As a person who has family that served in the US Military, this disgusts me. Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is now saying that the US should do actions to please the Muslims. His critique is that America needs to do better actions to win over the Hearts and Minds of Islamic people.
WASHINGTON – The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has written a searing critique of government efforts at “strategic communication” with the Muslim world, saying that no amount of public relations will establish credibility if American behavior overseas is perceived as arrogant, uncaring or insulting.
The critique by the chairman, Adm. Mike Mullen, comes as the United States is widely believed to be losing ground in the war of ideas against extremist Islamist ideology. The issue is particularly relevant as the Obama administration orders fresh efforts to counter militant propaganda, part of its broader strategy to defeat the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
“To put it simply, we need to worry a lot less about how to communicate our actions and much more about what our actions communicate,” Admiral Mullen wrote in the critique, an essay to be published Friday by Joint Force Quarterly, an official military journal.
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Did we try to win the communication war with the Nazis or Imperial Japanese? The answer is no, we won the war with these 2 nations militarily. This is an example of the Transnational Progressive disease now infiltrating our Military. We need to develop methods to defeat the Islamo-Fascists militarily. They don’t care what we think of them, we should not care what they think of us. We need to make them FEAR us!
To the Blogmocracy Military Veterans, I would love your take on this. My opinion, we need to be focus on defeating and crushing them, not them liking us.
Tags: Adm. Mike Mullen, Islamo-Fascism
Won’t work. Didn’t work when we sided with islam over communism. It didn’t work when we sided with islam over islam (iraq/kuwait) and it didn’t work when we sided with islam over Christians in Bosnia.
Islam motto – what have you done for me lately?
Oh – yeah! Foist!
re: #1 by vapig
Exactly, we should never help or side with Muzzies.
The only thing the Koran-thumping muzzie imperialists understand and respect is getting the living shit kicked out of them.
Anything else we do is perceived as weakness, and rightly so.
re: #3 by Foghorn Leghorn
Exactly, they needs to be defeated and humiliated.
re: #4 by Rodan
Where’s that Champion guy, my day ain’t been complete unless I’ve been called a racist by someone who hates whiteys.
re: #4 by Rodan
Exterminated is more like it…
/want to get under IR’s thin skin LOL
re: #6 by savage
On your Sicilian side and on my Spaniard side, they had alot of experience doing that!
With all due respect Adm. Mike Mullen winning the hearts and minds was used in Vietnam, it did not work.
What did work was having them by the balls, then their hearts and minds soon followed.
re: #7 by Rodan
indeed
re: #8 by Beltfed
Yup like we did in WW2.
No posters with pictures of Obama!
It’s in the constitution….now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIKPKjl0-pg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Fprotester-with-obama-joker-placard-denied-free-speech-at-town-hall%2F&feature=player_embedded#t=96
re: #11 by Skippy
That motherfucker needs to be forced to turn his gun and badge in NOW!
Fire that fascist POS.
re: #12 by savage
Ditto. He’s obviously an Obama worshipper who doesn’t like folks who poke fun at his G-d.
Now, if the officer had taken the same actions against a Code Pinko who was holding a similar sign but with President Bush on it, the commies at the ACLU would already be on the case.
Unbelievable!
Protester: This is America, isn’t it?
Officer: It ain’t no more!
Unbelievable. They aren’t even trying to hide it anymore.
re: #14 by Skippy
What’s it called now, 0bamaland.
I cant say I think the Germans and the Japanese are a fair comparison..and lets face it, when it comes to pointing the tanks and guns against the “Islamofacists” for a firefight…Exactly where would that be??
Al qaida and Iran in Iraq, the Taliban in Afganistan..Where we are fighting..the government of Iran, which we need to be damaging badly.
I also believe in a hearts and minds approach, yet coupled with a strong effort to punish those who cross us. We will not need to fight the people of Iran, like we didn’t have to fight the people of Iraq or Afganistan.
The only “peoples” who we need to either change their mind or scare into living in peace are those in Pakistan, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia..these countries governments are already at peace with the US.
So what can be a true win militarily in this modern world with the accepted norm is not to kill innocents?? I personally like that norm and want it to continue.
Maybe Talk softly, carry a big stick in one hand, and bag of Big Macs and bluejeans in the other
There is a segment of America that, through no fault of their own in many cases, feel that having Obama in office is going to make things tangibly better for them based on their skin color or perceived social status, or both.
