“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.” – Declaration of Independence.
Slavery in the United States is one of our darker moments, one that the Honest and Prudent American has to balance between whitewashing and demonizing. In recent decades, the desire has been to appeal to the international stage (some might consider it a co-dependence on the warm fuzzy feelings of dictators towards us) and have done so by hiding certain aspects of slavery in the United States so as to make it an institution beheld to white males and Christians and Southerners.
What follows is the history of slavery in the United States, along with the general condition of society at the time.
It is important to note, prior to the introduction of slavery in the United States, there was a longstanding condition of Indentured Servitude. The majority of people who came to the Colonies came via this method. They exchanged a set number of years of service in exchange for passage to “The New World” and decent funds to start out their life once the period of servitude was complete.
Now, some resources, unfortunately many that propose to be “African American” Resources on Slavery, add indentured servants in the same group as slaves, in order to show that The New World was built on the backs of black slaves. If this were true, there were many asian, hispanic and white “slaves.”
This indentured service continued, and continues to this day, on and off. It allowed the early settlers the ability to afford a new life across the sea and allowed for those who paid for their travel to have the labor they required.
Slavery has been going on since time immemorial. In the United States, it started with one man. Anthony Johnson. Anthony Johnson was one of the first 20 people brought to Jamestown in 1619. 4 years later, he had served his term of indentured servitude and had been given his payment for services. A decade or so later, he had moved to Virginia, and a few years later, by 1651, had over 250 acres to his name.
While on a trip to Africa, Johnson engaged in an activity legal in Africa: He was sold a slave. This was not a new event, as slavery was not taboo in Africa (In fact, it was a primary source of income) and a man named John Casor was sold to Anthony Johnson as a slave, property, not indentured servant.
Johnson brought Casor to America and all was fine for many years. Casor, one day, believing that he was no longer a slave, tried to sue, suggesting that he had been there for longer than indentured servitude allowed. The issue was, there was no contract of indenture. The courts, then, ruled that though Casor had been owned longer than any indentured servant normally would, he was to be returned to Johnson. The courts believed that, though slavery was not recognized in the Colonies, it wasn’t the role of the (then British) Government to insert itself via the courts.
This was not a legalization of slavery in what would later become the United States, but it opened the door for the slave trade to begin.
Moral of the story: Don’t always blame White People.
or
Great Evils can come from the Courts under the guise of Justice.
Anthony Johnson was one of the first 20 people brought to Jonestown in 1619.
Jamestown, not “Jonestown.”
re: #1 by buzzsawmonkey
you know, I wrote jamestown. My word processor wanted to correct it and I didn’t look closely enough, I thought it changed it to Jamestown.
Thanks for the catch.
stupid eyes of mine.
FYI, I have a post scheduled for in 2 hours.
re: #3 by Rodan
and the subject of the post is?
I find it incredibly ironic that those who moan the loudest when someone such as Rush says, in candor, that the Southern economy was based on the utilization of slave labor prior to the Civil War are the same individuals who want amnesty for illegals so that they can institutionalize a permanent lower class of uneducated, cheap labor, but now they call it “doing the jobs Americans won’t do.”
Thank you Lance : )
Well hey there, buzzsawmonkey! I’m very very happy to see you here!
re: #5 by Carolina Girl
Give Americans enough time unemployed once their unemployment benefits run out…..
They’ll find many jobs they’re suddenly willing to do.
re: #4 by apachegunner
No I had it up before but M posted at the same time. Then I rescheduled it and then Lance posted. I rescheduled it again. I’m just giving the Admins a heads up, so I don’t have to reschedule again.
Ironically Lance’s post will compliment what I have ready to go!
re: #6 by NoThreat2U
No worries. Some corrections from my wrong mental state, specifically the parts about the courts. Was LONG before our constitution, that’s why I couldn’t remember which Amendment they were referring to when they allowed the slave: They weren’t referring to ANY of the Amendments. heh.
I saved the text. Interesting stuff here.
“Great Evils can come from the Courts under the guise of Justice.”
What guise is this? Courts of Law have nothing to do with justice – they only produce just outcomes when the law itself is just.
For instance, man goes to jail for a year for kidnapping his own child. This is not just.
Take another instance: put a million men in jail for self-medicating. Just? Hell no!
There will never be justice in courts of law until the law honors freedom above all else. Taking away a parent’s child, or locking someone up when they have done nothing wrong, or enforcing slavery, are all just degrees of the same tyranny. As long as our government is willing to do this to anyone, none of us are free.
re: #8 by LanceKates
Of course. This was in many ways a bull argument to begin with – yes, these ARE jobs Americans won’t due – for $3.00 an hour.
Pay them $11.00 an hour, and they’ll do them just fine.
re: #8 by LanceKates
Ain’t that the truth.
So a Court ruling opened the door for slavery. Very Interesting, I never knew this.
By the way, two good books for a look at history that isn’t based on Political Correctness:
Politically Incorrect Guide to American History
Politically Incorrect Guide to the South (and why it will rise again)
Both have good sections on slavery. Most resources on slavery are pushed from the idea that whites are the slave owners and the blacks were the slaves. In truth, owners came in all races, as did the slaves. Most of the African Slave Market was black, as that’s the skin color primarily found in Africa at the time.
Also interesting to note, Slavery was supposedly ended with the Civil War (though anti-slavery groups were gaining ground in the slave-states until the Civil War broke out), Lincoln really didn’t have much of a plan for the slaves, and said once or twice that he’d prefer they just be shipped back to Africa and that they definately shouldn’t vote.
You don’t hear that much in the school plays about Lincoln.
re: #15 by LanceKates
I actually read he supported the Liberia option for Blacks.
BTW, may I point out that while slavery existed in the British-ruled colonies for 157 years, it existed in the United States for only 89 years–and that importation of slaves was constitutionally banned from, IIRC, 1804.
Why is this important? Well, for one thing, it means that ships like the Amistad which were carrying slaves in the period after importation was banned were not carrying them for sale in the United States. It also meant that, because importation was banned, there was an incentive for slaveowners to treat their slaves at least well enough so that they did not die off. That may seem a small thing–and perhaps it is. But while Brazil managed to end slavery without a civil war, it did so ten years after slavery was abolished in the United States–and importation continued in Brazil up to the eve of abolition because Brazilian slavery was so brutal that the slaves died off before they could reproduce at replacement level.
