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		<title>By: RickMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RickMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-67531&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;#160&lt;/a&gt; by Bordm&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Wow, you sure spent a lot of time putting together an inane rant filled with leftist talking points (drivel), that have absolutely no basis in reality. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m still trying to wrap my brain around the fact that some moron spent so much time writing such a lengthy defense of Nancy Lugosi.  That is epic fail.  On so many levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>re: <a href="#comment-67531" rel="nofollow">#160</a> by Bordm</i></p>
<blockquote><p>Wow, you sure spent a lot of time putting together an inane rant filled with leftist talking points (drivel), that have absolutely no basis in reality. </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m still trying to wrap my brain around the fact that some moron spent so much time writing such a lengthy defense of Nancy Lugosi.  That is epic fail.  On so many levels.</p>
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		<title>By: RickMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RickMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see Charlotte Democrat, when presented with facts (from bar), ran away like a, well, democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Charlotte Democrat, when presented with facts (from bar), ran away like a, well, democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: sandy reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandy reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for standing up and speaking up for the wrong that this bunch of numb-skulls in Washington or doing.  I am 69 years old and have never been truly afraid of the direction that our world is going until narcissistic  Obama was voted into office..  This USA is going to Hell in a hand basket in a hurry.  We need to pray some big prayers all the time.  I just want them all out as soon as possible.  Thanks again for your letter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for standing up and speaking up for the wrong that this bunch of numb-skulls in Washington or doing.  I am 69 years old and have never been truly afraid of the direction that our world is going until narcissistic  Obama was voted into office..  This USA is going to Hell in a hand basket in a hurry.  We need to pray some big prayers all the time.  I just want them all out as soon as possible.  Thanks again for your letter.</p>
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		<title>By: ColGrampaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>ColGrampaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-66457&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;#154&lt;/a&gt; by Charlotte Democrat&lt;/i&gt;

Is that the best you can do?  Your juvenile effort to discredit Mr. Guthrie is a such pathetic play on semantics. 

As you are apparently an expert on Military Awards &amp; Decorations, I will not dispute your selective excerpt from the 1962 XO 11046.  I wonder, however, if you happened to note that the very same language is used on the XO&#039;s establishing most other medals awarded for military valor and service. I can only assume that you are suggesting that the millions of veterans who received multiple awards of a particular medal are being dishonest if they claim to have received more than one. 

Since it&#039;s obvious that you never wore a military uniform in the service of this country, I invite you to come and see both of my Bronze Star Medals, each having been awarded to me upon completion of separate tours of Vietnam.  For clarification purposes, only one can be worn at an appropriate occasion, and it carries an Oak Leaf Cluster device to denote the second award. 

Now, since I live about 1,000 miles from Charlotte, it is unlikely that you will accept my invitation to look me in the eye and tell me I did not legally receive two Bronze Star Medals.  Instead, as an alternative, I&#039;d suggest that you visit Mr. Guthrie at his Charlotte office and personally tell him that he is a liar. I&#039;m sure that he would be most receptive to your efforts to correct his letter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>re: <a href="#comment-66457" rel="nofollow">#154</a> by Charlotte Democrat</i></p>
<p>Is that the best you can do?  Your juvenile effort to discredit Mr. Guthrie is a such pathetic play on semantics. </p>
<p>As you are apparently an expert on Military Awards &amp; Decorations, I will not dispute your selective excerpt from the 1962 XO 11046.  I wonder, however, if you happened to note that the very same language is used on the XO&#8217;s establishing most other medals awarded for military valor and service. I can only assume that you are suggesting that the millions of veterans who received multiple awards of a particular medal are being dishonest if they claim to have received more than one. </p>
<p>Since it&#8217;s obvious that you never wore a military uniform in the service of this country, I invite you to come and see both of my Bronze Star Medals, each having been awarded to me upon completion of separate tours of Vietnam.  For clarification purposes, only one can be worn at an appropriate occasion, and it carries an Oak Leaf Cluster device to denote the second award. </p>
<p>Now, since I live about 1,000 miles from Charlotte, it is unlikely that you will accept my invitation to look me in the eye and tell me I did not legally receive two Bronze Star Medals.  Instead, as an alternative, I&#8217;d suggest that you visit Mr. Guthrie at his Charlotte office and personally tell him that he is a liar. I&#8217;m sure that he would be most receptive to your efforts to correct his letter.</p>
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		<title>By: LanceKates</title>
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		<dc:creator>LanceKates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-67524&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;#159&lt;/a&gt; by chuckjuhl&lt;/i&gt;

very long and thought out, yet useless, purposeless, ineffective and biased-based drivel.

you are the weakest link, goodbye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>re: <a href="#comment-67524" rel="nofollow">#159</a> by chuckjuhl</i></p>
<p>very long and thought out, yet useless, purposeless, ineffective and biased-based drivel.</p>
<p>you are the weakest link, goodbye.</p>
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		<title>By: Bordm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bordm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;re: &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-67524&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;#159&lt;/a&gt; by chuckjuhl&lt;/i&gt;

Wow, you sure spent a lot of time putting together an inane rant filled with leftist talking points (drivel), that have absolutely no basis in reality. Then posting it on a dead thread.

