Inside the Health Care Bill, aka HR3200

Here is the entire 1017 page Health Care Bill. There is a man by the name of Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) who is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings. This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman’s)

Pg 16: SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE. lines 3-26 of the HC Bill – OUTLAWS PRIVATE INSURANCE by forbidding enrollment after HR 3022 is passed into law.

Pg 21-22: SEC. 113. INSURANCE RATING RULES of the HC Bill MANDATES the Government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 29: SEC. 122. ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE DEFINED: lines 4-16 in the HC bill – YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 30: SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE of HC bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Pg 42: SEC. 142. DUTIES AND AUTHORITY OF COMMISSIONER of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

PG 50-51: SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE in HC bill – HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, ILLEGAL or otherwise.

Pg 58: SEC. 163. ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATION HC Bill – Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances and a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59: SEC. 163. ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATIONHC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have DIRECT access to your BANK ACCOUNTS for electronic funds transfer. This means the government can go in and take your money right out of your bank account.

PG 65: SEC. 164. REINSURANCE PROGRAM FOR RETIREES is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions and community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72: SEC. 201. ESTABLISHMENT OF HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE; OUTLINE OF DUTIES; DEFINITIONS Lines 8-14 Government is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control.

PG 84: SEC. 203. BENEFITS PACKAGE LEVELS HC Bill – Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange

PG 85: SEC. 203. BENEFITS PACKAGE LEVELS Line 7 HC Bill – SPECIFICATION OF BENEFIT LEVELS FOR PLANS = The Government will ration your Healthcare!

PG 91: SEC. 204. CONTRACTS FOR THE OFFERING OF EXCHANGE-PARTICIPATING HEALTH BENEFITS PLANS Lines 4-7 HC Bill – Government mandates linguistic appropriate services. Example – Translation for illegal aliens!

Pg 95: SEC. 205. OUTREACH AND ENROLLMENT OF EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS AND EMPLOYERS IN EXCHANGE-PARTICIPATING HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Government will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Government HC plan.

PG 102: SEC. 205. OUTREACH AND ENROLLMENT OF EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS AND EMPLOYERS IN EXCHANGE-PARTICIPATING HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN Lines 12-18 HC Bill – Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice!

pg 124: SEC. 223. PAYMENT RATES FOR ITEMS AND SERVICES lines 24-25 HC No company can sue the GOVERNMENT on price fixing! No “judicial review” against Government Monopoly!!

pg 127: SEC. 225. PROVIDER PARTICIPATION Lines 1-16 HC Bill – Doctors/ AMA – The Government will tell YOU what you can make.

Pg 145: SEC. 312. EMPLOYER RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS EMPLOYEE AND DEPENDENT COVERAGE Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE!!

Pg 146: SEC. 312. EMPLOYER RESPONSIBILITY TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS EMPLOYEE AND DEPENDENT COVERAGE Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.

Pg 149: SEC. 313. EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTIONS IN LIEU OF COVERAGE Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll of $400k and above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

pg 150: SEC. 313. EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTIONS IN LIEU OF COVERAGE Lines 9-13 Business’s with payroll between $251k – $400k who doesn’t provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Pg 167: SEC. 401. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Pg 170: SEC. 401. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is EXEMPT from individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195: HC Bill – SEC. 421. CREDIT FOR SMALL BUSINESS EMPLOYEE HEALTH COVERAGE EXPENSES Officers and employees of HC Administration (GOVERNMENT) will have access to ALL Americans financial and personal records!

PG 203: SEC. 441. SURCHARGE ON HIGH INCOME INDIVIDUALS Line 14-15 HC – “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that!

Pg 239: SEC. 1121. SUSTAINABLE GROWTH RATE REFORM Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.

Pg 241: SEC. 1121. SUSTAINABLE GROWTH RATE REFORM Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors, doesn’t matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same.

PG 253: SEC. 1122. MISVALUED CODES UNDER THE PHYSICIAN FEE

SCHEDULE Line 10-18 Government sets value of Doctor’s time, professional judgment, etc. Literally value of humans.

PG 265: SEC. 1131. INCORPORATING PRODUCTIVITY IMPROVEMENTS INTO MARKET BASKET UPDATES THAT DO NOT ALREADY INCORPORATE SUCH IMPROVEMENTS. Government mandates and controls productivity for private HC industries.

PG 268: SEC. 1141. RENTAL AND PURCHASE OF POWER-DRIVEN WHEELCHAIRS. Federal Government regulates rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs

PG 272: SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!

Page 280: SEC. 1151. REDUCING POTENTIALLY PREVENTABLE HOSPITAL READMISSIONS The Government will penalize hospitals for what Government deems preventable readmissions.

Pg 298: SEC. 1151. REDUCING POTENTIALLY PREVENTABLE HOSPITAL READMISSIONS Lines 9-11 Doctors! Treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission? Government will penalize you.

Pg 317: SEC. 1156. LIMITATION ON MEDICARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE PROHIBITION ON CERTAIN PHYSICIAN REFERRALS MADE TO HOSPITALS Lines 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership and investment! Government tells Doctors what and how much they can own!

Pg 317-318: SEC. 1156. LIMITATION ON MEDICARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE PROHIBITION ON CERTAIN PHYSICIAN REFERRALS MADE TO HOSPITALS lines 21-25, 1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion – Government is mandating hospitals cannot expand!

pg 321: SEC. 1156. LIMITATION ON MEDICARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE PROHIBITION ON CERTAIN PHYSICIAN REFERRALS MADE TO HOSPITALS Lines 2-13 Hospitals have option to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!

Pg 335: SEC. 1162. QUALITY BONUS PAYMENTS Lines 16-25 Pg 336-339 – Government mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341: SEC. 1162. QUALITY BONUS PAYMENTS Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Government plan.

Pg 354: SEC. 1177. EXTENSION OF AUTHORITY OF SPECIAL NEEDS PLANS TO RESTRICT ENROLLMENT – Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people! OMG! My sister has Downs Syndrome!!!

Pg 379: SEC. 1191. TELEHEALTH EXPANSION AND ENHANCEMENTS Government creates more bureaucracy – Telehealth Advisory Committee Can you say HC by phone?

PG 425: SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

Pg 425: SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION Lines 17-19 Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

PG 425: SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death!

PG 427: SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends!

Pg 429: SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION Lines 1-9 An “advance care planning consultant” will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

PG 429: SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION Lines 10-12 “advance care consultation” may include an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

Pg 429: SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION Lines 13-25 – The Government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

PG 430: SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

Pg 469: SEC. 1302. MEDICAL HOME PILOT PROGRAM Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472: SEC. 1302. MEDICAL HOME PILOT PROGRAM Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489: SEC. 1308. COVERAGE OF MARRIAGE AND FAMILY THERAPIST SERVICES AND MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELOR SERVICES The Government will cover Marriage and Family therapy. Which means they will insert Government into your marriage

Pg 494-498: SEC. 1308. COVERAGE OF MARRIAGE AND FAMILY THERAPIST SERVICES AND MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELOR SERVICES Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services.

Hat tip to Vapig. Thank you!

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196 Responses to “Inside the Health Care Bill, aka HR3200”
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  1. 1 | July 22, 2009 3:07 pm

    This is the end of the United States as we know it if this thing passes.


  2. vagabond trader
    2 | July 22, 2009 3:10 pm

    He has a fixation on euthanasia. I wonder if that is what the trip to his Granny was about. Sorry, cannot help thinking it. A prolongued illness would have been such a distraction during his coronation.


  3. vagabond trader
    3 | July 22, 2009 3:12 pm

    re: #1 by savage

    As a former nurse who has seen many things she’d like to forget, this is one of the most disturbing things I have ever observed, heard or read.


  4. jakee308
    4 | July 22, 2009 3:13 pm

    Good job, Vapig!!


  5. 5 | July 22, 2009 3:14 pm

    re: #3 by vagabond trader

    I’m sorry, but this thing has to be posted.


  6. vagabond trader
    6 | July 22, 2009 3:16 pm

    re: #5 by savage

    No argument, what made you say that?


  7. vapig
    7 | July 22, 2009 3:24 pm

    re: #5 by savage

    Agreed! This thing really needs to go viral! If people knew what was in this thing I think we’d immediately find ourselves in a civil war.

    Not to be dramatic, but I thinks it’s that monstrous and draconian.

    Besides crap and tax, this would nail the coffin shut. It would empty every dime out of every American’s pocket.

    I just LOVE how illegals are exempt from all the taxes but enjoy all the coverage.


  8. 8 | July 22, 2009 3:30 pm

    re: #6 by vagabond trader

    It’s not me to totally freak out people I like.


  9. vagabond trader
    9 | July 22, 2009 3:34 pm

    re: #8 by savage

    Heh heh, takes something not of this earth to freak this old broad out.Not there yet.

    :-)


  10. vagabond trader
    10 | July 22, 2009 3:37 pm

    re: #7 by vapig

    This is going to husbands firehouse. There are already grumblings from a bunch of Obamatons there. Lotta buyers remorse, this will seal it for sure!I hope this Fleckman keeps reading and posting.

    Think I’ll print up a pile and stuff them in some rural mailboxes.


  11. RickMZ
    11 | July 22, 2009 3:40 pm

    I want this question asked tonight, one asked of Rep. Carnahan (D-MO) by a constituent a few days ago: “If [this plan] is so good, why doesn’t Congress have to be on it?”

    I really think the question and the (probably non-responsive) answer will shock those who don’t follow such things closely, and will be a bill-killer.


  12. 12 | July 22, 2009 3:43 pm

    re: #11 by RickMZ

    Did the useless drone hem and haw its way out of answering?


  13. no2liberals
    13 | July 22, 2009 3:48 pm

    Is there any wonder that the members of Congress and La Casa Blanca claim to have not read it?

    This is an excellent post, and one that needs as wide a distribution as it can get. If nothing else, it would raise doubts for those who cling to the belief that it is a good idea, and gives a link to the actual bill if they want to verify it for themselves.
    If there are no objections, I will copy and paste this to the other blogs where I post.

    Thanks, vapig, for bringing this to us.


  14. 14 | July 22, 2009 3:52 pm

    re: #7 by vapig

    Maybe it is time to renounce citizenship, but not residency.


  15. RickMZ
    15 | July 22, 2009 3:55 pm

    re: #12 by savage

    The clip cut off just after the question, but not before there was a ‘deer in the headlights’ look from a woman sitting next to him (in a striped blouse).

    The clip’s only 1:21 long, and it’s right at the end.

    democrat carnahan dismisses black man

    If you haven’t checked out ‘TheBlackSphere’, it’s well worth the perusal. Disclaimer: I receive nothing for my recommendation.


  16. Bob in Breckenridge
    16 | July 22, 2009 3:58 pm

    re: #13 by no2liberals

    Email it to all your contacts also, and make sure you tell them to forward it. KEEP IT GOING!!!


  17. 17 | July 22, 2009 3:59 pm

    re: #13 by no2liberals

    Put it out everywhere you can. Please!


  18. vagabond trader
    18 | July 22, 2009 4:04 pm

    re: #15 by RickMZ

    Thats a good blog,we should have a link.


  19. 19 | July 22, 2009 4:04 pm

    re: #11 by RickMZ

    “If [this plan] is so good, why doesn’t Congress have to be on it?”

    I think that is the message, and sound bite that will destroy the Bill.


  20. 20 | July 22, 2009 4:05 pm

    re: #18 by vagabond trader

    Don’t tell us how to run our blog, I bid you adieu. Get off my blog!
    /


  21. bar
    21 | July 22, 2009 4:08 pm

    I think this bill is a great idea.
    specially this part.
    SEC. 163. ADMINISTRATIVE SIMPLIFICATION
    As one who has had personal dealings with the IRS and State Franchise Tax board, having direct access to my bank account can only mean good things for me.


  22. vapig
    22 | July 22, 2009 4:08 pm

    I spent most of the afternoon (lol – good thing my duties are light!) cleaning it up and pasting the proper sections nest to the page numbers – then I mailed it to myself.

    I just mailed it to every human being (even professional contacts) in my mailing list.

    I just wish I knew how to link the whole thing to my facebook page. I have more cousins that that woman in My Big Fat Greek Wedding!

    27 first cousins? pfffts! Greeks don’t know how to breed!


  23. no2liberals
    23 | July 22, 2009 4:09 pm

    re: #17 by savage
    I will, with proper attribution, and will include the official chart of the House plan.

    Image Hosted by ImageShack.us


  24. song_and_dance_man
    24 | July 22, 2009 4:11 pm

    re: #7 by vapig

    I know it’s preaching to the choir, but B. Hussein is leading us into Socialism with a twist of Marxism.

    5 days away from the 2008 election B. Hussein said this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cqN4NIEtOY

    Just look at the new lay of the land: a friend of labor and its allies sits in the White House.

    -Sam Webb

    And who is he?

    Leader of the Communist Party in America


  25. 25 | July 22, 2009 4:12 pm

    re: #15 by RickMZ

    I stuck your video in there. Thanks in advance.


  26. vapig
    26 | July 22, 2009 4:12 pm

    BTW – thanks everyone for giving me credit for this – but the credit goes to Mark Levin. He read this whole thing on his radio show last night.

    That’s why I knew where to find this.


  27. RickMZ
    27 | July 22, 2009 4:12 pm

    re: #20 by WrathofG-d

    Republican reps asking Obama “Where are the jobs?” from the Porkulous1 bill is another winning soundbite which dovetails into this ObamaCare deficit fiasco. Obama’s going to use the ‘we need this now/it’s imperative this passes/trust me’ argument tonight. Mark my words. Oh, and ‘the Republicans are playing old politics as usual’.


  28. song_and_dance_man
    28 | July 22, 2009 4:13 pm

    It’s 1938 all over again.


  29. vapig
    29 | July 22, 2009 4:14 pm

    re: #24 by song_and_dance_man

    I heard that also on the Mark Levin show. Either last night or the night before.

    Dude is really on top of this!


  30. no2liberals
    30 | July 22, 2009 4:14 pm

    re: #26 by vapig
    Okay then, but it was you who brought it to our attention.
    In any event, special kudos to Fleckman.


  31. no2liberals
    31 | July 22, 2009 4:16 pm

    re: #24 by song_and_dance_man
    What you are illustrating, is that B-HO doesn’t lie, 100% of the time.


  32. vapig
    32 | July 22, 2009 4:18 pm

    re: #28 by song_and_dance_man

    Not really – they were a defeated people – Europeans, at that!

    We are not those people. I believe we will come to blows, if not over this (if it passes) then some other overreach of these marxists!

    People forgot how bad it was in the 70’s. that’s why we basically had 35 years of GOP control in one way or another. Like in the 90’s, people keep forgetting how slimy democraps really are and they never learn. They use the same playbook every time they get any power.