When it inevitably doesn’t happen for them because the standard of living in this country is economically bound to decline due to reckless spending, they will eventually grow impatient with Obama.
Let’s hope that happens sooner rather than later.
re: #17 by Bumr50
They are already scared and it is taking little effort from the left to make those sheep feel panicked and ready to follow the Obama goat
re: #17 by Bumr50
Obama will start a class war. His rhetoric is a constant, “blame the wealthy (to include anybody who has a job),” meme has already got them whipped up. It won’t take much more to send them looting for their just rewards!
re: #16 by quiet man
There was a thread a few days back on whether the war in Afghanistan was worth it or not given the high rate of casualties and lack of definition. When I left it was pretty much up in the air to no.
Without a definitive end result, fighting is futile. The enemy is unidentifiable in many cases. And now with our primary intelligence gathering agency in chaos, how are we to know where the enemy lay?
If we are to continue, we need a better commander in chief, a new strategy, and TOTAL commitment.
Anything less is insulting to our men and women in uniform.
re: #11 by Skippy
I would have forced the officer to arrest me, then a nice lawsuit against both the city and the officer would [be] filed.
re: #21 by bar
Probably would have been his/her (I can’t see this video) best move. They would have had to at least settle and then this would have defined by departmental proceedures. As it is – this guy (cop?) can do as he pleases.
re: #16 by quiet man
Precisely correct.
Admiral Mullen is not taking a “PC” approach to the war, folks. I think you’ve seriously misread what he’s saying:
That is exactly the problem we face in Afghanistan. The Taliban aren’t hiding in caves anymore, but they’re also not operating out of a building with a big neon sign on it that says “Taliban, Inc.”
If you want the people in a village to tell you who the bad guys are, blowing up their houses and shooting their family members isn’t a very productive way to obtain information. And sorry, the idea that we can intimidate them into cooperating is bullshit.
They know we’re only going to be there for a relatively short time, and as soon as we leave, they expect the bad guys to return and kill them if they’re seen cooperating with us.
I hate these assholes as much as anyone else does, but I have to tell you, you guys are way off-base on this one.
For those who don’t know my background, I’m a USAR sergeant major, and my unit’s entire mission revolves around training units that are deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan. I’ve spent more time in the New Mexico desert over the last 5 years than I have at home.
re: #18 by quiet man
re: #23 by lobo91
I will disagree with you 2. We need to put fear into the hearts of Muslims. Their societies only respect strenght. Islam has never been defeated thorugh hearts in minds. They only understand power.
I’m glad you 2 disagree with my post, I like dissent and please speak freely!
O.T. Over at 1.0 they are now slamming the “extremist retoric” of Senator James Inhofe. This is his “inflammatory” statement regarding massive spending and the growth of government:
Cannot for the life of me see what is “extreme” or “radical” about that statement. Cj and his ass lickers are taking him to task though.
Wars are not won by ‘doing actions to please’ the enemy.
Especially jihadists who would use any concessions to further their blood thirsty desire to deliver the world to allah.
Think how demoralizing this leftist shit must be to our troops on the ground doing the dangerous heavy lifting. Putting their lives on the line. Facing these savages.
It seems even the military isn’t safe from the commie libs who are out to wreck this country.
Yuh, the hearts and minds approach worked out so well in ‘Nam.//
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security —
This is the kind of shit that will get you thrown off of LGF. And really can you blame them?
re: #28 by mike
Wait till my next post. That one will send chills down everyone on here’s spine!
re: #25 by tunnelrat
It’s simple – they’re not comfortable living in a country that has a Second Amendment.
They realize that the people who are angry are expressly NOT ignorant and therefore controllable, they simply believe that the country has a greater responsibility to protect the individual rather than the collective, a feeling they don’t share. And the great majority of these people are armed and are not willing to let the government seize control of their lives in any way.
They’re scared to death of us.
re: #22 by vapig
Thats right you cant see the you tube stuff.
Taken at a Town Hall meeting in VA. Jim Moran’s (D-VA)
The video is 1:36 long showing what appears to be a black police officer demanding this protestors sign be removed. The sign in question shows a picture of Obama with the joker makeup on pointing like the “we want you” uncle sam posters from WW2. And some text about socialist healthcare.
So at a political event, this government worker (cop) stops a citizen from exercising their first amendment rights.
The cop threatens to arrest the protestor for trespassing or as the officer states “anything he wants to” if the sign goes back up.
I still think the gentleman has a good case for civil rights violation.
