Underestimating Iran

Iran is the darling of the International Neo-Marxist Progressive movement. The media the world over loves this regime, even more than Castro’s Cuba. Obama is also a fan of Iran and is trying everything to please them. However, Iran’s intentions are not some progressive paradise, but a world dominated by Islamo-Fascists.

Underestimating Iran’s Global Reach


US President Barack Obama underestimates the threat Iran poses to global security. Were this not the case, he would not have sent CIA Director Leon Panetta to Israel ahead of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s visit to the White House.

Panetta was reportedly dispatched here to read the government the riot act. Israel, he reportedly told his interlocutors, must not attack Iran without first receiving permission from Washington. Moreover, Israel should keep its mouth shut about attacking Iran. As far as Washington is concerned, Iran’s latest threats to destroy Israel were nothing more than payback for statements by Netanyahu and other senior Israeli officials regarding Israel’s refusal to countenance a nuclear armed Iran.

Iran is a danger to the whole world. They have commented many times on being a “Martyr Nation”. They believe that by setting off a big war, the Mahdi will appear and save them. The left, which hates religion, makes exceptions for Islam. As long as Islamo-Fascists like Iran hate western civilization, they will be perceived as cool and revolutionary. Expect to see Ahmadinejad T-Shirts at University campuses near you soon.

Iran must be dealt with as the Barbarians they are. No respect is to be given to that regime.

Update:  Iran just tested a missle.

Iran tests missile as election race starts

TEHRAN (Reuters) – President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Wednesday Iran had tested a missile that defense analysts say could hit Israel and U.S. bases in the Gulf; a move likely to fuel Western concern about Tehran’s nuclear ambitions.

Ahmadinejad announced the test on the same day campaigning for the June 12 presidential election officially started. A U.S. defense official also confirmed the launch.

Iran keeps a clenched fist. But Maobama being a good Leftists doesn’t care.

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  1. 1 | May 20, 2009 8:50 am

    I’m sorry, but I’d much rather foam at the mouth over whether Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer or a creationist, than discuss trivial matters like a nuclear Iran.


  2. 2 | May 20, 2009 9:01 am

    The Neu Grünkleinenfootbals… Foam foam. Ban ban. Cheer bans. Cheer cheer.


  3. vapig
    3 | May 20, 2009 9:03 am

    I must admit I will never understand the left in this country. Islam and countries like Iran persecute their favorite victims: women and gays. Yet they encourage and give aid and comfort to these barbarians at every turn.

    If that weren’t enough, even the other barbarous countries around them fear this regional shift in power. Iran doesn’t just want to kill off Isreal, they want to kill off the competition – the Sunni’s.


  4. 4 | May 20, 2009 9:06 am

    1. InsubordinateNonCom,
    Yeah Iran isn’t a threat, It’s those damn Social Conservatives!
    / – Kid Icarus, Sharmuta, Killgore Trout and Medaura!


  5. 5 | May 20, 2009 9:08 am

    3. vapig,
    The Left views Islam as cool. In fact in History classes, Leftist professors praise Islamic wars of agressions. They condemn The Spanish liberation or Reconquista as Imperialist Conquests. Trust me I hated the lies taught in History classes.


  6. jakee308
    6 | May 20, 2009 9:24 am

    3. vapig

    I too have look on in amazement as they excuse Islam and accuse Israel when if Islam were to conquer the west, the first to be strung up would be the jews and the gays and the first to be repressed will be the women! (3 groups that preponderantly espouse and vote for leftist positions and politicians.

    I can only suspect that they do not believe what is before there very eyes because they see that the majority of Islam’s opponents are “right-wingers” or conservatives.

    Take France as an example; (even though they repelled an attack by muslims in the first millenium) it has long been a co-conspirator with Islam to their neighbors detriment and anyone who is a student of european history knows that the French can be totally irrational when it comes to what most would logically conclude is their own best interest.
    It’s perversity for the sake of perversity.
    It’s a finger in the eye of those who have saved their country for them at the expense of blood and treasure and no thanks by those saved.

    The leftists have alway been western civilizations largest and most vocal foes and critics who remind us very starkly of the truth of the parable of the frog and the scorpion.


  7. 7 | May 20, 2009 9:35 am

    6. jakee308,
    That is true about France. In the 1500’s they allied with the Ottoman Empire to gang up on Imperial Hapsburg SPain which was defending Europe from the Moslems. The good thing is that both France and Turkey got their asses handed to them by Spain.