  33. vapig
    33 | July 22, 2009 4:20 pm

    re: #30 by no2liberals

    Oh – I’ve been blabbing this everywhere I can possibly think of! I think it’s that important!

    This is the destruction of our very way of life!


  34. no2liberals
    34 | July 22, 2009 4:20 pm

    I will tell everyone.
    Think Gary Oldman.


  35. song_and_dance_man
    35 | July 22, 2009 4:22 pm

    re: #31 by no2liberals

    True. And just like Hitler he said exactly what he intended to do prior to being elected. And that is why I say it’s 1938 all over again.

    But I wouldn’t go so far as to say B. Hussein doesn’t lie, but his evasions should raise a red flag for everyone who isn’t paying attention.

    Alas voters for the most part are ignorant of the facts and that is a shame that 51% chose to vote for this Marxist monster.


  36. vapig
    36 | July 22, 2009 4:22 pm

    re: #27 by RickMZ

    I wonder how this punk can actually get away with saying this BS? Donks own the House, Senate and White House. If they had the freakin votes they’d shove it through just like they’ve shoved everything else down our throats over the last few months.

    It’s his donks that are rebelling!


  37. no2liberals
    37 | July 22, 2009 4:23 pm

    re: #33 by vapig
    It’s all we can do, at this point.
    I know you will probably be gone before I get back, as I will be quite involved in posting this and emailing.
    Thanks again for bringing this to our attention.


  38. 38 | July 22, 2009 4:24 pm

    re: #27 by RickMZ

    Obama’s e-mail to me.

    Dear Friend,

    As you read this, we are closer than ever to passing comprehensive health insurance reform that benefits American families and small businesses. Despite all the back and forth in the news right now, it is important to understand just how far we’ve come in this challenging process.

    That’s why I’m holding a press conference tonight at 8pm ET, and writing to let everyone know where we are, what’s ahead, and why health insurance reform is so important.

    Let me be clear: although Congress is still debating parts of the legislation we have achieved critical consensus on several key areas:

    If you already have health insurance:

    reform will provide you with more security and stability. It will limit your own out of pocket costs and prevent your insurance company from dropping your coverage if you get too sick. You’ll also have affordable insurance options if you lose or change your job. And it will cover preventive care like check-ups and mammograms that save lives and money.

    If you don’t have health insurance: you will finally have guaranteed access to quality, affordable health care, and you can choose the plan that best suits your family’s needs. And no insurance company will be allowed to deny you coverage because of a pre-existing medical condition.

    Now, I realize that the last few miles of any race are the hardest to run, but we can’t stop now. There’s no dispute about it: we cannot control our long-term fiscal health as a nation without health insurance reform. American families and small businesses understand that the health insurance status quo is taking away those things that they value most about health care. The stability and security that comes with knowing that you can get the treatment you need, when you need it. Without reform, we are consigning our children to a future of skyrocketing premiums and crushing deficits.

    We have to seize this opportunity and pass health insurance reform this year. You can help by forwarding this email to your family and friends and letting them know what’s at stake in this debate.

    Thank you,
    Barack Obama

    P.S. Tune in to tonight’s press conference on health insurance reform at 8pm ET on WhiteHouse.gov.

    _________________________________________

    Personally, I am sick and tired of the “we have a problem, and our way is the only option to solve it, so you must just accept this one answer, and do it now before there is a horrible crisis or else you are for the crisis, and against America” argument from Government.


  39. no2liberals
    39 | July 22, 2009 4:24 pm

    re: #35 by song_and_dance_man
    Well, he lies so often, the little things he does tell the truth about are easily overlooked.
    Tonight will be a whopper-fest, fo’sho’.


  40. vapig
    40 | July 22, 2009 4:26 pm

    re: #34 by no2liberals

    GREAT clip!

    I think Gary Oldman is great! Great good guy – great bad guy! Believable as either!


  41. vagabond trader
    41 | July 22, 2009 4:27 pm

    re: #32 by vapig

    The 70s are fresh in my memory but I have never felt so oppressed by the government.This generation of young adults have been spoonfed by liberal schools, many of them actually desire government control.This is going to be a class and generation battle.


  42. song_and_dance_man
    42 | July 22, 2009 4:28 pm

    re: #32 by vapig

    Your optimism is encouraging, however one must come to the realization that a majority of voters put this extreme Socialist cum Marxist into the White House. That says a lot about the mentality of those who adore him without realizing just what he is.

    Anyway, we will all get another dose of him tonight for further examination. All except the FOX network, which according to my online cable guide, will not be covering it.


  43. vagabond trader
    43 | July 22, 2009 4:33 pm

    re: #42 by song_and_dance_man

    Cannot listen to the liar in chief.Easy formula: he says A,B is the truth.


  44. song_and_dance_man
    44 | July 22, 2009 4:34 pm

    re: #38 by WrathofG-d

    An impending crisis is always the springboard the left uses to move towards more socialism and power grabbing.

    BTW, I’m jealous. I’m not in B. Husseins contact list.


  45. 45 | July 22, 2009 4:36 pm

    re: #42 by song_and_dance_man

    Crowd: Yes we can!, Yes we can!, Yes we can!.

    Republican in the Crowd: What was the question?

    Liberal in the Crowd #1: Yes we can!

    Republican: Yes we can, what?

    Liberal Responding: Yes we can!

    Republican: I know, but what was the question?

    Liberal Responding: Yes we can!

    Republican: I heard you the first time, but “Yes we can”, what exactly? What was the question?

    Liberal: Yes we can…Hope & Change!

    Republican: Huh? That doesn’t even answer my question -or make sense for that matter. “Yes we can”, what? What about Hope? What sort of change?

    Liberal: Yes we can! Hope & Change! Yes, we can!

    YES WE CAN!


  46. RickMZ
    46 | July 22, 2009 4:37 pm

    re: #36 by vapig

    You know it, I know it, but so many don’t. Obama (and libtard astroturfers) still can’t acknowledge the Dems owned Congress since 2006 (when the economy starting showing warning signs then took an outright nosedive). As we both know, that was a period of time when Obama was supposedly a US Senator. Obama keeps blaming the current situation on ‘the last 8 years of failed policy’ crapola. Bush’s unemployment was around 5% (even with something as terrible as 9/11), and Obama’s doing a wonderful job of doubling and tripling that. But he will still blame Bush, and I know that ‘blame game’ is getting old with Americans (I knew it was old with me over a year ago).


  47. song_and_dance_man
    47 | July 22, 2009 4:42 pm

    re: #45 by WrathofG-d

    Shades of Horst Wessel.


  48. vapig
    48 | July 22, 2009 4:42 pm

    re: #41 by vagabond trader

    {VT}

    Yeah – but they are spoiledassedpussies! We, on the other hand, actually used to go outside and brave the world.

    At this point I really just want to split the country and let them have their utopia and us patriots get the other half!

    Mass population movements will be necessary, but it’ll be worth it. We get DC (once it’s been cleaned out) and they get SF for their capital!

    In a generation or two, we can then reclaim the land.


  49. vapig
    49 | July 22, 2009 4:45 pm

    re: #37 by no2liberals

    Thanks! You’re welcome! You’re a Good Egg!

    Keep up the Good Fight!


  50. vagabond trader
    50 | July 22, 2009 4:46 pm

    Sent my congress crook a note today and told him I know we are being lied to by politicians when they are exempt from mandates they command us to obey.


  51. 51 | July 22, 2009 4:47 pm

    re: #47 by song_and_dance_man

    I’ve told this story here before, but in short, I have actually had policy discussion with Obama fans here in LA.

    My most frustrating actually ended with the other person stating “Yes we can!, it is just Hope and Change in action!” (In response to a discussion about Obama’s foreign policy – particularly Israel, and Iran. Thus, the response wasn’t related to the conversation)

    It is a mindless cult of personality, and actual brainwashing in many cases.

    The throngs of crowds chanting “yes we can” automatically reminded me of the Germans mindlessly chanting “Sieg Heil”. It is standard mass population control. (I am not stating that Obama supporters are Nazis – far from it. Just commenting on the mass population brainwash)


  52. vapig
    52 | July 22, 2009 4:48 pm

    re: #42 by song_and_dance_man

    Buck up, Buddy! Most people just got worn down by the constant, depressing drum beat of the media. Bush didn’t always do thing right, be we all had a good life in the last 8 years, dispite 9/11 and two wars (one war – two fronts) being fought.

    Once things really go into the crapper people will wake up. They are already waking up. Congress didn’t selve the crap & tax bill because they thought it was a bad bill. The shelved it because they are becoming afraid of us.

    As they should be!


  53. song_and_dance_man
    53 | July 22, 2009 4:51 pm

    re: #46 by RickMZ

    It’s all about bringing America to the brink of a real crisis that will necessitate the fundamental change (the Change of Hope and Change) to our country that B. Hussein campaigned on. There is rhyme and reason why B. Hussein is attempting to nationalize so many critical industries. The Health Care bill is the coup de tant. It will in effect give the Fed the means to dictate the way business in governed at the federal level for starters and give precedence for further socialist intervention.


  54. vagabond trader
    54 | July 22, 2009 4:56 pm

    re: #51 by WrathofG-d

    Same church,different pews, mind control light.I did notice that at my local super grocery store the Obama literary/ephemera shrine has finally been supplanted by……..Michael Jackson.


  55. vapig
    55 | July 22, 2009 4:56 pm

    re: #51 by WrathofG-d

    That brainwashing started when the libs gained control of the schools. Can you imagine being subjected to that for some 20 years? Only strong, well grounded young people would even have a chance of surviving that!

    Add to that the constant onslaught of music, movies and the news all echoing the same mantra…


  56. 56 | July 22, 2009 4:57 pm

    re: #53 by song_and_dance_man

    Do you know the Abortion angle on this health care plan? If the Gov is calling the shots, won’t that remove the individual hospital, or doctors right to choose whether or not to perform a Gov Health Care Funded Abortion?

    Yes We Can! (although maybe we shouldn’t!)


  57. song_and_dance_man
    57 | July 22, 2009 4:57 pm

    re: #52 by vapig

    True about the Cap and Trade bill, but still B. Hussein and his minions were still able to somewhat nationalize the Mortgage and Automaker Industry.

    Think about it. Just what are the big industries in America. B. Hussien is going after.


  58. RickMZ
    58 | July 22, 2009 4:58 pm

    re: #50 by vagabond trader

    “We are being lied to by politicians when they exempt themselves from mandates they command us to obey.”

    FIFY because, honestly, it’s a great sentence, short and right to the point. It is perfect for emails to aristocratic Congressbastards. Lets them know we are onto their game. And we are not amused. I’m stealing it for emails to my two Senatebastards, Gillian and (Bride of) Chucky Schumer. Will also drop an email to my Representativebastard, Joseph Crowley. Thanks. You really put it chrystal clear, just like I think it – buuuut didn’t quite have down right.


  59. vagabond trader
    59 | July 22, 2009 4:59 pm

    re: #48 by vapig

    {Vapig!} I’m in,what part do the leftists get?


  60. vapig
    60 | July 22, 2009 5:00 pm

    re: #54 by vagabond trader

    Ew! How did we ever allow those morons to get control of the culture?


  61. song_and_dance_man
    61 | July 22, 2009 5:01 pm

    re: #56 by WrathofG-d

    I don’t know.

    Could you cite the provisional text?


  62. 62 | July 22, 2009 5:03 pm

    re: #53 by song_and_dance_man

    Indeed.

    Did you see the list of the Czars? All of them beholden only to Obama.

    As of July 1

    1. Technology Czar: Aneesh Chopra.
    2. Drug Czar: Gil Kerlikowske
    3. Copyright Czar: Not appointed yet. .
    4. Energy Czar: Carol M. Browner
    5. Car Czar: Ed Montgomery.
    6. Terrorism/WMD Czar: Gary Samore.
    7. Health Care Czar: Nancy-Ann DeParle.
    8. Education Czar: Not appointed yet.
    9. Economic Czar: Paul Volcker.
    10. Mortgage Czar: Not appointed yet.
    11. Urban Affairs/Housing Czar: Adolfo Carrion.
    12. Guantanomo closure Czar: Danny Fried.
    13. Great lakes Czar: Cameron Davis.
    14. Stimulus accountability Czar: Earl Devaney.
    15. Cyberspace Czar: Not appointed yet.
    16. Border Czar: Alan Bersin (Former US attorney).
    17. Intelligence Czar: Admiral Dennis Blair.
    18. Regulatory Czar: Cass Sunstein.
    19. Pay Czar: Kenneth Feinberg
    20. Iran Czar: Not appointed yet.
    21. Tarp Czar: Herb Allison.
    22. Middle-East peace Czar: George Mitchell.
    23. Science Czar: John Holdren.
    24. Green jobs Czar: Van Jones.
    25. Afghanistan Czar: Richard Holbrooke.
    26. Sudan Czar: J. Scott Gration.
    27. Mideast policy Czar: Dennis Ross.
    28. Information Czar: Vivek Kundra.
    29. AIDS Czar: Jeffrey Crowley.
    30. Faith-based Czar: Joshua Dubois.
    31. Climate Czar: Todd Stern.

    I’m gonna get a post together with links to all these slugs.

    I got these from Bonz at the new GCP.


  63. vapig
    63 | July 22, 2009 5:05 pm

    re: #57 by song_and_dance_man

    That’s easy – all of them. The crap & tax is going after the energy companies – all of them. That effectively controls US and how we live our lives. Also, our mobility. They hate that we can leave a socialist-state-run hell hole.

    The healthcare crap is so they can take the rest and control our bodies. What we eat, drink, smoke….

    Somehow, they are going to control what we can live in or where. They’ve already broke the Constitution of property rights. I can see them taking my home because I live alone and giving it to an illegal family with children.

    I’ll be forced into a studio because I live alone.

    Anyway, my point is that he got his way on the first stuff because people were afraid and he said he could fix it – he didn’t. Now people are even more afraid and no longer trust him to fix it – because they already know he’s making it worse.

    Now, donks are afraid for their jobs and balking. We need to keep the pressure on!


  64. vagabond trader
    64 | July 22, 2009 5:05 pm

    re: #58 by RickMZ

    You are welcome. I got the idea from someone else, my words.Also included the cap and tax rubbish as an example since we know the special peeps are not required to “go green.”

    You know, I’m here in uber liberal Connecticut,but people are even getting pretty ripped here.There is a group meeting every Wednesday in front of Joe Courtneys office, protesting. I’ll be joining them next week.


  65. song_and_dance_man
    65 | July 22, 2009 5:05 pm

    re: #51 by WrathofG-d

    It’s the grandfathering phenomena of voter affiliation. My dad was a (D) just because his parents were and voted the party line, even when what was planked by his candidate violated his personal opinion.