No brief for slavery here, of course–not at all. But it is well to remember that among the nations which did permit slavery into the more or less modern era (i.e., past the beginning of the Industrial Revolution), the US is by no means unique, and certainly not uniquely evil.
re: #14 by Rodan
well, opened it up in the Colonies (which became the US)
Slavery probably dates back to the first time we figured out that manual labor sucks.
tfk internet idea ,, free of charge
on lgf’s .0001
current rant aginst Foxnew thread
#54 Charles,
to all lgf’ers’ find any bad post on Hot Air Comments of the Day Thread, and link them here or post them here.
So, if any of you want to say something to Charles and the current loon gang of anti at
lgf’s .00001, post some shit on Hot Air Comments of the Day thread and he will link to it via his “blog stalker gang.”"”
free of charge mean ass idea…..
re: #17 by buzzsawmonkey
It was actually the Spanish/Italians/Portuguese who brought the first Black slaves to the Americas. As the Indian Populations in parts of Latin America, they were replaced by African Slaves. In fact Portugal controlled many of the African Coastal ports through which Slaves came from.
What is not mentioned of course is that it was Arab Muslims who began the concept of African slavery.
re: #15 by LanceKates
Jefferson also wanted them all shipped back to Africa – which a lot were – against their will. That’s why Liberia is still called America’s stepchild.
re: #17 by buzzsawmonkey
The first government in human history to outlaw slavery, AFAIK, was Vermont.
It seems like illegals are being treated like the slaves were. They are here and now want amnesty. The only difference is THIS time, they came on their own. Not by ship. So do the libs think that granting amnesty is like freeing the slaves?
Are LGFers coming in here pretending to complain about LGF so that selrahC can feel important?
re: #18 by LanceKates
Yes, I was referring to how it began in what would become the united States. It is fascinating that Court Ruling opened the door to slavery in America. It turns on its head the Progressive myth that the Courts should have power.
re: #17 by buzzsawmonkey
Yup, though it is important to note that, even while slavery was illegal in the United States, New York City still made a killing on the slave trade, eventually transitioning into the outfitting for such journeys.
re: #26 by LanceKates
Hey, ship chandlery doesn’t care where it goes or what use it’s put to.
re: #25 by Rodan
I used to work with lawyers quite a bit at previous jobs, and quickly developed the opinion that the job of a lawyer is to bend truth to suit their current short-sighted will.
That is something you need to eternally keep power away from.
re: #18 by LanceKates
re: #17 by buzzsawmonkey
re: #23 by NoThreat2U
Did any of you know that the only successful Slave Revolt in Human History was the Haitian Revolt against France?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0323/p15s01-bogn.html
So, what you gonna do Charles, stop your own stalking, “blogger heal thy self”.
re: #27 by buzzsawmonkey
True, but apparently the Northern opinion of the immorality of slavery ended when it reached their pocketbooks.
While railing against slavery in the South, NYC was still where the slaves coming into the United States entered the country.
If slavery was that evil in the minds of the North, that harbor would have been shut down rather quickly.
re: #29 by Rodan
Did you know that Barney The Dinosaur went to France?
Within a few minutes, they had surrendered to him.
Charles,
Is your delete button getting a bit worn?
Unfortunately, it’s difficult to have a discussion regarding the economics or history of slavery without the usual finger pointing from some quarters and murmers of “moral authority.” When you get into the subject of “reparations,” the waters really get murky.
I’m in favor of paying reparations, serious money, to anyone who can prove to me that they had once been kept as a slave.
What I am not willing to do, is give money to people who have done nothing to improve their lot in life, but wallow in victim mentality because 150 years ago, they were badly treated. There’s a statute of limitations on everything, and I’m sorry, but reparations for slavery has tolled.
re: #32 by LanceKates
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah it’s ironic the Haitians defeated one of Napoleon’s top generals and Bother in law: Charles Leclerc,
re: #29 by Rodan
Did any of you know that the only successful Slave Revolt in Human History was the Haitian Revolt against France?
Well, if you consider “successful” to mean “institution of a murderous dictatorship by a mad emperor,” yes.
Lance – I work for them now.
That pretty much sums it up.
MSNBC guest: For Limbaugh, owning an NFL team would be like owning a plantation:
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/13/msnbc-guest-for-limbaugh-owning-an-nfl-team-would-be-like-owning-a-plantation/
It seemed appropriate for this thread. I’m getting rather annoyed with the black bigotry I’m seeing here.
re: #37 by Carolina Girl
lawyers? There are a couple that seem right and proper, but the idea that Truth (big T) and Fact (Big F) somehow are trumped by whatever their current client wants.
re: #38 by vapig
here as in Blogmocracy or here as in msnbc?
re: #34 by Carolina Girl
Bunk on that! We’ve been paying reparations for over 40 years now! 40 years and trillions of dollars they are still whining about slavery! Screw that!
re: #34 by Carolina Girl
ahhhh reparations will come soon from this administration. nobama has said that they are due the black people of this nation, clyburn has a bill on the floor waiting to be passed. how much will it cost us i wonder but it fits perfectly well with the redistribution of wealth doesn’t it.
So…another blog is asking its readers to find mean things being written about them so they can be linked or posted at the blog, so they can….LOOK for things to bother them?
re: #36 by buzzsawmonkey
Yup Haiti went to hell after they kicked the French. Dictators like Jean-Jacques Dessalines and Jean Pierre Boyer.
re: #38 by vapig
I’m getting rather annoyed with the black bigotry I’m seeing here.
I’m not asking you to call anyone out except me. If I have posted something you consider “bigoted,” I’d like to know what and why.
re: #39 by LanceKates
Definition of Jury: “Twelve people who get together and decide who has the cuter lawyer.”
re: #38 by vapig
Who made bigoted comments here?
re: #46 by Carolina Girl
since lawyer cuteness matters, I imagine you’ve never lost a case?
*evil grin*
re: #44 by Rodan
Yup Haiti went to hell after they kicked the French. Dictators like Jean-Jacques Dessalines and Jean Pierre Boyer.
I’m not familiar with them; I was thinking of Henri Christophe, who reportedly built his Sans Souci palace, and his fortress of La Ferriere by shooting every tenth man when the men hauling the stones complained that they were too heavy, and who would demonstrate the blind loyalty of his troops to visitors by marching them off La Ferriere’s parapets.
re: #48 by LanceKates
{Doing her best Erin Brockovich}
“Oh, I hate lawyers, I just work for them.”