    The French under Charlemagne also allied with the Arab Caliphate of the Abbasids against the East Roman (Byzantine) Empire. So the French have a history of supporting Islam.


  8. 8 | May 20, 2009 9:49 am

    the French have a history of supporting Islam.

    I’d just sum it up by saying the French have a history of being douchebags. Thusly, Obama must be French.


  9. vapig
    9 | May 20, 2009 10:01 am

    6. jakee308 on 20 May, 2009
    I can only suspect that they do not believe what is before there very eyes because they see that the majority of Islam’s opponents are “right-wingers” or conservatives.

    That’s it, you know. I think they are looking at this as a, “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”


  10. 10 | May 20, 2009 10:06 am

    9. vapig,
    Yeah islam is considered cool by Leftists. When I lived in NY, the Lefties were alwqays liek Islam is progressive and caring religion. My jaw would drop.


  11. LanceKates
    11 | May 20, 2009 10:19 am

    why is it that we can’t just bomb their nuke factories?

    oh, right… Obama. forgot… sorry.


  12. BuddyG
    12 | May 20, 2009 10:20 am

    10. Rodan

    Leftists like islam because islam hates America.


  13. 13 | May 20, 2009 10:22 am

    Great Thread Rodan!

    Now, I just wish that the Democrats in charge would realize that “Imagine” is a song, not political policy.


  14. 14 | May 20, 2009 10:25 am

    Interesting take but I think Ms. Glick may be overstating her case a bit and oddly, there isn’t very much in the way of quoted and/or attributted remarks in the editorial — and make no mistake, this is an opinion piece and should not be confused with news.

    I am not convinced that appeassement and engagement are synonmous and do not believe the Obama is as naive on national security as Ms. Glick repeatedly states. The President has built himself a fairly diverse and even hawkish core group of foreign policy advisors. James Jones is a Vietnam veteran, conservative and close friend of John McCain. Gates is old time Bushie and Petraeus is still running Centcom. Even Biden has cred due to his long tenure as Foreign Relations chair — during which he staunchly supported Israel.

    I don’t think Obama is anybodies pussy and as someone who has focused much of his career on nuclear deproliferation and is firing up disarmament talks with Russia and China, I’m not seeing a nuclear armed Iran anytime soon. Our troops in Afghanistan have been bolstered and he isn’t shy about that Pakistan border — I see no reason Iran would be any different.


  15. LanceKates
    15 | May 20, 2009 10:32 am

    14 fultonchain

    yes, President Obama’s “Apologize for America” worldwide tour really showed his vast experience and ability…


  16. 16 | May 20, 2009 10:34 am

    I’ll continue to look at his actions rather than his hyperbole — the guy loves his bully pulpit, no doubt about that.

    Then again, I’m a New Deal kinda guy who likes a big stick handy.


  17. affinity
    17 | May 20, 2009 10:36 am

    Hello to all, room for one more self exiled lgf-er?


  18. 18 | May 20, 2009 10:37 am

    16. fultonchain

    I’ll continue to look at his actions rather than his hyperbole — the guy loves his bully pulpit, no doubt about that.

    and what actions exactly are you looking at that give you so much confidence? You claim that Obama has surrounded himself with strong hawkish people. This might or might not be true, but the facts remain that up until now all Obama has been doing is talking, and that talk (which IS action) has been on the wussy side.


  19. 19 | May 20, 2009 10:37 am

    14. fultonchain,
    Biden is a Muslim appeaser. He was for bombing the Serbs in the 90’s but said nothing when Sudanese Muslims were killing South Sudanese Christians. He’s a Muslim lover like Obama.


  20. 20 | May 20, 2009 10:38 am

    17. affinity,
    You are more than welcome here. Please contribute and even if you disagree with an Admin, you will be allowed to say whetever you want!

    Welcome aboard!


  21. 21 | May 20, 2009 10:39 am

    17. affinity

    WELCOME! We are always glad to have new, fresh, innovative, and diverse opinions. We are very happy to have you here.

    Please jump right in, no drinks required, no “groundrules” to have to conform to, and all opinions are appreciated.

    If you wish to become acquainted with some of the differences between The Blogmocracy (LGF 2.0) and other blogs, you can read the “about”, “Voting Booth”, and “F.A.Q.” pages above.

    Overall however, and again; WELCOME


  22. affinity
    22 | May 20, 2009 10:49 am

    20., Rodan, and 21.,Wrath of G-d, thank you for the welcome, glad to be “on board!”Been lurking for a bit and see many ex 1.0 members here.Freedom!