    I broke from that crap with Reagan and my dad had a hard time dealing with it. “We are Democrats”, was his response while ignoring what was most important in Reagans message.


  66. 66 | July 22, 2009 5:06 pm

    re: #61 by song_and_dance_man

    I haven’t read the bill, I was just wondering. I figure that since Health care is going to be Gov run now, I would assume that it would affect a no longer private doctor or hospitals right to say “no” to performing Abortions.


  67. 67 | July 22, 2009 5:06 pm

    re: #63 by vapig

    Anyone comes into my house with orders to seize it will be met by lethal force.


  68. vagabond trader
    68 | July 22, 2009 5:07 pm

    re: #62 by savage

    Unreal,has a sinister look to it all in neat lines.You can be sure that each and every one is a moonbat.Treason.


  69. vapig
    69 | July 22, 2009 5:11 pm

    re: #62 by savage

    I thought he was up to close to 40 now?

    Anyway – it’s a shadow government. These will be his SS officers, his enforcers.


  70. vapig
    70 | July 22, 2009 5:13 pm

    re: #64 by vagabond trader

    Connecticut, eh? Now that gives me real hope.

    I want the Californians and New Yorkers to go apeshit over this. Once that happens, we’ll be on the right track as a nation!


  71. RickMZ
    71 | July 22, 2009 5:13 pm

    Vagabond,

    Another thing just hit me. This is starting to remind me of the Brit series, The Prisoner, right down to the Village’s propaganda rag and the Orwellian doublespeak. How long before Number 6’s lament, “I am not a number, I am a FREE MAN!”, will be ours as well. We already have a President who bows to the Sowdi king. Scary shit’s coming down if these . . . weapons of suicidal destruction are ever passed. Even with changes, ever passed. We are becoming Rome, with elites no longer willing to protect themselves. (So let’s hire some tribal barbarians to protect us!)


  72. 72 | July 22, 2009 5:14 pm

    re: #66 by WrathofG-d

    To my knowledge, abortions will be MANDATED by the Feds.

    This smacks of payback to NARAL.


  73. song_and_dance_man
    73 | July 22, 2009 5:14 pm

    re: #62 by savage

    aladam, B. Hussein is up to 31?

    And true, they are not accountable to the Congress. They run at the privilege of the POTUS.

    I would like to know what POTUS started this trend, along with the Executive Orders. They should be impeached posthumous, and for the living- right now.


  74. vagabond trader
    74 | July 22, 2009 5:14 pm

    re: #66 by WrathofG-d Oh yeah, hes tight with NARAL, PP, abortions on demand like it or not, taxpayer funded.


  75. 75 | July 22, 2009 5:14 pm

    re: #69 by vapig

    No, the total will be 34


  76. vapig
    76 | July 22, 2009 5:15 pm

    re: #67 by savage

    Unless they catch me by surprise, I fully expect I will be carried out in a body-bag. I just hope to take a few of them with me!


  77. 77 | July 22, 2009 5:16 pm

    re: #73 by song_and_dance_man

    Executive orders go back to Jefferson, I think


  78. song_and_dance_man
    78 | July 22, 2009 5:16 pm

    re: #62 by savage

    Middle East Czar – George Mitchell?

    You got to be mother father allahing me.


  79. 79 | July 22, 2009 5:18 pm

    re: #76 by vapig

    Be careful, those skunks over at LGF are watching us.

    Oh, hi, Irish Rose, you stupid cow. Nice of you to call someone a fascist for telling the truth.


  80. vapig
    80 | July 22, 2009 5:19 pm

    re: #73 by song_and_dance_man

    Don’t know, but Reagan had 3. I imagine he did it because he had a donk congress and needed to get stuff done. They (donks) have gone hogwild with the precedent.


  81. vagabond trader
    81 | July 22, 2009 5:21 pm

    re: #70 by vapig

    His work “brothers” too. Today there was much discontent heard at the firehouse from young twerps who voted for Hussein. And they have no idea how deep this pit goes.

    NY, gah, they are drowning in debt. Get this, I used to do retail business there on occasion the last 20 years, have to file sales tax every quarter. Owed them nadda, but file I must. One week late, nothing owed,never tardy, ever, and they send me a six page nastygram demanding 50 bucks fine and threatening to put a lien on my property and ruin my credit if it isn’t coughed up.The carbon footprint and waste of paper, enormous, for $50.00. They are desperate.


  82. 82 | July 22, 2009 5:22 pm

    re: #79 by savage

    Watching us specifically now, or generally?


  83. RickMZ
    83 | July 22, 2009 5:23 pm

    re: #73 by song_and_dance_man

    I would like to know what POTUS started this trend, along with the Executive Orders.

    Executive orders have been around forever.

    As for czars, I do remember one that became a cabinet level position, Energy. It was a necessary addition to the Cabinet that did not exist previously. So once in a while they are good, but there should never be a ‘czar’ when there is an existing Cabinet level position (who must be approved by the Senate). This end run around the Constitution is a fine example of Obama’s scholarship skillz.


  84. vagabond trader
    84 | July 22, 2009 5:23 pm

    Hey Mr Johnson, not so trusting of Wiki anymore I see. Bwhahahahahahaha! Did your girl Sharmuta get the memo?

    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


  85. vapig
    85 | July 22, 2009 5:24 pm

    re: #79 by savage

    DC is just a few miles away. I don’t believe I overstate the threat. I believe these fascists are capable of just those sorts of tactics.

    Remember what Clinton did to that Cuban kid? Black clad specials ops breaking into a home and physically stealing a child in the dead of night?

    Well BO is way worse than Clinton!


  86. 86 | July 22, 2009 5:26 pm

    re: #78 by song_and_dance_man

    Oh, you think that’s scary? Get a load of the pick for Information Czar.

    Cass Sunstein

    That fucker wants to do this:

    Cass Sunstein, a Harvard Law professor who has been appointed to a shadowy post that will grant him powers that are merely mind-boggling, explicitly supports using the courts to impose a “chilling effect” on speech that might hurt someone’s feelings. He thinks that the bloggers have been rampaging out of control and that new laws need to be written to corral them.

    Advance copies of Sunstein’s new book, “On Rumors: How Falsehoods Spread, Why We Believe Them, What Can Be Done,” have gone out to reviewers ahead of its September publication date, but considering the prominence with which Sunstein is about to be endowed, his worrying views are fair game now. Sunstein is President Obama’s choice to head the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. It’s the bland titles that should scare you the most.

    In “On Rumors,” Sunstein reviews how views get cemented in one camp even when people are presented with persuasive evidence to the contrary. He worries that we are headed for a future in which “people’s beliefs are a product of social networks working as echo chambers in which false rumors spread like wildfire.” That future, though, is already here, according to Sunstein. “We hardly need to imagine a world, however, in which people and institutions are being harmed by the rapid spread of damaging falsehoods via the Internet,” he writes. “We live in that world. What might be done to reduce the harm?”

    And he’s married to Samantha Power, that vile and repulsive neo-Nazi


  87. song_and_dance_man
    87 | July 22, 2009 5:27 pm

    re: #63 by vapig

    I agree to an extent. This dude has the media(for whatever reason are on the slouching bandwagon -it is an enigma) and a dwindling majority that love him in spite of what they really know about him, but still, vapig, the reality is, he was able to push through the TARP bill and the overthrow of two critical American industries and socialized them.

    He may, and most likely, fail at socializing the Medicinal industry, but that will not stop him from trying to implement his change and hope for others areas of society.

    Why so many ignored our warning that B. Hussein was a most dangerous man is lost on me? I guess it is because we are not NYT’s writers.


  88. vagabond trader
    88 | July 22, 2009 5:29 pm

    re: #86 by savage

    Yes, this needs to be passed around too.They don’t need no steenking Fairness Doctrine, just issue a fatwa. The guy is a soft spoken nutter, believes animals should be able to sue their owners!Very tight with The Obama,scareee.


  89. song_and_dance_man
    89 | July 22, 2009 5:32 pm

    re: #77 by savage

    Really? I didn’t know that. I would venture a guess they had none of the import they now have.


  90. vapig
    90 | July 22, 2009 5:37 pm

    re: #81 by vagabond trader

    From what I hear, the entire state is emptying out. Outside of the city is becoming a wasteland.

    Good news? The demographics of surrounding states may start to change since the conservatives in states controlled by one city in the entire state, can’t stand it anymore.


  91. RickMZ
    91 | July 22, 2009 5:38 pm

    re: #87 by song_and_dance_man

    Why so many ignored our warning that B. Hussein was a most dangerous man is lost on me? I guess it is because we are not NYT’s writers readers.

    Nor do we watch the alphabet soup network ‘news’. The Fellato Media’s propaganda mojo is strong for those who do not take the time to look (on the ‘net) beyond the soundbite. I blame it on the educrats not teaching critical thinking (along with the elderly who have been spoonfed the news their entire lives). 52% voted for this clown, and they weren’t all black. A bunch of morons pulled the lever for the ‘young, hip, black dud(e)’. When has a President’s past ever been such a matter of National Security as the blackout we have seen with Obama?


  92. song_and_dance_man
    92 | July 22, 2009 5:38 pm

    re: #83 by RickMZ

    Thanks for the info. I can see the need, from your example, why one needs to be appointed by a POTUS to cover an area of policy/concern that previously had no representation in federal governance.

    That alone sheds light on B. Husseins lust for power and consolidation within the Executive for the benefit of his preeminence.


  93. vagabond trader
    93 | July 22, 2009 5:41 pm

    re: #90 by vapig

    We’re a few billion in debt, waiting for the tax hammer to drop.It’ll be an income and energy hike no doubt.Very unfriendly to business and retirees. We’ll pack it in when we can sell.


  94. vapig
    94 | July 22, 2009 5:41 pm

    re: #86 by savage

    Yep! Internet and talk radio (plus Fox News) are our only outlets. I see them being closed down.

    The left tolerate NO dissent!


  95. vapig
    95 | July 22, 2009 5:46 pm

    re: #87 by song_and_dance_man

    One, they (the masses) were just sick of the media droning on and on about Bus. They got Bush weary. That’s logical – even historical.

    However, McCain was also foisted upon us and he SUCKED!!!!! I know many here will disagree with me, but the only reason he (cCain) got as many votes as he did was because of Sarah Palin.

    She’s real. I don’t know if she is the one, but she’s Reaganesk in her honesty and love of the country. We haven’t had someone like that for a long time. The Bushes certainly weren’t cut from that cloth!


  96. song_and_dance_man
    96 | July 22, 2009 5:48 pm

    re: #86 by savage

    The suppression of truth? The Big Lie begins again?

    I am reminded of the 1.0 v. 2.0 views.

    The harmed institutions they fear are being violated are their very own social constructs built upon the foundation of lies.

    Sand makes for a weak foundation, but it is good to throw into the eyes of another that questions your tracts.

    In other words. They can’t handle the truth. The want to shut down us who speak of it and will do anything to stop us so they can move forward with their godless crap.


  97. vapig
    97 | July 22, 2009 5:50 pm

    re: #93 by vagabond trader

    You’d be welcome here in Virginia! We have lots of nice farmland, horse ranches, lakeside, cities or suburbia – whatever strikes your fancy!


  98. vagabond trader
    98 | July 22, 2009 5:51 pm

    re: #91 by RickMZ

    The elderly shock me, they have no idea the disdain this administration has toward them. Silly old fools will find out when it is too late.


  99. RickMZ
    99 | July 22, 2009 5:51 pm

    re: #92 by song_and_dance_man

    IIRC, Energy sprang from the Interior. Once energy was no longer solely an interior matter, like it used to be (Teapot-Dome anyone?), the need to split became apparent. Sort of like the USAAF becoming the USAF.

    The one ‘czar’ that scares me more than any other (and there are others), and which should never become a Secretary position, is the Cyberspace Czar. That is truly Orwellian.


  100. vagabond trader
    100 | July 22, 2009 5:54 pm

    re: #97 by vapig

    We’ll be checking things out in the fall. I like VA.,W.VA.and we have become semi rural.No more woodsy living though!Nice flat five acres with trees far from the homestead.Oh yeah!


  101. vapig
    101 | July 22, 2009 5:54 pm

    re: #99 by RickMZ

    They all scare me. They will, no doubt, be in charge of the brown shirts he will employ. The ones better armed that our military.


  102. vagabond trader
    102 | July 22, 2009 5:57 pm

    re: #101 by vapig

    All those criminals being released from California jails. Regular librals are not too good around weaponry.


  103. vapig
    103 | July 22, 2009 5:58 pm

    re: #100 by vagabond trader

    I think W.VA is nice, but very poor (donks in charge, you know). I’mm probably biased, but I think VA is just lovely! We have just those spreads you’re talking about.

    Plus – we PO’d and kicking the freaking donks OUT!!!

    I can tell you that most of VA of RED, RED, RED!! It’s only NOVA (northern Virginia – my area) that has gone purple. And that’s mostly because the socialist Mary-landers are fleeing their state because of the socialist hell-hole they’ve created and they’re bringing their politiKKKs with them!


  104. vapig
    104 | July 22, 2009 6:00 pm

    re: #102 by vagabond trader

    LOL! Yeah! To them only guns kill people – people don’t kill people!

    Well, I gotta go sweetie! Have a great evening!


  105. vagabond trader
    105 | July 22, 2009 6:02 pm

    re: #104 by vapig

    You too,don’t work too hard!!!

    ;-)


  106. song_and_dance_man
    106 | July 22, 2009 6:04 pm

    re: #91 by RickMZ

    I think you hit the nub for the young. I was in High School in the early 70’s and nary remember any lesson on the Constitution or our early Republic. Not to mention what it means to us.

    I agree, the Teachers are to blame. I didn’t need critical thinking teachers for my part since I was critical of right and wrong since I can remember, using the writings of Moses as a measure.

    The ‘hip, young, black dude’ thing you expressed also has warranted value because the notion of PC is indelibly ingrained (for the worse) and takes on bias against racism and the worship of the young, also for the worse.


  107. RickMZ
    107 | July 22, 2009 6:07 pm

    re: #103 by vapig

    It’s only NOVA (northern Virginia – my area) that has gone purple.

    I don’t think so. Richmond is quite blue. Tidewater is becoming more purple, despite the large military presence there. The newspaper I grew up with was quite conservative, but now is owned by the NYTimes. So not only has there been an increase of outsiders (with no understanding of the importance of the military to their economy) who want to enjoy the beach area, but the media has also diluted the red values. There are a lot of poor areas in places like Portsmouth, which always makes an area trend blue. Plus, the whole Tidewater area is growing like NoVa did decades ago: Unplanned chaos.