But you are too sweet. I was accepted to Yale Law but figured I just had too much of my brain devoted to smart ass to be successful at it.
re: #49 by buzzsawmonkey
Yeah he was another Tyrant, I forgot to list him.
re: #50 by Carolina Girl
Heh. Is that how it is?
Ok, off I go.
Shopping! (for food, the only kind of shopping, apart from Home Depot, that is acceptable for males to do)
re: #45 by buzzsawmonkey
Who said I was talking to you? Did you view the link?
re: #47 by Rodan
That’s twice. Apparantly I wasn’t being clear. I’m talking about Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al (please check the link to this supposed journalist calling Limbaugh a racist and likening him to a plantation owner if he buys this team).
In short, I am speaking of all the talking heads that are so authoritative of quotes this man never made.
40. LanceKates on 14 October, 2009 at 12:44 pm reply re: #38 by vapig
here as in Blogmocracy or here as in msnbc?
I must be worn out today. In reviewing my sentence I can see how it could be viewed to be accusitory of this blog. My apologies.
I was refering to all the TV and radio coverage I’ve been seeing and hearing over the last several days. This woman was mild compared to some of the things I’ve heard said about this man.
re: #55 by vapig
It looked like from your post that you meant “here” as in “here in Blogmocracy.” A syntax thing.
ya
lgf .000001
re-posting Hot Air comments
odd this IMO
enough already
back to the real world
http://www.blowoutcongress.com
re: #43 by Carolina Girl
Hell, they’ve got to do something to keep the ten or twelve of them occupied…
(Traffic ain’t what it used to be. I do hope Charles hasn’t been charging his advertisers based on traffic from six months ago, because that would be…hmmm, what would that be? Oh, yes, fraud. That’s the word!)
I always found it offensive when people say that illegals do the work that Americans will not do. Back in 1993 when I was laid off I went to all the department stores and applied for all sorts of jobs – stock broom boy, sales clerk, etc. There is no nobility in poverty.
re: #54 by vapig
I misunderstood you to be referring to comments being made here. My apologies.
I’ve watched the link. The notion that anyone is a “plantation owner” for purchasing a property (i.e., a team) is itself outrageous; the notion that someone should not be permitted to purchase a team, if they wish to and the sellers are willing, because some fatmouth thinks that the purchaser holds “incorrect” opinions or attitudes is absurd.
re: #57 by Russkilitlover
Yes.
re: #56 by vapig
I was a little worried that I was being misinterpreted myself – thank you, vapig, for the clarification.
I know what you mean though. The real downside to the written word in blogs and emails is that your inflection doesn’t come through. I’ve gotten many a return email from someone who asked me what I meant and then I re-read the original message and said “oh fudge. I didn’t mean it like that.”
re: #43 by Carolina Girl
That is total insanity. You know what? I think it is a good idea to limit our talking about those losers to the designated threads. I mean they are the ones who have not moved on and I htink they thirve on people talking abut them.
re: #57 by Russkilitlover
Yes – two separate sentences – two distinct thoughts, yet run together gave an incorrect impression. Again, my apologies.
re: #55 by vapig
Yes, this race card thing has become more than just tiring, it is dispiriting.
re: #61 by buzzsawmonkey
I find this whole mob mentality when it comes to Rush Limbaugh appalling. I really believe there is complete malice behind these reports, and I don’t believe the media is going to be able to hide behind Sullivan v. New York Times with this one.
This time, they are interfering in a prospective business relationship, and they are doing so by broadcasting information from a suspect source to do it. One of the conservative lawyers in our office stopped by my desk this a.m. and said “the media thinks they can hide behind the “free speech” and “Sullivan” rules. Unfortunately, that’s not to going to apply if Rush sues them for tortious interference with contract and prospective business advantage.”
Oooopsie…..
61. buzzsawmonkey on 14 October, 2009 at 1:01 pm reply
No – I apologize. And I think I was a bit short with you, also. If anything I should thank you for pointing it out.
As to this bru-ha-ha, I find it odd that there are rap artists out there, who have some really incindiary racial things that are part owners of other sports franchizes. I don’t recall any racial uproar over that!
re: #20 by Rodan
The nationalistic element in the discussion of slavery is partly what is wrong with the it. Americans feel national guilt. They assuage it by pointing out that other nations or peoples did it, do it, started it. There is also national pride – not as much as guilt – in having put a stop to it.
If one can accept that all peoples everywhere have enslaved at some point in history, what is significant is why certain individuals found it abhorrent and could persuade governments to prohibit it. What was it that enlightened them? From what source in their culture and intellectual context did their ideas come?
Do we thank the Judaic culture for ending human sacrifice? Was it Christianity that inspired abolition of slavery?
The loop is complete, space jesus and charles meet and agree.
post #29 on the Hot Air thread.
done
somebody is claiming on a blog that shall not be mentioned that this is a slavery revisionism thread. I do not see any evidence of it.
Good afternoon, y’all!
re: #70 by taxfreekiller
Spacejesus is Charles’ perfect commenter these days. And apparently the remaining commenters are just fine with that. I remember when dude had over -1000 karma. I wonder if Charles wiped all that out while he was erasing other parts of LGF history?
re: #60 by Speranza
Same here. Earlier this year I was laid off and took whatever work I could get.
re: #63 by Carolina Girl
Yep – plus I’m at work, the phone rang and I hit submit before re-reading what I’d wrote.
OT
Just reading some Catholic commentary on Revelations 7, and Dan is not mentioned among the tribes with 12,000 in Heaven, possibly because of a belief about Dan, which apparently goes back to Jacob’s final words for his sons in Genesis 49.
Reuben, Simeon and Levi didn’t exactly get rave reviews from their father, but they did make it into Revelations, Chapter 7.
Now, not asking Torah savvy Jewish folks to try to interpret Christian scripture, but is there commentary on Genesis 49 available?
Slavery revisionism? And here I thought Lance started this thread just for little ol me : ) We DID have a small discussion about this the other night. That’s what people get for spouting off at the mouth without knowing a person’s intent. Dumbasses.
re: #74 by vapig
If my company were to God forbid lay me off I would immediately go over to the H.R. department and ask for a job in the mail room at what ever the going rate for salary was.
re: #64 by Speranza</
I think they are discovering their place is boring.
re: #71 by Speranza
somebody is claiming on a blog that shall not be mentioned that this is a slavery revisionism thread. I do not see any evidence of it.