But him getting arrested would have made him much richer.
re: #25 by tunnelrat
Anytime we wont just rollover and take it, is extremist stuff to those folks.
re: #28 by mike
Somebody named “Gatorbait” just posted that at 1.0 and WAS banned. You perhaps?
Hey,
Words of wisdom from the Socrates of our Time!
She has revealed her Transnational Colors.
re: #33 by tunnelrat
It’s the fucking Declaration of Independence for God’s sake. WTF?
re: #25 by tunnelrat
I think they are misconstruing “revolution” in this context. We are already in the midst of a revolution – a quiet one. It is a cultural revolution and “We the People” have finally woken up to that fact and are currently and actively fighting back. That is what these Tea Parties and Town Halls are all about. Writing and calling their congresscritters has obviously not worked and they are “getting in their faces” now.
Now, if congress continues to ignore these people (us) then there very well may be hell to pay. But that time is not yet.
re: #34 by Rodan
She is dumber than Mike Tyson.
re: #36 by vapig
Yup, Inhofe is reffering to nwhat happned in 1994. Not some violent revolution.
Hey when Bush was President, the Progressives talked about revolution and assasinations.
How come no one was upset about that?
re: #31 by bar
Ahem – did you say Virginia? As in, MY VIRGINIA!!??!! This happened HERE?????
Oh! There’s gonna be hell to pay, bucko! Oh yes, sirree! There’s gonna be REAL HELL TO PAY!!!!!
re: #36 by vapig
Exactly!! CJ is preaching to his lemmings that armed and crazy right wingers are about to take to the streets. I don’t know what is worse, him saying such BS, or the herd of lizards which are lapping it up.
re: #40 by tunnelrat
Yeah especially Sharmuta who is so concerned for the World. I only care about America and our allies. The rest of the world can go to hell.
re: #39 by vapig
I sure hope so.
Now if that happened in Chicago or LA, it would be more understandable, but not in VA.
re: #40 by tunnelrat
I can’t believe a guy got banned for posting a portion of the Declaration of Independance. Haven’t those morons ever read the thing?
Plato has no chimed in!
re: #23 by lobo91
I agree with you and quiet man on this.
That is my impression.
Whenever AQ or Towliebans face our military heads up, and give us a clear target, they get their 72 raisins.
I think too many confuse our concerns of what islam is all about. The majority of muslims do not want to fight, and it is those people we need to be communicating with. I’ll never forget a post made at Iraq The Model, where Mohammed said the one thing that AQ is really good at, is making new enemies.
Look at what Gen. Petraeus was able to accomplish, and it was due in large part by getting those who were not militant muslims to fight those who were.
In a perfect world, islam would cease to exist, but to pretend that we are in a fighting war with every single muslim in the world is not accurate.
Adopting a “kill them all” attitude toward muslims is simplistic and unrealistic. I didn’t adapt that approach to the greatest enemy of all time, the commies, and even though new commie bastids spring up everyday in our midst, many were reborn and are now hard core conservatives.
As to another look into what really should concern folks about PC BS and social engineering in our military is found in this excellent piece from 1992.
The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012.
re: #28 by mike
re: #32 gatorbait
Get off my website.
Killgore Trout is dumber than Mike Tyson too!
re: #46 by Rodan
Any idea what gatorbait said to the chuckie?
The wisdom of Capt. Queeg
Religious fanatic Senator James Inhofe (R-Okla.)….
[...]
Republican leaders across the country denounced Inhofe’s radical rhetoric and determined ignorance … oh, wait. No, they didn’t.
Boy Capt. Queeg sure is the hater among haters and a extreme religious bigot to boot.
Who knew that Capt. Queeg liked to toss Markos Moulitsas salad?
re: #25 by tunnelrat
I’ve been saying for a while that we are currently fighting, and have been fighting for almost twenty years now, a Cold Civil War.The underpiningd of it were there even under the Reagan Administration, where there were a sizable segment of the population (you guessed it, Progressive “Democrats”) who weren’t at all sure that it would be a good thing for America to win the Cold War. They couldn’t (quite) come out and cheer for the Soviets, but they did what they could when they could.
These people were absolutely dismayed when the Soviet Union collapsed. However one thing came out of that collapse that they could hold on to: the same thing could happen here. If they worked hard enough to bring it about. Thus began the Cold Civil War, with the Transnational Progressives and their useful idiots on one side, Conservatives, some libertartians, and even a few old-style Liberals on the other, but with most of the country completely oblivious to the existence of either side.