  23. Skippy
    23 | May 20, 2009 10:53 am

    22. affinity on 20 May, 2009 at 10:49 am

    20., Rodan, and 21.,Wrath of G-d, thank you for the welcome, glad to be “on board!”Been lurking for a bit and see many ex 1.0 members here.Freedom!

    You have no idea! Welcome to liberty!

    :mrgreen:


  24. affinity
    24 | May 20, 2009 10:56 am

    14. fultonchain

    It’s more about Israel than Iran, imho.

    Obama has a deep seated antipathy toward Israel as evidenced by his many associations with Islamist radicals and their friends.I cannot forgive him listening passively to the words of his pastor Jerimiah Wright in referring to “that dirty word Israel.”

    As for his experience in Middle Eastern policy,I seem to recall that to this day he has refused to acknowledge that the surge in Iraq succeeded.


  25. vapig
    25 | May 20, 2009 10:59 am

    16. fultonchain on 20 May, 2009 at 10:34 am I’ll continue to look at his actions rather than his hyperbole — the guy loves his bully pulpit, no doubt about that.

    Egad! This man just came back from a World Apology Tour” calling the US arrogant and selfish. That’s you, me, everyone! He’s going to college campuses and telling kids they need to serve the government rather than become produces. He’s telling them morality is evil.

    This guy is making Carter look positively good for the country.

    BTW – no offense, but the New Deal was the worst idea EVAH! Ruined the lives of tens of millions of people who would have otherwise got along just fine.

    No New Deal Deux, please!

    Welcome, affinity. I just arrived yesterday and I’ve been having a blast! Alot of people here that I’ve really missed “seeing” and conversing with!


  26. 26 | May 20, 2009 11:00 am

    Its all about this guy for Iran: the Mahdi.

    well and this guy too: Mohammet


  27. affinity
    27 | May 20, 2009 11:01 am

    23. Thank you Skippy.No more tippy-toeing on eggshells!


  28. affinity
    28 | May 20, 2009 11:02 am

    25. Vapig,I remember you, thanks.


  29. vapig
    29 | May 20, 2009 11:08 am

    24. affinity on 20 May, 2009

    It’s more about Israel than Iran, imho

    I agree. Anti-Israel, pro-islam.


  30. vapig
    30 | May 20, 2009 11:12 am

    27. affinity on 20 May, 2009 at 11:01 am 23. Thank you Skippy.No more tippy-toeing on eggshells!

    LOL! I said that, too! I think my turning point came when Mama Winger was banned. Why? Because she mentioned she liked someone else who was banned. That was really creepy to me! I liked Mama!

    Well, that and all the monkey threads…


  31. 31 | May 20, 2009 11:12 am

    18.

    and what actions exactly are you looking at that give you so much confidence? You claim that Obama has surrounded himself with strong hawkish people.

    He has come to his senses on all this ‘war crimes’ nonsense and seems to have no interest in dividing this country by dissecting the last eight years. This goes along with his change in position on detainees.

    The use of special envoys such as Holbrooke and Ross — respected men who have proven themselves. Hell, Holbrooke could of been Sec. of State if he hadn’t supported waterboarding.

    Militarily he has bolstered our troops in Afghanistan while beginning the work of rooting out scumbags in Pakistan. Our ally. You know, where the terrorists are. The supply side problems in Iraq have also been mostly resolved and our troops have the resources they need. Granted, this was underway already, but Obama has accelerated the process.

    Overall, I am guardedly optimistic. This is a pragmatic administration and a brokered peace in the Mid-East along with halting the spread of WMD could save many American and Israeli lives. It is far from unlikely that in a sound global economy and without constant warfare the poor slobs living under theocratic regimes may well come to their senses.


  32. village Idiot.
    32 | May 20, 2009 11:14 am

    Not relevant johnson e-mails Geert wilders.

    “Would you like to make a statement on this matter for me to publish at LGF? I’ll publish whatever you write without editing.”

    “I received no answer — and that speaks volumes.”

    Don’t be silly johnson.

    1. You are nothing.

    2. Your opinion matters not.

    3.You are not trusted.

    4.You are part of the problem.

    5.Go swivel.

    http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5857/notrelevantjohnsonemail.jpg

    http://anonym.to/?http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33705_My_Email_to_Geert_Wilders/comments/#ctop


  33. affinity
    33 | May 20, 2009 11:18 am

    30. Monkey’s, anti G-d,pro AGW,can’t say nuttin’ anti POTUS threads blues.lol.

    Hey, how to do those green quotation thingies?


  34. 34 | May 20, 2009 11:22 am

    32. village Idiot.

