0 has changed. We have to search it to remind it of it.
re: #318 by AZfederalist
Agreed. That’s only if you want to play the sox. And besides, if you just want to peek once in a while, it’s easier to use a proxy.
re: #321 by song_and_dance_man
“My how 1.0 has changed.
Those were my thoughts exactly.
bbl
i’m gonna right my baseball thoughts for the next thread
re: #320 by coldwarrior
I’ve seen empirical studies in J Clin Nutr that it’s true. I don’t know if the physiological connection has really been explored, but we do know that sourdough stabilizes blood glucose. Better glucose fluctuation means less release fatty acids from fat stores, presumably also better target tissue response to insulin as insulin resistance is reduced. The sourdough mechanism itself has to do with the effect of lactate on slowing down the amylases that break down the starch in the bread.
re: #303 by snork
Who needs to “dig up dirt” when the man is a veritable fountain of sewage already.
re: #324 by coldwarrior
You can do the righting, I’ll do the rithmetic.
/Another case where a semantic checker would have failed.
The effect of lactate on the amylases sounds to me like end product inhibition, but I’m not a biochemist.
re: #325 by Moe Katz
For once “Tastes good and is good for you” does seem to apply. And here I thought it just tasted good, still do as a matter of fact.
re: #326 by Crusader Rabbit
But they needs to goes into the Cone of Silence™ cuz stalkers r us.
re: #329 by Panhandler
It’s nice when your tastes are ‘educated’ so that healthy stuff is enjoyable to eat. Beats being addicted to Twinkies.
(I just hope Moe doesn’t tell us that candy corn is not really a vegetable until AFTER Halloween.)
re: #317 by mjazz
I did!!
It’s a cool story!!
re: #332 by wolfie
Another hard learned lesson – Cotton Candy does not function well as insulation.
a old favorite…
11/2/2004: A Time for Rejoicing
Congratulations, lizardoids. We did it.
Tomorrow, the seething starts. The reaction from Europe is going to be something to savor for a very long time, as Jacques Chirac and Gerhard Schroeder realize how thoroughly their nuanced, post-modern, morally bankrupt ideologies have been rejected by the American public.
The New York Times and CBS News and the entire mainstream media tried their best to bring down George W. Bush, and only succeeded in bringing down… themselves.
The people have proven their mettle once again, in a time of great peril. God bless America.
posted by Charles at 10:32 PM PST | rss
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re: #332 by wolfie
We always have lots of “vegetables” left over. Seems like fewer and fewer kids trick-or-treating each year.
re: #323 by mjazz
There was once a time it was relevant, but that day has passed, along with most of those who thought so in those days. We are not there anymore.
So sad
We glad
no post
he toast
so soon
no noon
come night
with blight
ding me
ding you
ban me
f you
I do
adieu u
or…
11/1/2004: LGF Endorses Bush
By the way … I’m voting for George Walker Bush for President tomorrow. Early in the morning.
On September 12, 2001, shocked and disheartened, I was disappointed in Dubya. To put it mildly.
But by September 13, after some European readers told me that we deserved the horror I had witnessed the day before, and that I should understand the root causes, I posted this: Patriotism.
I was still finding my voice in those days, but I meant the words I wrote on the 13th.
With all my heart.
Never forget:
posted by Charles at 6:36 PM PST | rss
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Wish I was here longer, and wish I could do more than just post and run.
However (1) this rioting took place in “East” Jersualem. Those rioting are most likely (with the fence and all) citizens of Israel. (2) the loyal majority of Arab/Muslim-Israelis is a myth, and (3) see the following photos.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/134044
re: #330 by snork
Its funny the lengths to which they’ll go in case the few of you who actually bother going to that website anymore might read what they post.
I guess they must me ashamed.
Not the acts of rational people at all.
me = be
my very angry post is up n the baseball thread.
i ‘m back now
The pallies get to do to Jews what all the rest of the world wants to do, but enjoy watching others do it. It seems human nature tends to be hardwired to cheer on bullies and adopt the same contempt bullies have for their targets.
Happens so often in so many situations. How often do you hear people get all uppity about how its a woman’s fault for not leaving an abusive relationship when there are such lovely shelters to go to. And in schools, the victim is also held just as responsible for reacting to being bullied.
Muslims, arabs, are fucked up bullies and the UN is their cheerleader while the rest of the world cheers them on too. No one is going to step in to help Israel BUT the UN, US, EU all scold and lecture Israel for daring have the nerve to fight back for self defense. Disgusting.
re: #325 by Moe Katz
ok, so its less of a hit on the pancreas, i think.
re: #344 by coldwarrior
Yep.
re: #345 by Moe Katz
i need a pathway…
re: #346 by coldwarrior
Heh. How do I draw in this little box?
re: #347 by Moe Katz
umm—i got it…
lets go up to the baseball.
yankees…hooray,,,,;(
everyone go upstairs
Thanx for the hat tip m
/
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415. BenZacharia on 25 October, 2009 at 7:13 am reply Roits break out on Temple Mount
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091025/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_holy_site
9 minuts ago
We have the perfect hostage situation. Arabs love hostages so now Israel has the perfect hostage. It doesn’t need guarding, doesn’t eat and is quiet …. The perfect hostage is the Temple Mount.
If Israel had any guts it’d immediately position 5 D-9 bulldozers in front of the al-Haram al-Sharif. Demand an immediate cease of all hostile acts and immediate recognition of the State of Israel by the Muslim world and the bulldozers would remain stationary. Anything less and the D-9s would immediately roll right over al-Haram al-Sharif. No words just the constant threat of immediate destruction.
Either way Israel wins.
re: #62 by Eliana
I lurk here pretty much daily, but this is my first exposure to your posts Eliana. Very instructive and interesting. Thanks for the contribution to this debate. I’m very much pro-Israel, but sadly ignorant in many ways.
re: #338 by mickey
It is difficult to believe we are dealing with the same “Charles”, isn’t it? That whomever is administering LGF is someone different today is an attractive choice to believe. Otherwise, we have to admit that we were tricked into believing in someone for years, when they were really a different person than they portrayed themself to be.
I don’t know what the answer is. LGF has changed, and that is really all that matters.
re: #132 by Rodan
yes Hungarian wine is very good.
OT but very ON TOpic:
those “loyal” Arab/Muslim-Israelis.
During a discussion regarding passing a law against Arab/Muslim-Israelis teaching that the creation of Israel was a catastrophe to be fixed, “Jewish legislators accused their adversaries of wanting “to throw the Jews into sea”, [stating however that they] but we will not let [them].”
Arab MK Ahmed Tibi angrily retorted, “We will see who lasts longer.”
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/134053
Yup. Once again the Muslim/Arab-Israeli mask slips, and in a fit of anger they show their true desire – to out-wait the Jews, till Palestine can be created in its place -ie: destruction of Israel.
Ahmed Tibi is an ISRAELI citizen and Member of Knesset!
For the most part you have two types of Arab/Muslim-Israelis: those working for Israel’s destruction, and those waiting for it.