Sucks to be you.

GAZE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>re: <a href="#comment-67524" rel="nofollow">#159</a> by chuckjuhl</i></p>
<p>Wow, you sure spent a lot of time putting together an inane rant filled with leftist talking points (drivel), that have absolutely no basis in reality. Then posting it on a dead thread.</p>
<p>Sucks to be you.</p>
<p>GAZE</p>
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		<title>By: chuckjuhl</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An Open letter to Dennis L. Guthrie, Esq.

I read your Open Letter to Nancy Pelosi with some amusement. It was a rant devoid of substance. Your diatribe reminded me of a quote from William Shakespeare’s “Macbeth” - “Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.”

Your rather noxious diatribe on Nancy Pelosi clearly indicates that you do not understand how our form of Government was designed to work. Congresswoman Pelosi represents California’s 8th District, which includes most of the City and County of San Francisco. San Francisco, in case you’ve been living on another planet, is one of the most liberal areas in the Country. Ms. Pelosi is comparatively moderate in her views in comparison to her constituents whom have overwhelmingly elected her to the House eleven times (in every election since 1987 she has received at least 75% of the votes in her district). Ms. Pelosi in fact represents the views of her constituents far more moderately than the majority of her constituents themselves express their views. If you had even a rudimentary understanding of this Country’s legislative process, you would understand that Ms. Pelosi is doing exactly what she is responsible for doing as a member of the House. The primary purpose of the House of Representatives in our bifurcated legislative system is to represent the majority view of the citizens of the members’ districts. It is the role of the Senate to represent the broader views of the States as a whole. Ms. Pelosi is doing her job, and doing it to the satisfaction of her constituents. As a member of the House of REPRESENTATIVES, that is exactly what she is charged under our Constitution with doing. While I don’t particularly care for most of Ms. Pelosi’s views, or those of her Constituents, I can hardly find her derelict in her duties.

And while I don’t particularly care for Ms. Pelosi (she’s not the worst of the bunch and certainly not the best), I don’t entirely disagree with her comments that much of the disruptive tactics and blatantly false accusations currently coming from some groups in our society are un-patriotic. I never considered the Vietnam War protesters that visited us at Fort Bragg, including Jane Fonda, who used very similar tactics to those now employed by the fringe on right, to be patriotic Americans. I have always considered their tactics un-American, irrespective of their message. Now, if you agree with me that the much of the disruptive, mean-spirited, slanderous and false invectives of many groups involved in the Vietnam Conflict protests to be un-American, how the HELL do you fault Pelosi for condemning similar tactics from the fringe far-right?

This brings me to another point concerning Pelosi. Ms. Pelosi’s accusations that she was not entirely informed and in fact was intentionally misled during CIA briefings on the Hill is very likely substantially accurate. I doubt seriously that any intelligence agency is going to jeopardize a clandestine operation by disclosing it to a liberal congresswoman from San Francisco. Christ, lying and misleading are part of the curriculum at McLean. No Chief of Station or Case Officer can run his station or his local agents without being adept at manipulating information. There is an oft quoted saying in McLean about dealing with Congress: “It’s always easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.” While even I (being generally law-abiding) in the same circumstances would have been hesitant to fully brief someone like Pelosi, Ms. Pelosi’s version of the events in question is very, very likely substantially accurate. 

Recently released CIA memorandum indicates that several personnel at the time had expressed concerns that they were knowingly violating U.S. law with some aspects of the program, and that there would likely be consequences later. Now when you have a minute of lucid sobriety think about it; if they were aware at the time that there was a very strong likelihood that the operation had gone out-of-bounds, do you REALLY think that they are going to go before Nancy Pelosi, of all people, and say, “We know we’re over the line on this one, but we just wanted to let you know that we’re going to continue this for a while longer.”  I mean seriously Dennis; you have to be mentally retarded to think that any operative of any U.S. intelligence agency is going to fully and accurately brief a bleeding-heart liberal member of Congress with a big mouth on ongoing harsh interrogation techniques. That would be about prudent as pinning a sign on his/her back pants pocket saying “Prosecute My Ass.” Sober up Dude. Get real.
   