That is what has slowly been changing. Under the Clinton Administration, you saw our side exemplified not so much by the militia members as, at least in rhetoric, the remaining Cold Warriors of the Reagan Republican Party. They couold talk a good talk, and after only two years of Clinton enough of us were able to persuade enough of the blind (or at least nearsighted) to remove the Democrats (Trans-Progs and all) from power. We voted a revolution. That is part of what makes America great. Unfortunately, the Republicans did not do a very good job of implementing the revolution that we voted. Nevertheless, the Trans-Progs did not dare come out of the shadows. Despite the very close election between Bush and Gore, it looked like we had more or less won.
And then 9-11 happened. We had more impoortant and immediate things to do than worry about the Trans-Progs. At first 9-11 seemed like the ultimate disaster, but they quickly saw a potential to come out of the shadows as “anti-War”. In truth, they had picked a side in the war and that side was not America’s. This became more obvious as things went on. It was interesting how quickly the Democrats as an entire party flipped to this side. To the point that they tried to remove Joe Lieberman from office because he wasn’t sufficiently Leftist. No doubt, while we were acendant during most of the Clinton Administration, they were working within the Democrat Party to take the raines of power.
Now things are almost totally out in the open. The power-grab they are calling “Health Care Reform” may pass. But there is a lot of resistance to it. People who’ve never heard of the Trans-Progs recognize the very real threat to their liberty. They are loudly turning out at town halls and tea parties, and they are buying guns and ammunition like nobody’s business. The dividing lines are there, the pressures are very real. If this keeps up, we may again
vote a Revolution in 2010. And then things may get very interesting.
That cop at Moran’s event is only one of many behaving that way. I posted a few weeks ago a Baton Rouge cop behaving much the same way with a group of nuts from ACORN basically directing him what to do.
But those are individual cops we know about. What to watch is when the activities are directed by the Mayor.
Dang!
Forty percent of all physicians in the UK’s NHS are already from foreign countries, then this insulting injury is added.
Foreign surgeons flown to UK to cut waiting times ‘botched one in three operations’
Foreign surgeons flown to UK to cut waiting times ‘botched one in three operations’
re: #48 by savage
See mike #28
Filed under “Don’t Bogard That Joint.”
Um… What? Palin Was Picked For McCain by the Media?
re: #48 by savage
Read Mike’s number 35. A poster on LGF wrote that and charles banned him.
re: #50 by Iron Fist
Hey Good 2 see you!
re: #56 by no2liberals
That is funny.
re: #58 by bar
Channeling Muttley-Mutt.
re: #50 by Iron Fist
I agree. There has been a revolution of sorts going on for many years, but it has not been an armed conflict as we see in many third world countries. As long as the U.S. remains a democracy this will (and probably should) continue as it promotes the free exchange of ideas.
re: #57 by Rodan
Hey, man! It is good to be seen. I’ve been out of commission. Hope everyone has had fun in my abscence
re: #61 by Iron Fist
It’s been good but I missed your insight on things. Glad you are OK!
re: #31 by bar
As someone else who can’t run videos, thanks for the description.
re: #45 by no2liberals
Unfortunately, very few outside the military understand the concept of counterinsurgency anymore. Wars are fought on terrain, but in this instance, the terrain in question is the population.
For anyone who’s interested, I highly recommend David Kilcullen’s recent book, The Accidental Guerrilla: Fighting Small Wars in the Midst of a Big One.
Unlike Chuckles, I don’t get paid by Amazon to push books. This one is definitely worth your time, however.
re: #61 by Iron Fist
Heyla, Iron Fist! It’s great to see you again — hope things are going well for you.
Re: #43 vapig
Apparently NOT
http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae277/RAPH6969/CommentonImhofethread.jpg
This is typical of the termite like behavior of the left. They make it a point to infiltrate the institutions they wish to destroy.
re: #25 by tunnelrat
that’s MY senator! Love the guy
re: #40 by tunnelrat
we’re not?
*unloads and sighs*
what good is being an evil right-winger if you can’t shoot?
re: #49 by bar
Inhofe is a ‘religious fanatic’?
LOL that’s great!
people blowing up innocents because they’re not ‘muslim enough’ and Inhofe is the fanatic for opposing obamacare?
re: #66 by Rides A Pale Horse
priceless!
They really didn’t know where it came from.
re: #4 by Rodan
NOW I can say it.
ISLAM DELENDA EST!!
re: #50 by Iron Fist