Blogmocracy in Action
Guest Blogger: Moe Katz
We’re all no doubt aware of Obama’s bizarre and inexplicable CIA interrogation probe, which he’s refusing to stop despite an appeal from seven former CIA heads. Now, a similar story is unfolding in Britain, where the domestic intelligence agency MI5, roughly equivalent to the FBI, is facing lawsuits in civil courts as well as an investigation by the Metropolitan Police for collaborating with intelligence agencies in the U.S. and elsewhere that used abusive interrogation methods on suspects in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. MI5 Director General Jonathan Evans, while stating that his agency does not ‘condone torture,’ argues that intelligence obtained from other countries that may have used such methods of interrogation has saved countless British lives in the face of “many attacks.” In Evans’s words,
“We had seen nearly 3,000 people killed in the United States, 67 of them British. We were aware that 9/11 was not the summit of al-Qaeda’s ambitions. And there was a real possibility that similar attacks were being planned, possibly imminently.
“Our intelligence resources were not adequate to the situation we faced and the root of the terrorist problem was in parts of the world where the standards and practices of the local security apparatus were very far removed from our own.”
The dilemma MI5 faced was whether to work with those security services which had experience of dealing with al-Qaeda on their own territory, or risk cutting off a potentially vital source of information that could prevent attacks on the West.
“In my view we would have been derelict in our duty if we had not worked, circumspectly, with overseas liaisons who were in a position to provide intelligence that could safeguard this country from attack.”
Read the rest.
I have no use for spineless PC creatures who would put us in harms way, to protect the supposed rights of terrorists and combatants. Their arguments are specious and dangerous. The PC police should be disarmed before they cause any more damage.
It’s a sad day when intelligence agencies are be busier looking over their shoulder than fighting terrorism.
The “rest” link seems to be broky.
Beowulf probably should have just talked to Grendel’s mom without preconditions.
oddly, MI5 were ruthless against the catholics in northern ireland.
any lawsuits there in ulster…*crickets*
re: #2 by Moe Katz
This is right out of Alinsky’s book. Destroy society’s immune response by making them conform to some unheard of and unrealistic standard. and make it retroactive.
These guys are the political equivalent of AIDS.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6877401.ece
Here’s the “rest” link that seems to be faulty in the post above.
The people running things in great britain have a death wish. the enemy doesn’t fight fair. they are not pc. they are vigilent. they want to die for their cause and get virgins. they do not play by the PC western rules.
you must fight them with greater ruthlessness or you will lose.
I would rather see the soccer hooligans in charge of britain’s government. lead pipes and rubber hoses work quite effectively when swung by a man with a pair of bollocks
re: #6 by snork
Nice analogy, Snork.
re: #5 by coldwarrior
Catholics are evil and Muslism are good. Didn’t you get the memo?
It was wrong of teh Spanish to fight back against Islam and do the Reconquista!
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The Progressive mind.
re: #2 by Moe Katz
That’s what lead to 9/11.
I say put Ricky, Julian and Bubbles in charge of interrogations. Who says the Canadians can’t get a job done. Anyone who gets this reference, is updinged and is as messed up in the head as I am.
/Paging Doctor Moe.
re: #7 by Moe Katz
I’ll correct it~
re: #10 by Rodan
Hey, Rodan, can you fix the ‘read the rest’ link? It’s given in my post #7.
re: #9 by Moe Katz
Hey your next Guest post should be on the effects of Islamic Immigration to Canada. Specifically Toronto and Montreal. I think people here need to be aware that it’s not just Europe that is going through this.
^ Maybe not ~ Rodan has it in edit mode. He’s prolly fixing it.
The CIA should higher some a fantastic lawyers and psychiatrists to sue Oboma’s CIA interrogation probe for “mental torture” of CIA operatives.
re: #11 by Sparky
Okay, I had to Google it. Never heard of the Trailer Park Boys, but I lead kind of a sheltered life….
re: #10 by Rodan
true…and when mi5 was going after catholic terrorists, they were WW2 generation types, there were no whiny baby boomer aged 60’s lefties to whine and get all pc as their country is dis assembled.
these spineless progressive turds (60’s liberal/baby boomers) need to go.
re: #14 by Rodan
I’m working on something with a Canadian Islam angle. Not Little Mosque on the Prairie, either.
