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1. song_and_dance_man
   

   1 | July 10, 2009 4:13 pm

   I have been saying now for not a few years that the next pogrom of the kill the babies crowd would be post natal abortions.

   To paraphrase a Borkism, our slouching towards Gomorrah is almost complete.

   And for those Bible students that read here. Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because there was no hope for the children born there.

   
   
2. Jehu
   

   2 | July 10, 2009 6:02 pm

   Well…there are some people that should NEVER have kids, but the government dictating this is bad news.

   
   
3. LanceKates
   

   3 | July 10, 2009 6:11 pm

   Well, he is clearly a sane individual…… compared to Hannibal.

   Put him in a leather full body suit with some accent colors and he is a comic book super villain.

   
   
4. The_Albatross
   

   4 | July 10, 2009 6:14 pm

   Enough with the Czars… off with their heads, and let’s get back to attempting the running of a Republic democratically and above board.

   And NO NO NO… That’s NOT who we want, that is what is being jammed down our throats.

   Life doesn’t immitate art… dead babies can’t take care of themselves. Governments can’t effectively spend and receive tax money… how the duce could they expect to parent???

   
   
5. mjazz
   

   5 | July 10, 2009 7:26 pm

   A transnational “Planetary Regime” should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans’ lives…

   Sounds like 1984. We also want to read enemy combatants their Miranda rights.

   
   
6. Intravenousdemilo
   

   6 | July 10, 2009 8:22 pm

   re: #1 by song_and_dance_man

   Reminds me: I picked up a bunch of movies at Target last night (the $5 and $7 ones), and one of them was “Children of Men”…futuristic tale of no child born for 18 years and the story follows a pregnant woman.

   
   
7. CloudyDay
   

   7 | July 10, 2009 8:35 pm

   Regarding the post’s original topic: that is extremely disturbing.

   And liberals complain that conservatives want to control what goes on in people’s bedrooms etc., and here you have an Obama- picked guy insisting that “certain groups” of people should not be allowed to pro-create, that they should undergo forced abortions, etc.

   Off topic:
   Heard about a scientist that used to be an atheist, is now a believer, and he wrote a book about creation/evolution or what not (sorry, I didn’t see the whole story on him, only caught a glimpse).

   I did hear the part of the segment where the announcer said that 40% of scientists are theists, but they keep quiet about it in the workplace for fear they will be discriminated against or what have you.

   The scientist is named Francis Collins, and he wrote a book called The Language of God.

   I’m trying to find links about his book, or about him. So far, I’ve found this:

   Excerpt: “The Language of God” – Author Francis Collins Shares Personal Testimony to Explain Reasoning

   This is a four page article. This excerpt if from page 1:
   

   From the time Copernicus proved Ptolemy wrong that the earth did indeed orbit around the sun, scientific reason has found itself at odds with religion.

   In his new book, “The Language of God,” geneticist Francis S. Collins explains through personal testimony why faith and reason can and do coexist peacefully, and how one actually complements the other.

   ….And what about spiritual belief amongst scientists? This is actually more prevalent than many realize. In 1916, researchers asked biologists, physicists, and mathematicians whether they believed in a God who actively communicates with humankind and to whom one may pray in expectation of receiving an answer.

   About 40 percent answered in the affirmative. In 1997, the same survey was repeated verbatim — and to the surprise of the researchers, the percentage remained very nearly the same. So perhaps the “battle” between science and religion is not as polarized as it seems?

   Unfortunately, the evidence of potential harmony is often overshadowed by the high-decibel pronouncements of those who occupy the poles of the debate.

   Bombs are definitely being thrown from both sides.

   For example, essentially discrediting the spiritual beliefs of 40 percent of his colleagues as sentimental nonsense, the prominent evolutionist Richard Dawkins has emerged as the leading spokesperson for the point of view that a belief in evolution demands atheism.

   Among his many eye-popping statements: “Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence. . . . Faith, being belief that isn’t based on evidence, is the principal vice of any religion.”

   
   
8. song_and_dance_man
   

   8 | July 10, 2009 9:06 pm

   re: #6 by Intravenousdemilo

   The left have no problem with the death of the unborn. And, as you have found, the sell of it is cheapened by 5 dollar DVDs.

   re: #7 by CloudyDay

   This policy surely smacks of an evil that Hitler would be proud of.

   Another good source of biblical and scientific reconciliation is Schroders work.

