Wayne Allen Root investigates, and can’t find anybody who remembers Obama from his days at Columbia U.,
Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him.
Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, “I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me.
I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia. Ever! Nobody recalls him. I’m not exaggerating, I’m not kidding.”
Root adds that he was also, like Obama, “Class of ‘83 political science, pre-law” and says, “You don’t get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him.At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me.
No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say in New York, the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him. Is that not strange?
It’s very strange.” Obama’s photograph does not appear in the school’s yearbook and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia, provide school records, or provide the name of any former classmates or friends while at Columbia.
You know, as I’ve said before, I’m not really into the birther thing, but the more I actually see about Barack Obama’s past, the stranger it nevertheless seems. While questions do not equal evidence, I still have to admit that there are a lot of unanswered questions that common sense would suggest shouldn’t really need to remain unanswered.
Why has Obama’s administration failed to produce an actual, genuine birth certificate, one that can be easily obtained from the county in which the birth was recorded for around $10 or so? Why are the names of three different hospitals floated as places where he was born? Why do many people over in Kenya claim to have seen his birth? I don’t know the answer to any of these, but I’m sure there are perfectly good explanations for them all.
What about Obama’s disappearing act at Columbia? His picture not appearing in yearbook isn’t all that instructive. Once you get past my freshman year, I doubt that my picture would be in my undergrad university’s yearbook, since I don’t think I was all that interested in wasting the time to have it taken. BUT. There are tons of people – professors and students mostly – who would remember me from my undergraduate days. When you go to college, you’re part of a community, and at a smaller college like Columbia University (which in 2009 admitted slightly less than 1900 students into its freshman class), people know each other, or at least know of each other. Columbia’s admissions numbers were probably even smaller back in 1979, when Obama would have been entering as a freshman. In fact, Columbia’s class sizes seem pretty comparable to my own undergrad university’s. In neither school would a student who did anything besides sit in their dorm room 24/7/365 be an unknown. Especially not someone as obviously outgoing and participatory as Barack Obama seems to be.
A sampling of 400 students who were in school at the time Obama says he was, at a school that small, would be a large, inclusive sample. 400 out of, say, 7600 students (taking the 2009 number as a guide) is 5.26% of the putative student body, or slightly more than 1 out of 20 students from that period. Somebody should remember him, on statistical odds alone.
Yet they don’t.
Granted, this doesn’t prove the contentions of the birthers. But it is odd enough to make you pause and scratch your head.
As does the question of why Americans were dumb enough to elect an enigma wrapped up in mystery like Barack Obama.
There is so much about Obama that we do not know about, and what we do know is highly disturbing.
He must have gotten an online degree.
/ / /
Zero is hiding something in his lack of paper work disclosure. It’s not the birth certificate per se, but there is some fire in all of that smoke in his background. If he was ‘trying’ to destroy the US, what would he do differently than he already is?
re: #2 by m
lol, there is a “Colombia College” online. Hmmmm.
re: #1 by Speranza
re: #2 by m
I personally believe Obama has been groomed almost 25 yes by the Progressives. He tailored him pushed him out there to take power.
he is hiding something. His back ground is the most mysterious of any candidate. Do I believe he was born in the US, yes… But I agree with “smoke / fire” analogy. There is some bad mojo going on with his background. Probably not a very good student or was remdial in some way. He has something to hide. Obvious. When you are in the public eye, your background is gonna be checked
I’m tempted to say that we get what we deserve….but then I recoil at the thought because I didn’t fucking deserve this. And neither did any of the 48% who voted against this nobody.
The reason we had this poseur foisted on us is solely the responsibility of the media. They knew that he was a cypher, a radical leftist, probably a communist and they decided not only to hide it from the electorate but to attack those who pointed it out.
The media is an un-American domestic enemy right in our midst.
There are a lot of valid questions about Obama, just as there are every Democrat (and Republican) Presidential Candidate. Why is it, then, that the Republican’s have to have a fingerprint background search, complete medical write up, mortgage payments against their soul, and fore-skin print (rumor is that Sara Palin, if nominated, may only have to provide one example of that), while the Donks put up the Man with No Name as their candidate, and no questions are asked? The same was true of Clinton. I had a friend who grew up in Little Rock, and he regaled us with tales from Clinton’s Crypt, and we basically thought he was bullshitting us. There was no way Clinton could have that many skeletons in his closet and the GOP not just have a coronation for their man. Well, my friend from Little Rock wasn’t bullshitting us, and we got eight years of the Scandal That Ate America.
Now, the Democrats have done it again. I’m only half-way joking when I suggest that the Republicans may just be more comfortable as the minority party. They shure do seem to miss a lot of oppertunities to change that condition, don’t they?
I flew pretty much under the radar when I was in college. Mainly becuase I was a commuter student who went to work after classes were over for the day. But I absolutely guarantee that if I was elected to some notable public office, people would remember me.
It is absolutely unfathomable to me that nobody can be found that remembers sitting next to the future freaking President of the United States, for crying out loud.
Something really stinks. And if we had a media that was worth a shit, somebody would be digging into this enigma. But, as I said before, we don’t have a media that is worth a shit.
Worthless bastards.
re: #9 by LGoPs
I flew under the radar at both college and Dental School. I figured the less professors knew me, the less shit they could give me. Burt still people knew me. I did have friends and there were some picture of me. Some I wish I could burn now, but that’s another story.
i got a real problem with this obama crap.
the american intelligence agencys must know all there is to know about him.
if there was anything dodgy about him, he would never have got to this point in american politics.
sorry but i just cant see it.
RRRRAAAAAACCCIIIISSSSSTTT!!!!
re: #9 by LGoPs
People tend to come out of the woodwork when somebody gets famous to say “I knew him, he was in my *insert here* class. It is unusual that has happened.
I dunno why Obama would lie about Columbia, and I did find this:
That, from Columbia College Today.
I was a Malcolm Xer for a second or two.
He DOES look a lot like him.
Go ahead. Let the eternal banishment commence.
((cowering))
re: #12 by Bumr50
only half racist… after all, he is bi-racial.
Ten things men shouldn’t do in the bathroom
http://viralfootage.com/?p=3770
re: #11 by justin case
Maybe they don’t consider it dodgy. Reverend Wright comes to mind.
but but but this is the most transparent administration in history isn’t it?
I read this last year during the campaign. Of course, none of the Fellatio Media thought it worthy to investigate. Hell, they still don’t think it’s worthy to investigate. Any questions as to why Barry won’t release his transcripts? Does Columbia give out correspondence/match book degrees?
The Fellation Media won’t even bring up the little matter of Barry and Me-chelle Antoinette both having to give up their law licenses.
Barry is a super-sized ego of a fraud perpetrated upon the American people by the DNC and the Fellatio Media.
I’d like to see his college transcripts. His term papers.
One thing is for sure, the guy is smart.
But I’d still like to know why he’s hiding his academic records.
Someone had to hold his feet during the kegstand.
re: #11 by justin case
Hillary would have found it.
Zombie did some very interesting research on Obama and the Columbia years back during the campaign, noting not only Obama’s invisibility there but the fact that he was involved with the same issues as the then-still-active Weather Underground, and that Bill Ayers was living not far from where Obama was then living.
Zombie’s research was unable to find anything to bridge that tiny gap that would have established whether Obama was in contact with Ayers and involved with the Weather Underground at the time. But it is very interesting reading for all that.
re: #9 by LGoPs
Yeah, people would remember me from all over the place. Now, I am a fairly memorable person, but wouldn’t Obama have been, as well? How many Kenyans did you meet in school? I met one, a woman from kenya, at Community College. I didn’t have any classes with her, only met her the one time, but her being from Africa was unusual enough that I remember her even though I only met her in passing.
No one remembers Obama? Obama? Maybe they remember Barry Soetero? Still nothing?
What were his grades like? Was he an exceptional student? Who studied with him for tests? Who partied with him on weekends? none of these people, hundreds and hundreds of them all totaled, none of them remembers him?
Damn, but that is freaky. Twilight Zone freaky. Yesterday, upon the stair, I met a man who wasn’t there…
re: #8 by Iron Fist
I beg to differ.
The Donks did not put up a Man with No Name.
They put up a Name with No Man.
Here’s the link to the zombietime story:
http://www.zombietime.com/obama_and_the_weather_underground/
You’re getting sleeeepy. Your eyelids are heavy. Sleeep . Forget his grades. Forget college. Forget his pastor. Forget his associations with criminals and terrorists. Forget his radicalism.
Sleeeeeep sheeple. Sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
re: #19 by merimac
I know your being sarcastic but did you know as of April he had signed eleven bills into law and one out of the eleven had a five day posting.
“Sunlight Before Signing: Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them. As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.”
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics/index_campaign.php
# 21 Shug
That’s pure supposition as any time Barry speaks without TOTUS, he proves he is not smarter than a fifth grader.
OT: But this is disgusting
Over in the hippie swamp, they are tar and feathering “Christians” again by reporting on what an “African” church is doing. Assholes. I’m Jewish and I’m outraged,
re: #21 by Shug
Upon what evidence do you assert that Obama is smart?
I’m not sure speaking ability and intelligence correlate.
Look at Stephen Hawking
( OK, bad example. Bad Shug. Down boy)
All you need to know……..
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae277/RAPH6969/obamadocuments.jpg
Obama smart?
Can somebody provide some evidence for this outrageous claim?
I’m not sure speaking ability and intelligence correlate.