In the “post-racial” era in which we now find ourselves, we are cowards–according to the current Attorney General–if we do not flagellate ourselves constantly according to the latest dictates of the most blatant race hustlers.
Suggesting that the United States was not uniquely evil in its slavery history is “revisionism,” and therefore grounds for flagellation.
re: #66 by snowcrash
Actually, what they really don’t want is what is happening to me and others like me. We are starting to not care.
There was a time when being called aracist was about the worst thing that could happen to someone. But since they’ve sooooooo overused the term people simply don’t care anymore.
I’ve actually heard people (while speaking about politics) say, “Ok, FINE! I’m a racist! Who CARES! Now about these damned policies…….!”
re: #71 by Speranza
Fug them,their entire so called blog is an insult to anyone with cerebral function.Hello leftards hows the weather in Bedlam?You seekrit threaders could give us some pointers on mind slavery.
Sorry, I had to.
LanceKates:
I have to admit I’m disappointed in reine.de.tout. I guess that’s what I get for thinking…
did i miss a tech bulletin? i just tried to post and it just disappeared. are comments now on a delay vis a vis moderated?
re: #84 by jakee308
Okay that went through. Is is that I used html?
A draft of a United Nations Human Rights Council resolution, published on the council’s Web site on Wednesday evening, slammed Israel, while failing to mention Hamas, or Palestinian terror organizations.
ttp://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1255450652859&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
But isn’t the USA and the Nobel Peace Prize winner on the Human Rights Council now? Gee I’m confused then? NOT
re: #85 by jakee308
No, html works ok.
HEY WHAT HAPPENED TO MY COMMENT??
IT WAS A FINELY CRAFTED JAPE AT LANCEKATES AND A GREETING TO BUZZSAWMONKEY.
I don’t have the patience to wonder if what I’m saying is going to disappear into the fiber optics. Anybody know what’s up or why?
I refuse to carry any original sin. I will atone for my own, thank you very much.
I hope that it is noticed that it was the United States who led the way in stopping slavery coming west from Africa..
It should also be noted that black slaves were being sold in Egypt and Morrocco up until ww-1.
re: #87 by jakee308
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y
re: #86 by Nevergiveup
The Nobel prize was awarded to Obama precisely in order to give him the backbone to stand up to Israel.
re: #87 by jakee308
Bang the rocks togther a bit harder..that is what I do.
Hey lurkers, you agreeing with the race baiting hustlers Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? Jackson who actually did call Zionism poisonous to Judaism and that he was sick of hearing about the Holocaust. Don’t even get me started on Sharpton who incited a riot at Freddys Fashion Mart resulting in the horrible death of seven innocent employees. How about his Jew hate activities in Crown Heights. Google them lurkers, break those chains.
re: #83 by Iron Fist
reine.de.tout has been a liberal all year.
re: #90 by Overlook
The Nobel prize was awarded to Obama precisely in order to give him the backbone to stand up to Israel.
When did the Nobel Peace Prize become the Israel Evisceration Medal?
re: #90 by Overlook
Backbone..imported from the Netherlands??
I think it still might be an upgrade…sorta
re: #88 by quiet man
Chattel slavery is still practiced by Arabs.
re: #72 by goddessoftheclassroom
Good afternoon, GOTC! {hugs!} I hope you had a great day, today!
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/10/024706.php
KEEP MICHELLE BACHMANN IN CONGRESS!
(and it will make heads explode over in Southern California too!0
re: #96 by Overlook
Only the lucky ones…
re: #80 by buzzsawmonkey
“In the “post-racial” era in which we now find ourselves, we are cowards–according to the current Attorney General–if we do not flagellate ourselves constantly according to the latest dictates of the most blatant race hustlers.”
They can flaggellate themselves or masturbate all they want (Killgore?) – my forbears did not own any slaves!
re: #94 by buzzsawmonkey
When they gave it Yasser
re: #98 by Speranza
Love her! More backbone than all the old boys party put together.
re: #79 by Kali
“I think they are discovering their place is boring.”
Their place is incredibly boring and their Dear leader is the laughing stock of the blogosphere.
re: #102 by vagabond trader
signs of intelligent life in Minnesota. A certain blogger seems to have a really bad hard on for her.
re: #94 by buzzsawmonkey
“With a Nobel Peace Prize laureate at its helm, the US government can show that it applies international law equally around the world, whether it affects friend of foe. A failure to push the recommendations of the Goldstone report will undermine the Obama administration’s ability to press for justice in places such as Kenya, the Congo and Darfur.” Antonio Cassese, today’s Financial Times.
Exactly the thinking the Nobel Committee hoped for.
re: #88 by quiet man
A major cuase of the Sudan Wars (1881 – 1898) was the salve trafficking by Sudanese Arabs.
re: #78 by Speranza
Not long ago I received a letter telling me my contractor had lost the bid for my current position. I thought – groan! Not again! But when I asked my boss about it he told me not to worry about it – my contractor will change, but I stay in my position. YAY!
100. Speranza I reject any one suggesting I am responsible for any slavery just because I am mostly white.
This is the usual liberal trick, don’t allow them the idea that todays whites are the ones who represent the dead slave holders. We are not the people who did it. No one here supports a return to slavery, that is the accepted norm.
re: #104 by Speranza
“He who fights with girls” is all you need to remember.
re: #103 by Speranza
That’s what I don’t get. The left still hates him and now the right hates him. We hate him here and there are more old lizards here than left in the swamp. But the brainwashed handful left over there think we are all wrong and they are the only one’s sane? Me thinketh they should take stock and maybe a drink or 2.
re: #97 by vapig
{vapig}! It’s been good! I have to be a rehearsal in about an hour, so I’m taking care of some business chores.
re: #107 by vapig
Hold onto your job for dear life!
OT, sorry
I find it outrageous that the NFL could bar the sale of the Shitty St Louis Rams to Rush Limbaugh when they actively welcome back a man like Michael Vick. Not just an animal abuser, but a person who tortured hundreds if not thousands of animals.
The NFL who welcomes criminals like Pacman Jones, drug addicts like Dexter Manley.
