Chuckle (Charles Johnson from LGF) again takes a shot at Geert Wilders with the Fascist label. He uses the Jawa Report’s analysis of Geert Wilder’s recent speech in Florida. Jawa applauds Geert Wilders for standing against Islam, but calls some of his ideas Fascist. They don’t call him a Fascist but disagree with some of his ideas like banning the Koran. Nancy however jumps on this and bashes Geert.
Jawa Report Notes Geert Wilders’ ‘Fascist Tendencies’
I see that Robert Spencer is spewing some more insults at me today. Oh well, what are you gonna do?
Meanwhile, there’s at least one “anti-jihad” blogger who isn’t being taken in by Geert Wilders’ call to strip Muslims of their right to freedom of religion: The Jawa Report: Cheers for Geert Wilders’ Bravery at Standing Against the Islamist Tide, Jeers for his Fascist Tendencies.
Kudos to Rusty Shackleford. He correctly points out that it’s “inconsistent” for Wilders to claim to be standing up for freedom of expression at the same time as he calls for banning books and taking away basic rights from people; but I’ll go further. It’s deeply hypocritical, and deeply un-American to call for these things. These are fascist opinions. And American citizens who applaud this kind of rabble-rousing populist garbage should be ashamed of themselves.
Charles it is Americans like you that don’t understand Islam or ever dealt with Muslims that should be ashamed. I have dealt with Muslims in my life, and everyone I have met have been 2 faced lying scumbags. Also having Spaniard and Sicilian blood in me, I will never forget Islam’s attempt to exterminate my ancestors. The Spaniards fought and won a 700 year war to be free of Islam. So I stand with Geert or anyone that fights Islam.
Update: Charles Non Muslims are not tolerated in their nations, why should we be tolerant of them?
(Hat Tip: M)
Update II: Robert Spencer responds
Tags: Charles Johnson, Dhimmitude, Geert Wilders, Jawa Report
Geert Wilders is the canary in the mine. If they can silence him, and free people go along, there is no more free speech.
A user named horatiolust is sowing existential discord on that thread. Ban stick to be applied in 3… 2… 1…
Rose,
Charles is now an aplogist for Islam. Any student of history will tell you Islam is Arabic Imperialist cult.
OT/
I left a post for “Hiney” regarding Charles Johnson (post #29) in this thread at LGF 2: Do you feel safe?
Oh, believe me, Rodan, I have been watching what has been happening. It is amazing.
This post by the lizard king is hilarious:
Yes, Charles, that’s what the Muslims here in America want to do to us. It’s what Islam has always been about. Your Dhimwhit of the month award is well earned.
Come to think of it, Charles, you have no problem banning those evil creationists from the public square, don’t you? What’s the matter? Is the idea that humanity might be created by a loving God such a destructive force in society that it too needs to be banned?
Says Johnson:
I don’t know if the Koran should be banned or not, but many Muslim nations ban the Bible (something to think about and maybe consider).
Secondly, our nation ‘bans’ child pornography, as it’s recognized to hurt children and society in general.
Here you have a book (the Koran) that instructs people to kill or enslave folks who will not convert to this belief system. I’d say that’s pretty harmful to any society.
From what I’ve read elsewhere, this Geert Wilders fella has not so much said that the Koran should be banned as he has pointed out the hypocrisy and inconsistency in hate laws in Europe, which say hate literature/speech should not be permitted.
So,Wilders says, using that criteria, why should a book that tells its followers to exterminate non-members be allowed?
He’s saying if you’re going to have an anti-hate literature law, it should be applied evenly.
Special exceptions are made for Islam in Europe is all he’s saying.
Consider that Johnson bans anyone for any reason from his own blog, no matter how stupid, inane or trivial; it’s pretty rich for him to bellow about someone else supposedly trying to halt free speech and freedom of expression.
I regard macro-Evolution as being a dogma of the secular/ liberal religion, and it is shoved down the throats of all school kids, whether they are Christian, atheist, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, or agnostic.
Johnson is ‘okay’ with tenets (eg., evolution) of his own religion (secular humanism/ atheism) forced on to other people against their will.
And he does not support anyone being permitted to critique evolution in the classroom (or even at his blog). So there again, the man does not support freedom of expression or religion.
My religion is incompatible with evolution, yet I was subjected to lessons about evolution while attending public school as a kid.
“Tolerant of them” – indeed: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-grand-delusion-about-iran/
Not sure why Rusty picked up on this. Fascist this fascist that, he’s been listening to nancy for too long.
Wilders speech talks about Europe and his own country, he’s not asking for Americans to adopt his suggestions or ideas, Europe is different in many ways to America when it comes islam. America hasn’t had the muslim immigration, it doesn’t have the numerous open borders. America doesn’t have a further eighty – ninety million muslims on top of what they already have queuing for a passport
It may pay for Rusty to buy Roberts Spencers new book stealth jihad and read it, instead of relying on the opinions of someone who’s sanity is in question.