Look at George Bush
( OK, bad example. Bad Rancher. Down boy)
Seriously, you don’t graduate from the universities they did without being smart. Brilliant no, but smart.
re: #32 by Overlook
Upon what evidence do you assert that Obama is smart?
Didn’t he graduate magna cum laude from Harvard Law?
I don’t think you have to be brilliant to graduate law school, but to be top of your class at a place that’s probably filled with smart people, I think proves he’s an intelligent guy.
That’s my opinion and I’m sticking by it unless somebody turns up his 500 on his SAT
You know these questions are not allowed. Good for a new thread at the shit hole though.
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re: #19 by merimac
Well, we all can see right thru him.
re: #11 by justin case
“i got a real problem with this obama crap.
the american intelligence agencys must know all there is to know about him.
if there was anything dodgy about him, he would never have got to this point in american politics.
sorry but i just cant see it.”
excuse me, but what exactly is the role of “the american intelligence agencys” in elections? answer: nothing.
so, what exactly did you expect them to do?
# 33 Shug
I’m not sure speaking ability and intelligence correlate.
I know you self-corrected, but think about this: Why do you think lawyer Barry never practised law in court in front of a judge and jury? He’d bore a jury to tears, and lose the case for his client with his inability to speak coherently off the cuff. Barry cannot think on his feet, which is a bad character trait in any lawyer, much less a president.
re: #31 by Nevergiveup
i know i just went there and i feel sick.
one poster said, is there any difference between christian fundamentalists and the taliban.
johnson you low grade scummy godless git.
re: #39 by Macker
Congrats!
One thing for sure, a harvard education doesn’t say much about some people.
re: #30 by RickMZ
I also question Obama’s smarts. I concede that he is clever, but more in a street hustler sort of way, rather than academically. Radiacl leftists are intellectually vacant.
Frankly, I question the intelligence of any radical leftist, degreed or not. Anyone with even a passing acquaintenceship with history and the 100 million dead sacrificed at the altars of totalitarian progressivism is either blindingly, dangerously stupid or malevolently evil. Neither of these qualifies one for the Presidency.
*Spit*
CJ officially bottoms out!
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re: #45 StillAMarine
Any difference between these Christian fundamentalists and the Taliban?
The size of their group and how well armed they are. Other than that no.
re: #46 by LGoPs
I think you hit the nail on the head.
Intelligence doesn’t mean the person knows what the fuck they are doing.
IQ for IQ I’ll take Obama over Sarah Palin but I’d much rather have her as president!!!
re: #46 by LGoPs
I think O’Bama is an intellectual light weight. His knowledge of history is pathetic.
re: #30 by RickMZ
And that is probably what he is hiding. He won’t release his college transcripts because he was only a so-so student. When you bill yourself out as Super-Genius the Magnificant, that C+ in Calculus doesn’t exactly drive the point home. Or the D in Con-Law. Still, you’d think that there would be people who knew him, and that there’d be some kind of story for a baby journalist to follow up on. Nothing controversial that might get you left at Ft. Marcy Park, but something that would be interesting for a Sunday paper article on the Man Who Would Be President. Show the human side of Barry Obama, a man that none of us apparently knows…
re: #43 by justin case
And the guy was serious.
And updinged
# 46 LGoPs
Barry is the first, and hopefully last, shuck and jive president.
/I will now dutifully report myself to WhiteHouse/snitch.gov
Is there any difference between christian fundamentalists and the taliban.
Yeah, Christian fundamentalists are no longer welcome at LGF. Well, unless they hide it pretty well.
Is Barack Obama viewed as slavery reparations by some?
Oh yeah, and that beheading shit.
re: #41 by Kirly
i dont understand your reply to me,
my point is if there was anything shady or oh so slightly illegal about obama, then it would be known, i am not trying to defend the idiot.
I recommend that those who have not yet done so read Invisible Man, by Ralph Ellison.
This novel, very popular in the early ’60s, traces the odyssey of an unnamed black narrator from his birth in the South through his travails in the North. It is one of the short-list contenders for the Great American Novel of the 20th Century–and certainly for the second half of the 20th Century. While an easy read, if you do easy reading, it is also densely-layered with allusions and symbols.
Now, why would I recommend this excellent work in this thread? Because the unnamed narrator becomes a community organizer for the communist party, called “the Brotherhood” in the novel. He is adopted by them because he is “an effective speaker” on the grounds that he “set off a protest against evictions” (which he did not in fact do), and, with party backing, becomes a major community figure/spokesperson.
He later finds, of course, how much of a puppet he is and how much he has been used.
However, the point is that this character’s rise is very, very similar to what our current president’s rise would have been if, say, he had been approached while at Columbia as a naive youth and asked, “how would you like to be the President of the United States?”
and sharms ‘this is disgusting’ is right on cue.
do they ever post ANYTHING that isn’t a bash against religion?
And why aren’t any of the women there insulted by the ‘caribu barbie’ references?
If you have to use personal attacks then you have lost the argument.
re: #42 by RickMZ
Obama is a monotoned voiced procrastinator and a charlatan who has managed to fool a whole lot of gullible and stupid Americans into voting for him.
Didn’t it take him 4 months to decide what kind of puppy to get?
re: #48 by Shug
I don’t know if BHO is smart or not, but there are such odd things about him.
He self described himself as drunk & stoned all through hih school earning poor grades.
Yet he gets awarded an academic scholarship to Occidental College.
# 48 Shug
Geez, dude/dudette, you’re really reaching with the Barry love. How can you label someone like Barry as having a good/decent IQ when everything in his life has been handed to him, with no questions ever asked of him, thanks to affirmative-action?
re: #53 by kansas
Let me know the next time a Christian fundamentalist blows himself on your bus ride.
re: #47 by Speranza
Radical Christianists are going to kidnap him and cut his head off if he keeps saying shit like that! They aren’t? Well, damn, but I though they were supposed to be as bad as the Taliban. Can we at least get a little stoning action going on? Maybe hang some gays? The Christianists don’t do that, either? What good are they, then?
re: #43 by justin case
“one poster said, is there any difference between christian fundamentalists and the taliban.”
justin, CFnJ has said that as well so he clearly will have no issue with it.
re: #62 by Speranza
Don’t they do that all the time?
re: #57 by buzzsawmonkey
I’ll have to take you up on that. Black Like Me was book the du jour when I was formatating.
You all might like this.
This year at work we did our benefits/healthcare package on-line.
at the end it prints out what the company paid for our healthcare. tacking several thousands onto our ” income ”
I ran this little fact by all the hope and change moonbat morons I work with and let them know I found this little calculation troubling as I can see a time ( soon) when we’ll have to declare the larger number and pay taxes on all of it.
Hope and Change is expensive, I said.
They are scared
re: #37 by Shug
And he wrote an entirely average Note while he was editor of the Harvard Law Review.
I do not know his SAT or is LSAT score. Affirmative action may or may not have been in play.
But one looks to actual writing, actual statements, actual voting record, actual accomplishments to determine smarts.
And one can get through 20 years of educational institutions without being smart, or educated.
Draper in GQ is trying to make the case that Obama is a “writer” to explain his curiously aloof leadership that relies on speeches and stage-setting. Not persuasive.
re: #62 by Speranza
Let me know the next time a Christian fundamentalist blows himself on your bus ride.
He’d have to be pretty limber, and have a pretty strong disregard for public indecency laws.
This link was sent to me last week in an e-mail. I have not researched it, nor do I know what the reputability is of the Sunday Standard. Note the date and the headline.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
The blithering idiot weights in
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re: #84 baier
If one of these Pentecostal churches opened in Europe or the US and did the same thing they do in the African Churches, would there be movement to ban the bible? What would the “anti-jihad” bloggers say about it?
They’re not interested in extremism from any source except islam.
It’s very telling.
re: #62 by Speranza
lol. forgot the UP word there.
I suspect Obama is telling the truth here. His statement is a tacit admission that he was a mediocre student at Occidental, and he was likely a radical student at Columbia, less concerned about grades than revolutionary/black philosophy. His statement also is a way of saying Occidental was too white/oriental for his tastes.
re: #60 by RIX
I don’t know, I wasn’t drunk or stoned through high school, but I wasn’t exactly a model citizen, either, and I had a full academic scholorship. Not to Occidental, but then my grandmother wasn’t a Bank VP, either. Barry O is a child of wealth and privilege. To pretend anything else is ludicrous.
re: #57 by buzzsawmonkey
Joe Jackson wrote a song about that book.
re: #54 by Bumr50
“Is Barack Obama viewed as slavery reparations by some?”
By Rush. I think he made some such remark, one that of course was deemed racist.
How do you put a remark into those big quotes?
re: #69 by buzzsawmonkey
LOL! I meant obviously “blows himself up”!
# 59 Mad Mullah
Three months, actually. But his finding a church ‘for his kids’ is turning into the hunt for the great black whale.
re: #76 by Rancher
I dunno. HTML they tell me.
re: #78 by RickMZ
Didn’t it take him 4 months to decide what kind of puppy to get?
Three months, actually. But his finding a church ‘for his kids’ is turning into the hunt for the great black whale.
He should just be honest and find a mosque.
re: #64 by Kirly
This is a favourite comparison with Dawkins too. Adds to my theory that Charles easily becomes a disciple.
In “The God Delusion”, Dawkins invariably equates the Taliban with fundamentalist Christians.