I was no fan of Ted Kennedy, but the demonizing of Kennedy by Rush and others over Chappaquiddick and his past alcohol abuse I do find just a little (well a lot) disingenuous.  If the wing-nuts on the right are going to condemn people for vehicular homicide, where is the outrage over former first lady Laura Bush’s 1963 (very likely) DUI-induced accident that killed a high school classmate? Where is his (and your) outrage over Dick Cheney’s past DUI’S – two within 8 months? Or Cheney’s flunking out of Yale? Or Cheney’s FIVE draft deferments? Cheney himself admitted that he had intentionally avoided military service because he had “other priorities in the &#039;60s than military service.&quot; Would not FIVE draft deferments to avoid military service and Vietnam warrant labeling Cheney as a DRAFT DODGER?
 
I have never been able to comprehend how that drunk-ass ignorant draft dodger became not only a secretary of Defense, but a Vice-President! ONLY the self-righteous “conservatives” would pick a leader whose own conduct was so anti-ethical. And only another drunk-ass ignorant draft dodger like Rush Limbaugh would hold Cheney up as a mentor and role model. It’s like Mussolini looking up to Hitler.

I keep wondering what Cheney’s “other priorities in the &#039;60s than military service&quot; were. Then I realized that those other oh-so important priorities were drinking and driving! Between 1974 and 2008 I seriously doubt that there was anyone more quietly detested within the Pentagon and at the War College in Carlisle than Dick Cheney. Well, maybe Don Rumsfeld. Even silly-ass Ted Kennedy deserves more respect. He at least SERVED, however ingloriously.
 
In my opinion, Ted Kennedy was an asshole and a joke for most of his life. But he was for the most part a harmless asshole. Cheney, on the other hand, has caused more devastation to this Country than a rabid Pit Bull loose in a preschool.

If you, as a self-professed decorated Veteran, can view either Dick Cheney or Rush Limbaugh with anything other than distain, then there is something SERIUOSLY wrong with your thought processes and your loyalties. No officer loyal to the uniform should EVER respect a “Chicken Hawk.” To give respect to a war monger whom actively avoided service (in combat or otherwise) is to disrespect those that did their duty when called and most especially those that gave their lives on the battlefield.

My point on bringing up Chaney, Limbaugh, and even Ted Kennedy is that if you are going to expend the energy to spew invective insults willy-nilly, at least have some objective, factual basis for doing so. As for your view on what is “Un-American”, would you not concede that intentionally evading the draft is Un-American? If you believe that it is somehow patriotic to evade the draft or evade taxes then I believe that your sense of “right and wrong” is really fucked up. 