    Mr. Charles Johnson, and all LGF “lizardoids” have, and have had for a long time, an open invitation to come here, and defend any statements, or challenges to their positions.

    They have refused to do so, and although (from their comments on LGF) that they are aware of the claims, and the invitation, “we have received no answer – and that speaks volumes”


  35. 35 | May 20, 2009 11:31 am

    31. fultonchain

    Overall, I am guardedly optimistic. This is a pragmatic administration and a brokered peace in the Mid-East along with halting the spread of WMD could save many American and Israeli lives. It is far from unlikely that in a sound global economy and without constant warfare the poor slobs living under theocratic regimes may well come to their senses.

    I admire your optimism, but I find it misplaced, and naive. You expect things that are not based in history, reality, or “facts on the ground” (mainly, that the Arabs will “come to their senses”, and that anyone can “broker peace in the Middle East”). You are suggesting that this Administration continue to make the same mistakes of most previous administrations.

    You do not suggest pragmatism as you claim, but instead a rehashing of the same failed policies that have haunted every other previous administration – mainly reliance on the Arabs to “come to their senses”, and appeasement of our Arabic enemies.

    I too once believed this was the path to peace, but after decades of closely monitoring the situation, I have come to realize that I was naive, misguided, and just WRONG. My mistake was based on my belief that Middle East Arabs were just like Americans -or if you will that being a decent American I assumed that all other people were decent. I am not going to say that Mid East Arabs are not decent, but instead that their understanding of “decent” and the core values of their societies are VERY different from ours. (Western).

    What we consider “decent” in our Western feminized, psychoanalytical, intellectual based society, is seen as surrender, appeasement, failure, and irreligious to their macho, honor-based, strength, male dominated, Arab-Eastern society.

    They do not admire our openness to dialogue but instead see it as submission to their strength, and power.

    All attempts by Western powers (be it England, France during the Mandate period) or the U.S., and Israel during the post ww2 period to appease, and Westernize the Arabs have been met with violence, and strength.

    These are the unfortunate facts that I was forced to come to terms with – as depressing as they were.

    Your suggestion, and optimism cannot be based on a clear understanding of the reality of the situation and the response to past Western attempts to resolve the issues in the manners that you propose.


  36. 36 | May 20, 2009 11:33 am

    31. fultonchain,
    Ha ha ha ha you are funny. I don’t even know where to begin.

    Richard Holbrooke is a Muslim sympathizer. He encouraged aggression against the Christian Serbs that were fighting Al-Qaeda. The US prevented a Serb Victory, result = 9/11. Yeah he’s real hardcore anti- Islamist.

    Care to discuss his work on behalf of the Saudis?

    This is a pragmatic administration and a brokered peace in the Mid-East along with halting the spread of WMD could save many American and Israeli lives.

    Yeah backstabbing Israel, supporting Syria and kissing up to Iran. Yup that will bring peace. Don’t you undertand, islam doesn’t want peace. Islam wants war.

    “It is far from unlikely that in a sound global economy and without constant warfare the poor slobs living under theocratic regimes may well come to their senses.”

    Read up on islam then come talk to us.


  37. vapig
    37 | May 20, 2009 11:34 am

    31. fultonchain on 20 May, 2009 at 11:12 am 18.

    He has come to his senses on all this ‘war crimes’ nonsense and seems to have no interest in dividing this country by dissecting the last eight years. This goes along with his change in position on detainees.

    I disagree. This is political expedience. In trying to criminalize the previous administration he inadvertantly unleased a firestorm that is threatening to take his own party with it. They all voted for this stuff and can’t play duck and cover now.

    As to the detainees – same thing. These idiots (who are up for re-election) are trying to tell their constituents that what they think about housing terrorists in their backyard is irrelevant? Yeah! I don’t thinks so and don’t think they haven’t been getting an earful!

    affinity: you get the green quotations by using the b-quote tab.


  38. 38 | May 20, 2009 11:35 am

    Rodan:

    Biden is a Muslim appeaser. He was for bombing the Serbs in the 90’s but said nothing when Sudanese Muslims were killing South Sudanese Christians. He’s a Muslim lover like Obama.

    With all due respect, you are somewhat more critical of Islam and Muslims than most. Many of us do not view our Clinton era excursion to the Balkans in religious terms. I have always seen it more along the lines of geo-political tomfoolery.

    Interestingly, at the time, the Israeli government was not overly concerned.


  39. exceller
    39 | May 20, 2009 11:37 am

    So they test a missle two days after Maobama gives them until the end of the year? it appears the fist remains clenched. Your move Obama.