Murderers like Ray lews.
all welcome but they attack Rush for WORDS ( most of which he never said)
guess they wish that old hooker Georgia was still alive and running the rams
re: #87 by jakee308
Sometimes when you hit reply it refreshes the page, with a delay so you might be in the middle of typing a comment when it does so. Keep an eye on the progress bar and if it starts loading something unexpected hit stop or quickly copy what you have written.
I sent you guys a pic of Charles sans ponytail. lol
106. Speranza I know very little of that history…Sudan Wars
the ZULU wars?
re: #103 by Speranza
Thing is, I don’t think it even phases him. I get the sense he believes he’s building a bigger and better blog. Quizzical.
re: #87 by jakee308
Dingos. Ya gotta watch out for the dingos…
re: #110 by Nevergiveup
at the blog that shall not be mentioned (until the right thread is up) there are maybe 5 or 6 current posters who are maybe worth reading – the rest seem as if they were conscripted from The Daily Kos. Promiscuously hurling around the charge of “racism” 9as they are doing) is a sure sign that
1. you’re a loser
2. you cannot make an argument based on intellect and irrefutable facts
3. that you’re losing control
re: #117 by Kali
Galloping delusional thought disorder.
re: #117 by Kali
A messianic complex?
110. Nevergiveup
I think I have an answer for you..
ever hear of the qoman who put antifreeze in her husbands coffee, a little at a time to poison him…((an ice cold heart, for sure)
I think he probably got used to the taste of wifeys coffee…in fact he probably thought no one makes it like her…
re: #20 by Rodan
haha, sure. slavery didn’t exist until islam.
re: #119 by Speranza
Also that you don’t mind or want character assassination of people who merely agrue with you and are okay with diminishing the negative reaction to real racism in the process.
re: #119 by Speranza
When the right time comes (later), list the worthwhile posters and praise them. It will make mischief and maybe entice them here.
re: #93 by Speranza
I guess that just slipped past me. She seemed nice enough…
(If it seems like I consider Leftists evil, it is because objective Leftism is evil. Not merely mistaken, but evil. I can demonstrate that in so many, many ways. We could start with the Welfare State and the damage that it does to the recipient)
123. spacejesus a simplistic read of that post.
But then you knew that, right?
Aww look what just landed in its broken down eggshell flying saucer.Does Daddy know you’re out on a day pass?
re: #122 by quiet man
You know my wife?
re: #105 by Overlook
I think the technical term for that quote is “utter crap.”
128. vagabond trader Boredom takes the hardest toll.
and what else is there left in droves at the liberal stalker site??
re: #112 by Speranza
I’m a fed contractor. All I can do is my best. The rest is out of my hands. Thankfully (in this case) my employer is happy with me and has decided I stay. It just means whoever wins the bid gets me as a new employee.
//Boss just told me to go home! Yippee! See ya later!
re: #123 by spacejesus
Not the spacejesus, surely?
re: #127 by quiet man
haha, yeah, show me where it says arab muslims were the first to enslave africans.
re: #126 by Iron Fist
Pssh, what are you looking at consequences for? They feel good about their own intentions, so how can it be bad?
(See also http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MGRmZmFlMDNjYjFkNDZhMzQ1NWUxOTU0OGQxNjJlZDI= this article on Irving Kristol making the arguement better than I)
re: #116 by quiet man
The Zulu Wars waere in South Africa (1879). The Sudan Wars involved the Mahdi, The Khalifa Abdullahi, General Charles “Chinese” Gordon, Lord Kitchener and even a young Winston Churchill. There was a whole cast of colprful characters. Did you ever see the movies “The Four Feathers” (1938 version), and “Khartoum”. I might do a guest thread one day about eh Sudan wars. The Mahdi was a forerunner of Khomeini in many ways – Mohammed Ahmed thought the was the Expected done to lead the conversion of the rest of the world to Islam. He laid siege to Khartoum defended by a Christian mystic General Charles “Chinese Gordon” and Khartoum fell in Jan. 1885 and Gordon was killed however the Mahdi died a few months later due to his sensual excesses. His successor the Khalifa Abdullahi was finally defeated at the battle of Omdurman (Sep. 2, 1898) when the British (see the movie The Four Feathers) annihilated the Dervish Army (who charged machine guns waving swords).
re: #131 by quiet man
Didn’t you mean “troll?”
re: #129 by Nevergiveup
Lets k=just say I bet her coffee isnt as strong as my wife makes it.
nobody makes it like she does…
/laughcoughcough
PIMF – “The Expected One” no The Expected done
re: #130 by buzzsawmonkey
I agree. Plenty of it in the Financial Times. It has a good crossword though.
re: #123 by spacejesus
You know what’s fascinating? Back when I was Elsewhere, even breathing the name of this site was grounds for banning unless one was of the Favored Few. Posting here? Big fat instant stick-whack ban, 21 in prison doin’ life without parole.
Yet you seem to flit twixt hither and yon with nary a scratch on your scaly hide.
Odd, indeed.
136. Speranza
I love all the versions of “The Four Feathers”, and I have seen “Khartoum”. As for The Mahdi ..what a way to go!
Rush Limbaugh is expected to be dropped from a group bidding to buy the St. Louis Rams, according to three NFL sources.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4559454
And all the Owners in the NFL have fleece as white as snow? Like Bob Irsay who snuck out of Baltimore in the dead of night with his tail between his legs?
re: #141 by buzzsawmonkey
Appears that some have safe conducts issued by he who fights with girls. This is not the first visitation.Agent provocateurs in the mold of kilgore trout. Pitiful actually.
re: #142 by quiet man
The 1938 version was by far the best. The 2003 version sucked.
re: #134 by spacejesus
Punk I have something to show you.
I don’t give a shit about football–there, I said it–but I think it interesting that a dog-torturer like Michael Vick is considered to be kosher while a would-be team owner who merely has a big mouth is considered to be beyond the pale.
re: #123 by spacejesus
Careful, according to your boss’s ever changing and arbitrary Caligula-like rules, you could get banned. But then again, he may have sent you, in which case you’re just a troll sent by a stalker. My, how the world turns.
re: #141 by buzzsawmonkey
There is tacit approval to go to other sites for the purpose of defending LGF, mockery, trolling, quote mining, and occasional “moby”-sim, but any thing else, like chatting non-politically with old friends is what is grounds for dismissal without express written prior permission.