  108. song_and_dance_man
    108 | July 22, 2009 6:07 pm

    re: #95 by vapig

    I was always under the impression that Giuliani would have beaten B. Hussein. Why the conservatives for the sake of winning didn’t this surprises me still.


  109. song_and_dance_man
    109 | July 22, 2009 6:08 pm

    re: #95 by vapig

    And like you, Sarah really excites my conservative tendencies.


  110. vagabond trader
    110 | July 22, 2009 6:12 pm

    re: #108 by song_and_dance_man

    Honestly, I believe it was predetermined to have the black guy win.Sounds nutty, but McCain gave such an impossibly poor showing, he would have been buried if Sarah was not on the ticket.


  111. song_and_dance_man
    111 | July 22, 2009 6:16 pm

    re: #110 by vagabond trader

    McCain was the wrong choice and it was apparent since McCain/Feidgold.


  112. RickMZ
    112 | July 22, 2009 6:16 pm

    re: #106 by song_and_dance_man

    I think you hit the nub for the young. I was in High School in the early 70’s and nary remember any lesson on the Constitution or our early Republic. Not to mention what it means to us.

    Same here. 1974 high school grad. But I went to Catholic schools, so I was lucky. Plus I was in a conservative area, Norfolk/Tidewater. I grew up thinking everybody had been aboard an Open House on one of the docked ships. As a Boy Scout, I even got to go aboard a nuclear sub, which was a rare treat just for us scouts (not open to the general public, unlike the ships). (”This is where we run, do laps. We call it Sherwood Forest.” So I’ve patted a nuclear missile silo/tube on a sub. Banged the hell out of head, too. Not on the silo, of course.)

    Edit: And growing up where I did, I was quite close to Jamestown, Williamsburg, and Yorktown. Learning Virginia history was learning the importance of our Constitution, the early Republic, and what it means to us. I’ve been to the House of Burgesses, where many of our Founders started the idea of Revolution. If you ever get a chance to go to Williamsburg/Yorktown/Jamestown (they’re all pretty close to each other), go in the spring or the fall. It’s well worth it.


  113. song_and_dance_man
    113 | July 22, 2009 6:39 pm

    re: #112 by RickMZ\

    Dude, you were a Boy Scout. “Lucky” (channeling Napoleon Dynamite) I only made it to Webelos before the pack fell apart.

    We were required in the 8th grade, at that time, to take a Constitutional test and it was required to advance to High School. Without no data I’m convinced it is no longer required. alladam that was over 30 years ago.


  114. 114 | July 22, 2009 6:54 pm

    re: #113 by song_and_dance_man

    You only made it to Webelos? haha

    I made it all the way to Eagle Scout.

    24 merit badges too, so there!


  115. RickMZ
    115 | July 22, 2009 6:56 pm

    re: #113 by song_and_dance_man

    Dude, you were a Boy Scout. “Lucky” (channeling Napoleon Dynamite) I only made it to Webelos before the pack fell apart.

    Yep. Eagle w/ Bronze Palm, Ad Altare Dei, Order of the Arrow (Brotherhood level), World Jampboree in Japan. Scouting was bery, bery good to me. My Mom even took my patrol camping quite often (she liked not having to cook for a weekend). I did break my arm as a Cubbie. Fell of a rope swing with a stick for a seat. The swing went out over a gully, so there was some distance to the ground. Fell once, brushed myself off, and went again. Fell and broke my arm. Good times, good times.


  116. song_and_dance_man
    116 | July 22, 2009 7:05 pm

    re: #114 by savage

    Yeah the Scout Mother was thrown out because of nepotism. Her sons were…well..chosen and they lost it all.

    re: #115 by RickMZ

    I wanted to move forward but the other packs were too far away. So I started dancing instead.

    I wish I would have insisted adamantly on going forward, but my dad resisted my involvement with the Scouts and dancing school as well.

    Nevertheless, good for you guys that made Scouts a good choice.


  117. song_and_dance_man
    117 | July 22, 2009 7:15 pm

    re: #115 by RickMZ

    World Jamboree in Japan? Now that must be something that will never be forgotten.


  118. RickMZ
    118 | July 22, 2009 7:16 pm

    re: #116 by song_and_dance_man

    Here’s something funny. Most patrols were ‘lions’, ‘tigers’, ‘bears’, etc., with patches and flags you bought at the scout store. My patrol was the only patrol I ever saw named the Road Runner Patrol, with ‘Beep!Beep!’ coming from a swirl of dust as our homemade shoulderpatch; our patrol flag had the cartoon character as well. I was always proud of that little bit of inconsequence, being unique and all.


  119. RickMZ
    119 | July 22, 2009 7:22 pm

    re: #117 by song_and_dance_man

    For lots of reasons. At 15, first cocktail in a restaurant (whiskey sour). First time I ever had a bar girl sit on my lap. And saw a plethora of temples, and some served sake. And we wore a uniform everywhere. The camping part of the Jamboree (11 days IIRC; 10 days broken in half between Tokyo and Kyoto) was hit by a typhoon, and we had to be evacuated. The children’s school where we ended up had some ladies serving us ‘evacuees’ some snacks, one of them being seaweed covered rice balls with a jellyfish center. That was not too popular to young Americans, especially when sushi hadn’t even been invented in the States yet.


  120. song_and_dance_man
    120 | July 22, 2009 7:43 pm

    re: #118 by RickMZ

    That is really great having a banner that was unique. I love that, that is being unique.

    re: #119 by RickMZ

    The mental image of a uniformed boy addressing the lap mount of a Japanese girl is well, (How can I say this gracefully?) dang, that the hell, and then right on!, and then what the hell.

    Of course this is the opinion of an older and seasoned mind.

    If I were 15 again I would say you were a lucky dude.

    But I have changed my mind about such things.


  121. RickMZ
    121 | July 22, 2009 8:03 pm

    re: #120 by song_and_dance_man

    And don’t forget, we’re talking Japanese here, so language was always a problem. On one of our free mornings, in Kyoto, I went to a tea shop (where I had my first warm towel experience [get that mind out of the gutter!]). Afterward, I wanted to cash some Traveler’s Checks. So I went to the first bank I saw. The doors were locked. There was an old lady washing down the front of the building/sidewalk. I figured I’d ask her, but she spoke no English. So there I was, trying to pantomime from my watch to the door, but I never got through to her my question (or she couldn’t get through to me her answer). So we bowed and smiled to each other, and I went my merry way.

    That trip really was one of those ‘trips of a lifetime’. A real adventure.


  122. song_and_dance_man
    122 | July 22, 2009 8:29 pm

    re: #121 by RickMZ

    It resounds to me as a trip of a lifetime.

    Man, I wish I had been there.


  123. RickMZ
    123 | July 22, 2009 8:48 pm

    And S&DM, at 15, I knew the significance of the bow, how far one goes depending upon courtesy or respect. That little old Japanese lady was in a kimono. Now I saw kimonos, but they were mostly on the elderly; most women wore western attire. I also knew enough to understand that this woman lived through WWII. She was small and frail, like one of my grandmothers. How could I not respect her? I remember giving her a very deep bow, which did seem to embarrass her a little.

    But there are so many stories from that trip. Playing pachinko, dining in a five-star hotel’s restaurant (accidently, we were looking for the basement cafeteria where we heard you could get good chow). Ended up having my first real veal parmigiana. Japanese veal. I still have fond memories of that meal. Even had a kobe steak. For 15, and only $150.00 in spending money, I had a blast. Even came home with Mikimoto pearls (from the store on the Ginza), 2 pendents of different design for barely toddler nieces, each containing one pearl. A pearl broach for my Mom, and pearl earrings for sister and SIL.

    With those gifts, I never had to even mention the more, uh, decadent stuff I did. Nothing really bad, but not something one shares with family. So at that age, I knew bribery worked, because no one assumed I had the money to do anything else. Which was fine by me. Don’t ask, don’t tell.

    Edit: And to conclude this thing, when I finally got home around eight in the evening, I talked for a bit, then was asleep around 10. When I stumbled out of bed the next ‘morning’, my Mom said, ‘Good afternoon, sunshine.’ I though she was kidding like she usually did when I slept late. She wasn’t. It was 3 p.m. That international date line stuff and lengthy plane ride all caught up at once. Longest I’ve ever slept. Without help.


  124. song_and_dance_man
    124 | July 22, 2009 9:03 pm

    re: #123 by RickMZ

    I can barely expound how much joy your story brings me.

    Being young and having great experiences are a great thing for the young. If I had the time this post would be replete with occasions that are, with the exception of oriental engagements, full of many youthful and satisfying trials.

    Man, as you, I loved my youth and had a great time at it.


  125. RickMZ
    125 | July 22, 2009 9:17 pm

    re: #124 by song_and_dance_man

    Ask me sometime about sleeping in a two-man pup tent during a typhoon. For days. (At breakfast, we’d huddle over cold canned cooked rice and be told, “Today’s events . . . are cancelled. Go back to bed.”) That sleeping bag never was the same.


  126. song_and_dance_man
    126 | July 22, 2009 9:31 pm

    re: #125 by RickMZ

    And that is exactly the thing I want to hear about most.

    Three of us set out to the Mojave Scenic Area and tented against a lava buttressed escarpment. It was just a mile from the popular Hole in the Wall.

    A strong storm gathered and we were caught in the midst of a deluge. We did escape but it entailed us abandoning camp and hydroplaning over one wash that must be forded to get us out and back to the highway.

    I know it pales compared to being confined to a tent for days, but it is close to having a reason to leave. We did, and barely escaped.

    Thinking about it now, we would have survived if we only moved to more comfortably ground, but the flash flood danger was most prominent in our minds at the time.


  127. Buffalobob
    127 | July 22, 2009 9:43 pm

    And all you hear from AARP is crickets. Do they not realize how many old farts will not be able to pay dues? They will be dead.


  128. RickMZ
    128 | July 22, 2009 9:54 pm

    Well, I guess we were in it for a day or two before the eye hit. Now each patrol rotated food duty, that is, going to a certain point to get the troop’s rations (40 people). During the storm, the guys who had to go out into the rain were literally drowned rats. The time it was my turn to go, the eye passed overhead, clear blue sky and sunshine. Me and the guy I was with skipped our way along. Shortly after we got back, the rain started again. Everybody hated us for that.

    My tent opened facing Fujiyama. Every morning I’d look out and see the mountain clear as a bell. By early afternoon, the peak was always clouded over.

    My tent opening also faced slightly downhill. Which, as you now know, was pretty crucial. Some guys whose tents opened up the grade were not so lucky. One night, we heard one tent holler over to another one, ‘How much water you got in your tent?’ The reply came back, ‘6 inches!’ Then I heard, ‘Move over. I’m floating out of my tent on my air mattress!’

    One night, we both heard some pounding and cursing. We looked out the flap and the storm had knocked over one tent, and the guy was out there stark naked, backlit by the lightening flashes, using a rock to pound in his tent stakes. Very ‘early cro-magnon’.

    It was a day or so after the eye passed, that we were ecacuated. I think it was only one day, but it sure was nice to be dry. And this story is one reason why I have no sympathy for Katrina ‘victims’. I was in a pup tent, inland, but really how far ‘inland’ can you go in Japan? I couldn’t just leave and I survived. They could but didn’t leave.

    Try getting dry after a soaking like that. We had clothes lines everywhere, trying to get sleeping bags to a condition of somewhat damp. When I got home, that duffel bag was rank, with mildew setting in. There wasn’t much I could do about it.

    And of course my family only heard snippets on the news of what was happening. To this day, they really have no idea what it was like. Cold canned cooked rice three times a day. Maybe we got something else canned, but there was no charcoal briquette cooking going on. But like I said, I survived. I didn’t eat well, but I did eat. Wasn’t fun at the time, but the attitude of everyone made it endurable. We were at a World Jamboree in Japan, how could we bitch about something so minor as a friggin’ typhoon? Be prepared and deal with it.


  129. 129 | July 23, 2009 5:25 am

    [...] (the blog where former members of Little Green Footballs went after Charles Johnson went crackers) has a great summary of HR 3200, section-by-section, and what it means to [...]


  130. 130 | July 23, 2009 6:07 am

    [...] “Inside the Health Care Bill, aka HR3200″ [...]


  131. RickMZ
    131 | July 23, 2009 7:08 am

    SAVAGE!

    Kevin Jackson has a video post up that shows Carnahan’s ‘response’.

    “Did the useless drone hem and haw its way out of answering?”

    It’s even better than that. He turns to his posse for an answer to the question only he can answer, then skips to another question. Aristocratic insouciance displayed for all to see.

    Carnahan Interview Pt II


  132. 132 | July 24, 2009 5:31 am

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  133. 133 | July 24, 2009 7:39 am

    [...] Reading through the Twitter posts from Peter Fleckstein, posted by Savage (Little Green Footballs, Inside the Health Care Bill, aka HR3200, July 22, 2009), that’s the thought that kept popping into my head: PG 425: SEC. 1233. [...]


  134. 134 | July 26, 2009 9:45 am

    [...] [...]


  135. 135 | July 28, 2009 3:50 pm

    [...] [...]


  136. 136 | August 5, 2009 10:00 am

    [...] promises Government-controlled healthcare: Inside Healthcare Bill H.R. 3200: Obama to Eliminate Private Insurance: White House Brushes off Health-Care Protests: CBS:  Are [...]


  137. Nonsequitur
    137 | August 8, 2009 9:34 am

    I won’t even read this – it’s obviously slanted and distorted (the tip was the snickering audience in the video). You have to realize that there is massive funding by the insurance industry to throw a wrench into the health care reform through their scare tactics (which are obviously effective). Insurance executives and investors are making several million dollar salaries on our backs (premiums). I’ve never heard any mention of eliminating private health insurance before this. So I just don’t believe it.


  138. no2liberals
    138 | August 8, 2009 12:06 pm

    re: #130 by Nonsequitur
    No, you shouldn’t bother to read it, your belief in what the problem is obviously gives you great comfort.


  139. Nonsequitur
    139 | August 9, 2009 6:29 am

    re: #131 by no2liberals
    I’m not sure about you but I have an open mind to the policies being written into this bill. While there may be some that don’t exactly fit my needs – because there is such a diverse population in this country – there is an obvious need to make changes to our healthcare system.

    You can take snippets of this legislation and spin it in such a way as to make it seem absurd… just as the media and politicians take snippets of a conversation out of context to do the same – whether liberal or conservative. As a whole, and in context, this bill is better than what we have now. It will provide a better choice and better coverage for all – a choice between private healthcare and public healthcare. We just have to figure out a way to make if fair and equitable based on lifestyle (i.e. healthy vs. non-healthy).


  140. m
    140 | August 9, 2009 7:40 am

    re: #132 by Nonsequitur

    There could be real “changes” to our healthcare system without all the bull the socialists are giving us.