It is not merely a defense against the accusation of “Islamophobia”. They present the threat of a Christian Dominion to be greater than that of an Islamic Caliphate.
hippie control freak hits bottom; digs.
I’d hate to have your miserable life.
re: #71 by Speranza
If tomorrow, cj decided he was a wingnut…as far to the right as he could get…that ditz would turn on a dime and support whatever he said.
She has NO identity of her own.
how pathetic sharm is.
re: #66 by Bumr50
There is no comparison between the two books. “Black Like Me” was a work of reportage.
“Invisible Man” is a work of fiction by one of the most brilliant black conservatives of mid-century America; it is both novel and a work of political discussion/philosophy.
While Ellison wrote relatively little after “Invisible Man” (mostly essays, I believe, and he also suffered a fire that destroyed a lot of his work), he was a mentor to people like Alfred (?) Murray and, I believe (I could be wrong here) Thomas Sowells.
” Any difference between these Christian fundamentalists and the Taliban? ”
anybody who asks that question I urge you to go dressed as a flamboyant homosexual and visit a fundamentalist church and a taliban run Afghan mosque
go ahead. I dare you
re: #58 by typicalwhitey
RW’s email address ws sent to “m” and she will forward to you.
re: #85 by Shug
The difference between getting a job as choir director and getting killed?
re: #85 by Shug
I think that LGF has officially bottomed out. Can you imagine even a year ago someone writing shit like that on LGF?
re: #64 by Kirly
re: #43 by justin case
and here’s the link – remember to cut and paste
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/641/5426112
and the quote (and do note that this is one of his own comments which he quietly edited)
“By the way, radical Islamists are also very opposed to the theory of evolution, and very big on their own version of “intelligent design.” It’s something that Islamofascists and far-right religious fanatics have in common.”
iirc, it originally said “Christians” rather than “far-right religious fanatics”.
the bastard hates God and anyone who believes in God. period. The Jews who are left over there will be given their walking papers if they ever say they believe their own Scriptures.
If I were investing in LGF right now I would sell short.
re: #83 by typicalwhitey
she is like that nanny from the omen, look at me charles look at me. crash.
I hadn’t heard that he’d graduated “magna” from Harvard. They made a big deal of his being on the Law Review, but Fox did point out that he was ELECTED to the law review, and was not chosen for his grades.
I have to laugh – remember in 2004 when the media wanted to show Kerry as this brilliant prince and Bush as the country bumpkin and then they got their respective grades from Harvard and Yale and found out Bush not only had the higher tested IQ but had better grades than Kerry.
I notice the Drive-by Media has never questioned Zero’s mania to hide his past. Like I said last year – they performed a greater dissection on Joe the Plumber in 24 hours than they did in 24 months on Zero.
re: #86 by Speranza
thanks.
who is ‘m’?
Sorry, I haven’t been on here a lot…just found the place yesterday!
re: #83 by typicalwhitey
She really needs therapy. If CJ went back to the old LGF politics of 2002 -06 – she would be the biggest right-winger out there.
re: #74 by Iron Fist
Right, but I bet that you made grades. Obama himself described himself as a poor student.
Why would a poor student get an academic ride anywhere?
He has had things handed to him & feels entitled & does not handle adversity well, witness his war on Fox.
re: #91 by justin case
Its pathetic really.
re: #94 by Speranza
No I can’t see anyone getting by with posting that crap a year ago!
Yes she would, she apparently has no identity of her own.
Does she work? Have a family? Anything?
re: #93 by typicalwhitey
She is one of the adminsitrators. Actually she might contact RW and ask him if it is alright.
re: #56 by justin case
“i dont understand your reply to me,
my point is if there was anything shady or oh so slightly illegal about obama, then it would be known, i am not trying to defend the idiot.”
and my point was … how would it be known? since it isn’t known, how would the intelligence agencies have been involved?
Anybody remember when Spinal Tap played the and got second billing to a puppet show
“if I told them once I told them a dozen times, it’s spinal tap first and puppet show last”
re: #28 by Shug
”
You’re getting sleeeepy. Your eyelids are heavy. Sleeep . Forget his grades. Forget college. Forget his pastor. Forget his associations with criminals and terrorists. Forget his radicalism.
Sleeeeeep sheeple. Sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep”
Ohhh look! unicorns!
re: #96 by typicalwhitey
She doesn’t work, she blogs 24/7 on LGF.
re: #84 by buzzsawmonkey
It sounds like a great read!
I enjoy Thomas Sowell’s columns a lot. I especially enjoyed this one.
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell100609.php3
re: #99 by Shug
“This goes to 11!”
If you can’t tell the difference between Taliban cutting out tongues and murdering whole families just for voting and some fundies holding up snakes and speaking in tongue.
There are no words
re: #104 by Shug
Speaking in tongues, cutting out tongues. Whats the difference really?
re: #89 by Kirly
I remember that post in it’s original form.
re: #98 by Kirly
I think they mean that it would have been found out by the intelligence agencies.
re: #105 by kansas
One’s a spiritual gift the other is barbaric.
And no, I do not approve of dancing with snakes.
re: #107 by typicalwhitey
think they mean that it would have been found out by the intelligence agencies.
Who would have done what with it? Do the intelligence agencies brief the American voters?
Apparently they don’t.
re: #89 by Kirly
i remember reading that when he posted it,
as you say its only a matter of time and the right post before he cleans house of all people with faith, i thought he was going to turn on israel the other day, but then he got a hat tip from a newspaper in israel and it made his day.
but the day is coming, he is an agressive atheist and they cant help but attack.
re: #102 by Bumr50
Good column.
Interestingly, Sowell’s column reminds me of a statement by the Socialist leader and Presidential candidate Eugene Debs: “I am not the Moses to lead you into the Promised Land. I would not lead you into the Promised Land if I could, for if I could lead you in, someone else could lead you out.”
I offer this not only as a good piece of general wisdom, as people cast about for, or look back fondly on, leaders–but to observe that there was a time when at least some leftwing leaders, wrong as their ideas may have been, nonetheless had some level of integrity.
re: #109 by kansas
No but they do brief Congress.
Do you honestly feel that no Republican Congressman would have told the media if the intelligence agencies had something on Obama?
re: #81 by Overlook
you job my memory, thank you. thus, i correct my own #89…
“By the way, radical Islamists are also very opposed to the theory of evolution, and very big on their own version of “intelligent design.” It’s something that Islamofascists and far-right religious fanatics have in common.”
iirc, it originally said “Christians” rather than “far-right religious fanatics”.
correction – it originally compared the taliban with Christians.
re: #58 by typicalwhitey
Many of them need to get out of the house and interract with people. They have stupid and simple opinions about things they know nothing about.
re: #110 by justin case
Well, I am happy to see that you qualified “atheist”.
There are are few of us easy-going atheists who never attack (though we do shake our heads a lot).
re: #104 by Shug
some fundies holding up snakes and speaking in tongue.
What’s ironic is that actual Christian fundamentalists don’t speak in tongues or handle snakes. Those belong to the Charismatics.
re: #111 by buzzsawmonkey
In my opinion that integrity died in 1972. Prior to that the Democratic Party still contained honorable men – Humphrey, Kennedy, Jackson etc.
re: #112 by typicalwhitey No but they do brief Congress.
Do you honestly feel that no Republican Congressman would have told the media if the intelligence agencies had something on Obama?
I am not sure of the function of the intelligence agencies is to vet Presidential candidates. And I’m pretty sure if there was something that a Republican Congressman knew, if he went to the “media” he would be toast.
re: #107 by typicalwhitey
well, ok, but the intelligence agencies aren’t involved in vetting candidates before elections, afaik (which isn’t saying much, of course). they didn’t say anything about Clinton prior to the election. why would we expect them to say anything about anyone prior to an election. and, iirc, Clinton would not be able to get a security clearance if he was NOT prez. i’m sure that’s even more true of 0.
re: #111 by buzzsawmonkey
Your comment brought to mind Bono’s op-ed in the fishwrap today:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/opinion/18bono.html
I don’t agree with him, but I had an almost irrepressible urge to embrace his message simply for the fact that his intentions are straightforward. We can, at the very least, go from there. Do you follow?
re: #116 by tqcincinnatus
Some science fundies think humans came from Monkeys.
*Sniker*
OK, so the students have no recollection of B. Hussein, but the University must have records that would show he did or did not attend Columbia. And if it’s proven that he did not attend it would only make him a liar, a thing I already believe he is.
re: #115 by Overlook
I remember making observations elsewhere about the behavior of the hostile, evangelical strand of atheists—the types who kept the fire-and-brimstone style, but merely translated it from pro- to anti-religion—and invariably being attacked for observing that such types do in fact exist.
The attackers, of course, completely exemplified this strain of attack-dog atheism, but attempted to simultaneously declare (naturally) how loving and tolerant atheism was by nature.
I would be shocked if Obama did not graduate from Columbia U. In fact, I think we cannot be distracted and bark up the wrong trees.
I would, however, like to see his college and law school transcripts.
He is seen as some “genius,” and yet we have no grades to prove his intellect. I would like to see whether he was an “A” or a “C” student.
I am guessing the latter, which is why he keeps his transcript a secret!
Maybe some research based on this is in order.
http://www.wikicu.com/Barack_Obama
re: #39 by Macker
congrats….but I hate to tell ta one day she will tell you the honeymoons over dear
re: #122 by song_and_dance_man
Isn’t there a guy who claims that he was BHO’s classmate at Columbia?