Interesting time to be reading Vincent Flynn’s books.
re: #17 by Moe Katz
It’s the funniest thing out of Canada I ever seen. What wonderful memories the intro to the series brings back.
No surprise here. Interpol is also working closely with the UN. Nothing good will come out of the dhimmification of the west.
re: #2 by Moe Katz
……and when hapless bureaucrats and politicians spend more time investigating the “good guys” than neutraliizing the “bad guys”. Clearly, they don’t know the difference and refuse to have it explained to them.
I’m just afraid that something terrible will have to happen again before people wake up. Maybe something worse than 9/11.
re: #24 by Moe Katz
I’m MAD something may happen before people wake up.
but I thought the greatest threat to western civilization were the tea baggers?
It is just wrong to put any pressure on those poor insane terrorists that want to blow up thousands of people. They have so many good reasons to hate us.
We need to spend our resources hunting down six year olds that might bring a cub scout tool to school.
re: #26 by Doppelganger
No, your right. But, after that, then…
//
The difference between this mass political correctness and the behavior of lemmings is that lemmings don’t really commit mass suicide.
http://whyfiles.org/129sci_fable/2.html
re: #25 by Sparky
Something already did!!! Sept 11 2001!
You know it just kills me sometimes to see how the nation will just go back to sleep with a foolish sense of security, thinking that that will never happen again. If these guys get nukes and sneak them into the country there is just know telling how bad things will be.
Our nation needs to wake up be vigilant and deal swiftly with our enemies.
re: #30 by davehm
islam will never stop being murdering terrorists.
therefore, islam must be eradicated first.
islam delenda est
http://whyfiles.org/129sci_fable/images/peep.wav
Hear a .WAV file of the actual sound that a lemming makes.
re: #30 by davehm
Yeah, I live close to the TJ border, and about once every 2 months we will get a morning news update that border patrol is checking every car coming across. That can only mean one thing with the shortage of manpower of border officers. They always tell us it’s something else, but they would, wouldn’t they.
re: #13 by Moe Katz
Fixed.
re: #19 by Moe Katz
Good because what is going on in Canda needs to be reported.
re: #25 by Sparky
You know, these are thetypes of discussions we once had in the other place. if that’s not indicative of the pathetic chance in attitude, I don’t know what is. Now those discussions are about “phantom racists” and the perils of the “right”.
He should take those 9/11 rememberances down from his site; he and his ilk have made made them a mockery. He and his ilk may well be the reason for something more horrific than 9/11 happening.
I think what our current administration is doing to our country is more damaging than what any terrorist attack could do. Note that I think an attack is OK, but we would rebuild survive it.
I don’t think we can fix what Oboma plans for us.
NOT that I think an attack woud be OK..
re: #36 by MacDuff
Yes, that the type of reference that should be made to that sight.
//Just remember though, we changed, they didn’t.
re: #31 by coldwarrior
No they won’t, it’s in the koran, there are two ways to deal with Islam,
#1 convert them
#2 contain them (how?) we have a constitutional right to practice (freely) religion in this nation BUT if any religion requires the death of those who don’t believe what they believe then those who practice it should not be allowed to immigrate to this nation.
re: #40 by davehm
islam is not a religion. it is a fascist-imperialist movement.
re: #35 by Rodan
Rodan, you are the bird dog here of Islamic coverage. Your posts and angles are becoming more fine tuned each week. The guest posts you are putting up inside of this subject only add to the depth. This is what will draw the crowds to the 2.0.
re: #33 by Sparky
I’m 40 minutes to the north, I remember in 2000 I was talking to a lefty when I lived in Solona Beach. I told her that anyone can come up from our southern flank and attack us (I was thinking Red China) I pointed out the failed foreign policy of the Clinton administration as a the reason, now with BO in office I can see the cycle repeating its self.
My favorite is bringing up the Geneva Convention. These Islamo Terror States are not even signatories to that agreement. We hold ourselves to that outdated agreement, while these animals behead our civilians on youtube videos. I say waterboarding has given us tremendous results, which have proven to be useful. Surf’s up!
The insanity of the left is ultimately going to destroy the public’s trust in the rule of law. Once that happens a complete breakdown of society will occur because the law will rightly be seen as the enemy.