  40. 40 | May 20, 2009 11:40 am

    38. fultonchain,
    News Flash, The Likud Party which wasn’t in power Condemnd the aggression on Serbia. Most israelis knew what was up.
    Answer me this question?
    Why are Muslims in the Balkans more important than Christians in the Sudan?

    Are you happy with 9/11 because people like you who supported bombing Serbia have the blood of 9/11 victims on yiour hands. Did you know 5 of the hijackers fought in the Balkans against Serbia?

    Are you ignorant?


  41. 41 | May 20, 2009 11:40 am

    37.

    I disagree. This is political expedience.

    I don’t see why it can’t be both — sometimes (rarely in Washington) common sense and political expediency align.

    I figure he just didn’t know what the hell he was talking about until he became President. Then he learned exactly who he was going to let go.


  42. 42 | May 20, 2009 11:41 am

    38. fultonchain,
    Why do you support islam which is an Arabic Suprmist Movement?


  43. 43 | May 20, 2009 11:47 am

    The Likud Party which wasn’t in power…

    Like I said, the Israeli government. Not the opposition.

    Are you happy with 9/11 because people like you who supported bombing Serbia have the blood of 9/11 victims on yiour hands.

    Please don’t conflate my support of the current administrations foreign policy with any perceived desire for compromise with those who would destroy us.

    It is not the same thing.


  44. 44 | May 20, 2009 11:49 am

    Why do you support islam which is an Arabic Suprmist Movement?

    I support Islam no more than I support Catholicism or Judaism.


  45. 45 | May 20, 2009 11:55 am

    “Please don’t conflate my support of the current administrations foreign policy with any perceived desire for compromise with those who would destroy us.”

    Yes it is. Obama supports Islam.


  46. 46 | May 20, 2009 11:59 am

    Obama supports Islam, like you do.

    I don’t see this as a fact or share your certitude beyond acknowledging that Obama doesn’t hate Islam as a whole. Nor do I.

    I don’t think we’re going to find common ground.


  47. 47 | May 20, 2009 12:01 pm

    46. fultonchain,
    Nope becaue most Americans like you don’t know anything about Islam or its history of agression. Come talk to me after the next terror attack.


  48. LanceKates
    48 | May 20, 2009 12:06 pm

    44 fulton

    because of all those christians and jews that behead nonbelievers and stone women who go to market alone, or arrest them for buying wine?

    nice false equivocation


  49. vapig
    49 | May 20, 2009 12:11 pm

    #35 @ WrathofG_d

    What we consider “decent” in our Western feminized, psychoanalytical, intellectual based society, is seen as surrender, appeasement, failure, and irreligious to their macho, honor-based, strength, male dominated, Arab-Eastern society.

    Yeah, I’ve been thinking alot about that lately – what Rush Limbaugh calls, “The Chickification of American.”

    I hate to admit that in my ignorant libtard youthful days I actually helped put those hags, Feinstein, Boxer and Pelosi into office. They called it the year of the woman. What a joke they’ve turned out to be. In my opinion it’s been women like this that has made me think that women have no business in politics.

    Just as they have no business in any profession (military, firefighting, law-enforcement) where having upper body strength really does matter!

    For that matter, the only woman (I know there’s more) that I’ve seen that’s worth her salt is Sarah Palin and look how they’ve savaged her! Hypocrits!


  50. vapig
    50 | May 20, 2009 12:15 pm

    41. fultonchain

    Again, I disagree. He was all for it until Pelosi was dragged into and found to be a liar.

    Thak goodness for Dick Cheney!


  51. 51 | May 20, 2009 12:16 pm

    It is remarkable how supporting my President and advocating diplomacy (along with Predator drones taking out every terrorist we can lay our hands on) has turned me into an Islamist.

    I, along with every other rational person, abhor the barbarity that has become endemic to the Islamic world. It is appalling that people can demonstrate such a total disregard for human life in the guise of religion.

    However, I unwilling to accept that the people I have shared my community with for years and work with on daily basis want to destroy me. The vast majority of the Muslim immigrants I know have worked their asses off to come here and enjoy a better life. Don’t think for one moment they don’t like their cars and digital television — they are fully aware that the standard of living they strive for requires a bit more enlightenment than stoning some poor woman to death in the village square.


  52. LanceKates
    52 | May 20, 2009 12:17 pm

    49 vapig

    it was expected with palin from the left. politics trumps gender and race as Powell and Rice learned.