Also known as the Trout exemption.
re: #105 by Overlook
In other words, wreck the American economy in the name of GoreBull Warmism, give Israel to the ravening Mohammedan hoard, prosecute American soldiers for failing to be properly defferential to their Mohammedan betters, allow African Arabs to continue to enslave and slaughter African Christians and animists, and press for better relations between the cannibals and their natural prey in the Congo with the goal of getting the prey to accept their lot as a necessary component of the food chain.
Does that about sum it up?++++++++++++
re: #144 by vagabond trader
The thing is, they are welcome here ( well kinda of ) but of course we the banned are censored in the land of scumbag hippies.
re: #147 by buzzsawmonkey
Gee he doesn’t look Jewish?
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re: #141 by buzzsawmonkey
i am charles’s sock puppet of course
re: #153 by spacejesus
i am charles’s sock puppet of course
The vaporings of Gramscian ho-siery do not interest me.
‘Now we have proof’ jihadis infiltrating D.C.
Congress seizes on explosive new book based on daring undercover CAIR probe
In the wake of the sensational ACORN video sting operation by two young investigators, an even more daring and devastating undercover investigation – this one infiltrating the nation’s most aggressive Muslim “civil rights” organization for six months – has produced stunning revelations about the supposedly “moderate” group, backed up by 12,000 pages of documents obtained during the secret op.
As revealed in a new book detailing the operation and its findings, the Washington, D.C.-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, is not the beneficent Muslim civil-rights group it claims to be. Indisputable evidence now shows CAIR and other “mainstream” Islamic groups are acting as fronts for a well-funded conspiracy of the Muslim Brotherhood – the parent of al-Qaida and Hamas – to infiltrate and destroy the American system.
Until now, CAIR has remained a powerful force in the nation’s capital and across the country, from demanding the Obama administration stop FBI counter-terrorism tactics to compelling a school district to apologize to Muslims.
That influence, many believe, may be coming to an end, as a result of the undercover investigation – which included the son of a veteran counter-terrorism investigator, who grew a beard and converted to Islam, as well as two veiled female interns.
“Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That’s Conspiring to Islamize America,” a WND Books publication by counter-terrorism investigator P. David Gaubatz and “Infiltration” author Paul Sperry, documents CAIR’s ultimate purpose to transform the United States into an Islamic nation under the authority of the Quran.
Read the rest here:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=112751#
re: #123 by spacejesus
Are you trying to read this thread as Islamophobic? Will this curry favour for you? Or perhaps you need some excitement? Thrilling, to be subversive, yet loyal at the same time. Some people just need the adrenalin.
re: #149 by Nikis Knight
No danger of that,spacejesus has no online friends, not even at the leftist stalker blog.
He’s trying to win the heart of sharmuta the arab ho.
re: #153 by spacejesus
That is interesting. So, tell me, how does it feel to have Charles’ hand up your ass?
re: #151 by Nevergiveup
Doc, welcome is far too collegial a term for me but of course you’re welcome to welcome.This one is a shit pot stirrer,guaranteed.
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Not only that, Malkin has posted several times about open white supremacist Peter Brimelow, calling him a “friend.”
I hate to point this out to her–it may come as a shock–but Malkin isn’t white, and I believe Mr. Malkin is Jewish. What the hell is she hanging out with these people for?
And SFZionist–you ain’t jewish either so stop trying to speak for us.
Ignore it guys. It will wither and die from lack of attention.
re: #136 by Speranza
“sensual excesses”? Similar to Catherine the Great’s sensual excesses? I knew the Mohammedans like to walk on the wild side from time to time, but this sounds extra special…
re: #147 by buzzsawmonkey
Isn’t that rich? Not only did he kill the poor beasts, but in the most heinous ways, indicative of a deeply disturbed sociopath.
I don’t care if it’s popcorn or Cheez-its
That I munch while I watch spacejesus
Tell us all what big douches we are
Perhaps his comments would be finer
If they went beyond crude one-liners
Fragmentary ranting never leaves a scar.
Drive by introductory comment on way back to work.
Hmmm, deja vu. /Seems like I know some of you from somewhere./
Oh well, we’ll find out when I get back later.
re: #156 by Overlook
no, just fun between class.
all the batshit nuts conservatives have been banned from lgf, where else am i to go for entertainment? breitbart? ronpaul.com? here?
Oh here is another lovely comment from the swamp:
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Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:59:09pm
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re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist
I hate to point this out to her–it may come as a shock–but Malkin isn’t white, and I believe Mr. Malkin is Jewish. What the hell is she hanging out with these people for?
(I don’t approve of white people hanging out with white supremacists either, but at least there is only evil and dumbness, not total cognitive dissonance, involved there.)
No idea, but I believe the proper term for them would be “kapo”.
KAPO? You ignorant asshole
re: #165 by buzzsawmonkey
He don’t have space in his name for nuthin
re: #155 by newsjunkie_ky
Hmm, interesting. A book to keep an eye out for.
re: #150 by Iron Fist
That would be walking the walk, yes.
re: #168 by Nevergiveup
I suspect there was another K*word Yooper wanted to utter.
re: #167 by spacejesus
you’re proof of computers in insane asylums.
re: #167 by spacejesus
In other words you;re bored with the cult? Tsk tsk what will dear blogtator/he who fights with girls say? Don’t forget to DONATE when you get back. Betcha it was you clicking the paypal button for 2 cents wasn’t it?
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Was that mine deleted again?
Hey Ben, that’s a hint. Guess we’ll be seeing you soon.
spacejesus: Get back to class sonny boy, and finish your brainwashing at your daddy’s expense. Or better yet, go find a poisonous reptile to bother.
198 MandyManners
Wed, Oct 14, 2009 1:58:53pm replyquote 0downupreport
re: #190 Killgore Trout
Maybe. I don’t know the difference.
Once slander is published, it becomes libel.
Thats right Mandy. That’s why your ponytail boy might be in trouble with his labels of Pamela
Yeah we have copies.
re: #165 by buzzsawmonkey
there once was a poster named buzzsaw
who made posts as boring as coleslaw
he flounced to the max, then got banned with the axe,
now he’s over here having withdraw
re: #167 by spacejesus
Class? You should demand your money back, that education thing isn’t really working for you.
Space freak be happy I don’t have a hammer. I guarnatee I would bash your ass in a ny second.
Both literal and otherwise.
re: #177 by Grimcargo
You know, if Rush is going to procede with a lawsuit maybe we ought to help him.Because one good deed deserves another and all.