   
   
9. no2liberals
   

   9 | July 10, 2009 9:06 pm

   While it is always shocking to see someone espouse views like Holdren, it certainly isn’t anything new in this country.
   In fact, the eugenics practices of the Hitler regime originated in the U.S.
   The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics.

   The Rockefeller Foundation helped found the German eugenics program and even funded the program that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz.
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   Even the United States Supreme Court endorsed aspects of eugenics. In its infamous 1927 decision, Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote, “It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind…. Three generations of imbeciles are enough.” This decision opened the floodgates for thousands to be coercively sterilized or otherwise persecuted as subhuman. Years later, the Nazis at the Nuremberg trials quoted Holmes’s words in their own defense.

   Only after eugenics became entrenched in the United States was the campaign transplanted into Germany, in no small measure through the efforts of California eugenicists, who published booklets idealizing sterilization and circulated them to German official and scientists.

   Hitler studied American eugenics laws. He tried to legitimize his anti-Semitism by medicalizing it, and wrapping it in the more palatable pseudoscientific facade of eugenics. Hitler was able to recruit more followers among reasonable Germans by claiming that science was on his side. While Hitler’s race hatred sprung from his own mind, the intellectual outlines of the eugenics Hitler adopted in 1924 were made in America.

   During the ’20s, Carnegie Institution eugenic scientists cultivated deep personal and professional relationships with Germany’s fascist eugenicists. In Mein Kampf, published in 1924, Hitler quoted American eugenic ideology and openly displayed a thorough knowledge of American eugenics. “There is today one state,” wrote Hitler, “in which at least weak beginnings toward a better conception [of immigration] are noticeable. Of course, it is not our model German Republic, but the United States.”

   Hitler proudly told his comrades just how closely he followed the progress of the American eugenics movement. “I have studied with great interest,” he told a fellow Nazi, “the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock.”

   Hitler even wrote a fan letter to American eugenic leader Madison Grant calling his race-based eugenics book, The Passing of the Great Race his “bible.”

   There are many references to Oliver Wendell Holmes support for eugenics.

   While Holdren is a pathetic excuse of a man, and not one most would consider worthy of a position of adviser to the POTUS, he is not an original thinker.
   /surprise

   
   
10. LanceKates
    

    10 | July 10, 2009 9:34 pm

    Remember when the liberals were upset because the Bush Administration allowed the tapping of phone lines of international terrorists in other countries and didn’t hit the ‘mute’ button when that international terrorist called a domestic number? They went apesh*t! They called it “Spying on Americans” and a destruction of the 4th Amendment.

    What do those liberals now say to justify this?

    I suspect……….

    ….. silence.

    Actually, I expect them to change the topic. The first play will be “Why are you upset over this? You supported wiretapping American Citizens when Bush did it with the Patriot Act!”

    No part of that response actually defends the support of someone who wants the federal (nay, a WORLD) government to sterilize anyone they deem ‘not worthy’ of parenthood.

    Which would be the inner city poor first.

    What say you now, O’ black inner city Obama Voter?

    
    
11. CloudyDay
    

    11 | July 10, 2009 11:21 pm

    OT Obama’s ‘birth hospital’ in astonishing cover-up
    

    The Honolulu hospital which for nearly six months proudly declared President Obama was born at its facility and used that claim as a major fund-raising tool is now engaged in an active cover-up, hiding a White House letter announcing his alleged birth there and refusing to confirm such a letter even exists.

    
    
12. Jehu
    

    12 | July 10, 2009 11:59 pm

    re: #7 by CloudyDay I read his book. Francis Collins was the head of the human genome project. His book sucked IMO, mostly the weak idea that God is so lame he had to find some second-hand mechanism with DNA to create all species. He is an evolutionist that believes God did everything regarding life via evolution. Nothing new here. All we know or any scientist knows by the actual data is that there are micro changes among species, that species can have a great deal of variety, look at humans, from pygmies to giants, from black to white, a great deal of variety, but they are all still the human species.

    Most of us on the other side simply argue we do not know what causes speciation, and neither do they, they are liars if they say they know or have proven that any singular species came from another species, never seen, no evidence, no fossils show such a progression.

    
    
13. CloudyDay
    

    13 | July 11, 2009 1:54 am

    re: #12 by Jehu

    So he’s into theistic evolution?

    I don’t buy into it myself (I take the creation account literally, as well as the six days – I believe each was a 24 hr period).

    Well, at the very least, people like Charles Johnson cannot accuse all theists of “hating science,” being “anti science” or rejecting evolution, since here you have a scientist who is a theist, believes in evolution (if what you say is accurate), and I think the guy is a Christian.

