LGF has been attacking and smearing social conservatives. The theory that is popular at progressive blogs like LGF, is that GOP is in trouble because of issues like abortion. Well, here is a big heartbreak for Kid Icarus and other progressives; a majority of Americans are now pro-life!
More Americans “Pro-Life” Than “Pro-Choice” for First Time
PRINCETON, NJ — A new Gallup Poll, conducted May 7-10, finds 51% of Americans calling themselves “pro-life” on the issue of abortion and 42% “pro-choice.” This is the first time a majority of U.S. adults have identified themselves as pro-life since Gallup began asking this question in 1995.
The new results, obtained from Gallup’s annual Values and Beliefs survey, represent a significant shift from a year ago, when 50% were pro-choice and 44% pro-life. Prior to now, the highest percentage identifying as pro-life was 46%, in both August 2001 and May 2002.
This debunks the myth that it is the GOP’s pro-life stance that is hurting the party. If anything it may be one of the few things keeping the party on life support.
LGF is really having a bad week, 1st the DHS memo was withdrawn which Icarus really defended. Now the myth that social conservatism is hurting the GOP has been exposed as a lie. I wonder how the “progressives” at LGF will spin this? They probably will ignore it since it shatters their beliefs.
Tags: Kid Icarus, Pro Life
It’s all the Creationists fault! They own Gallup!
It is a plant! Obviously part of the Wedge Document!
heh.
Could it be argued that McCain lost because he wasn’t religious/socially conservative enough?
When you look at the Bush elections, they famously motivated the religious americans. Although this was often described in the m.s.m as “evangelicals”, I can personally attest to Bush’s effect on religious Jews as well. Because of his religiosity and commitment to Biblical teachings (including strong support for Israel and Jews) many Jews for the first time voted for a repubilcan – that Republican was a Bible reading/Jesus trusting/Church going G. W. Bush.
G.W. Bush won both terms in office – 8 years!
Then the G.O.P. presented the American voters with John McCain. Although he holds many socially conservative opinions (including Abortion IIRC) this aspect of his personality was played down and he attempted to take the office on a “middle” “socially neutral”, “maverick” platform.
He got hosed – despite his being a genuine war hero!
Thus, despite the concerns of irreligious, social-conaphobes, it seems that the Conservative American public actually wants someone with socially Conservative values. These are the people who win. The facts speak for themselves.
As to this actual poll, this is good news but we should take it for what it is – a beginning. The margin isn’t huge.
Big Creationist Dollars at work.
/k.icarus
IIRC, two other polls taken within the last month have corroborated these numbers, so it seems to be a real trend, not just a fluke or an outlier.
Wrath
I’m so using that.
One other thing to note – it seems that during periods where abortion is a “hot topic” on the national scene, pro-life goes up, while during periods of complacency, pro-life goes down.
I.e. when people are forced to actually think about abortion, they tend to turn away from it. No wonder “the a-word” was always off-limits at 1.0, even before Charles went officially insane.
TQC,
aah the good ol’ days… lol.
When you say “pro life” does that mean that they want to outlaw abortion? It all depends how these questions are phrased. I do not believe that most Americans want to criminalize abortion.
I don’t think it was so much the fault of the GOP itself. I look more to the unpopular war on terror [see MSM], Iraq and most importantly the MSM who gave Obowma a golden free pass on everything from his gaping inexperience to his Marxist radical roots, from Ayers to Wright, and the oceans of morons or otherwise brainwashed delusionals who leaped onto the HOPeNChange bandwagon of fools.
9. Speranza
I don’t think the majority wants to completely outlaw abortion either. Limits are not always a bad thing.
Late term abortion is murder at birth.
[on edit: TO ME, late term abortion is murder at birth.]
Hi guys, anyone here post at AoSHQ?
12. ‘Nam Grunt
Hi ‘Nam Grunt (you would remember me if I gave out my LGF nic), yes I post at AoSHQ (under a different name).
Speranza,
Great, I’m having trouble posting, could you email Ace and find out what’s up please.
11. m
It all depends how the question is asked, I dislike abortion but do not want to see it made illegal.
10. Former LGF’er
The stars were not aligned right for the GOP last year, an unpopular president who let the other side define the issues and never fought back (and wsa loyal to incompetents), a slavishly devoted media to Obama, the subprime crisis (enough blame to go around), as well as a wishy-wshy Establishment inside the beltway candidate in McCain whom many Republicans despised. It is amazing we only lost by 6 percentage points.