    But never waste a crisis, eh?


  141. Nonsequitur
    141 | August 9, 2009 8:48 am

    re: #133 by m

    Unfortunately, there haven’t been any real “changes” so this debate should help move us from the status quo. Change is good!


  142. m
    142 | August 9, 2009 8:51 am

    re: #134 by Nonsequitur

    Not always.

    If THIS one is so great, why are federal employees exempt? I want the plan congress is on, as was promised.


  143. no2liberals
    143 | August 9, 2009 10:43 am

    re: #132 by Nonsequitur

    As a whole, and in context, this bill is better than what we have now.

    I couldn’t disagree more.
    This proposed legislation is the worst conceivable approach to the real problem facing our health care, which is cost, not accessibility. The bogus number of uninsured that keeps getting promoted is as big a whopper as any this administration has told in its short tenure.

    It will provide a better choice and better coverage for all – a choice between private healthcare and public healthcare.

    No…it doesn’t.
    Without free market competition, a government plan will be the default method.
    I posted a story on this subject here, a little while back.
    This is the most intrusive government policy ever introduced, and should alarm any freedom loving individual.
    That they are trying to foist this on us so quickly, should be enough of a warning, when the plan wouldn’t even be implemented until 2014. In the interim, additional federal commissions and bureaucracies would be busy writing the policies and procedures that are not in the legislation.
    If they are truly serious in Congress about reform, which really means lower costs to most Americans, they should start with tort reform.
    But they aren’t, this isn’t about health care, but is only an attempt to gain more government control over our lives.


  144. UGottaGetaGrip
    144 | August 12, 2009 5:59 am

    Health Care Issues??? Dr. Muney has a clue

    08 July 2009
    State Orders Dr. John Muney to Stop Treating Patients for $79/month

    by Dave C. Jones

    Folsom, CA – 5 March 2009 @ 0951 PST – I was listening to Tom Sullivan yesterday and heard about Dr. John Muney of New York and his innovative method of servicing those who cannot afford health insurance. In a nutshell, he charges his patients $79 per month plus $10 per visit. In other words, for about $1,000 per year, his patients do not have to worry about routine illnesses or anything else that can be taken care of in Dr. Muney’s offices.

    Who could possibly have a problem with that plan? Apparently, the New York state insurance regulators do. The state told Dr. Muney that his plan is an insurance policy and he has to be licensed to sell insurance.

    Give me a break. The government cries out of one side of its mouth that society has an obligation to ensure that every person has access to health care; then, out of the other side, it berates doctors who do something to make that goal a reality. What the government really wants is complete control of everything. If the government really cared about the people, New York state would have no problem with what Dr. Muney is doing. In fact, the state should be recommending that idea to doctors all over the state.

    Unfortunately, the state sees money running through its fingers. Rather than Dr. Muney submitting claims to Medicare, he collects cash. Rather than paying the state insurance licensing fees, he shuns insurance, enabling his patients to pay cash. The government worries that if all doctors did this, the government would not be able to continue employing people to process insurance, doctors could cut overhead by laying off insurance billers and accounts receivable employees, and the economy as we know it would end! Good grief.

    The bottom line is that what Dr. Muney is doing here is not conceptually different from what attorneys do when they allow clients to sign a retainer agreement. In essence, a retainer agreement secures the right of the client to call the attorney with any legal problems the retainer agreement says are covered and to have the attorney handle them for an agreed upon rate (either included in the retainer fee, hourly, or flat fee). The “client” may never call the attorney for advice, just as the “patient” may never come in to see Dr. Muney.

    I don’t know how Dr. Muney’s agreements are written or structured, but any good civil attorney should be able to help Dr. Muney modify his agreements so they are essentially putting him on retainer for each of his patients. The agreement would be that Dr. Muney would see the patient within X number of hours for any of the problems he can handle in his office for a retainer fee of $79/month and a flat $10 per problem.

    If the state still has problems with the arrangement, it must have a problem with attorney retainer agreements. And, if that is the case, I’m sure there are hundreds or thousands of attorneys who would step up and defend the retainer agreement in both law and medicine.

    It’s time that people see government for what it is—a leviathan that would rather take complete control of everything rather than fix anything. Just ask Dr. Muney’s patients.


  145. UGottaGetaGrip
    145 | August 12, 2009 6:03 am

    Who is rsponsible for our problems? I would ask all those ‘elected officials’ who make the laws……If they can remove corporate america from their annus…

    In 1996 we had a balanced budget

    We, The U.S. CONGRESS AND The Supreme Court of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare…

    2000-2008 Bush had a deficit of $585 Billion…Strike 1

    During Bush’s 8 years Republicans passed Bush’s budgets, even though Democrats voted no, they still got their share of ear marks. No one read the 1,200 page bill

    We, The U.S. CONGRESS AND The Supreme Court of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare…

    2009-2010 Obama has a deficit of $1.5 Trillion…Strike 2

    During Obama 1st 100 days Democrats passed Obama’s Stimulus and Cap and Trade Bill, even though Republicans voted no, they still got their share of ear marks. No one read the 1,200 page bill

    Our Current Credit Card Congress is burning through $1 BILLION every 90 min….Strike 3

    Sounds to me like the Party comes first and the America people come second, this is treasonous and should not be tolerated.

    Who is responsible?

    100 Senators
    435 Representatives
    9 Supreme Court Judges
    1 President
    545 Elected Officials share sole responsibility for our economy, welfare, security and health care.

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaigns against them.

    Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits?

    Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?

    You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The president does.

    You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations.

    The House of Representatives does.

    You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.

    You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.

    You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

    There is no distinctly Native American criminal class…save Congress. Mark Twain
    What this country needs are more unemployed politicians. Edward Langley, Artist (1928-1995)
    A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. Thomas Jefferson
    Our Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
    James Bovard, Civil Libertarian (1994)


  146. UGottaGetaGrip
    146 | August 12, 2009 6:04 am

    This is an article written by Charlie Reese, a former columnist for the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper. Very interesting perspective on the state of our Nation!

    545 PEOPLE…….By Charlie Reese

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

    Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits?

    Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?

    You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The president does.

    You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations.

    The House of Representatives does.

    You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.

    You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.

    You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators [60% are millionaires], 435 congressmen [40% are millionaires], one president [$400.000], and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. [There are over 40,000 lobbyists in Washington D.C]. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall and greed. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker [$225.000], who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

    The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

    If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.

    If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red.

    If the Marines are in IRAQ it’s because they want them in IRAQ.

    If the Marines are in AFGHANISTAN it’s because they want them in AFGHANISTAN.

    If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way. There are no insoluble government problems.

    Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like ‘the economy,’ ‘inflation,’ or ‘politics’ that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

    Those 545 people and they alone, are responsible. They and they alone, have the power.

    They and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

    We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!


  147. UGottaGetaGrip
    147 | August 12, 2009 6:05 am

    AIG bailout
    Remember when this economic crisis hit, and Congress let Bear Stearns go under, pushed a bunch of forced marriages between banks, etc.?
    Then they bailed out AIG. At the time, I thought: “That’s strange. What does an insurance company have to do with this crisis?”
    I think I just found the answer. Among other things,
    AIG INSURES THE PENSION TRUST OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS!!
    No wonder they got bailed out right away.
    To hell with the people, let’s protect our future, said all our Senators and Congressmen.
    Nice to see where their loyalties lie!


  148. UGottaGetaGrip
    148 | August 12, 2009 6:06 am

    The next time you hear a politician use the word ‘billion’ in a casual manner, think about whether you want the ‘politicians’ spending YOUR tax money.
    A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advertising agency did a good job of putting that figure into some perspective in one of it’s releases.

    A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.

    B. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.

    C. A billion hours ago our ancestors were living in the Stone Age.

    D. A billion days ago no-one walked on the earth on two feet.

    E. A billion dollars ago was only 8 hours and 20 minutes, at the rate our government is spending it.

    While this thought is still fresh in our brain, let’s take a look at New Orleans…It’s amazing what you can learn with some simple division.

    Louisiana Senator, Mary Landrieu (D) is presently asking Congress for
    250 BILLION DOLLARS to rebuild New Orleans . Interesting number…
    what does it mean?

    A. Well. if you are one of the 484,674 residents of New Orleans (every man, woman, and child) you each get $516,528.

    B. Or… if you have one of the 188,251 homes in New Orleans , your home gets $1,329,787.

    C. Or… if you are a family of four…your family gets $2,066,012.

    Washington, D. C Are all your calculators broken??

    Accounts Receivable Tax
    Building Permit Tax
    CDL License Tax
    Cigarette Tax
    Corporate Income Tax
    Dog License Tax
    Federal Income Tax
    Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
    Fishing License Tax
    Food License Tax
    Fuel Permit Tax
    Funereal Tax
    Gasoline Tax
    Hunting License Tax
    Inheritance Tax
    Inventory Tax
    IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
    IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
    Liquor Tax
    Luxury Tax
    Marriage License Tax
    Medicare Tax
    Property Tax
    Real Estate Tax
    Service charge taxes
    Social Security Tax
    Road Usage Tax (Truckers)
    Sales Taxes
    Recreational Vehicle Tax
    School Tax
    State Income Tax
    State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
    Telephone Federal Excise Tax
    Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
    Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax
    Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
    Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
    Telephone State and Local Tax
    Telephone Usage Charge Tax
    Utility Tax
    Vehicle License Registration Tax
    Vehicle Sales Tax
    Watercraft Registration Tax
    Well Permit Tax
    Workers Compensation Tax

    STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

    Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago…and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.

    We had absolutely no national debt…We had the largest middle class in the world…and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

    What happened? Can you spell ‘politicians!’

    And I still have to press ‘1′ for English.

    I hope this goes around the USA at least 100 times

    What the hell happened?????


  149. UGottaGetaGrip
    149 | August 12, 2009 6:07 am

    If this doesn’t bother you, then you should vote Democrat in the upcoming election

    Interesting, and this is only one State……………If this doesn’t open your eyes nothing will!

    From the L. A. Times

    1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10. 2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

    2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

    3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

    4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

    5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

    6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

    7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

    8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

    9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.

    10. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County.)

    (All 10 of the above are from the Los Angeles Times) Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare.

    Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from

    immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens. We are a bunch of fools for letting this continue.

    HOW CAN YOU HELP? Send copies of this letter to at least two other people 100 would be even better


  150. UGottaGetaGrip
    150 | August 12, 2009 6:08 am

    Subject: I voted Democrat because

    I voted Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I’ve decided to marry my horse.

    I voted Democrat because I believe oil companies’ profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn’t.

    I voted Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

    I voted Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

    I voted Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they’re doing because they now think we’re good people.

    I voted Democrat because I’m way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.

    I voted Democrat because I believe that people who can’t tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away In ten years if I don’t start driving a Prius.

    I voted Democrat because I’m not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.

    I voted Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.

    I voted Democrat because I believe liberal judges need to rewrite The Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their agendas past the voters.

    I voted Democrat because my head is so firmly planted up my ass that it is unlikely that I’ll ever have another point of view.

    “A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don’t own.”


  151. UGottaGetaGrip
    151 | August 12, 2009 6:09 am

    Hysterical, but Troubling!

    A Washington , DC airport ticket agent offers some examples of why our country is in trouble!

    1. I had a NC Congresswoman ask for an aisle seat so that her hair wouldn’t get messed up by being near the window. (On an airplane!)

    2. I got a call from a candidate’s staffer, who wanted to go to Capetown. I started to explain the length of the flight and the passport information, and then she interrupted me with, ‘I’m not trying to make you look stupid, but Capetown is in Massachusetts.’ Without trying to make her look stupid, I calmly explained, ‘Cape Cod is in Massachusetts. Capetown is in Africa .’

    3. A senior Vermont Congressman called, furious about a Florida package we did. I asked what was wrong with the vacation in Orlando . He said he was expecting an ocean-view room. I tried to explain that’s not possible, since Orlando is in the middle of the state. He replied, ‘Don’t lie to me, I looked on the map and Florida is a very thin state!’ (OMG)

    4. I got a call from a lawmaker’s wife who asked, ‘Is it possible to see England from Canada ?’ I said, ‘No.’ She said, ‘But they look so close on the map.’ (OMG, again!)

    5 . An aide for a cabinet member once called and asked if he could rent a car in Dallas . When I pulled up the reservation, I noticed he had only a 1-hour layover in Dallas . When I asked him why he wanted to rent a car, he said, ‘I heard Dallas was a big airport, and we will need a car to drive between gates to save time’ (Aghhhh)

    6. An Illinois Congresswoman called last week. She needed to know how it was possible th at her flight from Detroit left at 8:30 AM got to Chicago at 8:33 AM. I explained that Michigan was an hour ahead of Illinois , but she couldn’t understand the concept of time zones. Finally, I told her the plane went very, very fast, and she bought that.

    7. A New York lawmaker called and asked, ‘Do airlines put your physical description on your bag so they know whose luggage belongs to whom?’ I said, ‘No, why do you ask?’ She replied, ‘Well, when I checked in with the airline, they put a tag on my luggage that said (FAT), and I’m overweight. I think that’s very rude!’ After putting her on hold for a minute while I looked into it (I was laughing). I came back and explained the city code for Fresno , CA is (FAT – Fresno Air Terminal), and the airline was just putting a destination tag on her luggage.

    8. A Senator’s aide called to inquire about a trip package to Hawaii. After going over all the cost info, she asked, ‘Would it be cheaper to fly to California , and then take the train to Hawaii ?’

    9. I just got off the phone with a freshman Congressman who asked, ‘How do I know which plane to get on?’ I asked him what exactly he meant, to which he replied, ‘I was told my flight number is 823, but none of these planes have numbers on them.’

    10. A lady Senator called and said, ‘I need to fly to Pepsi-Cola , Florida. Do I have to get on one of those little computer planes?’ I asked if she meant fly to Pensacola , Fl. on a commuter plane. She said, ‘Yeah, whatever, smarty!’

    11. A senior Senator called and had a question about the documents he needed in order to fly to China . After a lengthy discussion about passports, I reminded him that he needed a visa. ‘Oh, no I don’t. I’ve been to China many times and never had to have one of those.’ I double checked and sure enough, his stay required a visa. When I told him this he said, ‘Look, I’ve been to China four times and every time they have accepted my American Express!’