Rusty should heed the warnings because… it’s a coming.
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Noticed the Egypt link.
Spare a thought for the non muslims who are losing their pigs. The government are taking their pigs and having them killed under cover of this swine flu.
The pigs provide employment, food and money. They are also used as guard pigs, they are an excellent deterrent and they keep peoples property, belongings,themselves and their children safe.
Some may think that it’s a bit fascist of them to keep pigs in a muslim country, but if it stops their kids from being abducted or raped then a bit of name calling isn’t going to bother them much.
Could go on but have things to do.
Is this the Rusty who replied to my malware post? (I refuse to go to 1.0 to find out.)
johnson has been looking for an excuse to turn on wilders for a long time now.
and its nothing to do with anything he has said.
the solo reason chas hates wilders is because he is a friend of pamela from atlas, thats the only reason that hateful man needs.
I don’t like my ex-wife,
my ex-wife likes pizza,
therefore I should dislike pizza?
Fu*k that, I like pizza too much.
justin case what you said.
Speaking of fascists, I posted this yesterday about The Crazy Guy at 1.0
12. TheSneak on 30 April, 2009 at 8:54 pm if you had any doubt that the crazy guy wasn’t crazy and didn’t have some bizarre agenda, #566 in that thread said
“Double standard. Freedom to express your opinion, but you, you shut up.”
and the crazy guy responds with
568 Charles
4/30/09 8:45:26 pm reply quote 0downupreport
re: #566 Wilderstad
Well, if nothing else, tonight I’m getting rid of some people who should have been banned long ago.
now THAT is some weapons grade crazy
Chucky has put up another post about the DHS memo, and he is throwing Ed Morrisey under the bus.
Nobody has been banned on the thread, although I suspect that TFK is getting under Chuckles’ thin skin.
I also noticed that most threads now get only about 200 to 300 comments, and more than half of them are Killgore and Sharmuta !!!! Surely CJ must realize that his blog has gone down the e-toilet.
So we lost Charles to dhimmitude and it looks like Jawa is next. Fuck you Charles you rotten infectious snake.
From Update II: Robert responds
Yup.
is there anyone left that The Crazy Guy who runs LGF hasn’t thrown under the bus?
12. justin case
No, the REAL reason that Charles turned against Wilders, as I pointed out on a previous thread, is because Wilders wants to align his party with the dreaded Vlaams Belang.
We do NOT have to ban Islam! Truthfully, saying that makes us all sound like lunatics. Although LGF likes to overstate their objection of this suggestion, the premise of its argument (that saying things like that are draconian, and unnecessary) are correct.
In the most simple way I can explain it, all of our justifiable fears regarding Islam can be relieved, and protected against with laws that are already on the books.
Jihad: Advocating violence is already against the law. Punish someone Islamic, Jewish, Atheist, Buddhist, Taoist, etc., who advocates violence (as defined by code) no matter what their religion or lack of religion is.
Rejection of America: This is called treason. Punish accordingly.
Calls for Dhimmihood: This could be criminalized though hate speech laws.
Acting on Islam’s Treatment Of Women: This could be criminalized under Equal Opportunity laws.
I could go on but I think you get the point.
Internal reform, and outright destruction are NOT the only options regarding organizations such as Islam.
We would benefit greatly if we were able to get past the over-the-top dramatic “kill them all” mentality.
I wouldn’t say the Jawa team is necessarily going all the way down the Johnson Abyss, only that they still appear to consider it worthwhile to stay in CJ’s good graces. They still have Jihad Watch in their blogroll, after all.
For whatever reason, CJ chooses to overlook that point.
Well, that didn’t take long.
21. WrathofG-d on 1 May, 2009 at 3:03 pm
We do NOT have to ban Islam! Truthfully, saying that makes us all sound like lunatics
Who’s saying that?
we’ve kind of forgotten what Wilders was talking about, defending against charles’ attack rather than telling the truth.
Wilders said that if you look at the hatespeech laws in his country, the koran ought to be banned, yet the muslims are given a pass… that’s not a request or desire to ban the koran, just a note on governmental hypocrisy.
The Qur’an should be banned for the same reason Mein Kampf is banned from some nations.
Lance,
It’s Friday, do you remember the old days at DDT?
We used to do Lexicons, or whatever they’re called. Here’s one for you to ponder.
NI( * )NE
Stuff like this is completely stupid and beyond childish for a washed up old jazz musician who now is a blogger hack.
Chuck such a half-wit, its almost comical.
I know 10 year olds that have more brains then that.
27. my5
yes, he is. lol
27. my5princesses
Spot on! Pun intended
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Johnson was asked this question by a poster,he couldn’t answer it.
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/496/johsondefinesfascism.jpg
M,
Hey beautiful, the princesses have gone to church for a mother/daughter thingy. What’s this old Grandpa to do without supervision tonight?