I am gratified to see the poll, but I see a problem because the people with influence (i.e. media types, Hollyweirdos, the “intelligencia”, late night talk show hosts, comedy central hacks, meglo-maniac rich guys) are almost 100% pro-abort. Even though these influential types may not be able to tear down the GOP on the abortion issue they have been successful at tearing the GOP down on other issues for the sake of abortion.
The GOP shouldn’t change their Pro-Life stance. It is what it is. We have to fight it out the hard way. The best thing that could happen is that Roe vs. Wade could be over-turned so some states will have abortion and some won’t. I object to the USA having the most liberal abortion laws on the planet.
14. ‘Nam Grunt
I’ll see what I can do.
10. Former LGF’er
“The stars were not aligned right for the GOP last year, an unpopular president who let the other side define the issues and never fought back (and wsa loyal to incompetents), a slavishly devoted media to Obama, the subprime crisis (enough blame to go around), as well as a wishy-wshy Establishment inside the beltway candidate in McCain whom many Republicans despised. It is amazing we only lost by 6 percentage points.”
I think that Obama is probably the best thing that could have happened for Conservatism, given the circumstances.
I mean, I shudder when I think of a John McCain presidency. The man NEVER failed to disappoint me EVERY time he spoke during his campaign. SERIOUSLY.
The only good thing he gave us was Sarah Palin, and if he had that to do over he probably would’ve screwed that up too given his lack of support for her since the election.
15. speranza-
Adding it all up, losing by a small margin is a good sign for 2012.
There are clearly other reasons for all the GOP bashing over 1.0.
Would someone that posts at Ace of Spades send me a contact email addy for Ace. thanks
19. Former LGF’er
Check your email
I am more determined then ever to oust this charlatan from the oval office.
20. ‘Nam Grunt
I don’t think there is a contact email address at AoSHQ
Charles 5/15/09 10:40:22 am reply
By the way, I’ve been following the ACORN stories for months, and so far I haven’t seen any REAL evidence that they were engaged in systematic voter fraud. If anyone is aware of a Justice Department investigation that supports all of the allegations, please enlighten me. I haven’t seen it. But I have seen a lot of unsubstantiated charges that always seem to vanish without much fanfare.
Chuckie has gone around the corner on this one
18. Bumr50
You were referring to my post #10.
Child Icarus features more Glenn Beck bashing over at you know where…
PS: Democrats are starting to advertise over there too.
There have been investigations in nevada and charges brought against ACORN in one case at least so far.
“LAS VEGAS — Nevada authorities filed criminal charges Monday against the political advocacy group ACORN and two former employees, alleging they illegally paid canvassers to sign up new voters during last year’s presidential campaign.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_12295184
23. PCGONEWILD
Ok, Charles has been taken over by a pod person.
11 m
As a concession, how about if we limit abortion to cases of rape and likely death of the mother (if she has the baby) since that is what the pro-abortion crowd brings up as the reason why it has to be legal for 12 year old girls to get abortions without parental notification.
(I’ve wondered about those abortions for 12 year old girls without parental notification…. what happens if the child dies during the procedure? How do they tell the parents without telling the parents?)
25. Former LGF’er
Soon he will announce the total change over of the emphasis of his blog (it already features few anti Islamic threads) into a “social progressive” blog.
I don’t exactly spend my time worrying abut Glenn Beck.
Hey I don’t believe there is a “before Charles went insane” Because back when I first started reading LGF (read only,I never registered there) Charlie the idiot posted only once in awhile. So therefore, I don’t think one could really get a handle on his true self. When he did start posting the truth came out.
I just looked and the disgusting fool is cherry picking things Beck has said. This man is a shame to the human race. Charlie do us all a favor and turn yourself in to a home somewhere.
15. Speranza
I would love to see late term abortions made illegal (unless the mother’s health is in danger). I read too much and came across pictures one day that I will never get out of my head.
Especially after carrying 2 children.
There is no reason to wait that late except for laziness or lack of conscience.
30. insight
Once he started posting comments people realized his personality sucks, lol.
Or would if he had one.
I am split on this issue. To me Abortion is murder. However if it is outlawed people will do it anyways underground which can be worse. I think it should be hard to get, made into a social stigma and not allowed after 2 months. Just thinking about Abortion makes me want to throw up. It disgusts me.
33 Rodan
You can’t make something legal because people ‘will do it anyway’ . . . people committ murder, do drugs, rape, rob, etc.
Just because someone WOULD do something is not grounds for making that something legal.
Human life must be preserved. It is the duty of the Good to protect the Innocent.