    12. A New Mexico Congresswoman called to make reservations. ‘I want to go from Chicago to Rhino, New York .’
    I was at a loss for words. Finally, I said, ‘Are you sure that’s the name of the town?’ ‘Yes, what flights do you have?’ replied the lady. After some searching, I came back with, ‘I’m sorry, ma’am, I’ve looked up every airport code in the country and can’t find a Rhino anywhere. ‘The lady retorted, ‘Oh, don’t be silly! Everyone knows where it is. Check your map!’ So I scoured a map of the state of New York and finally offered, ‘You don’t mean Buffalo , do you?’ The reply – -’Whatever! I knew it was a big animal.’ Now you know why the Government is in the shape that it’s in


  152. UGottaGetaGrip
    152 | August 12, 2009 6:10 am

    By Rush Limbaugh:

    I think the vast differences in compensation between victims of the September 11 casualty and those who die serving our country in uniform are profound . No one is really talking about it either, because you just don’t criticize anything having to do with September 11. Well, I can’t let the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbing about the entitlement mentality of this country. If you lost a family member in the September 11 attack, you’re going to get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guar antee of $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million. If you are a surviving family member of an American soldier killed in action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half of which is taxable. Next, you get $1,750 for burial c osts. If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry. And there’s a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt. Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it’s not enough. Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers. (Actually, soldiers are put in harms way by politicians and commanding officers.) We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same deal that the September 11 families are getting. In addition to that, some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation as well. You see where this is going, don’t you? Folks, this is part and parcel of over 50 years of entitlement politics in this country. It’s just really sad. Every time a pay raise comes up for the military, they usually receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live in low-rent housing. Make sense? However, our own US Congress voted themselves a raise. Many of you don’t know that they only have to be in Congress one time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month. And most are now equal to being millionaires plus. They do not receive Social Security on retirement because they didn’t have to pay into the system. If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7, they may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed them in harm’s way receive a pension of $15,000 per month. I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now fighting . When do we finally do something about this? If this doesn’t seem fair to you, it is time to forward this to as many people as you can. How many people CAN YOU send this to? How many WILL YOU Send This To!!!! Love him or loathe him, he nailed this one right on the head……….


  153. UGottaGetaGrip
    153 | August 12, 2009 6:11 am

    Accounts Receivable Tax Auto Tax
    Building Permit Tax Burial Tax
    Capitol Gains Tax Capitol Stock Tax Carpet Tax CDL License Tax Cell Phone Tax Cigarette Tax Corporate Income Tax
    Dog License Tax
    Electricity Tax
    Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA) Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Fuel Permit Tax (Truckers) Funeral Expense Tax
    Gasoline Tax Some states have a Tax on groceries.
    Hunting License Tax
    Inheritance Tax Inventory Tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax) IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
    Liquor Tax Luxury Tax
    Marriage License Tax Medicare Tax Merchant’s Tax
    Occupation Tax Old Pension Tax
    Payroll Tax Processing Tax Property Tax
    Real Estate Tax Recreational Vehicle Tax Road Usage Tax (Truckers)
    Service charge Tax Social Security Tax Sales Tax School Tax State Income Tax State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
    Telephone Federal Excise Tax Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax Telephone State and Local Tax Telephone Usage Charge Tax
    Utility Tax
    Vehicle License Registration Tax Vehicle Sales Tax
    Water Tax Watercraft Registration Tax Well Permit Tax Workers Compensation Tax…..STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

    Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago…and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.

    We had absolutely no national debt…We had the largest middle class in the world… and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

    What happened? Can you spell ‘politicians!’ And I still have to press ‘1′ for English.

    I hope this goes around the USA at least 100 times What the heck happened?????


  154. UGottaGetaGrip
    154 | August 12, 2009 6:11 am

    Too Whom It May Concern: It is impossible for me to send you a check as you request. My present financial condition is somewhat fragile due to the effects of federal laws, state laws, county laws, corporation laws, bylaws, brother-in-laws, mother-in-laws, and outlaw’s, that have been foisted upon an unsuspecting public. Through the various laws I have been held down, held up, walked on, sat on, flattened and squeezed until I don’t know who I am, where I am, what I am, why I am or if I am.
    “These laws compel me to pay a Merchants’ Tax, Capitol Stock Tax, Real Estate Tax, Property Tax, Auto Tax, Water Tax, Sales Tax, Occupation Tax, Processing Tax, Gasoline Tax, Fuel Permit Tax, Personal Property Tax, State Income Tax, State Franchise Tax, Electricity Tax, Federal Income Tax, Payroll Tax, Old Age Pension Tax, Carpet Tax, Accounts Receivable Tax, Building Permit Tax, CDL License Tax, Cigarette Tax, Corporation Income Tax, Dog License Tax, Federal Unemployment Tax, Hunting License Tax, Inheritance Tax, Inventory Tax, Liquor Tax, Luxury Tax, Marriage License Tax, Medicare Tax, Social Security Tax, School Tax, Workers Compensation Tax, Utility Tax, Vehicle License Tax, Vehicle Registration Tax, Telephone Federal Excise Tax, Telephone State and Local Tax, Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax, Cell Phone Tax, State Unemployment Tax, and Road Usage Tax, [truckers] Funeral Expense Tax, Burial Tax and in some states there is a Tax on groceries. This is appalling and morally wrong and it has to stop.
    “I am suspected, inspected, disrespected, investigated, examined, re-examined until all I know is that I’m supplicated for money for every known need, desire, or hope of the so-called human race. And because I refuse to go out and beg, borrow or steal, I am cussed, discussed, boycotted, talked to, talked about, lied to, lied about, held up, held down, and robbed until I am plum ruined. As one who has been pumped, stumped, bumped, jumped, dumped, pained, strained, maimed, and brained by the IRS. I am able to empathize. However, I would gladly sign an IOU, PDQ, rather than live anywhere but in the USA. The only reason I’m clinging to life to see what is coming next”.


  155. UGottaGetaGrip
    155 | August 12, 2009 6:12 am

    A good fix for Social security …

    IT DOESN’T MATTER IF YOU ARE REPUBLICAN OR
    DEMOCRAT!

    KEEP IT GOING!!!!

    200 8 Election Issue!!

    GET A BILL STARTED TO PLACE ALL POLITICIANS ON SOC.
    SEC.

    This must be an issue in “200 8 “. Please! Keep it
    going.

    ———————————-

    SOCIAL SECURITY:
    (This is worth reading. It is short and to the
    point.)

    Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during
    election years.

    Our Senators and Congresswomen do not pay into
    Social Security and,
    of
    course, they do not collect from it.

    You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable
    for persons of
    their
    rare elevation in society. They felt they should have
    a special plan
    for
    themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their

    own benefit plan .

    In more recent years, no congressperson has felt
    the need to change
    it.
    After all, it is a great plan.

    For all practical purposes their plan works like
    this:

    When they retire, they continue to draw the same
    pay until they die.

    Except it may increase from time to time for cost
    of living
    adjustments..

    This is calculated on an average life span for each
    of those two
    Dignitaries. For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman
    White and their
    wives
    may expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that’s Seven
    Million, Eight-Hundred
    Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing
    $275,000.00 during the last
    years of their lives.

    Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age,
    will receive much
    more
    during the rest of their lives.

    Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00.
    NADA….ZILCH….

    This little perk they voted for themselves is free
    to them. You and
    I
    pick up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine
    retirement plan
    come
    directly from the General Funds;

    “OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK”!

    >From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I
    pay (or have
    paid)
    into,-every payday until we retire (which amount is
    matched by our
    employer)-we can expect to get an average of $1,000
    per month after
    retirement.

    Or, in other words, we would have to collect our
    average of $1,000
    monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to
    equal Senator! Bill
    Bradley’s benefits!

    Social Security could be very good if only one
    small change were
    made.

    That change would be to:

    Jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under
    the Senators and
    Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan
    with the rest of us

    then sit back…..

    and watch how fast they would fix it.

    If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of
    awareness will be
    planted
    and maybe good changes will evolve.

    How many people can YOU send this to? Better
    yet…..
    How many people WILL you send this to??


  156. UGottaGetaGrip
    156 | August 12, 2009 6:13 am

    The Speech of a Lifetime – We are all waiting for this day

    WOULDN’T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?

    My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of Iraq regime has been completed.

    Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete.

    This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now to begin the reckoning.

    Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short. The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of the countries listed there.

    The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the world’s nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists later this evening.

    Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely . The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war.

    T he American people are no longer going to pour money into third world Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.

    Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.

    In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home. On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth.

    Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe China..

    I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France, Germany, and Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are retiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis.

    I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I don’t care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York

    A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us off for a change.

    Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple extra tank and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am going to put em? Yep, border security. So start doing something with your oil.

    Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA
    treaty – starting now.

    We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we’ll be drilling for oil in Alaska – which will take care of this country’s oil needs for decades to come. If you’re an environmentalist who opposes this decision, I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move there. They care.

    It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens. Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, “darn tootin.”

    Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about ev eryone on the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time to eliminate homelessness in America. It is time to eliminate World Cup Soccer from America. To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We owe you and we won’t forget.

    To the nations on List 2, a final thought: You might want to learn to speak Arabic.

    God bless America. Thank you and good night.

    If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.

    (Please forward this to at least ten friends and see what happens! Let’s get this to every USA computer!)


  157. UGottaGetaGrip
    157 | August 12, 2009 6:13 am

    Boy, if this doesn’t hit the nail on the head, I don’t know what does.

    Two patients limp into two different medical clinics with the same complaint. Both have trouble walking and appear to require a hip replacement. The FIRST patient is examined within the hour, is x-rayed the same day and has a time booked for surgery the following week.

    The SECOND patient sees his family doctor after waiting 3 weeks for an appointment, then waits 8 weeks to see a specialist, then gets an x-ray, which isn’t reviewed for another week, and finally has his surgery scheduled for a month from then.

    Why the different treatment for the two patients?

    The FIRST is a Golden Retriever……The SECOND is a Senior Citizen

    Next time take me to a vet…


  158. UGottaGetaGrip
    158 | August 12, 2009 6:14 am

    Windfall Tax on Retirement Income

    Adding a tax to your retirement is simply another way of saying to the American people, you’re so darn stupid that we’re going to keep doing this until we drain every cent from you. That’s what the Speaker of the House is saying.

    Read below……………

    Nancy Pelosi wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income. In other words tax what you have made by investing toward your retirement. This woman is a nut case! You aren’t going to believe this.

    Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401K and Mutual Funds! Alas, it is true – all to help the 12 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities!

    This woman is frightening. She quotes…’ We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income, (didn’t Marx say something like this?), in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest.’ (I am not rich, are you?)

    When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied: ‘We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as ‘Americans’.’ (Read that quote again and again and let it sink in.) ‘Lower your retirement, give it to others who have not worked as you have for it’.

    Send it on to your friends. I just did!! This lady is out of her mind and she is the speaker of the house!


  159. UGottaGetaGrip
    159 | August 12, 2009 6:15 am

    Why I Carry a Gun….My old grandpa said to me, son,’ there comes a time in every man’s life when he stops bustin’ knuckles and starts bustin’ caps and usually it’s when he becomes too old to take an ass whoopin’. I don’t carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed. I don’t carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place. I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world. I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world. I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government. I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry. I carry a gun so that I don’t have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared. I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon. I don’t carry a gun because I’m a cowboy. I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy. I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love. I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate I don’t carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me. Police Protection is an oxymoron. Free citizens must protect themselves. Police do not protect you from crime, they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and then call someone in to clean up the mess. Personally, I carry a gun because I’m too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin’..author unknown (but obviously brilliant). I carry a gun because I can’t carry a cop.


  160. UGottaGetaGrip
    160 | August 12, 2009 6:16 am

    Folks, This just about says it all, and I admire the teacher who wrote it. Even if you voted for the our current President, you surely are beginning to have doubts about for whom, and what he stands.

    April 17, 2009

    The White House

    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW Washington , DC 20500

    Mr. Obama:

    I have had it with you and your administration, sir. Your conduct on your recent trip overseas has convinced me that you are not an adequate representative of the United States of America collectively or of me personally. You are so obsessed with appeasing the Europeans and the Muslim world that you have abdicated the responsibilities of the President of the United States of America . You are responsible to the citizens of the United States. You are not responsible to the peoples of any other country on earth. I personally resent that you go around the world apologizing for the United States telling Europeans that we are arrogant and do not care about their status in the world. Sir, what do you think the First World War and the Second World War were all about if not the consideration of the peoples of Europe ? Are you brain dead? What do you think the Marshall Plan was all about? Do you not understand or know the history of the 20th century? Where do you get off telling a Muslim country that the United States does not consider itself a Christian country? Have you not read the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the United States ? This country was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics and the principles governing this country, at least until you came along, come directly from this heritage. Do you not understand this? Your bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia is an affront to all Americans. Our President does not bow down to anyone, let alone the king of Saudi Arabia . You don’t show Great Britain, our best and one of our oldest allies, the respect they deserve yet you bow down to the king of Saudi Arabia . How dare you, sir! How dare you! You can’t find the time to visit the graves of our greatest generation because you don’t want to offend the Germans but make time to visit a mosque in Turkey . You offended our dead and every veteran when you give the Germans more respect than the people who saved the German people from themselves. What is the matter with you? I am convinced that you and the members of your administration have the historical and intellectual depth of a mud puddle and should be ashamed of yourselves, all of you. You are so self-righteously offended by the big bankers and the American automobile manufacturers yet do nothing about the real thieves in this situation, Mr. Dodd, Mr. Frank, Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelic, the Fannie Mae bonuses, and the Freddie Mac bonuses. What do you intend to do about them? Anything? I seriously doubt it. What about the U.S. House members passing out $9.1 million in bonuses to their staff members on top of the $2.5 million in 20 automatic pay raises that lawmakers gave themselves? I understand the average House aide got a 17% bonus. I took a 5% cut in my pay to save jobs with my employer. You haven’t said anything about that. Who authorized that? I surely didn’t! Executives at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be receiving $210 million in bonuses over an eighteen-month period, that’s $45 million more than the AIG bonuses. AIG INSURES THE PENSION TRUST OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS!! In fact, Fannie and Freddie executives have already been awarded $51 million not a bad take. Who authorized that and why haven’t you expressed your outrage at this group who are largely responsible for the economic mess we have right now. I resent that you take me and my fellow citizens as brain-dead and not caring about what you idiots do. We are watching what you are doing and we are getting increasingly fed up with all of you. I also want you to know that I personally find just about everything you do and say to be offensive to every one of my sensibilities. I promise you that I will work tirelessly to see that you do not get a chance to spend two terms destroying my beautiful country.

    Sincerely,
    Every real American

    P.S. I rarely ask that emails be ‘passed around’…PLEASE SEND THIS TO YOUR EMAIL LIST…it’s past time for all Americans to wake up!

    Ms Kathleen Lyday Fourth Grade Teacher Grandview Elementary School
    11470 Hwy. C Hillsboro , MO 63050
    (636) 944-3291 Phone
    (636) 944-3870 Fax

    This Missouri teacher certainly says it all about Obama. I doubt Obama will be sending Ms. Lyday a Christmas card. (Oh! I checked Snopes.com and then I called the tel. no. shown below. The teacher is for real.)