Unintended consequences are what progs are known for. They never pay for their actions – we do.
re: #41 by coldwarrior
It does have that aspect to it. They build alters in the name of allah (the fake pagan moon god) and fly airplanes into buildings in the name of it. (I wonder where that fits in with the evolutionary theory?)
re: #41 by coldwarrior
“islam is not a religion. it is a fascist-imperialist movement.”
So, as such, how do we deal with the so called moderate Muslims that say they have separated the religious from the political. We know that is impossible, but it is the mantra of the left and many here and elsewhere. What course of action do you suggest, for action within the United States?
Let’s draw some lines here.
A person is allotted roughly 4004 weekends.
Enjoy your current one as best you can.
/public service announcement end bracket
re: #42 by Sparky
This site just keeps getting better and better.
anybody see the population graphs and birth rate analysis out there for western civilization?
I saw this video last year. It was chilling.
Westerners just aren’t having babies.
Japanese, Italians, Brits, French, Germans, etc.
But the invading hordes from Krapistan are!
after how many years will there be a minority of French people in France?
After how many years will there be a minority of British people in England?
etc.
it’s scary
re: #47 by Sparky
they lie. it is in the koran to lie to non-islams.
i would treat them exactly the same way that christians and jews are treated in saudi arabia.
re: #43 by davehm
Oh, I was speaking relativity, I’m in wine country, prolly very close by. My commute puts in SD proper daily. My favorite thing to point out to people is when Homeland Security was formed, we had a townhall with Darrel Issa and the former head of Homeland Securty, and he told us how important border security was. The very next day all inland checkpoints were shutdown to the routine inspections we have all come to know and enjoy. I think I have been stopped maybe 3 times in the last 3 years.
Moe Katz
You could start here:
http://vladtepesblog.com/?p=13569
Absolutely unbelievable.
Torture is too good for these fuggers.
http://www.aina.org/news/20091016174755.htm
re: #52 by Sparky
That’s the one on the 15 same with the 5. Our open boarder policy is going to burn us.
Don’t get me wrong, folks coming up to work is one thing and doesn’t bother me one bit but we could easily have people coming from training camps in Venezuela to do us harm.
re: #51 by coldwarrior
“i would treat them exactly the same way that christians and jews are treated in saudi arabia.”
Do you? Or are you personally insulated from them now? The change we seek is hard to affect, in the present circumstances. If you do have no contact with them now, then will you leave it to others. Just playing DA right now.
The Pope and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi were on the same stage in front of a huge crowd.
The Pope said, “Did you know that with just one little wave of MY hand I can make EVERY person in the crowd go crazy with joy? This joy will not be a momentary display like that of your subjects, but will go deep into their hearts, and they will forever speak of this day and rejoice.”
Pelosi seriously doubts this, and says, “One little wave of your hand, and all people will rejoice forever?? Show me”, she said.
..so the Pope slapped her.
re: #50 by Doppelganger
Yes, it is stunning:
http://tinyurl.com/yl8nqlk
re: #55 by davehm
Which is acknowledged by the Border Officers I know around here. It is just ignored by the MSM so it doesn’t exist as a problem. Just a drive by new clip, then off to condemn the real problem, Tea Baggers.
re: #56 by Sparky
i would direct yo to last night’s thread:
http://www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2009/10/16/if-the-taliban-win-there-goes-the-neighbourhood/
dont feel like retyping everything. and no i am not insulated.
re: #43 by davehm
Our Northern Flank is weak as well. With the Islamization of major Canadian cities, a real danger is growing.
re: #57 by Mars
funny!
re: #62 by coldwarrior
Had that copy and pasted into a doc. Can’t remember where I got it originally.
re: #54 by vagabond trader
Nehemiah 4:14 …”Do not be afraid of them. Remember the Lord great and awesome and fight for your brethren, your sons, your daughters, your wives and your houses”
re: #58 by yah
That is downright scary there.
re: #60 by coldwarrior
Fair Enough.
re: #65 by Sparky
Kinda like a slow suicide of western civilization.
re: #67 by yah
I had seen another version of these stats, but this one is much better. Nato is a goner.
Something I’ve been mulling over….I invite your comments on what I have to say.