    What suprised me was the open hatred from the Republican Party towards Palin.

    She became their scapegoat to cover THEIR failures


  53. vapig
    53 | May 20, 2009 12:21 pm

    #52 @ LanceKates
    What suprised me was the open hatred from the Republican Party towards Palin.

    She became their scapegoat to cover THEIR failures

    That’s because they are Nixon/Rockafeller rinos and she is a Reagan Republican. Big difference.

    How many times over the years have these same people told us the Reagan Era is dead – over?

    Well, we did it their way. Running a emocrat against a socialist and we got our can handed to us.


  54. LanceKates
    54 | May 20, 2009 12:26 pm

    51 fulton

    and now you show what you suffer from. You see some muslims around you at times and assume that all are good because you like the ones you’ve seen, ignoring the thousands of acts of islamic terrorism and speeches from islamic leaders calling for your death because you’re not one of them.

    The mindset you have is why one liberal after another tries to make peace in the middle east and fail. They don’t want peace, they want domination of the world and destruction to christians and jews.
    Many immigrant muslims came here to propigate that and many came to escape it.


  55. 55 | May 20, 2009 12:27 pm

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    em>”The vast majority of the Muslim immigrants I know have worked their asses off to come here and enjoy a better life. Don’t think for one moment they don’t like their cars and digital television — they are fully aware that the standard of living they strive for requires a bit more enlightenment than stoning some poor woman to death in the village square.”

    Yeah those nice Muslim immigarnts. Like the ones demanding foot washes on Collegease, refusing to take blind people because they have Guide Dogs and refusing to handl Pork products in restaurants. I have many more examples both from reading news and personal expierence with Muslims. They are 2 face cowardly slimebags. We need to freeze them from coming here. They want to dominate and rule. They are here ebcause they are the 1st wave of Islam’s expansion into America. It is because because of people like you that my Kids and Grandkids will have to fight this human disease on American soil.

    If you think Islamic immigration is good, go to Europe and see their cities. There are no go zones and the Muslims there have implemented Sharia law there.

    Fuck islam and let us not let anymore of these savages into America. 3% is enough!


  56. LanceKates
    56 | May 20, 2009 12:31 pm

    53 vapig

    conservatives expect freedom and results. that is not the way of the federal government.

    we fought 2 wars here over it, but only won the first one.


  57. vapig
    57 | May 20, 2009 12:49 pm

    This will put a smile on your face!


  58. 58 | May 20, 2009 12:51 pm

    51. fultonchain

    It is remarkable how supporting my President and advocating diplomacy (along with Predator drones taking out every terrorist we can lay our hands on) has turned me into an Islamist.

    For the record, I don’t, and have not, called you an Islamist, nor at this point do I believe that you support them.

    I, along with every other rational person, abhor the barbarity that has become endemic to the Islamic world. It is appalling that people can demonstrate such a total disregard for human life in the guise of religion.

    This last statement is factually incorrect – or at least Koranicly. I assume, from this statement, that you haven’t read the Koran (or its associated Hadiths, etc.) Well I have read the Koran (but not the other books) and I can assure you that the violence, hatred, and imperialism, and “total disregard for human life” spouted by the Islamists is not “in the guise of religion” but because of their Religion. It is not an incorrect interpretation of Islam that causes them to have this “total disregard” but instead the Koran iteself.

    Per your last paragraph (not quoted here), and in association to your second, it seems that you have fallen for the “all religions are equal” argument. This is not true. The teachings of Islam, are very different than those of Buddah, from Taoism, from Hindu, and very different from those of Judaism, or Christianity.

    Because we are a Judeo-Christian society, we assume that all so-called monotheistic religions (especially those who falsely claim they are based on the Bible and Torah) are exceptionally similar. A reading of both the Torah, and the Koran (of which I am familiar with both having actually studied them) quickly shows that they are not even close to similar. The prose, the lessons, the teaching, and the mandates are complete opposites.

    Where for the most part the Torah gives stories from which generations of Jews, and scholars have interpreted rules, and religion, the Koran is nothing but rules handed down straight from their “perfect person/prohpet” Mahommet. Although there are numerous beautiful verses in the Koran that speak about giving to charity, helping orphans, and being kind to fellow Muslims, their contempt and outright hatred towards “those who would make G-d into gods” ie the infidels, aka: non-muslims, including regional pagan Arabs, and especially those who received the book and turned their back on it – Jews and Christians -is paramount to the teachings of Mohammet/the Koran.