  161. UGottaGetaGrip
    161 | August 12, 2009 6:17 am

    PROFOUND STATEMENTS

    In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a congress.
    John Adams

    If you don’t read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.
    Mark Twain

    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But then I repeat myself.
    Mark Twain

    I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
    Winston Churchill

    A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul. George Bernard Shaw

    A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.
    G. Gordon Liddy

    Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries.
    Douglas Casey, Classmate of Bill Clinton at Georgetown University

    Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. P.J. O’Rourke, Civil Libertarian

    Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.
    Frederic Bastiat, French Economist (1801-1850)

    Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it.
    And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
    Ronald Reagan (1986)

    I don’t make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. Will Rogers

    If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it’s free! P.J. O’Rourke

    In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other.
    Voltaire (1764)

    Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn’t mean politics won’t take an interest in you! Pericles (430 B.C.)

    No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. Mark Twain (1866)

    Talk is cheap…except when Congress does it. Anonymous

    The government is like a baby’s alimentary canal, with a happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other. Ronald Reagan

    The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

    The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin, Mark Twain

    The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)

    There is no distinctly native American criminal class…save Congress. Mark Twain

    What this country needs are more unemployed politicians. Edward Langley, Artist (1928-1995)

    A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. Thomas Jefferson

    Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
    James Bovard, Civil Libertarian (1994)

    In the United States, it might be that these 2 wolves equal 1 republican + 1 democrat and the sheep are we, the people.


  162. UGottaGetaGrip
    162 | August 12, 2009 6:17 am

    1 Accounts Receivable Tax
    2 Accounting and Tax Preparation (cost to taxpayers $300 billion)
    3 Accumulated Earnings Tax
    4 Accumulation Distribution of Trusts
    5 Activity Fee (Dumping Permit Fee)
    6 Air Tax (PA coin-operated vacuums)
    7 Aircraft Jet Fuel Tax
    8 Aircraft Excise Tax
    9 Alcohol Fuels Tax
    10 Alcoholic Beverage Tax
    11 Alternative Minimum Tax – Amt
    12 Ambulance Services (Air Ambulance Services, SD)
    13 Ammunition Tax
    14 Amusement Tax (MA, VA, MD)
    15 Animal Slaughter Tax (WI, others, Per Animal)
    16 Annual Custodial Fees (Ira Accounts)
    17 Ballast Water Management Fee (Marine Invasive Species)
    18 Biodiesel Fuel Tax
    19 Blueberry Tax (Maine)
    20 Bribe Taxes (Pay If You Dare)
    21 Brothel licensing fees (NV – $35,000.00 per year per brothel)
    22 Building Permit Tax
    23 Capital Gains Tax
    24 California Interstate User Diesel Fuel Tax
    25 California Redemption Value (Can and Bottle Tax)
    26 CDL License Tax
    27 Charter Boat Captain License
    28 Childhood Lead Poisoning Prevention Fee
    29 Cigarette Tax
    30 Cigarette Tax Stamp (Acts) (Distributors)
    31 Compressed Natural Gas Tax
    32 Commercial Activity Tax (OH – for Service Providers)
    33 Corporate Income Tax
    34 Court Fines (Indirect Taxes)
    35 County Property Tax
    36 Disposable Diapers Tax (Wisconsin)
    37 Disposal Fee (Any Landfill Dumping)
    38 Dog License Tax
    39 Duck Hunting Tax Stamp (PA, others)
    40 Electronic Waste Recycling Fee (E-Waste)
    41 Emergency Telephone User Surcharge
    42 Environmental Fee (CA – HazMat Fees)
    43 Estate Tax (Death Tax, to be reinstated)
    44 Excise Taxes
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    56 Fuel Gross Receipts Tax (Retail/Distributor)
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    58 Fur Clothing Tax (MN)
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    60 Gasoline Tax (475 Cents Per Gallon)
    61 Generation-Skipping Transfer Tax
    62 Generator Fee (Recycled Waste Fee)
    63 Gift Tax
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    65 Habitat Stamp (Hunting/Fishing in some states)
    66 Hamburger Tax (Ask Huckabee)
    67 Hazardous Substances Fees: Generator, Facility, Disposal
    68 Highway Access Fee
    69 Household Employment Taxes
    70 Hunting License Tax
    71 Illegal Drug Possession (No Carolina)
    72 Individual Income Tax
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    74 Insect Control Hazardous Materials License
    75 Insurance Premium Tax
    76 Intangible Tax (Leases Of Govt. Owned Real Property)
    77 Integrated Waste Management Fee
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    79 Inventory Tax
    80 IRA Rollover Tax (a transfer of IRA money)
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    82 IRS Interest Charges
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    84 Jock Tax (income earned by athletes in some states)
    85 Kerosene, Distillate, & Stove Oil Taxes
    86 Kiddie Tax (Child’s Earned Interest Form 8615)
    87 Land Gains and Real Estate Withholding
    88 Lead Poisoning Prevention Fee (Occupational)
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    90 Library Tax
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    95 LLC/PLLC Corporate Registration Tax
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    101 Marriage License Tax
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    103 Medicare Tax
    104 Mello-Roos Taxes (Special Taxes and Assessments)
    105 Migratory Waterfowl Stamp (addition to hunting license)
    106 Minnow Dealers License (Retail – For One Shop)
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    108 Mobile Home Ad Valorem Taxes
    109 Motor Fuel Tax (For Suppliers)
    110 Motor Vehicle Tax
    111 Music and Dramatic Performing Rights Tax
    112 Nudity Tax (Utah)
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  163. UGottaGetaGrip
    163 | August 12, 2009 6:18 am

    AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA

    By Lou Pritchett

    Dear President Obama:

    You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.

    You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.

    You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.

    You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

    You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

    You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don’t understand it at its core.

    You scare me because you lack humility and ‘class’, always blaming others.

    You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.

    You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the ‘blame America’ crowd and deliver this message abroad.

    You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.

    You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.

    You scare me because you prefer ‘wind mills’ to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

    You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.

    You scare me because you have begun to use ‘extortion’ tactics against certain banks and corporations.

    You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.

    You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.

    You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.

    You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.

    You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the conservative points of view.

    You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.

    Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

    Lou Pritchett

    Note: Lou Pritchett is a former vice president of Procter & Gamble whose career at that company spanned 36 years before his retirement in 1989, and he is the author of the 1995 business book, Stop Paddling & Start Rocking the Boat.

    Mr. Pritchett confirmed that he was indeed the author of the much-circulated “open letter.” “I did write the ‘you scare me’ letter. I sent it to the NY Times but they never acknowledged or published it. However, it hit the internet and according to the ‘experts’ has had over 500,000 hits.


  164. UGottaGetaGrip
    164 | August 12, 2009 6:19 am

    Queen Nancy Pelosi

    REMEMBER THIS IN THE 2010 MID TERM ELECTIONS!!!!

    All Hail Queen Nancy’s 757 The Jet is a USAF Boeing 757,

    And they STILL want to talk about Sarah’s clothing??

    People, Are you out there?

    Madame Pelosi wasn’t happy with the small private jet that comes with the Speaker’s
    job…no, Madame Pelosi was aggravated that this little jet had to stop to refuel, so she
    ordered a Big Fat 200 seat jet that could get her back to California without stopping!

    Many, many legislators walked by and grinned with glee as Joe informedeveryone what
    Nancy’s Big Fat Jet costs us, the hard working American Taxpayers, for the thousands
    of gallons of fuel every week,

    Since she only works 3 days, a week, this gas guzzling jet gets fueled and she flies
    home to California, cost to the taxpayers of about $60,000 one way!

    As Joe put it, ‘Unfortunately we have to pay to bring her back on Monday Night.’ Cost to
    us is another $60,000. Folks, that is $480,OOO per month and that is an
    annual cost to the taxpayers of $5,760,000, No wonder she complains about the cost
    of this war,…it might cramp her style and she is styling, on my back and yours,

    I think of the military families in this country doing without and this woman, who heads
    up the most do-nothing corrupt criminal credit card Congress in the history of this country,
    keeps fueling that jet while doing nothing,

    Madame Pelosi wants you and me to conserve our carbon footprint. She wants us to
    buy smaller cars and Obama wants us to get a bicycle pump and air up our tires.

    These people are nuts. If you think this is outrageous, forward it to all those on your
    e-maillist!

    Keep in mind the figures above do NOT include cost of plane or crew, just fuel!

    One wonders what her total package cost us? And she wants to tax OUR IRA’s,
    401 K’s and Windfall Tax on Retirement Income.

    YOU WILL NEVER SEE THIS IN ANY NEWSPAPERS IN THE COUNTRY! THEY
    HAVE NO GUTS – THEY WOULD RATHER SEE PEOPLE STARVING THAN
    REPORT ON THE MONSTER THAT IS NANCY PELOSI!


  165. UGottaGetaGrip
    165 | August 12, 2009 6:20 am

    think about it…

    “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.” ~Thomas Jefferson

    FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

    1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

    2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

    3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

    4. Gun control is not about guns; it’s about control.

    5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords and IEDs?

    6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

    7. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

    8. If you don’t know your rights, you don’t have any.

    9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

    10. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved.

    11. What part of ’shall not be infringed’ DO YOU NOT understand?

    12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

    13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

    14. Guns have only two enemies; rust and politicians.

    15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

    16. You don’t shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

    17. 911: Government sponsored a Dial-a-Prayer.

    18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

    19. Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.

    20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

    21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

    22. You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.

    23. Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don’t make more.

    24. When you remove the people’s right to bear arms, you create slaves.

    25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

    26. A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.

    27. No man’s life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.

    28. Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

    IF YOU AGREE, PASS THIS ‘REFRESHER’ ON TO TEN FREE CITIZENS.

    Robert Jones, MSgt(ret), USAF


  166. UGottaGetaGrip
    166 | August 12, 2009 6:22 am

    W A N T E D

    MORE PATRIOTIC AMERICANS TO DISPLAY OUR U.S.

    FLAG UPSIDE DOWN TO PROTEST OUR CURRENT

    CORRUPT CREDIT CARD CONGRESS SPENDING 1

    BILLION TAXPAYER DOLLARS EVERY 90 MINUTES

    THERE ARE CURRENTLY 40,000 LOBBYIST LIVING IN WASHINGTON D. C.

    HOW MANY LOBBYIST ARE LOBBYING FOR WE, THE PEOPLE?


  167. 167 | August 14, 2009 10:42 pm

    [...] “Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!…Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death!…Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.” [...]


  168. Champion692G
    168 | August 19, 2009 6:26 am

    WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW!

    This is amazing how whoever posted this “interpretation” of HR 3200 has COMPLETELY distorted the facts of the bill to scare you morons. You right-wingers amaze me with how gullible you are. If you actually cracked open the bill and read it yourself, you’d see that this interpretation is completely off base. But you cats are too lazy to seek out information for yourselves. Its amazing how you are so eager to commit so fully to battle against your own self-interest just because(and lets not lie to ourselves here)the one trying to improve your life happens to be a black man. President Obama has been working his arse off for you nimrods from day one and all he gets from you is disrespect. Socialism, my ass. He’s trying to lift up the lower and middle class, while at the same time not gouging the wealthy. I guarantee 98% of you “patriots” that posted in response to this garbage make collectively less than $75,000/year, which means you’re not rich, which makes me scratch my head in disbelief every time you believe the conservative talking points and take to the streets crap on yours and your kids future. Simply AMAZING, i love it! Stay classy conservadumbasses.


  169. m
    169 | August 19, 2009 8:22 am

    re: #160 by Champion692G

    He’s black??!!??!!??!!??!!


  170. no2liberals
    170 | August 19, 2009 8:41 am

    re: #161 by m
    Trollage?
    He’s a little late to the game.
    Our first mulatto president is already back-tracking since this sham of a bill was exposed, and now, the lefturds are about ready to toss support for him.


  171. Angrymobster
    171 | August 19, 2009 5:39 pm

    obama has worked his butt off to shove this stuff down the people’s throat. He has done nothing but run this country deeper in debt. As a good little muslim, he is bound by his religion to deceive the non-believers. He can say he isn’t a muslim and that he is a christian but remember he can lie to acheive his objective. The terrorists, and yes obama I use the word TERRORIST, when they hit the Trade Center, they were trying to destroy the economy of this country, which in turn would have brought us to the brink. They didn’t succeed, so now obama is doing it legally by trying to running our debt so deep, we will have to print money and more money. When we do this, the dollar will be worthless to the world, which inturn, will bandrupt us and our nation will cease to exist as we know it. If this happens, the muslims will have reached their goal of destroying the infidels and obama will have his glory! Just my conspiracy theory.


  172. Angrymobster
    172 | August 19, 2009 5:51 pm

    obama is trying to take away what people worked for and wanting to give it to the lazy and worthless in society. When the government takes from the haves and gives it to the have-nots, equalizing the masses, it is socialism. I have read the bill and if you want to pay for abortions, provide illegals with healthcare and they don’t have to pay taxes, seniors care is cut, which in turn will/can be called a death warrant/ in as much, a panel formed by the government has say-so over their care. Taxpayers will pay for unions (such as UAW, SEIU, NEA, etc) retirement care, government workers can come into your house and council you on childcare, counsel you and your spouse on health matters, and tax everyone, yes even the ones making under 250K. (Another lie told by obama). These are some but not all the goodies that the liberals want us to accept without standing up for our rights. Destroying our country is not in our own self-interest. Besides that, welfare people shouldn’t complain and run down the working folks!


  173. Champion692G
    173 | August 20, 2009 8:27 am

    re: #164 by Angrymobster

    LMAO u are a crackhead. YOU NEED A PUBLIC PLAN OPTION to help kick your drug habit. Stop spitting out republican talking points and read the bill for yourself because right now YOU ARE FLAT OUT LYING. Just like your leadership. And unless ur a rich kid, I think you may have missed the memo, YOU ARE NOT APART OF THE HAVES! LOL, stop being an idiot, fighting againsts your own self interest like the rest of you conservatives. OR……….maybe you’re just a racist and nothing I say to you (THE TRUTH) matters, lol.


  174. m
    174 | August 20, 2009 12:00 pm

    Sorry Champ, but you lost any kind of debate when you automatically threw out the “racist/racism” charge.

    Like you know what is in peoples’ heads. We gotta frikken mind reader up in here!

    Wtf-evah.


  175. 175 | August 20, 2009 12:25 pm

    re: #165 by Champion692G

    So you’re of the mind that it is ok for the government to take money from those who work hard to earn it, to give it to those who haven’t, and then force those who have earned money to give up their health insurance that they work hard to pay for, in order to be on the same health insurance as those who don’t work at all?