If memory serves me BHO & the roommate traveled to Pakistan & Indonesia together & The roommate is Pakistani.
I have found throughout the years that having a high IQ can mean nothing. You need some common sense to go along with it. I have known many people with high IQ’s who barely could spell!
I still can’t understand why he was the President of the Harvard Law Review but has no example of his writing. How the hell did he get that job and not write one thing??
Uh oh Bill Mayer has left the plantation.
re: #6 by MikeA
That’s what I think. He’s hiding something that will prove to be very embarrassing. Who knows what it could be? Is there any way someone could force a showing of his records?
re: #123 by buzzsawmonkey
my opinion on evangelical athiests
http://kirls.blogspot.com/2008/06/evangelical-athiests.html
i wrote that up in June of ‘08. i was banned soon after. gee, i wonder if that’s why. not that it matters, of course, just noting that i, like many others, were never informed of any reason. perhaps he was trolling the internet and his users websites long before he stated it publically. what a fool. may his blog die and vanish from the interwebs soon.
re: #115 by Overlook
i try to live by the golden rule, and no disrespect to you but i have had a few bad experiences with atheists and my opinion has been shaped by those occasions.
if you are a live and let live atheist then you are probably in the minority.
How the hell is this guy in public anything?
Occidental College records – Not released
Columbia College records – Not released
Columbia Thesis paper – “not available”
Harvard College records – Not released
Selective Service Registration – Not released
Medical records – Not released
Illinois State Senate records – “not available”
Illinois State Senate schedule – “not available”
Law practice client list – Not released
Certified Copy of original Birth certificate – Not released
Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth – Not released
Harvard Law Review articles published – None
University of Chicago scholarly articles – None
re: #117 by LGoPs
Eugene Debs was a labor leader in the late-nineteenth and early-twentieth centuries–and by all accounts I have read, an intelligent and principled man.
He lived, and advocated socialism, at a time when believing that it offered a solution to the worst abuses of and conditions in industry may have been wrong, but it was not the mark of someone who was necessarily self-deluded.
re: #123 by buzzsawmonkey
The attack atheists – like Dawkins – do of course see themselves as “loving and tolerant” as they are hard leftists.
There atheism is political and their activism modeled on civil rights activism. Step one is to establish their “victim” credentials. Then they can organize – like feminists – for their “rights”.
Part of being a victim is to have an enemy. Patriarchy (men) for feminists. Christianity (even more than Islam) for atheists.
They give atheism a bad name.
re: #116 by tqcincinnatus
You know, I actually know Christians who do speak in tongues and they are fundies, it is a spiritual gift that some have.
re: #135 by Overlook
Corrected “there” to “their”
re: #123 by buzzsawmonkey
The attack atheists – like Dawkins – do of course see themselves as “loving and tolerant” as they are hard leftists.
Their atheism is political and their activism modeled on civil rights activism. Step one is to establish their “victim” credentials. Then they can organize – like feminists – for their “rights”.
Part of being a victim is to have an enemy. Patriarchy (men) for feminists. Christianity (even more than Islam) for atheists.
They give atheism a bad name.
On Obama and records at Columbia U.:
Find out who was the academic dean at the time Obama was there.
His grades had to be bad, bad, bad or they would be blowing that smoke up our ass’s too, also.
Check the Columbia U. publications from the time
most of the “dean report” stuff just could be there somewhere on the University web site.
Check out the newspaper’s and other publications from the time. name search.’
Any local commie party publications or orgizations just may have records of past events and who spoke on redistribution.
The man is pure dumb ass and may have no record other than the money they dripple out to him for rolling over the U.S. Constitution.
re: #127 by RIX
Sohale Siddiqi ?
http://www.wikicu.com/Image:Obamasiddiqi.jpg
re: #129 by typicalwhitey
Who? Is he related to the wiener guy?
OMG:
43 Charles
Mon, Oct 19, 2009 11:21:16am replyquote 0downupreport
re: #24 Diamond Bullet
Anti-vax is the left wing’s answer to the anti-science strains in the right.
That’s simply not true. This is not a “left wing” issue. There are plenty of right wingers who are just as crazy about vaccines.
re: #43 Charles
You are of course correct – Beck and Limbaugh have joined the anti-vaccination brigade. Still, I think it’s traditionally, at least, been more of a far left phobia.
You are OF COURSE correct??
The guy is full of it! It is SICKENING to see this kind of asskissing!
re: #128 by blondgranny
One of my more amusing experiences in the Army was of a new lieutenant assigned to my battalion. He had a PhD and had tired of schooling and wanted to spend time as an Infantry Officer. Admirable motive but a source of great amusement to all the soldiers in the unit, including his fellow officers. Amusement because he was absolutely devoid of common sense and came across as one of the most profoundly stupid people anyone had ever met.
His soldiers willingly followed him out of sheer curiousity to see what new idiocy he’d commit every day.
Guy was a barrel of laughs.
re: #127 by RIX
There are differing stories about that trip. One more thing about B. Hussein that hasn’t been answered by him.
re: #141 by typicalwhitey
Amusing but sad to see otherwise decent people grovel before a guy who is in no more position to know about things then your typical mailman.
Barry! Why’d you go and hide your report card? Mrs. Harris down the street says Robbie got his. Where’s yours?
re: #141 by typicalwhitey
You are OF COURSE correct??
It’s a typo. It was supposed to read, “You are off course. Correct?”
And the final prostration:
re: #65 Martinsmithy
Actually, when I think about the flouridation scares of past years, which were pretty much a right-wing phobia, I have to take back even my last equivocation in #65. As we have seen with creationism, anti-science nonsense is at least as prevalent on the far-right as on the far-left.
re: #141 by typicalwhitey
all that is left commenting there are psychophants (sic).
re: #107 by typicalwhitey
And what evidence is there that they were looking?
re: #132 by justin case
We have all had bad experiences from zealots. We are all experiencing Obama right now.
But I have a feeling that there are vast numbers of “silent” atheists, getting on with their lives faith-free.
re: #131 by Kirly
You know it’s funny, I’ve found that when you go to an atheist website they seem to talk a lot about God and the things of God. I’ve often wondered, if God doesn’t exist why do they spend so much time focusing on Him?
sorry guys I haven’t been over there in a while and I am shocked at what I am seeing!
re: #143 by song_and_dance_man
What’s funny is that no one would really care or have time to ask such questions if he’d just get on with the business of running the country like a leader.
re: #128 by blondgranny
I tested at 136 as a child and am still an idiot (in a prince Miskin Lev Nikolaivitch sort of way)to this day.
I do not make Machiavelli proud, But I don’t need a teleprompter to read from notes as a presenter.
My grammar and spelling are terrible from moving around through school systems, but I always aced abstract, position, and term papers when the chips were down and I had time to proof.
Obama could be anything on the intelligence scale, though I supect he is just bright enough to be savy in a community organizer sort of way.
He was the right guy at the right time for the left to lift up an present to the dullards among us.
Damn lucky is what he is. Blessed?….not so much….a curse upon us all?….time and events will tell
This entire thread is racist!
/
re: #151 by davehm
amazing, isn’t it? i think it’s because they hate God and His followers so much that they are continuously stalking Him and them. Just like CFnJ stalks us here, on other blogs, in our chat room, and on our own blogs. He is obsessed with destroying us.
I was the first (no hubris here) to mention that this man is Chance the Gardner. I only wish that his interests were limited only to “watching”.
re: #156 by Kirly
“He is obsessed with destroying us.”
He’ll fail! Matthew 17:18
re: #156 by Kirly
“He is obsessed with destroying us.”
He’ll fail! Matthew 16:18
re: #141 by typicalwhitey
Charles is determined to show that there is more irrationality on the right than the left.
This is in itself irrational. Why do it? To persuade the world to vote left? To justify his own vote for leftists?
Politically socialism is profoundly irrational. It eclipses all other irrationalities in the sheer scale of the misery it will inflict.
# 124 Delectable
In my book, grades aren’t the only measure. I’d rather have a ‘C’ student in Calculus, than an ‘A’ student in basket weaving, or more broadly a ‘C’ student in engineering than an ‘A’ student in sociology. I want to know what Econ courses he took, and what level (intro to Marxist economics doesn’t count). What upper level history, poly-sci, math courses? What were his core law curriculum grades? What elective law classes did he take?
These are what’s important to me, not just the grades.
re: #160 by Overlook
That is all he does.
How anyone who used to be there can say he hasn’t changed is beyond me.
re: #151 by davehm
How true and telling. But a lot of “atheists” are simply non-believers or agnostic, and they are unlikely to go to sites like that. They live and let live.
OTOH, some “atheists” are, more strictly speaking, ANTI-theists, and those are the ones with a devilish axe to grind. Being part of a Judaeo-Christian culture, they are naturally more hostile to Biblical religion than to other faiths. I have heard many an anti-theist wax lyrical about Zuni rain dances and the Dalai Lama, but that Joooo book and all it stands for is despised.
re: #142 by LGoPs
re: #128 by blondgranny
A High IQ is not a guarantor of success in life. I would rather have a higher emotional IQ. Common sense, emotional maturity, self confidence, an ability to get along with people, empathy – those are greater predictors of success. I’ve met several Ivy League graduates who are pretty dumb when it comes to common sense but man can they spout Leftist dogma.
re: #160 by Overlook
Is there an irrationality scale? Or is the irrationality scale itself irrational?