Enjoy my upcoming thread. I turn the race card back at the Progressives.
Yuck. This thread is slimy.
re: #178 by spacejesus
I’m about to expose the racism of you Progressives. Get a napkin angry you Nazi/KKK Anti-Catholic scumbag.
I’m putting up the thread now.
re: #183 by Bumr50
It is a wee bit fragrant in here now that you mention it.
re: #177 by Grimcargo
He could be in trouble with Rush Limbaugh as well. Major trouble there, although LGF is probably too small a potato for Limbaugh to care about.
re: #177 by Grimcargo
I really think RS McCain has him if he wants to persue it. He still has to prove damages, but the “white supremacist” charge is poisonous. I think a good lawyer could proove damages in lost potential revenue due to a damaged reputation. That is certainly what Charles intends his smears to do. And proving actual malice on Charles’ part is so easy I could convince a jury of it and I’m not a lawyer.
re: #186 by 88Cid
Oh I don’t know. IR got us shut down for nothing.Hmmm.
Space hay zeus, does Charles know you visit “stalker sites” and call yourself his sock puppet? He no likey stuff like that. lol
I wonder if Space Jesus has noticed that he is not being deleted or blocked.
The fear of disagreement is thick over at the swamp & CJ no longer tolerates diversion from the voices in his head.
re: #181 by vagabond trader
yeah I did help him this morning. maybe I missed some of the posts but I sent him all I could find on the clown’s site. most especially what the clown said.
re: #184 by Rodan
OH NO ANYTHING BUT THAT
*hisses then slinks back into the shadows*
Jakee308
not sure why, but your comment was autoflagged as spam.
I unflagged it so it should be back.
re: #188 by Iron Fist
yes i think so. Also,you cannot call someone a drunk either unless you can prove it. that’s what he called pamela and I don’t really believe he could prove that. Someone needs to tear his arse a new one and get him back to reality.
re: #189 by snowcrash
Oh, I’m sure Charles is OK with spacemonkey posting over here. It would be a different thing if he were a poster who’d been around for years and contributed to LGF and the LGF community and went and posted a blog where they will delet the mildest of criticisms of Charles and LGF. Someone like that he’ll bring the ban-hammer down on in a heartbeat for disloyalty real or imagined. Hell, the imagined disloyalty is worse that the real. Look how Little Old Lady was treated.
re: #193 by spacejesus
hisses huh? You a draq queen to little man?
re: #193 by spacejesus
Run away you Catholic bigot Progressive scum.
re: #196 by Iron Fist
they don’t even like him.
re: #178 by spacejesus
re: #165 by buzzsawmonkey
there once was a poster named buzzsaw
who made posts as boring as coleslaw
he flounced to the max, then got banned with the axe,
now he’s over here having withdraw
Interestingly, it was I–yes, I–who introduced and, indeed, popularized the term “flounce” over at some site I no longer recall. The term was introduced to refer to the long departure screeds which some people felt compelled to post.
King Yertle of the Turtle Stack perverted the term by referring to “flounce” whenever he felt the need to whack someone with his coup stick. Not the same thing.
And I, when I chose to take leave rather than brook the drivel I was subjected to, did not “flounce.” I was blocked at Mad King Yertle’s whim, merely for replying to a creep in her own coin. That I elected to then comment elsewhere is no concern of Mad King Yertle’s.
re: #188 by Iron Fist
RS McCain does not actually have to prove financial damage. He can assert a claim on “Punitive” damages since that remedy is to deter & reform the offender.
A court could easily find Chares conduct egregious, but what does he have to give up, Sharmuta?
re: #188 by Iron Fist
Nah, you can’t do anything in court if you aren’t a lawyer. They look after their own, and if you haven’t been initiated, you can’t play the game.
But yeah, LGF is malicious.
re: #201 by RIX
he has a clown car
Oh what a tease is
Spacejesus
And Oh how he pleases
Spacejesus
re: #200 by buzzsawmonkey
Buzz I have not had a chance to recognise your excellence in your dust up with Weasel.
That was a quality smack down. “Bitch & pig” Yeah baby!
I posted there as opnion. Welcome.
re: #202 by Nikis Knight
I don’t think they would represent themselves.
re: #197 by Grimcargo
please, threaten me with physical violence again.
re: #203 by Grimcargo
Yeah & a red wig , slap shoes & a rubber nose.
re: #207 by spacejesus
ok how would you like it?
re: #207 by spacejesus
Hey, Chuck just banned you for being here. Try to log on!
You missed a few spots, LanceKates:
First, you’ll want to cite the court case: Johnson vs Parker, 1654.
Anthony Johnson first appears in the local record as “Antonio a negro”. I looked this up in “Myne owne ground”: race and freedom on Virginia’s Eastern Shore, 1640-1676 by T. H. Breen and Stephen Innes; which you can find on Google Books (page 8).
My guess is that Antonio was born in the Spanish Caribbean. At 1621 he was sold to the ship James. Since all of this was VERY new in the Tidewater, there wasn’t yet a legal distinction between an indenture picked up in Ireland and a slave picked up in Puerto Rico.
This informality, and the small size of the colony, and the need for everyone to hang together against hostile Indian tribes: all this encouraged masters of slaves to behave like masters of indentures. Since the latter set their people loose after they were done, the former felt the need to do it too.
Another point (which to its credit “Myne owne ground” does note) is that in the 1620s, the English wanted to see some profit in Virginia. What they don’t mention is that Barbados was founded in 1627. That place was a veritable gold mine… and it became a slave island quickly enough. The first black code in Barbados would appear very soon after Johnson vs Parker (that is, 1661). So by the mid 1600s, the English were probably thinking this whole slavery thing might work well in Virginia too. It was probably trickling into the local courts.
256 Walter L. Newton
Wed, Oct 14, 2009 2:20:39pm replyquote 1downupreport
re: #240 Honorary Yooper
LOL!
I don’t understand what all this is about. I swear, it sound like little six graders passing tacky little notes around to each other in class. What makes grown adults have nay desire to troll crazy blogs, read nasty comments and then pass them on back here.
And on top of that, LEAVING comments over there, acting just like them.
I’m not going to ask if this is really necessary, I not going to ask if this is really fun, but I do want to know if this is in any way intelligent adult behavior?
He’s talking about you Spacey
I don’t even know the history of this creature. I stopped reading the comments over there in depth around the election.