    Do you harbor a hatred of all who succeed, or just those who don’t vote democrat?

    The Federal Government doesn’t have a right to take money from ANYONE to create a government-run healthcare plan or healthcare system. The Constitution doesn’t grant them that right.

    Now, please explan to everyone here why and how the Constitution gives the Federal Government the right to run healthcare.


  176. 176 | August 20, 2009 12:33 pm

    re: #160 by Champion692G

    I guarantee 98% of you “patriots” that posted in response to this garbage make collectively less than $75,000/year, which means you’re not rich, which makes me scratch my head in disbelief

    I’m sure it does, so I’ll explain it to you:

    Conservatives, of which I am one, believe in defending and protecting the Constitution from all threats, foreign and domestic. If that sounds familiar, it is because Congress and the President of the United States take a vow to do the same thing, as does the military.

    Now, what that means is that we support actions in favor of the Constitution and oppose actions in violation of the constitution, as should Congress and the President of the United States, who took an oath to do so.

    Instead, the President of the United States and Congress are pushing a plan that gives the federal government powers that the federal government does not have a right to, per the Constitution.

    You see, the Constitution states that the federal government cannot have any rights that are not specifically listed in the Constitution and that all other rights are specifically granted to the individual states and to the citizens of this country.

    As such, Conservatives oppose government-run healthcare.

    Now, you may say, “Why? you’re not FORCED to take part in Government plans for healthcare!”

    But, you see, that is irrelevant (Although, it is also untrue, while you are not REQUIRED to take part in government healthcare, it will be much less expensive than private healthcare and companies will flock to the govenment plan as a way to reduce their costs as employers, which will, de facto, require that I join the public plan)…… you see, the cost of the healthcare doesn’t matter, nor does the availability of other plans.

    What matters is that the federal government doesn’t have a right to run healthcare, nor do they have a right to propose a healthcare plan.

    If you do not agree with me, feel free to quote the parts of the Constitution that grant the right for the federal government to run healthcare.

    I warn you though, I’m not as dense as you might think or may be used to from other sites, I breathe in the Constitution the way some do pot. It is my relaxation and comfort. As such, do not try the old and flimsy argument that it is part of “General Welfare” of the United States, nor the over-used and under-applicable “interstate commerce” clause.

    Ok now, there is the challenge. Before we discuss costs or availability, let’s first discuss the primary issue: The Constitutionality of the plan.

    your turn…. champ.


  177. m
    177 | August 20, 2009 3:18 pm

    re: #168 by LanceKates

    Ha! I didn’t even see that. I stopped reading at

    the one trying to improve your life happens to be a black man.

    The bigot assumes we’re bigots, lol.

    Besides the fact that we aren’t [and he's trying to take over our lives, not improve it - I've done pretty well on my own without the help of the zero] … he’s not even telling the truth.

    Half black, 100% socialist idiot.


  178. Angrymobster
    178 | August 20, 2009 4:20 pm

    You don’t appear to be very intelligent in your own right. Liberals have all the answers as long as they don’t have to spend their money.
    I have read through the bunch of bungled mess they call a bill. It is mumbled jargon that leads to interpretation after it is passed. Which inturn leads Sec of HHS to apply what she thinks is right. And we know obama’s bunch that advise him doesn’t believe in letting old people live and one idiot that says a baby may grow into being a viable human being in due time. I don’t think I want a whacked out person (such as yourself) to determine what the bill specifies. Also, abortion will be part of the bill unless it is specified and written into the bill. If it is just left out, it will fall under health care and be covered by taxpayers. Crackhead, liberal, same thing. Both are on dope and both probalby pertain to you!


  179. 179 | August 20, 2009 9:38 pm

    re: #169 by m

    you’ll notice that they didn’t reply.

    Because there is no reply.

    There is no Constitutional basis for the healthcare bill.

    If only there were some conservatives in Congress that would bring this up.


  180. Champion692G
    181 | August 21, 2009 5:37 am

    re: #167 by LanceKates

    “and then force those who have earned money to give up their health insurance that they work hard to pay for, in order to be on the same health insurance as those who don’t work at all?”

    What are you babbling about? The President himself debunked the notion that this would be a nationally mandatory plan. He said if you have private health insurance, you are entitled to keep it.

    “So you’re of the mind that it is ok for the government to take money from those who work hard to earn it, to give it to those who haven’t” The Federal Government doesn’t have a right to take money from ANYONE to create a government-run healthcare plan or healthcare system. The Constitution doesn’t grant them that right. Now, please explan to everyone here why and how the Constitution gives the Federal Government the right to run healthcare.”

    What do you think Medicare, medicaid, Veterans Insurance, and Social Security are? If you look back on history, people similar to yourselves(small brained) battled Roosevelt and LBJ vigorously against these programs but it’s clear today without a doubt that these were socially responsible and necessary programs.

    Since you believe that these GOVERNMENT RUN PROGRAMS violate the constitution, I want you to go to your local army, marines, navy, or air force base and tell the returning and retired Vets to get a job and take care of themselves. Doesn’t sound right does it? I thought so myself.

    Don’t you conservatives realize WE ARE THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WHERE YOU CAN GO BANKRUPT FROM MEDICAL COSTS?

    Yes I am a black man, I am 27 years old, but I’m not a liberal, I’m not a democrat, I’m a centrist, but I’m also open minded and I recognize a good plan when I see one. And in case you were wondering I’m a working middle class citizen with company health insurance. Why should I pay into medicare, medicaid, and social security and not have access to it if I so choose?

    Constitution Constitution Constitution!!! That’s all you guys scream out but in reality it seems that you haven’t bothered to read this document that you tout so highly to back your defense. If you did you would notice some things, lets take a look at the Preamble:

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Wow! Conservative argument terminated! Love that Constitution. And I just wanted to say STOP USING THE CONSTITUTION AS YOUR DEFENSE. WHEN THE CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN HEALTH CARE DID NOT EXIST!!! SO YOUR POINT IS MOOT.

    I warn you though, I’m not as dense as you might think or may be used to from other sites, I breathe in the Constitution the way some do pot. It is my relaxation and comfort. As such, do not try the old and flimsy argument that it is part of “General Welfare” of the United States, nor the over-used and under-applicable “interstate commerce” clause.

    LOL, you can’t eliminate part of the document just because it debunks your rant. The funny thing is you realize that craps all over your argument or you wouldn’t have brought it up. And I just wanted to point out, LanceKates, you speak in circles with no real point to your argument. You claim to be adept at the constitution but theres no substance to your argument. Try Again.


  181. m
    182 | August 21, 2009 9:18 am

    he President himself debunked the notion that this

    Lost me again! You may as well have said – you have to believe this liar! You have to!

    Uhm… no I don’t.

    They get to keep it as long as their employer decides to provide it as an option. But let’s see… they could pay X amount and keep the coverage going, or they could pay a “fee” (which is probably less) and tell the employees they are shit out of luck.

    You can keep it as long as nothing changes.

    You can keep it as long as the zero says you can.

    pfft!

    You can friggen keep it.


  182. m
    183 | August 21, 2009 9:31 am

    The zero went from you can definitely keep the coverage you have, and now he says “more than likely”…

    He ain’t gotta clue, and neither do you, Champ.


  183. 184 | August 21, 2009 10:07 am

    re: #172 by Champion692G

    I’m not addressing any of your points until you quote the section of the Constitution that gives the Federal Government the right to run healthcare. Quoting other unconstitutional programs does not suffice as a quote from the Constitution itself.

    As for this….

    STOP USING THE CONSTITUTION AS YOUR DEFENSE. WHEN THE CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN HEALTH CARE DID NOT EXIST!!!

    … you do know that healthcare existed back in Roman times, right? They’ve had doctors for much longer than we’ve been around.

    Regardless, and you show your liberalism with your idea that the Constitution is ‘moot’, the Constitution specifically says that any rights not specifically granted IN the constitution to the Federal Government are reserved for the individual states or the individual citizens themselves.

    Please do quote the portion of the Constitution that gives the Federal Government the right to run healthcare, or else admit that Government-run Healthcare and Government-run Healthcare Plans are Unconstitutional.

    Those are your two options. Discussing the VA and Medicare won’t gain you any points with me.

    Quote. The. Constitution.

    THAT is the document that matters.


  184. 185 | August 21, 2009 10:10 am

    re: #174 by m

    regardless, nearly every employer is going to drop their existing coverage and get the government plan, as it will be much less expensive than the private healthcare companies can match.

    Companies will do this to save money, particularly in a bad economic time such as this.

    Since the VAST majority of the nation HAS Healthcare, and they almost exclusively have it through their employer (who generally pays 1/3 to 1/2 of the cost), the american people will find that their choice is “Government plan or no plan at all.”

    So no, there is no LAW saying we have to get government insurance……. but that isn’t the intent. The intent is to make it cheap to squeeze out competition, THEN start cutting benefits when it is discovered that it isn’t profitable.


  185. 186 | August 21, 2009 10:13 am

    re: #172 by Champion692G

    Oh, by the way….

    That’s all you guys scream out but in reality it seems that you haven’t bothered to read this document that you tout so highly to back your defense. If you did you would notice some things, lets take a look at the Preamble:

    You’re talking to someone who keeps a copy in his pocket of his leather vest at all times. I read it while waiting between calls at work, while sitting at a restaurant, while sitting in a part, while at home. Your attempt to quote the preamble, and the “General Welfare” bit was specifically what I said to not do, because “General Welfare” does not give a right to run healthcare, though that is what liberals like yourself say it does.

    It is interesting to see how important the specific wording of the constitution is to you guys when it comes to firearms, and how ‘moot’ it is when it comes to everything else.


  186. m
    187 | August 21, 2009 10:15 am

    re: #176 by LanceKates

    egggggggggggggzackly.


  187. BuddyG
    188 | August 21, 2009 10:15 am

    Heavy Duty Health Care

    Drink Water


  188. m
    189 | August 21, 2009 10:18 am

    re: #179 by BuddyG

    that was innnnnnnnnnnnnnntense.


  189. 190 | August 21, 2009 10:19 am

    Anyone who speaks ill of the Constitution, or considers it moot, is clearly not a ‘centrist’

    They are a radical liberal and, in this case, I suspect racist as well.

    Especially since they suggested a few times that we ‘white folk’ were racist and made a point to tell us that they are black.


  190. BuddyG
    191 | August 21, 2009 10:20 am

    re: #180 by m

    Whole Lotta Love


  191. 192 | August 21, 2009 1:30 pm

    [...] » Inside the Health Care Bill, aka HR3200 >> 2.0: blogmocracy.com [...]


  192. Champion692G
    193 | August 21, 2009 2:01 pm

    1st of all, nobody said the constitution was moot. If you open your eyes and read my post, you will see that I said YOU ARE MOOT, YOUR POINT IS MOOT. The Constitution is not a proper backing for your argument. Health Care DID NOT EXIST when it was written. No shit, doctors have been in existence for a long time but a doctor is not healthcare.

    regardless, nearly every employer is going to drop their existing coverage and get the government plan, as it will be much less expensive than the private healthcare companies can match.

    Companies will do this to save money, particularly in a bad economic time such as this.

    DING DING DING! You win a cookie. Of course employers will choose this route because it will be drastically cheaper. Then guess what, all that money saved on providing benefits will go to (wait for it…..) HIRING NEW WORKERS. Money saved will go to INVESTING IN R & D, which will lead to (wait for it again….) HIRING MORE NEW WORKERS!!!!! Which all so in turn help lead us out of the recession. Damn that doesn’t sound so complex does it.

    You’re talking to someone who keeps a copy in his pocket of his leather vest at all times. I read it while waiting between calls at work, while sitting at a restaurant, while sitting in a part, while at home. Your attempt to quote the preamble, and the “General Welfare” bit was specifically what I said to not do, because “General Welfare” does not give a right to run healthcare, though that is what liberals like yourself say it does.

    It is interesting to see how important the specific wording of the constitution is to you guys when it comes to firearms, and how ‘moot’ it is when it comes to everything else.

    LanceKates for the record you are completely worthless. Seriously you have nothing of substance to add to this other than your seemingly awkward sexual attraction to the Constitution.

    Anyone who speaks ill of the Constitution, or considers it moot, is clearly not a ‘centrist’

    They are a radical liberal and, in this case, I suspect racist as well.

    Especially since they suggested a few times that we ‘white folk’ were racist and made a point to tell us that they are black.

    Like I said earlier I in no way said the Constitution was moot, I said you are moot. Also, nothing I have written ever mentioned anything about “white folk.” So, seriously stop projecting your covert or overt racism on to me, I don’t get down like that.

    I may or may not post again in this thread, because it seems you are too rock-headed to have a reasonable discussion. You’re probably one of those nuts at the town hall meeting toting a gun screaming like a banshee, obstructing the civil democratic debate that was one of the bases on which the Constitution was written. I know that you know that I know that you know that #1 the Public Plan Option will pass and #2 you will probably be the 1st one to sign up.

    BYE BYE NOW! Love the smell of Obamacare in the morning.

    OUT!


  193. 194 | August 21, 2009 2:10 pm

    re: #183 by Champion692G

    personal attacks on me aside, you still haven’t quote the portion of the Constitution that gives the Federal Government the right to run healthcare.

    Doesn’t that mean something to you? Doesn’t that ring some sort of alarm bell in your head?

    The Constitution, the document that gives rights to the Federal Government to protect the God-Given rights of the individual, does not list a right to the federal government to take over the healthcare sector, or to provide a health insurance plan. Because the Constitution does not specifically list a right for the Federal Government to do so, the right does not exist.

    Because the right does not exist, the Federal Government cannot legally do it.

    So, for the third time I ask: Please quote the part of the Constitution that gives the federal government the right to run healthcare.

    Honestly, it isn’t that difficult…. so long as you’re interested in being Constitutionally Honest.


  194. m
    195 | August 21, 2009 9:40 pm

    See, that’s what I can’t stand about the left. They can’t tell you why their ideas are great, just that it’s getting shoved down our throats regardless.


  195. 196 | August 22, 2009 9:30 am

    That’s because their ideas aren’t great. Their ideas are always horrible and only ever focused around the government getting bigger and our freedoms shrinking.

    Any of these liberals would see that if they took the time to think about it. To avoid that, they fill themselves with emotion. Have to help the poor, it’s ok to hate the rich, make other people pay for it, it is a ‘right’ to have free healthcare, etc. etc. etc. and anyone who opposes it must be racist, particularly if they’re white.

    I’ve noticed that our ‘Champion’ still hasn’t quoted the part of the Constitution that gives the Federal Government a right to run healthcare. All they did was make fun of me and laugh at our desire to hold to the Constitution.

    It shows there their loyalties are… definately not with the United States, which is founded on the document they make fun of.


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