    Where Christianity teaches to perfect the world, and act in the way of Jesus through conversion, and Judaism teaches to simply obey the word of G-d as his chosen people and leave everyone else alone, the Koran specifically instructs all Muslims to go forth and wage war, terror, and violence against those who do not accept Mohammet as the “final prophet” who is above all other former prophets. The specific goal, as illustrated by the Koran is not internal peace, nor coexistance with neighboring religions/tribes/people, but instead imperialism to wipe out all non believes and correct the world with the only true Religion: Islam.

    Read the Koran.


  59. 59 | May 20, 2009 12:54 pm

    55.

    If you think Islamic immigration is good, go to Europe and see their cities.

    I’ve been to Europe and I’ve seen their cities. What struck me more than anything else is how much they are like our cities — a little older, a little shabbier, but not all that different.

    Poverty, misogyny and brutality are common to poorly educated people living without hope — it happens in Oakland, Detroit and Little Rock too. The Muslims don’t have a monopoly on rendering perfectly good land uninhabitable by the sane.


  60. Skippy
    60 | May 20, 2009 12:56 pm

    I kinda like this guy as a candidate for US Senator from Florida.
    He will be running against Charlie Crist. He sounds like a solid conservative.

    Of course Chucky will hate him….because he believes in….wait for it…he believes in….GOD! :shock:

    I wish him well. :mrgreen:
    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/05/20/video-what-charlie-crist-is-up-against/


  61. 61 | May 20, 2009 12:59 pm

    59. fultonchain

    Poverty, misogyny and brutality are common to poorly educated people living without hope

    You don’t really believe this “bad behavior is a byproduct of poverty” argument do you?

    I’ll have you know that misogyny, and brutality are common to disgusting people who have other people making excuses for their bad behavior, and has nothing to do with “hope”.


  62. 62 | May 20, 2009 1:02 pm

    Thanks, Wrath.

    You are correct. I haven’t read the Koran. Heck, I couldn’t make it through the New Testament.

    In all honesty, I cannot wade through conflicting interpretations of scripture. I simply haven’t the knowledge. However, I do know that I have read itemized lists of things in the Koran on both sides of the debate over whether Islam preaches hate.

    To be fair, I have also read Biblical scripture that is cherry picked from the Old Testament to justify everything from slavery to incest.

    Still, thanks for pointing out what is a fundamental gap in my knowledge when it comes to religious matters. Now if I could only figure out where that Bible is, somebody said they saw it a few months ago but can’t remember where.


  63. 63 | May 20, 2009 1:03 pm

    fultonchain

    I would also like to address your “well I know a few Muslims who are great people, so that proves that Islam isn’t bad” argument. (paraphrase of course)

    Well actually your example proves the larger point about Islam. The fact that you can find a small number that isn’t like the majority actually goes to show that the argument against the majority is right, and yours indefensible of the minority is false.

    I know some (people that think they are) “Jews” that believe in Jesus, but that doesn’t mean that Jews believe in Jesus.

    (*Update): This is not to say however that all Muslims are bad, nor to defend, or imply that I support draconian measures against all Muslims. I do not!


  64. Ma Sands
    64 | May 20, 2009 1:03 pm

    @ #55 Rodan
    Saw this yesterday, in one of the articles Storage posted:
    “Firefighters have told me that the Somalis refused to evacuate their apartment complex during a blaze and when they responded to alarm calls, the firemen are told to leave and that they are not welcome there…I have been told off the record that many officers are hesitant to even patrol after dark the apartment complex where the Somalis live,” he told Jerry Gordon of the New English Review.
    http://windsofbabylon.com/2009/05/19/muslim-row—–by-ryan-mauro.aspx

    Sounds awfully much like a no go zone, to me…..


  65. 65 | May 20, 2009 1:09 pm

    You don’t really believe this “bad behavior is a byproduct of poverty” argument do you?

    Yeah, I kind of do.

    Reports of violent crime, drug use and illegitimacy correlate much better along economic lines than lines drawn by race, color or creed.

    There is little difference between a white Southern Baptist meth addict in the hills of W. Virginia and a gang banging Crip from Oakland. The only near certainty is that they are both are high school dropouts, come from single parent households and are from areas where community resources are scant.


  66. 66 | May 20, 2009 1:15 pm

    62. Fultonchain

    In all honesty, I cannot wade through conflicting interpretations of scripture. I simply haven’t the knowledge. However, I do know that I have read itemized lists of things in the Koran on both sides of the debate over whether Islam preaches hate.