I know from personal experiences that when I’m desperately trying to keep things grounded is when I’m on the verge of insanity.
re: #147 by typicalwhitey
“And the final prostration:
re: #65 Martinsmithy
Actually, when I think about the flouridation scares of past years, which were pretty much a right-wing phobia, I have to take back even my last equivocation in #65. As we have seen with creationism, anti-science nonsense is at least as prevalent on the far-right as on the far-left.”
Jeez Louise there are some awfully stupid people on that blog.
re: #163 by wolfie
Yes I know, a lot of them could careless they live peaceably and just go about their lives
re: #160 by Overlook
The thing to remember is that there is nothing wrong with “irrationality.” Human beings are capable of rational behavior, but they are not “rational” 24/7. Anyone who has ever been in love knows this.
Attempting to stomp out “irrational”—or, more properly, non-rational—behavior is not only doomed to failure, it is horribly destructive on both a personal and a societal level, for the non-rational, if suppressed, merely corrupts the rational.
Rational and non-rational behavior—for that matter, rational and non-rational understanding—need to be segregated the one from the other for the integrity of each to be preserved. It is for that reason that I wholeheartedly support the separation between religious and non-religious views of Man and the universe in school instruction, for instance. It is not so much a matter of “protecting science”—though the separation does that—as it is of protecting religious, or at any rate non-rational, thought as well.
We the American people are entitled to know what the background of our President is. As entitled as any middling company’s HR organization would be entitled to the same information from a job applicant.
By not demanding this background information, the media powers that be have determined that Obama would be crowned, not very unlike the way a king would be anointed. Kings don’t need to present their qualifications to their subjects either.
Ok, the king analogy is a bit far, but replace it with Leader and accompany it with the unquestioning obeisance that this Leader seems to demand and you have our new system.
Just a thought.
Hmmmmmmmmmm, and the Obama administration accuses Fox of “not being a real news network”.
Obama picked a fight and now he’s got one.
GO FOXNEWS ! !
re: #166 by Speranza
When their esteemed climatologist says that sea levels are going to rise 200′. You just can’t make this stuff up…
re: #143 by song_and_dance_man
BHO is just an international man of mystery.
re: #168 by buzzsawmonkey
Bingo. Render unto science what it science’s, render unto theology what is theology’s, and render unto philosophy what is philosophy’s. And be knowledgeable and humble enough to know the difference.
OT it takes an act of the governor just to get a stadium built in this state.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/Los-Angeles-Are-You-Ready-For-Some-Football-64701932.html
re: #151 by davehm
Religion is one of the most significant aspects of culture.
Atheists should trouble themselves to study the history of religion or comparative religion. It would alert them to the religious frame of mind that is now inflicting religion substitutes – global warming, world government, equality – upon us.
a whopping 5 percent of the class can’t recall a fellow student from 26 years ago?!
and harvard probably doesn’t check its incoming 1Ls to make sure they have an undergrad degree i bet. it’s not like harvard law is any good or anything.
surely, this man is a fraud!
re: #139 by WrathofG-d
Zero sure looks like an arrogant prick even back then.
Smug little dweeb, isn’t he?
re: #168 by buzzsawmonkey
I spent 16 years in Catholic schools and never once did I have theology taught in science classes. Theology was taught in theology classes and science was taught in science classes.
Where’s the bug spray?
re: #124 by Delectable
he graduated magna cum-laude from harvard law. this means he had a 3.7 or higher gpa. kind of hard to do that if you get lots of C’s.
you guys are fucking retarded
re: #179 by LGoPs
Yup. Same here. They didn’t teach me French in chemistry class or typing in physics, either…..although I could have used both!
re: #176 by Overlook
It’s so interesting that people want the truth from their
1) doctor
politicians
2) bank
3) spouses
4) kids
5) employer
6) employee
7) the news
9) etc.
They will dig and do their homework in the above area’s but when it comes to the truth about God they don’t study or research it, they just shut down.
re: #183 by davehm
I don’t know how that smiley face got in there.
re: #181 by spacejesus
Did you have sex with Sharmuta last night?
re: #181 by spacejesus
Go back to your overlord cj would you.
He is fresh out of toilet paper and he NEEDS you!
re: #139 by WrathofG-d
Zero looks stoned in that picture!
re: #168 by buzzsawmonkey
I suppose it is necessary to define terms.
There is the “Irrationality” of art, music, Bacchanalia, letting-go in silliness, imaginative breaking down of conventions, iconoclasm, religious ritual (rather than ideology), dancing naked on table tops, chanting, whirling, ectasy, intuition etc.
There is the irrationality of illogic – fatal in math and science.
Then there is the “irrationality” of lack of reason – madness. Or lack of justification – injustice. The great horrors of history – religious and secular can be seen as examples of irrationality.
There is no reason (or ability) to proscribe any of the irrational actions or beliefs as long as they are not mad or unjust.
re: #181 by spacejesus
BTW pig, I have a special need niece.
I am sick of you and others like you on the lgf site coming here or elsewhere and using that word.
I can assure you that you wouldn’t have the balls to say that to my face.
re: #182 by wolfie
Nice to see you here wolfie…..
re: #181 by spacejesus
Put up or shut up asshole. Post the fucking transcript go back to the sewer. Better yet, do both.
re: #189 by typicalwhitey
He is just a limp wristed leftist who loves to cry “racist” but who craps his pants when ever a “person of color” starts walking towrds him at night on a dark sdeserted street.
# 189 typicalwhitey
Spacedoutidiot wouldn’t have the balls to say it to Sarah Palin’s face, either. She has more balls than he’ll ever fondle.
re: #181 by spacejesus
Retarded? Coming from you??? LOL that is so funny!
re: #170 by BuddyG
I am hoping Fox really takes off the gloves now because there is much more than they are not saying. Many many gaps in Obama’s path to the Presidency. Bird hunting in Pakistan? Who paid for his Harvard degree and how does he pay them back.
Obama doesn’t praise Chavez for nothing.
re: #183 by davehm
The truth of God, the truths of God, are artefacts. There are also facts. Both are respectable objects of study.
re: #191 by kansas
Isn’t it pitiful that no one liked this little pos til he was willing to come over here and show his i.q. He’s the village idiot egged on by the village of the sinking ship.
re: #193 by RickMZ
How do you get those cool quote marks?
and spacejesus broke the tinfoil, made it into hats and said, ”take these all of you deucers and walk protected, for you are safe now from the dark man with the funny name and his wicked plots”
-mathew 2:17
re: #181 by spacejesus
Spacejesus. The gadfly.
Intelligence is as intelligence does. Lesson from that movie with Tom Hanks.
Are things that boring over there that you have to defend Obama’s smarts over here?
re: #197 by Grimcargo Isn’t it pitiful that no one liked this little pos til he was willing to come over here and show his i.q. He’s the village idiot egged on by the village of the sinking ship.
They like him now? He can come here and do drop a deuce, and we get banned over there. I haven’t got anything to say but profanities, and I noticed you guys don’t use em much. I have nothing further at this time.
Space Moron-Post the transcripts to show he deserved Magna Cum Laude or shut up about it.
# 198 typicalwhitey
Use this:
[blockquote][/blockquote]
but [ =
spacejesus is representative of what 1.0 has begun and for us is their poster child.
but replace ] with >
and replace [ with <
Hope you get the idea.
re: #188 by Overlook
I would define things somewhat more simply.
The “rationality” that is exalted by the worshippers of science is that of evidence which is verifiable. This standard is absolutely necessary for the purpose of observing, studying, and exploring the operation of natural phenomena. However, it is also a standard which changes over time, as methods of observation and tools of observation change and (one hopes) improve, and as one finds that the explanations which fit phenomena as previously observed no longer seem to fit when tallied with new observations.
Outside of this narrow slice of human experience—and it is a very narrow slice of the whole—there need for and utility of “rational” observation dramatically diminishes. One could argue the “rationality” of using false weights and measures as easily as the “rationality” of using true ones; short-weighting someone puts more money in your pocket in the short term, one may never be discovered, or be rich enough by the time one is discovered to escape punishment. Thus, one has to have a “non-rational” reason for honesty in dealing which overrides the “rational” reason for cheating.
Most human interactions deal with things that are covered by non-rational rules for love, charity, generosity, honesty, respect, etc. One can rationalize logical reasons for them—but any coherent structure for them is essentially a non-rational structure, whether G-d-based or not.
re: #198 by typicalwhitey
Copy and paste the phrase you want to qoute.
At the beginning of the phrase enter the less than sign followed immediately by the word blockquote.
Finish it with the greater than sign.
Then go to the end of the sentence.
Enter the less than sign and then the forward slash, type blockquote and finish by adding the greater than sign.
Don’t leave spaces anywhere.
This is the only way I can describe this – if I actually did it it would show up as a quote in my reply…..
Spacejesus is the best of the best of 1.0. The Maverick of Top Douche. Cue Kenny Loggins Danger Zone.
re: #199 by spacejesus
Still got a Jones on against the south? Still upset your bareback lover jilted you? Been awhile since you updated me. It’s ok to be gay Spacejesus. And it’s also good to not project your lovers geographical location onto a whole region.
Who let space-asshat-bigot-atheist out of the toilet?