    (Not that Biblical Creationists are “anti science,” because we’re not – it’s just that it makes it harder for Johnson to lump all theists / Christians into the “anti science” category, since you do have folks like these advocates of theistic evolution.)

    
    
14. vagabond trader
    

    14 | July 11, 2009 2:54 am

    No offense, this guy is not news,he was well known as far back as December 08.FrontPage did this expose’, guess Zombie didn’t have cjs permission to link to the forbidden publication at the time.

    Also, note that the turd was nominated on Dec 20, right around Christmas when many would not be looking.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=34198

    SCIENCE!!

    
    
15. African Moondog
    

    15 | July 11, 2009 4:05 am

    Totally OT;

    Defenseman, (Hoosier Hoops?), is saying nasty things about the admins of this blog:

    “JUST HOW COMFORTABLE ARE YOU?

    At LGF, the worst Charles Johnson would do is to take away your account.

    At Blogmocracy, if your moderators think that you’ve wronged them they will post your name. Talk about your children. Look into your personal life.

    I hope you’ve all been nice to the moderators, folks.

    Aren’t you glad they have your IP address?”

    I’m not sorry.

    
    
16. Escovado
    

    16 | July 11, 2009 6:03 am

    re: #7 by CloudyDay

    Socialists have no problem with the government invading the bedroom as long as it’s the socialists who are in control of the government.

    
    
17. V the K
    

    17 | July 11, 2009 6:09 am

    Thanks for the tip…

    Certain people enjoy ranting about how ‘crazy’ the Intelligent Design crowd is, but talk about forced abortions, taking babies away from their mothers, and putting sterilization chemicals in the drinking water seems a few orders of magnitude scarier to me than talking about how Jesus created the dinosaurs.

    
    
18. justin case
    

    18 | July 11, 2009 7:05 am

    re: #15 by African Moondog

    i wonder if defence man has earned his naked, scented oil massage from his hero charles yet.

    watch out when he does your bum cheeks defence,
    you might just have your day made. ohhhhh.

    
    
19. goddessoftheclassroom
    

    19 | July 11, 2009 7:12 am

    What I never understood is why some were so adamant that Creationists would bring scientific research and discoveries to a halt.

    
    
20. justin case
    

    20 | July 11, 2009 7:22 am

    re: #19 by goddessoftheclassroom

    for the same reason they dont employ witch doctors in modern hospitals i suppose.

    
    
21. goddessoftheclassroom
    

    21 | July 11, 2009 7:26 am

    re: #20 by justin case

    I’m sorry; I don’t understand your response.

    
    
22. justin case
    

    22 | July 11, 2009 7:28 am

    re: #21 by goddessoftheclassroom

    well its the same mindset, ie atheist scientists view religion as witchcraft.

    
    
23. goddessoftheclassroom
    

    23 | July 11, 2009 7:34 am

    re: #22 by justin case

    Ah! Thanks.

    
    
24. no2liberals
    

    24 | July 11, 2009 7:54 am

    re: #12 by Jehu
    I haven’t read his book, but I read an article on him some time ago, that I thought was excellent.
    Collins: Why this scientist believes in God.
    

    I have found there is a wonderful harmony in the complementary truths of science and faith. The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome. God can be found in the cathedral or in the laboratory. By investigating God’s majestic and awesome creation, science can actually be a means of worship.

    Reading his perspective doesn’t cause me any alarm, and he admits it isn’t the same as the literal creationist perspective.

    
    
25. tqcincinnatus
    

    25 | July 11, 2009 11:33 am

    Well, at least the abortion fanatics are being more honest about the eugenics/racism/Sangerian roots of abortionism now.

    
    
26. tqcincinnatus
    

    26 | July 11, 2009 11:35 am

    re: #3 by LanceKates

    Well, he is clearly a sane individual…… compared to Hannibal.

    Hey, I take exception to that. Hannibal wasn’t insane, nor was he a bloodthirsty killer. He was a general, fighting his sworn mortal enemies, who happened to be a bit too good at his job.

    
    
27. no2liberals
    

    27 | July 11, 2009 11:46 am

    re: #26 by tqcincinnatus
    LK might be referring to Hannibal Lector(sp?) in The Silence of the Lambs.
    /could be

    
    
28. LanceKates
    

    28 | July 11, 2009 11:49 am

    re: #26 by tqcincinnatus

    I meant hannibal lecter, as played by anthony hopkins, heh

    
    
29. BizzyBlog
    

    29 | July 27, 2009 6:28 am

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