I recently watched a TV miniseries about Oppenheimer and the Manhattan Project. In the period leading up to the project, i.e., the ‘red decade’ of the ’30s, a sizeable number of people in the country were leaning toward communism and/or socialism. The economy was in the tank–remember The Great Depression? Even Oppenheimer himself was active in many communist causes while never becoming an actual card carrying member of the Communist Party.
Then came the ’40s. We were attacked by Japan and America entered the war in Europe shortly after–Remember World War II?
While many never gave up their communist leanings the level of patriotism exhibited by most Americans during that war was extremely high. We were united as a nation to fight fascism all over the world.
We are in a similar position today as we were in the ’30s…the economy is bad and the numbers of leftists (Reds?) seem to be increasing by giant leaps. IF our country were to be attacked again TODAY, would we unite again as we did in 1941? I wonder. What do you think?
Good afternoon, y’all.
re: #66 by Sparky
okiedokie!
{goddess}
re: #69 by coloratura
we would rally, defeat the enemy, and get back to staring at our navels.
re: #41 by coldwarrior
Islam takes advantage of our western understanding of “religion” as something separate from the secular and the profane of every-day ife. It’s a coat we wear on holy days, or a rotarian club with robes and songs.
In Islam ere is no separation. Islam is life. Islam is the state. That makes it a political ideology more than a religion. It’s all-encompassing in a way that not even the mediaeval roman catholic church was.
re: #73 by coldwarrior
I like your optimism. That’s what I would like to think would happen. I’m growing more pessimistic by the hour.
The left won’t make the same mistake twice, I feel. They will blame America right off the bat for the perceived slights against the true aggressors, that caused them to act this way. The right will carry on the battle with both fronts then: Inside and Out.
re: #73 by coldwarrior
Sad but true.
When asked of the typical American “What’s worse, ignorance or apathy?”
The typical American responds “I don’t know, I don’t care”
re: #69 by coloratura
All but the hopelessly left, and the rest of us can ignore them.
re: #69 by coloratura
No, I don’t think so. There are too many people either working for or living off the govertnment gravy train for too long. They are not going to give it up, but will want even more. Prior to WWII, most Americans pretty much carried their own weight, or at least aspired too. Now the majority Amercans aspire to have someone else carry them.
re: #74 by archonix
bingo!
my brit friend is ’spot on’
see, i’m multi cultural, i can use brit slang!
re: #75 by coloratura
i am optimistic. we will survive and thrive.
re: #69 by coloratura
Depends on who our leaders are.This potus has not exactly been quick on his feet when it comes to defending America.
re: #80 by coldwarrior
Spiffing!
re: #58 by yah
Mark Steyn wrote extensively on this subject in his book ‘America Alone’. He went on to show that China’s men will turn to Muslim women to marry due to their low female population. Quite a combination.
re: #84 by Kali
But will the Muslim men allow that?
re: #85 by davehm
or if the chinese ‘fix’ their muzzie problem first
re: #86 by coldwarrior
They don’t mess around, commies are pretty harsh when it comes to dealing with dissent.
re: #85 by davehm
Didn’t consider that. Quite an obstacle to them coupling.
re: #87 by davehm
i’m not even sure exactly what the chinese govt is now…mercantilist/statist???
dunno
re: #69 by coloratura
It would have to be another unprecedented type of ‘attack’ or something that will cause the world to spiral out of control. There’s a few places off the top of my head that can cause that right now. India/Pakistan, Russia/Ex-Satellite states, Middle East/Various States, Africa(via mass broadening and centralization of powers). Anything else we’re looking at small scale conflicts to regional/localized stuff, or we’re looking 30+ yrs down the road.
While I do look that far down the road, I just don’t see anything in the future. We really don’t have the same WWI mobilization policies that caused WWI. What however can cause wars between first-power nations is the rise of private armies(on the rise), fighting proxy wars for client states in other nations.
re: #89 by coldwarrior
Still commie but I think once the old school die off they may go democracy.
re: #91 by davehm
yeah…it’ll be interesting to see what evolves after the old guard die off. most of their economists were trained here, so maybe capitalist with a smattering statism for control?
should be fun
re: #69 by coloratura
We’ve seen the answer. The left is no friend to civilization.