Did CJ forget to close the lid again?
re: #201 by kansas
harvard states they only give out magna cum-laude to those with 3.7 or higher. are you saying harvard is lying?
are they in the conspiracy too? oh no!
re: #204 by RickMZ
Just ignore the fuckstick.
re: #204 by RickMZ
Or typical can go here
re: #208 by orangecrush
there’s nothing wrong with being gay whatsoever. are you making a pass at me?
re: #181 by spacejesus
If Obama believes in transparency he should be transparent. Like everyone else. A 3.7 is not that hard to get. A 4.0 would be harder.
re: #26 by Overlook
That is brilliant. Nails it.
In my experience, the people who most defend the supposed integrity of such institutions as elite universities are people who have had little to no dealings with them.
re: #214 by spacejesus
No lol, but that is the source of your angst. I won’t out you any more then that. We used to be friendly under a different nic.
Space Judas
Now that you only know my sock puppet over on lgf’s .0001,, you now like my post,,, as does icewealse and Ludwiggedout.
See you over there.
I may just up ding you for old times sake.
“k”
re: #214 by spacejesus
Do you notice that you aren’t banned here space?
Do you notice how different that is than on lgf, your hometown?
As I said before though, cj is in desperate need of toilet paper…none of you losers will give him any money apparently…so please go back and help him before…God forbid…he has to ask sharmuta for help.
She will take that as a sign that cj loves her and he will have to renew his restraining order.
Didn’t your mothers teach you to keep the lid down on the toilet seat?
Grabs mop, shakes head muttering, if you keep the lid down the turds can’t crawl out and make a mess.
/If I’ve told’em once I’ve…….
re: #210 by spacejesus
e: #201 by kansas
harvard states they only give out magna cum-laude to those with 3.7 or higher. are you saying harvard is lying?
are they in the conspiracy too? oh no!
There’s an LGF argument for you. No proof? Doesn’t matter.
So, what I am saying is that without proof, I don’t believe he got a 3.7, without proof I don’t believe he graduated with a 3.7.
You got a transcript? You got anything? Give me something, not just LGF turn the tables speak.
re: #215 by orangecrush
you have no idea how law school grading works
re: #217 by buzzsawmonkey
You noticed that too, eh? And another similar observation: those who shriek the loudest about science know the least about it.
re: #169 by LGoPs
Agree. We, the American public, are entitled to see his college transcripts. How do we know he was magna cum laude? Because his people said so?
Maybe nobody knows him from Colombia because he said “present” for roll call, then walked out – just like he did with his notorious 143 days in the senate.
re: #222 by kansas
you need some critical thinking\reading lessons
the proof is that he graduated magna cum-laude, which means he had a gpa better than 80 percent of his class.
yo
Spacebetweenears,
On your “growth” on the Democrat party, the new guy, former Republican, you know,,, “Harlot” “Spector,???
He your daddy?
I think I will sign in as spacejesus on oh let’s see….the ace of spades website.
That ought to get you shitcanned at cj’s
re: #223 by spacejesus
I think it is time for you to admit it, it just isn’t fun at LGF, is it? The thread topics are horribly boring and the posters are angry all the time. That is why you visit us, right? You secretly liked the BITE ME COMICS didn’t you?
re: #223 by spacejesus
You got no idea. If you did, you’d get banned at ponytail street.
Well I try to not pick on Spacejesus and Cato the Elder. My other nic was friendly with them and felt sorry for their situations. Spacejesus seemed extra sensitive. And Cato seems to have a self inflicted meanness to hide some fear. Spacejesus was alright when he got out of the lefty role playing and made some actual statements of fact. The emo stuff not so much.
re: #217 by buzzsawmonkey
and in my experience, people who entertain questions about the integrity of such institutions are people who failed out of them their first semester.
Killgore blowfish has the answers. Dream on Killblow
86 Killgore Trout
Mon, Oct 19, 2009 1:00:38pm replyquote 0downupreport
I see there are still a lot of people who want to obfuscate for Rush’s racism. It’s not going to work no matter how hard you try. You can convince yourself that there’s nothing wrong with the stuff he’s said or claim that didn’t say it. Nobody else is going to buy it. Rush is too racist to own a football team. It’s not only embarrassing to Rush but it also reflects poorly on conservatives. The only way this problem is going to go away is to stop listening to Rush (Beck too). The problem can be very easily fixed. Conservatives are the only ones who can do it.
re: #232 by spacejesus
Your experience is clearly terribly circumscribed.
re: #228 by typicalwhitey
Of some note:
Being shitcanned from a shitcan is not that big a deal. But for spacejuiceyfruit it would be one thing more than the other zero.
re: #231 by orangecrush
Well I’m sorry Orange but people like Cato and spacejesus have to answer for their vile behavior. I don’t give a crap the excuses. There are no excuses for a supposingly sane person to be so rude and vile towards women and children as does cato.
And Spacejesus is just stupid.
re: #226 by spacejesus
you need some critical thinking\reading lessons
the proof is that he graduated magna cum-laude, which means he had a gpa better than 80 percent of his class.
Who are you? Assweasel? OK, the deal is prove that he earned this GPA by showing transcripts. Otherwise, admit he was given this just like he was give the Nobel Prize.
I’m going home now, the site is slow to load, and asswhistle jesus is reminding me of how fucked up LGF really is.
re: #229 by snowcrash
there’s some truth in that. i only never even read much less made a comment in the comment section on lgf until charles started posting about intelligent design and obama derangement syndrome. i guess stories like those brought out all the crazies (you guys) and i liked that in a way. it was way more fun to make fun of you guys than over there, and even more fun to watch you all get banned. now i kinda miss it…
re: #233 by Grimcargo
Killgore “N-word” Trout, the N word user of HotAir late night fame has spoken! As if he has any credibility on the subject. LOL FAIL
re: #238 by spacejesus
But did you see the comics? Hilarious,no?
re: #238 by spacejesus
There is no one left to ban.
Every left knows they have to agree with cj or leave.
There isn’t any good debates or anything left over there.
Which is why you guys have to go to hotair, Ace and here.
Think about that.
How do’ folks.
Questioning BO’s college attendance and/or grades is a pointless argument IMO, just as the birth certificate flap was. The Clintons would have been the first to come up with any and all controversy if it even remotely had merit.
Besides, the seas are gonna rise 200 feet.
re: #233 by Grimcargo
How can one be “too racist to own a football team?”
Can one also be “too liberal to own a factory?” “Too sexist to own a Victoria’s Secret franchise?”
Is there some new Committee of Attitudes to which people must now submit their plans prior to purchase?
re: #205 by buzzsawmonkey
I do not think science “exalts” its rational methodology. The methodology – over time – has proved its efficacy in understanding the natural world by apply it to change it. The internal combustion engine is rational. It works.
Science and what it produces are an increasingly huge slice of our experience. We may not understand what is going on inside the computer, the car, the dishwasher etc. but we use and rely on them more and more.
We interact with far many more people than we can count, or see, or love or feel compassion for. Paying the reasonable price for something is all we know of most of those interactions.
Law arising to protect these invisible interactions will discourage dishonesty.
Love and compassion may have evolutionary rationales. I do not understand why “coherent” structures are non-rational. Myth is not essential to legal institutions or social conventions like marriage.
And myth is coherent only as narrative.
God does not tell us it is good to love or that love is good.
spacespitoon
want to out tfk’s id
check out
Greenpeace Magazine
January/February/March 1991
“Twenty Years of Raising Hell”
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that be me
where were you?
re: #241 by typicalwhitey
They bicker all the time like antagonistic siblings. Not fun at all.
re: #241 by typicalwhitey
maybe i can talk to charles about getting you all back in. that way, we can watch you make ridiculous comments, ridicule you for it, then watch you all get banned again.
we could do this cycle like once a month or something.
re: #247 by spacejesus
You are not sincere, just stupid. Go away.
re: #247 by spacejesus
gaze……..
re: #243 by buzzsawmonkey
Well they didn’t know that until President Wee Wee came along. He’s inspired everyone to see the light.
re: #233 by Grimcargo
I understand what Killgore is saying.
Rush is too white to own blacks. The football team would be like slaves on a plantation.
re: #245 by taxfreekiller
i could honestly care less
re: #247 by spacejesus
Little man soon Ponytail will ban you. Because he already has a bitch. maybe two or three bitches and that ain’t broke back footballs.
re: #196 by Overlook
“God does not tell us it is good to love or that love is good.”
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said to him “you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind”
If love wasn’t good He wouldn’t encourage us to do it.
re: #253 by Grimcargo
You made me laugh out loud!
re: #251 by Overlook
HA yeah slaves that sport five thousand dollar watches. More like escapees from a prison.
re: #255 by typicalwhitey
I heard that laughing and thought Spacejesus dropped his pants.
re: #257 by Grimcargo
You are FUNNY!
re: the comment markup questions above
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re: #257 by Grimcargo
“It looks like a penis, only smaller.”
test test
re: #256 by Grimcargo
lol yeah, they look just like convicts, what with their ill-gotten wealth and black skin.
From now on it would be best.
Use the “gauze” function for spacejudas,for he is worth only .001 of a gauss and will always remain a useless flux moving laterally with all the other useless commie want to bee’s.
the obsession with gay sex and my SpaceJunk over here is really exciting. you guys wanna make out or something?
re: #244 by Overlook
I do not think science “exalts” its rational methodology. The methodology – over time – has proved its efficacy in understanding the natural world by apply it to change it. The internal combustion engine is rational. It works.
Yes, it works in the sense that rational methodology produces predictable results. I agree; I have said as much. No problem there. Where certain advocates of what I will call scientism, since it is not science, slip into “exaltation” is when they start arguing that the knowledge of physical process somehow translates not only into an understanding of the human psyche, but a means for making value judgments.