To summarize, where the hell is your head, other than up your ass?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Open letter to Dennis L. Guthrie, Esq.</p>
<p>I read your Open Letter to Nancy Pelosi with some amusement. It was a rant devoid of substance. Your diatribe reminded me of a quote from William Shakespeare’s “Macbeth” &#8211; “Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.”</p>
<p>Your rather noxious diatribe on Nancy Pelosi clearly indicates that you do not understand how our form of Government was designed to work. Congresswoman Pelosi represents California’s 8th District, which includes most of the City and County of San Francisco. San Francisco, in case you’ve been living on another planet, is one of the most liberal areas in the Country. Ms. Pelosi is comparatively moderate in her views in comparison to her constituents whom have overwhelmingly elected her to the House eleven times (in every election since 1987 she has received at least 75% of the votes in her district). Ms. Pelosi in fact represents the views of her constituents far more moderately than the majority of her constituents themselves express their views. If you had even a rudimentary understanding of this Country’s legislative process, you would understand that Ms. Pelosi is doing exactly what she is responsible for doing as a member of the House. The primary purpose of the House of Representatives in our bifurcated legislative system is to represent the majority view of the citizens of the members’ districts. It is the role of the Senate to represent the broader views of the States as a whole. Ms. Pelosi is doing her job, and doing it to the satisfaction of her constituents. As a member of the House of REPRESENTATIVES, that is exactly what she is charged under our Constitution with doing. While I don’t particularly care for most of Ms. Pelosi’s views, or those of her Constituents, I can hardly find her derelict in her duties.</p>
<p>And while I don’t particularly care for Ms. Pelosi (she’s not the worst of the bunch and certainly not the best), I don’t entirely disagree with her comments that much of the disruptive tactics and blatantly false accusations currently coming from some groups in our society are un-patriotic. I never considered the Vietnam War protesters that visited us at Fort Bragg, including Jane Fonda, who used very similar tactics to those now employed by the fringe on right, to be patriotic Americans. I have always considered their tactics un-American, irrespective of their message. Now, if you agree with me that the much of the disruptive, mean-spirited, slanderous and false invectives of many groups involved in the Vietnam Conflict protests to be un-American, how the HELL do you fault Pelosi for condemning similar tactics from the fringe far-right?</p>
<p>This brings me to another point concerning Pelosi. Ms. Pelosi’s accusations that she was not entirely informed and in fact was intentionally misled during CIA briefings on the Hill is very likely substantially accurate. I doubt seriously that any intelligence agency is going to jeopardize a clandestine operation by disclosing it to a liberal congresswoman from San Francisco. Christ, lying and misleading are part of the curriculum at McLean. No Chief of Station or Case Officer can run his station or his local agents without being adept at manipulating information. There is an oft quoted saying in McLean about dealing with Congress: “It’s always easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.” While even I (being generally law-abiding) in the same circumstances would have been hesitant to fully brief someone like Pelosi, Ms. Pelosi’s version of the events in question is very, very likely substantially accurate. </p>
<p>Recently released CIA memorandum indicates that several personnel at the time had expressed concerns that they were knowingly violating U.S. law with some aspects of the program, and that there would likely be consequences later. Now when you have a minute of lucid sobriety think about it; if they were aware at the time that there was a very strong likelihood that the operation had gone out-of-bounds, do you REALLY think that they are going to go before Nancy Pelosi, of all people, and say, “We know we’re over the line on this one, but we just wanted to let you know that we’re going to continue this for a while longer.”  I mean seriously Dennis; you have to be mentally retarded to think that any operative of any U.S. intelligence agency is going to fully and accurately brief a bleeding-heart liberal member of Congress with a big mouth on ongoing harsh interrogation techniques. That would be about prudent as pinning a sign on his/her back pants pocket saying “Prosecute My Ass.” Sober up Dude. Get real.</p>
<p>I was no fan of Ted Kennedy, but the demonizing of Kennedy by Rush and others over Chappaquiddick and his past alcohol abuse I do find just a little (well a lot) disingenuous.  If the wing-nuts on the right are going to condemn people for vehicular homicide, where is the outrage over former first lady Laura Bush’s 1963 (very likely) DUI-induced accident that killed a high school classmate? Where is his (and your) outrage over Dick Cheney’s past DUI’S – two within 8 months? Or Cheney’s flunking out of Yale? Or Cheney’s FIVE draft deferments? Cheney himself admitted that he had intentionally avoided military service because he had “other priorities in the &#8217;60s than military service.&#8221; Would not FIVE draft deferments to avoid military service and Vietnam warrant labeling Cheney as a DRAFT DODGER?</p>
<p>I have never been able to comprehend how that drunk-ass ignorant draft dodger became not only a secretary of Defense, but a Vice-President! ONLY the self-righteous “conservatives” would pick a leader whose own conduct was so anti-ethical. And only another drunk-ass ignorant draft dodger like Rush Limbaugh would hold Cheney up as a mentor and role model. It’s like Mussolini looking up to Hitler.</p>
<p>I keep wondering what Cheney’s “other priorities in the &#8217;60s than military service&#8221; were. Then I realized that those other oh-so important priorities were drinking and driving! Between 1974 and 2008 I seriously doubt that there was anyone more quietly detested within the Pentagon and at the War College in Carlisle than Dick Cheney. Well, maybe Don Rumsfeld. Even silly-ass Ted Kennedy deserves more respect. He at least SERVED, however ingloriously.</p>
<p>In my opinion, Ted Kennedy was an asshole and a joke for most of his life. But he was for the most part a harmless asshole. Cheney, on the other hand, has caused more devastation to this Country than a rabid Pit Bull loose in a preschool.</p>
<p>If you, as a self-professed decorated Veteran, can view either Dick Cheney or Rush Limbaugh with anything other than distain, then there is something SERIUOSLY wrong with your thought processes and your loyalties. No officer loyal to the uniform should EVER respect a “Chicken Hawk.” To give respect to a war monger whom actively avoided service (in combat or otherwise) is to disrespect those that did their duty when called and most especially those that gave their lives on the battlefield.</p>
<p>My point on bringing up Chaney, Limbaugh, and even Ted Kennedy is that if you are going to expend the energy to spew invective insults willy-nilly, at least have some objective, factual basis for doing so. As for your view on what is “Un-American”, would you not concede that intentionally evading the draft is Un-American? If you believe that it is somehow patriotic to evade the draft or evade taxes then I believe that your sense of “right and wrong” is really fucked up. </p>
<p>To summarize, where the hell is your head, other than up your ass?</p>
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