But damn, what a sniveling little shit it has made of itself out to be so quickly here.
Charlie has a thread going now on Hot Air & the one prior on Jerome Corsi, all “bad crazy”
CJ has that on good authority, the voices in his head.
re: #199 by Grimcargo
Come to think of it, he was one of the “characters” there, wasn’t he? Like Cato the Elder or the bloke who had long flourishes to end his posts.
Eccentricity is good – if there is no malice. And eccentrics should not stay rooted to one place.
Spacejesus should come and be unpopular here. Our contumely is as good as anyone’s.
re: #212 by Grimcargo
He talks about nasty comments over here.Walter slap yerself in the head and wake up ya big dope!
re: #76 by Ed Mahmoud
You’re looking for apocalyptic Jewish commentary on Genesis 49, written around 100 BC-100 AD? You’re in luck…
There’s a whole subliterature on that topic. One might start with the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs; but no-one’s quite sure if that is post-Revelations or not. There are known predecessors to that though: most importantly, the “Aramaic Levi” autobiography in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is probably Hasmonean, which means “from the time of Hanukkah” and “before Herod”.
Tooling around the ‘Web on the Testaments and surrounding literature (you should also consider Jubilees): they will tell you all you’ll need to know about Second Temple apocalyptic exegesis of Genesis 49.
What I don’t know is if any of this apocalypticism entered the Midrash on Genesis 49. (Keywords for you: Genesis Rabba, Midrash Tanhuma… but unfortunately I could never find these online.)
(Some disclosure: I helped write the Wiki page for “Testaments” and Aramaic Levi, mostly based on the work of James Kugel.)
re: #209 by Grimcargo
ooooo, I didn’t know you were into S&M
Isn’t spacejesus from lgf 1.0?
Isn’t it amazing that it can come post here and not be banned for its droppings, yet none of us are allowed to LOOK AT 1.0, since Charles put up a redirect (well, it doesn’t work, but he’s egotistical enough to think the redirect works)
….
think about that for a moment. we’re the closed-minded bigoted stalker blog, and yet it is 1.0 that bans everyone who disagrees with Charles….
think about that, spacejesus, before you try to cause problems here for the sake of 1.0.
OT/ re: #43 by Carolina Girl
If that’s the case, that is really weird, because if people said those same things on the LGF blog itself, they’d be banned for it.
Flashback: MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow Touted False Limbaugh Quote in June
Newspaper Edges Back from Anti-Limbaugh ‘Slavery’ Smear; Sports Writer Says He’s Right Even if Quote Is Wrong
MSNBC guest: For Limbaugh, owning an NFL team would be like owning a plantation
Re, the “slavery revisionism”.
I’m not seeing excuses for slavery in the main post.
I’m seeing an attempt to restore balance to the discussion. I agree with that. I’m also seeing anti-Lincoln sentiment in the subsequent comments. I can’t agree with that.
The Politically Incorrect Guide series, I have a general problem with. (It’s what turned me against Robert Spencer.)
The PIG series is Conservative propaganda. It lays out cases for several Conservative ideas.
That’s not necessarily bad. It’s a truism that one can do propaganda for righteous causes, and that it can be true. Capra’s “Why We Fight” series is propaganda. It may as well be history.
Seen that way, some of the PIG’s cases are better than others. Spencer’s guide to “Islam and the Crusades” was one of the better ones. Kantor’s guide to Western literature was the best.
But I’m not into all the Conservative ideas; and insofar as the PIG series is a set, it’s associated with stuff that I must oppose. Wells’ book on “Darwinism and Intelligent Design”, Bethell’s on “Science”, and Hutchinson’s on the Bible (blurbed by Spencer) are all rubbish.
Rolling back to the PIGs on slavery and American history, the propaganda on display here falls more into the “leave us Conservatives alone” field, and that’s what LanceKates seems to be doing here. The PIGs here are telling the truth; that slavery didn’t start out because of racism. It started out because of greed and because of bad decisions by courts. The racism came later, to justify what was being done; and was imported from, interestingly, the Arabs.
The two PIGs LanceKates cites do less well with Lincoln. For a start Lincoln is documented as becoming personally more well-disposed to blacks’ rights over the 1860s. As a rule if it cites DiLorenzo with a straight face, it’s propaganda.
re: #222 by Zimriel
I don’t see why the PIG series must be evaluated as a whole, if they have different authors. I think they are intended as “the other side of the story” and thus only half the story. But the only one I’ve read was the one on Islam; I can’t really evaluate it objectively based on prior knowledge, but it was well argued and cited direct sources.
And I don’t think they are all conservative, so much as anti-liberal, which is the dominate social media paradigm. Conservatism is smaller in scope, imo, and doesn’t really have anything to do with Islam, for instance, except insofar as it deals with the need to face uncomfortable truths and the right of self-defense.
re: #223 by Nikis Knight
I think that Buchanan is right insofar as the core of Conservatism, in its American form, is Christian. I’d expand the Conservative tent a little further to include rooted communities of Conservative and Orthodox Jews. Also, Mormons; and rural African Americans. The common denominator is “blood and soil”.
Conservative communities need not co-operate with one another; for instance, black Conservatives overwhelmingly vote Democrat. (Not all, but most. And then you go talk to one and get amazed as to how much she agrees with you… while still voting Democrat.)
Conservatives of any party and race, in this country, should all agree that Islam is foreign and different. If a Conservative were to convert to Islam, that would be a change away from the familiar. A Conservative would object to Islam on that alone, like he’d object to Baha’i.
Additionally Islam isn’t “just another” lovey-dovey religion with a few odd personalities and rules. It’s a violent ideology of conquest and subjugation. (Excepting those Sufi who interpret the Qur’an away to irrelevance.) Conservatives object to getting killed and enslaved too.
re: #224 by Zimriel
One again with the “The problem with Conservatives is that they’re christian” bit?
broken record, playing the same thing over and over.
Buchanan is not a conservative, that’s where your comparison breaks down.
He believes in pushing a religious agenda through government which is not a conservative ideal.
stop with the anti-christian bigotry as an excuse for why you can’t ‘be conservative’ (as you’ve stated before)
black Conservatives overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
And RINO Republicans vote overwhelmingly for pork.
Calling yourself a “conservative” means nothing. Being one….that’s the thing. Being one.
You’re analogies are weak. period.
PS – morning all. i feel like i may have the swine flu.
(but I don’t.)