Science and what it produces are an increasingly huge slice of our experience. We may not understand what is going on inside the computer, the car, the dishwasher etc. but we use and rely on them more and more.
Using things created by others without an understanding of how they operate is another conversation entirely.
We interact with far many more people than we can count, or see, or love or feel compassion for. Paying the reasonable price for something is all we know of most of those interactions.
Law arising to protect these invisible interactions will discourage dishonesty.
Such laws may “discourage dishonesty,” but the very concept of “dishonesty” originates in the non-rational, and its parameters were originally defined by religion.
Love and compassion may have evolutionary rationales. I do not understand why “coherent” structures are non-rational. Myth is not essential to legal institutions or social conventions like marriage.
And myth is coherent only as narrative.
To the contrary, myth defines what legal institutions, and marriage, are supposed to be, how they are supposed to operate, etc. They are absolutely essential. And while love and compassion may (note your qualifier) have “evolutionary rationales,” evolution takes place over great periods of time. The everyday exercise of love and compassion and any number of other non-rational emotions and behaviors requires rationales in the here and now which are not dependent upon the slow grinding of the eons.
God does not tell us it is good to love or that love is good.
At the risk of being brusque, you are wrong. This is said many times over in the Torah and, it is my understanding, in the New Testament.
re: #223 by spacejesus
You are quite the expert though. I mean you’ve been in law school for almost two months now. Maybe we can get you a gig as, “The World’s Foremost Authority.”
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present another loser hiding behind his keyboard posing as whatever he wishes he were in real life. I wish you the best of luck in getting a life, SpaceJesus.
re: #263 by Grimcargo
Marcel Marceau? =)
re: #262 by spacejesus
there you go again you little racist pos.
No one over here wants to make out with you what would ponytail say?
re: #254 by davehm
Sigh.
I like the prequel book better, though I do not believe in it either.
re: #251 by Overlook
I understand what Killgore is saying.
Rush is too white to own blacks. The football team would be like slaves on a plantation.
Why? Are they picking cotton uniforms?
Susejecaps
re: #267 by Flyovercountry
more like two years. you guys and facebook chat are providing some much needed entertainment during class today.
re: #269 by Grimcargo
so me pointing out your racism means im a racist. ok.
i was just asking about the making out because you guys are obsessed with pony tails, gay sex, and my wiener apparently.
re: #273 by spacejesus
blow your snot on some one elses floor
your not worth one snot rag wipe……
re: #271 by buzzsawmonkey
ROFLMAO
re: #275 by taxfreekiller
im here to help you guys, really i am.
one day you will be normal, sane, and not republican.
re: #259 by nil stooge
nil stooge,
How were you able to type the tags to show examples without them performing their function? In other words, when I insert tags you no longer see the tags but just the outcome.
This person is not Spacejesus.
re: #265 by spacejesus
Came over here to clear out the sinuses huh? Aroma of cj anus getting a little pungent is it?
re: #279 by Runner
How very Rene Magritte: “Ceci n’est-ce pas une spacejesus.”
I’ve had several off-line discussions about this issue, and in one instance, a friend actaully questioned my integrity because I won’t accept the given response on Obama’s birth certificate. I dont’ think of myself as a “birther” rather as one that isn’t buying what is being sold to me by the snake oil hucksters in the Whitehouse and fringe media.
It’s more than the absenses of the long form birth certificate. It’s the absense all his records: medical, college, birth, passport, school in Indonesia… all of it.
The media was up W and Palin, and everyone else’s ass with a scope looking for burried treasure, but nothing, no digging on Obama. Why? [/rhetorical question].
If you have nothing to hide, why hide?
re: #281 by buzzsawmonkey
And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
CJ is now “finding stories” that were previously linked by his minions in the comments. He’s still on his “prove that Rush is not a racist” dopiness.
re: #270 by Overlook
Well consider, if you will, this argument.
1) something exist…can we agree? (fact)
2) nothing can not produce something.(fact)
(nothing is just that, no-thing doesn’t have
the power to do anything at all.)
3) the universe is something (fact)
4) the universe had a beginning (fact)
logical conclusion…the universe had to come from something, I call that something God
Gen 1:1
re: #283 by Runner
I have no idea what I meant by that!
SpaceMary should have had an abortion.
re: #277 by spacejesus
I’m not a republican now, so you can call me sane.
(see my prior post)
Test
re: #265 by spacejesus
“You guys want to make out?”
Not necessary. I banged your mom last night.
re: #280 by vagabond trader
You rang?
re: philosophy/religion
Here’s a book on philosophy/religion by a smart guy (familiar to anyone into recreational mathematics) that I’d highly recommend. Like everything by him, it’s well done.
re: #284 by Bunk X
Reminds me of the “Obama did not bow despite what your eyes are telling you” from last April.
re: #286 by Runner
Pipe, cigar, someone trying to blow smoke up everyone’s ass…somehow it made sense.
re: #279 by Runner
Spaecejeezus did post last week and CJ and he bragged on it.
re: #277 by spacejesus
Obama could have done that response with three “I’s” you suck only two and small ones at that.
re: #285 by davehm
Excellent… use logic to confuse them with their lack of logic.
If you buy the muck-pond theory as producing all life in its various permeations (sp?), and think you are applying logic, reason, and science, then why aren’t you (that being those that do buy this cock-eyed theory) factoring statistics into the mix. Statistics are about numbers, and while it is possible to “cook the books” and fiddle with numbers, in statistics you can’t without being disproved easily by students of Statistics 101.
http://nodnc.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=291
I suspect the pinheads that buy into the “this whole cock-n-bull “theory” have cotton balls in their ears and bliders on their eyes because it is statistically impossible.
214. spacejesus on 19 October, 2009 at 12:53 pm re: #208 by orangecrush
there’s nothing wrong with being gay whatsoever.are you making a pass at me?
perhaps…..
265. spacejesus on 19 October, 2009 at 1:33 pm the obsession with gay sex and my SpaceJunk over here is really exciting. you guys wanna make out or something?
…..just don’t be a faggot about it
re: #298 by Scott Madsen
If you’re going to talk Brooklyn, the proper spelling is “fuggeddabout it.”
re: #266 by buzzsawmonkey
You are tremendously quick at getting your thoughts in order! I am panting like an old dog chasing after a ball.
Dishonesty was probably a feature of law even in the most primitive societies – as all societies have concepts of ownership.
Law -taboo -is common to all societies as is the fact that explanations and justifications for its coercive power referred to the supernatural.
The feudal law relating to, say land holding, was “authorized” by the divine nature of the feudal monarch.
Over time the supernatural authority has changed and diminished. The fact of the diversity of these authorities also diminishes the claims of any one of them.
Judaism is one of the great cultural innovations in its ideas enabling societal cohesion. Its myths are inspiring, revolutionary perhaps.
As for what the Torah says: as with davehm, I can only sigh. I do not believe any bible is the word of God, or that the world is the work of God.
Spacejunk
Here is the high finance equation you loons lost preventing your transition to human form.
Lost Opportunity =’s Obama
re: #299 by buzzsawmonkey
He’s talking San Fran.
re: #297 by Skippy Angel
They’re not pinheads, just a little misguided, You know the funny thing about a cell is that.
1) it’s not so simple
2) it’s made of millions of different components working together in harmony.
3) if you remove one of those components the cell ceases to function.
How does something like that happen at random?
Staying on topic, coincidentally not one blogger can recall ever having an intelligent conversation with selrahC.
re: #304 by vagabond trader
I have only seen him on TV once. It was an underwhelming experience, and afterwards, I didn’t beat on my chest as much when referencing LGF to others.
re: #285 by davehm
God finds a comfortable home at the frontiers of science. He is often placed at or near singularities or just prior to the Big Bang. I do not mind a bit. Though the moving trucks will have to be called when the frontier moves…
But is not “God” merely a conceptual place-holder for what science has not yet articulated?
re: #278 by Runner
You just type in (4 characters) < for < and > for >
/(Don't ask how I displayed the & above - I'm pretty sure that amount of recursion would result in a personal stack overflow).re: #305 by Scott Madsen
Just sad when a person does not accept they have exceeded their limitations,then proceed to blame everyone else.
re: #300 by Overlook
I’m not arguing with your beliefs, or your lack of other beliefs—and I don’t want to get too deeply into either a religion or a religion versus atheism discussion. Not now, anyway.
My initial point was merely that there is a divide between the rational aspect of human makeup, which is where scientific observation comes into its own, and the non- or irrational side of the human makeup. There is some comingling, I’ll agree; it’s not a bright-line distinction. But neither can (or should) be expunged from human behavior—and the vast bulk of human interaction is governed far more by principles set forth originally by the non-rational.
We have fallen into the habit of using “rational” as almost a synonym for “good,” and “irrational” (in improper preference to “non-rational”) as a synonym for “bad.” Such behavior is certainly a feature of the militant evangelical atheists who seek to expunge the non-rational from human endeavor, though this is both an impossible task and a destructive one if it were to unfortunately be realized.
That’s my entire point; not an attack on the (necessary) rational, nor on atheists and atheism per se—merely the reminder that the non-rational is not merely inescapable but necessary, and accordingly needs to be recognized, respected, and channeled, but not expunged or suppressed.
re: #282 by Skippy Angel
SA – Precisely – for me it isn’t the Birth Certificate per se; it’s the birth certificate taken in combination with an almost pathological need to hide any and all records. I mean, who DOES that?