We will be bloodied again, and the left will make great and voluble demonstrations, but before a change in the season they will turn all their sound and fury against our own inheiritance.
That fury they will turn again as now against those possessing the nerve to stand in the face of the mortal storm and array for its banishment.
They are so weak in their spirits that they can only sustain their hatred for that very civilization which bore them, fed them and nurtured them. They are such fools as to believe that the barbarian murders out of anger, and as they fear the villain, they abhor to anger him.
The upholder of the light, who would never offer them harm is the only foe they dare face.
They truly fear the threat, moreso perhaps than we can ponder. So blind in fear are they that to them the greater evil is to resist evil.
re: #90 by Mashiki
Thanks to all who responded to my question.
We were attacked on 9-11 and patriotism ran high for a while but now, several years later, I see a disturbing trend away from recognizing who our enemies really are.
I totally support our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan (and all over the world) as I believe they are patriots of the highest order. Most of the civilians I know personally feel the same. My pessimism is based on how little of this same patriotism I see in our leaders when I read and/or watch the news.
I think it’s time to turn off the TV. Maybe that will help bring back my optimism.
re: #85 by davehm
Muslim men are on a “love jihad” to marry Sikh, Hindu and Christian women. Deprive the Dar el Harb of offspring, increase the numbers of Dar el Islam.
See Stephen Brown article on frontpagemagazine.com.
re: #94 by coloratura
The problem is a lot of people don’t see this as a war. Or a fight, or anything else. In all traditional senses when you get attacked by someone it’s easy to point and go ‘bomb it into the dirt.’ With terrorism wars, and wars by proxy, it becomes much more difficult because you’re dealing with groups of 1-1000 people in near to far locations funded by another government or through various sources. The only solid way to fight a war like this is to solidly prove that the “money came from there,” then you can go in and go “poof” to that country. Even then you’ve still got people who complain.
This becomes a war on various fronts, monetary. Doctrine, social, metaphysical. Again the problem is many don’t realize those either. I don’t disagree with your above post, you were. Canada has been(see the Air India bombing), so on and so forth. It’s just that much harder to keep the attention of an idiot, a poet, and a fool to the task at hand.
I stopped watching the news for the most part about 8 years ago. I only watch it in spurts. Most what I get I read, if there’s something that spikes my interest I glean, fill, pour over it, and refine it until I know what I need to know.
There is a mindset among Progressives in the West that bringing any pressure upon those who “misinterpret” Islam is just freaking beastly.
It seems they would prefer more innocent deaths rather than hurt the feelings of captured terrorists.
Our own Chuckie Johnson was aghast when he discovered that interrogators told KSM at Gitmo that he better cough up intell, because they knew where his children lived.
CJ called it despicable to terrorise the chidren.
Idiot, it was a hollow threat that worked & the kids knew nothing about it.
My first attemp at embedding…
Zero and Ahmadinijad duet…
“Dont go breaking my balls”
well…that apparently did not work…so here is link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd7nPTnoXLs&feature=player_embedded
re: #89 by coldwarrior
That would be statist fascist authoritarianism with a healthy dose of corruption and warlordism massaged into the mix.
A bit like a corrupt violent Singapore … and that’s only the advanced bits. The western regions and future rust belt denizens will revert to old time warlordism. We can see the genisis alredy in how Regional governments don’t listen to the diktats of the Central Government anymore.
China has only for relatively short periods been ‘united’. Eventually the sheer size and different social and cultural drivers rend the Chinese state apart.
Expect China circa 2100 to be four states of varying wealth and political maturity. From the westernized and quasi democratic authoritarian freemarket-ism with a dash of fascism (Singapore in steroids) to 1920s style warlord thugocracies in the North and Centre, to Mao type dirt poor neo- marxist and Maoists collectives.
re: #97 by RIX
I know that it’s hard to fathom how the progressives can actually verbalise the massive contradictions between what they profess as their philosophy and how they act in the real world without their heads exploding.
It’s called empty, evil, Nihilism writ large. It’s really that simple!
That’s what happens when ignorant ego and Narcissism seek to ‘kill’ God and place mankind and all of his works at the centre of their universe.
Quite pathetic really. Like a slow motion suicide of the spirit.
I even feel sorry for the leftards sometimes but not for long as i also see how their evil threatens me and mine.