    I too had heard conflicting arguments regarding whether or not the Koran promotes hatred and violence. This is exactly why I chose to go to the source myself and make up my own mind. I was tired of hearing extremists from one side tell me one thing, and apologists on the other tell me the opposite.

    So, from my own unbiased p.o.v. from actually having read the Koran: yes, yes it does promote violence a lot of it against non-Muslims.

    To be fair, I have also read Biblical scripture that is cherry picked from the Old Testament to justify everything from slavery to incest.

    This is only slightly true. From my understanding, the Torah did justify slavery for those whom were leaving Egypt at that time. It took an already existing event, and commanded rules on top of it to make it more humane (if slavery at all can be humane). However, it was not a positive commandment. The Torah does not say “go have slaves”, but instead says “you have slaves and thus you must treat them fairly, thus if you are going to have slaves, this is what you must do…”.

    Now with all that being said, Jews don’t own slaves today. Since G-d never commanded us to have slaves, the Religion has forbid it.

    Islam’s most disgusting habits are Prophetly commanded. They are positive instructions (thou shall verily do….).

    This is a difference.


  67. affinity
    67 | May 20, 2009 1:16 pm

    Poverty, misogyny,and brutality are common to poorly educated people living without hope.

    Bolderdash!Classic liberal soft bigotry talking point.Being poor does not make one a criminal or a misogynist.Betcha you also subscribe to the POTUS’ belief that 9/11 resulted from a lack of empathy.


  68. 68 | May 20, 2009 1:16 pm

    64. Ma Sands,
    Where are the Bloods or Latin Kings when you need them!
    /

    65. fultonchain,
    Can you explain Islam’s wars of agressions on Non MUslism since the 7th century? Or are you too ignorant to have read them?


  69. 69 | May 20, 2009 1:18 pm

    65. Fultonchain

    Having these two conversations at the same time is going to get a bit confusing but here goes…

    Reports of violent crime, drug use and illegitimacy correlate much better along economic lines than lines drawn by race, color or creed.

    Fair enough. I wouldn’t deny that. But to me it is a chicken/egg question, and thus the conclusion you take is not necessarily the only right one.

    I believe that it is the type of lazy, unmotivated, etc., personality traits that lead someone to drug addiction, etc., and it is this lack of responsibility and personal strength that contributes to being poor, drug addict etc. Thus it is not being poor that makes them drug addicts, violent, misogynist, but instead being the type of person that would allow themselves to become and stay misogynist, drug addicts, etc., that causes them to be poor.


  70. Charles Johnson
    70 | May 20, 2009 1:50 pm

    :(


  71. 71 | May 20, 2009 2:19 pm

    70. Charles Johnson

    Very funny, but DO NOT NAME JACK on this site please.

    Thank you.


  72. bluliner10
    72 | May 20, 2009 4:20 pm

    Reports of violent crime, drug use and illegitimacy correlate much better along economic lines than lines drawn by race, color or creed.

    There is little difference between a white Southern Baptist meth addict in the hills of W. Virginia and a gang banging Crip from Oakland. The only near certainty is that they are both are high school dropouts, come from single parent households and are from areas where community resources are scant.

    Welcome Fulton, you make for a key argument in your paragraph here. Poverty leads to violent crime, not to terrorism. You cannot equate the two, despite the similarity in tactics and procedures. I have just returned from 1+ months in Manila, Philippines and have seen true poverty. Estimates that 30 to 40 percent of the population earn below 2.00 USD a day, yet they are not running around blowing themselves up in the market place. There is violent crime, an effort to steal what can’t be bought. No, islamic terrorism does not and is not driven by poverty. I spent 13 months in Fallujah and al Anbar Province, again I saw poverty and illiteracy in action. Normally that was turned into something positive. Sometimes not, it is easy to wave about 700 dollars at a poor man and say, look how much food this will buy your family. And he will happily go out, dig a hole and plant an IED. He didn’t design it, choose the location, or trigger the devise. He is not a terrorist, the people who planned the campaign of employment were. They were generally people of influence and money, from either their tribe or AQIZ.

    Back to the Philippines, the islamist factions and the communist terrorists are eductated, and normally come from families with money. It is an education system, that makes them feel guilty for being raised by a family who has when so many have not. A call to economic equality drives the Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP), and tales of adventure drives recruitment into the New People’s Army (NPA). These are the dangerous ones, the ideologues, the average poor guy who ends up being a “rifleman” for the movement, they don’t get much training; either in weaponeering nor in the ideology. They are expendable, hence the big numbers of taliban who die everytime they get in front of the business end of the trained military forces…

    Welcome aboard


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