And if he was magna cum laude from the law school, that should have gotten him the appointment to the law review; it didn’t – he was one of the people ELECTED.
re: #310 by Carolina Girl
“Elected, not selected!”
Heh.
re: #297 by Skippy Angel
There’s that old saying, but it’s true.
There are three kinds of lies….
…Lies
…Damned Lies
…Statistics.
re: #309 by buzzsawmonkey
No, but irrationality should be expunged in certain contexts. I don’t think it belongs in courtrooms, for example. In that case, and many others, irrationality is not only dysfunctional, but immoral. Similarly, the kind of emotional dimension that we saw in this previous presidential election is also immoral for the same reason.
re: #306 by Overlook
ok..very briefly because I’ve got to run out for a while, I’ll quote you.
“But is not “God” merely a conceptual place-holder for what science has not yet articulated?”
No God is real, He created the universe and all that’s in it. Gen 1:1
Science will never figure it out because in their prejudice towards God have long ago ruled out things which are unseen, thus limiting their field of study to only that which is seen.
re: #310 by Carolina Girl
Look if I graduated magna cum laude I would have that copied and on a tshirt for all to see.
I would be PROUD of that accomplishment as he should be also.
The biggest problem I have is with the lies.
Don’t say you are going to be transparent and then be obtuse.
Don’t say you will post all bills before voting on them…and then not do it.
Don’t say that healthcare negotiations will be on CSPAN and then hold closed door meetings with people.
Don’t say that everyone has a seat at the table and then demonize certain segments of society.
Don’t say that everything will be above board and then make secret deals with the drug companies.
Etc, etc.
91 Charles
Mon, Oct 19, 2009 2:06:46pm replyquote 0downupreport
By the way, to revisit the previous thread for a second, ‘astronmr20′ emailed me and said he was not the person who posted at the stalker blog, and apologized for misstating the evidence of the Catlin Arctic Survey. I’ve restored his account.
Now WHO would do that LOL
I had a friend when I was at Cal that lived and breathed the hard sciences. At lunch one day, she asked me if I believed in creation as opposed to evolution. I replied (and this was in the days before they proferred Intelligent Design) that I don’t see how they had to be mutually exclusive. That it was simply human arrogance to tell G-d how long a day was, and while I had periods of self-doubt, yes I did believe ultimately that a divine hand began creation.
Her response was to say “but what about the Big Bang theory?”
My response: Yeah, except we call it G_d saying “Let there be light.”
She didn’t really have an answer after that one.
re: #309 by buzzsawmonkey
I am sure semantic harmony can be arrived at! And perhaps that is all we can ask for.
Enjoyed it.
re: #313 by snork
I’m not arguing that irrationality/non-rationality doesn’t need to be controlled. Quite the contrary; it most certainly does.
My father, an eminently rational man in the physics lab, told me that as young and arrogant scientists he and his colleagues used think that “rationality would triumph over irrationality.” But as an older man with some perspective—and some experience in politics as well as in the lab—he said, “we were wrong” (something which, I may say, he very rarely admitted, or had need to admit).
Using a science metaphor, he likened human irrationality to a universal solvent–something which has the capacity to dissolve whatever it touches. The question with a universal solvent is—what is the vessel that can contain it so that it can be handled safely and harnessed? For, he said, if you permit irrationality to flow freely, all you get is…bad science, beliefs which conflate science with magic. He hated the hysterias over things like powerlines, or cellphones causing brain cancer, etc., which erupt as “scientific controversies” periodically. I am sure that, had he lived to see it, he would be equally disgusted by the current global warming hysteria.
In any event, he felt that the only vessel ever found in history that can contain human irrationality is…religion. It can control our irrational impulses and channel them for good, rather than let them run riot destructively. He did not claim, of course, that religion had a perfect track record in this regard—but he had experienced any number of spills and disasters in the lab, and regarded religion’s failures as akin to these.
In any event, I agree with him—both as to irrationality being an innate part of the human makeup, and as to it being controlled best, historically, by religion.
re: #317 by Carolina Girl
It is always interesting to note that our faith can tolerate and even explain their science while their science cannot tolerate our faith, it simply can’t disprove it. There is only one side of the arguement saying they have the one true word of,well, nothing, but it is the true word, nonetherless.
re: #314 by davehm
For when you come back…
All points of view can be reconciled with the right punctuation:
God “is” real, would suit me.
May we leave it there – for now?
re: #73 by pat
I wonder if Obama thought Occidental was too much like Punahou, as Punahou has a predominantly White and Asian (Chinese-American and Japanese-American) student body.
With regards to no one seeing him at Colombia, there were approximately 1200 students in “The Academy”, as they call High School at Punahou, and I had around 400 in my graduating class alone. I did not know Obama personally, but I remembered seeing him around campus my Senior year, when he was a Junior. I’m surprised no one recalled seeing him at Columbia.
re: #316 by typicalwhitey
You don’t want to know what else the poor schlub had to do to have his account restored.
Glad to see SpaceJesus dropping by in the thread – nothing drives up page views and total number of comments like a troll or two!
re: #324 by tqcincinnatus
lol, I actually enjoy troll sparring,helps release aggression.Alas,this one is not much of a challenge.
re: #319 by buzzsawmonkey
Great post! Thanks for that, I’ll never forget it, I’ll be telling that to my kids some day.
re: #319 by buzzsawmonkey
But then we have people like Stephen Weinberg…
re: #319 by buzzsawmonkey
Come to think of it, what he said is something I’ve been saying in a different way: that when you take religion away, most people will fill the void with something, usually a more destructive ideology. I think C.F. Lewis said something to along the lines that people who believe nothing will believe anything.
I’m not saying that all unbelievers are necessarily sociopaths, just that it increases the odds.
I don’t think it ridiculous to ask for MaO Bama to provide proof of his selective service registry in 1979. That should be a matter of public record but for some reason, MaO unlike the rest of us gets to have his record sealed. Since MaO and I are approximately the same age, I know for a fact that as an 18 year old, MaO would have been required like I was to provide proof of citizenship with a birth certificate.
I don’t advocate that MaO not an American citizen by birth. What I do believe is that MaO never registered for the draft – and that is a requirement to hold federal public office.
And I might push a whole lot harder for the request if it weren’t for, if it weren’t for, if it weren’t for…(say it ain’t so)
Jolting Joe Biden waiting in the wings, being that Joe is certainly in the Top Ten of biggest morons residing in Congress.
re: #323 by vagabond trader
He swallowed buckets of WHAT?!?!?!
re: #316 by typicalwhitey
I see his Correlator Tool has a glitch.
re: #328 by snork
Alexander Hamilton said: Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.
And that quote has been paraphrased and modified by many others since.
re: #321 by Overlook
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re: #174 by snork
Bingo. Render unto science what it science’s, render unto theology what is theology’s, and render unto philosophy what is philosophy’s. And be knowledgeable and humble enough to know the difference.
How very Gilsonian of you.
re: #334 by tqcincinnatus
I said before, that doesn’t preclude the possibility of science (and possibly philosophy) eventually squeezing theology out of the picture entirely. But it’s unscientific to do this by faith.
The paradigm of science requires that it be done by falsifiable proof. This means not only proof of evolution, but a proven falsifiable ToE, and a serious explanation for consciousness.
Of the three, evolution is the strongest link. I don’t know why everyone is arguing over that one, when there are much weaker links in the notion of science-as-religion.
Again, not saying that someday that science won’t eventually displace theology. We’re just not there yet, and those who insist that we are have another agenda entirely.
And also, “Inherit the Wind” and the Scopes trial aside, in the modern era MOST people of Christian faith don’t care whether people believe in evolution or not.
I look at it this way when dealing with my there is no God friends – if I’m right and you’re wrong, well then I get to give you a little “I told you so” when I catch you on the other side. If you’re right and I’m wrong, and all we do is take a dirt nap when we die, you don’t get to tell me anything.
So I look at it this way – I win; you lose. I’m liking the odds.
tqcinncinnatus: “I’m not really into the birther thing, but -”
If you want the Armed Forces to have that debate over who is, now, their Commander In Chief – then say so.
re: #336 by Carolina Girl
The Qur’an’s Hell is pretty graphic – more so than the New Testament’s. I’d rather risk the Christian Hell than end up in the Islamic Hell. If there’s even a chance the Muslims are right then Islam has to be the answer.
In short: the game is rigged when Blaise Pascal is dealing the cards.
This is just so stupid, WRONG COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY. Barry went to the Columbia University, Bogata. Ya knaw, the Real Columbia.
Sure is ya ‘don’t ask don’t tell’ pos.
Taliban sets the IEDs and the christers and joooos pray they don’t go off, however in you case….
errrrr – maybe Zero went to the same Columbia Univ for Agriculture that Blabberman attended.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
re: #73 by pat
” His statement also is a way of saying Occidental was too white/oriental for his tastes.”
Occidental was too oriental. Hmm… That’s an interesting paradox.
I graduated from a small, liberal arts, Catholic College, and then went to complete a Master’s Degree from a somewhat larger Division 2 school. If either of them had yearbooks, they were silent about it. I strongly suspect that my photo does not appear in any of their publications. There is, however, other documentation that I attended, and completed, degrees at these institutions.
I don’t get how someone could attend as high toned a place as Columbia, and there is no notice of his presence there.