Morally, I am pro-life. Legally I think the problem is that RvW (like a lot of laws) violates the 10th amendment. This should he a state decision.
# 33. Rodan
Way back in High School my history teacher used that argument, saying abortion needs to stay legal so girls do not go back to using coat hangers and endanger themselves. I think it is a crazy argument.
People have to take responsibility for their own actions. Drug users are going to use drugs and hurt themselves so why not make all drugs legal? And some drug users steal for their drugs, so maybe free drugs will prevent that. Its crazy.
Notice that abortion is now a form of birth control and all these younger generations don’t know how to take responsibility for anything!
Charles is against us lifers too?!? I hadn’t realized that. Egads.
#33 Rodan
If abortion is outlawed, only outlaws will act like sicko serial killers and kill their babies?
My wife is pregnant. This is really my 1st exposure to pregnancy besides the time I was in my mother, and I don’t remember much of that. Anyway from about 4 months in the baby is almost constantly thrashing around inside the womb. You can even on occasion visually see the baby poking his limbs outward. How a person can see all that and still do a late term with a healthy pregnancy is incredible.
37 Lex
I imagine that he is thankful that his mother was pro-life enough to let him be born….
Notice that this hasn’t become a thread on LGF.
Instead, they’re running a threat on some old fossil, accepting both the speculated but unproven date and the speculated but unproven genetic makeup.
Hatred of God is so extreme that they’ll say it is dozens of millions of years old and is what man came from.
No proof. It is, after all, their religion….
If the mother’s health is in danger, a late term abortion probably won’t help. The euphemistically named “extraction” of the foetus can still require inducing labour depending on how late the term is.
We’re at the stage where pregnancies that would have endangered the mother even just a decade ago can now be handled safely. There are almost no physical reasons for an abortion to occur which means that the reasons for it remaining legal in nearly call cases are ideological.
Heck, yeah. McCain’s only hot spot was Sarah Palin. Apart from that, he was cold as a liberal.
But I love how the left, (or Republicans and fiscal conservatives who hate social conservatives), try to spin this to their advantage anyway:
1)”Pro-Life Does Not Necessarily Mean Anti-Abortion” -headline at “Politics Daily”
2) Growing Anti-Abortion Ranks Will Keep Republicans Marginalized – by Bonnie Erbe.
The author of #2 above describes McCain, who is a RINO thusly:
McCain is not a “hard liner.”
#23 PCGONEWILD
Former members of ACORN are now in a group called “ACORN 8,” and they are speaking out against the dishonesty they say they saw during their time at ACRON. Would that count in Johnson’s book?
Former ACORN Employee MonCrief Calls on Democrats to Block Funding
44. CloudyDay
Nope. He was the msm’s favorite R until he was up against a D. Then he was an R said with the *snurled nose*.
Palin is a true conservative. That’s why she is lambasted by the MSM.
31 m
I remember raising that same point at a discussion board I frequent.
I’ve wondered what kind of idiot waits until they’re 6, 7, 8, or 9 months along before deciding to get an abortion?
(Not that I support abortion at any point along the way, but I just wonder, if you are going to get one, why wait until month #8 or #9?)
It kind of reminds me of a “South Park” cartoon episode where one of the lady characters (Mrs. Cartman, I think) tries to find out if she can get her eight year old son aborted.
30. insight
I was thinking the same thing when I read that post above – I suspect that Johnson has always been this way, but we didn’t realize it until he began participating on his own blog more frequently.
YES! The “Wedge Document“!
Justa–Oh I know…..Back at KU the women’s groups used to sit in the student union with posters to be used as cards for women to sign to send to George Tiller, just a few hours south in Wichita, who does abortions right up to term. “Tiller the Killer” as he’s known. We have some of the biggest protests in the country down in Wichita due to the man.
I feel the same way. I was excited enough BEFORE I felt my first baby move, but once she was wiggling around in there (especially after seeing her on the sonogram), well abortion hadn’t entered my mind anyway since she was so planned. Still, I could never have done it nor could I imagine anyone who could. A friend of mine who (Praise God!!) just had twins gave birth to a baby with underdeveloped lungs who couldn’t live outside the womb. They tried to talk her into inducing (basically aborting but delivering instead so the parents could see the baby) early and it was tearing her apart. She couldn’t do it. Luckily she just went into early labor. The baby lived for an hour. Nothing they could do for it. Much prayer and Faith helped her along and now she has TWINS! I’m so excited! But this rekindled both of us in our beliefs against abortion.
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