Chuckie has gone off the deep end on his bike. For him to say that 9/11 survivors should “get over it” is a bit much. Chuckles, I would not want to be standing around you if you said that to some FDNY members.
33 pc
but he isn’t. He’s safe from them in loony liberal land, called california
Hey folks wonder if chuckie will continue to ignore zombie going against the grain as well as Realwest. Surely every man, if he is a man, has a boundry that cannot be crossed..surely…but thats just me…
#33 pcgonewild
it’s obvious charles is over 9-11
Well CJ has banned me for defending Wilders and Europe. His blog has become less and less interesting and his complete ignorance of Europe is breathtaking…
As to Sharmuta, he is well-named…
I would just like to say a few things here, things that would/will probably get me the stick at LGF. I don’t think that Charles and most of the other posters are taking into consideration what the environment is like in the European countries. In Wilder’s own country, people are censored against what they can say and what they can’t say. Islam in a total in-your-face phenomenom over there, not so much here in the USA. I understand why Wilders is soooo supremely pissed. It is one way for one, and another for the others. WE have laws to ensure enquality here in American, Europe…not so much. His message may be rough around the edges, but I can see why he is angry. I for one will give him a pass and NOT call him a fascist. I really think that he is looking to America to see how we deal with these issues since his own country and the rest of the EU are letting it run rampant. Maybe he wants to know how the US maintains the balance without infringing on a person’s rights? That is how I take his speech, but that is just MHO
#35 insight
wondering the same thing about a number of the lizards left over there. my bet is the bullies will be the only ones left….
Seems Chuckie’s skin is getting thinner by the hour. This fellow “Pitiricus” was bitch-slapping the Mother Chucker and his yappy little mongrels all over the thread, countering every one of their “points” with fact and citations, all without breaking a sweat. Chuckie & Co., (several of which I firmly believe are sock puppets for him and for his pathetic inner circle), ran out of ideas, and so the flaccid little prick does what he always does and whipped out the banning stick.
The delicious irony was that among the many feigned outrages Chuck & Co. expressed was the burning of books and stifling of free speech. Of course, their only concern was the fate of Muslim books and the speech of the Imams in Holland.
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re: #419 Pitiricus
Since you’re so much in favor of restricting speech and banning things, I’m sure you’ll have no objection to being banned from spreading any more of your BS at LGF. Bye now!”
Yeah, Chuckles – you’re already full to overflowing in your putrid little kindgom – BS-wise.
33. PC gone wild
Can you point me to the thread where he says 9-11 survivors should “get over it”? I think he’s gone 9-10 on us but that is really beyond the pale.
Someone with the nic Zombie was posting at AoS a night or two ago. Sounded like her but one can never tell.
I used to like LGF… But the way Charles behaves now, he is really from the people’s Republic of California… My way or else I ban you… It is deliciously ironic given his attacks on Wilders…
#37 Pitriticus
You were handing Charles his fat ass, my friend.
Well done!
And yes, Sharmuta is indeed a used-up whore who doesn’t even merit payment for her services.
37. Pitiricus
Welcome to a free and better place.
haha
Stick a fork on darwinist rage boy. He is done!
I’m always amazed that the good folks banned at lgf know to come here.. heh
Actually, I live in California. As a matter of fact, I have lived in California longer than CJ has as I was born here and I am older than he is. Please stop putting all of California down. There are more conservatives rising here than you know about.
I guess Charles revert to type…
His attacks on Wilders are beyond the pale. And completely irrational. On the one hand he is for freedom of speech, on the other he would like to forbid Wilders to speak in the US…
Then Sharmuta’s attacks on European Law systems… Written from complete ignorance!
32. my5princesses
Stay outta trouble!
48 imtoast
well, you live in the state that has san fran, oakland, berkeley and gives us pelosi.
but don’t feel bad… I’m in oklahoma… at least you state is mentioned in the news. I’ve been asked if we still have indian attacks.
44. Solly on 1 May, 2009 at 3:53 pm
#37 Pitriticus
You were handing Charles his fat ass, my friend.
Well done!
Yes, i would have to totally agree with that.
johnson is ignorant of Europe,without a clue.
Oh, in that case Lance, I don’t mind!
M,
Going to the gym, then out to watch the Phillies play and have a couple of beers.
Take care of those boys and have a great weekend.
Dang, I hate I missed the ass-handing.
I wonder if Charles is at a MayDay parade, singing the Internationale
My5! There ya go! All you needed was a plan
# 34. LanceKates
That’s it, No Avocado’s for you NEXT!
One thing I must say. It seems Sharmuta is the snitch to Charles. I just noticed that on the DHS thread
#100 Sharmuta
There’s a fascist enabler on the Jawa thread.
It used to be a good blog… In memoriam
Here is some economic facts about my state California.
We are responsible for 13% of the GDP of the entire US!
If we were our own country we would have the 7th-10th largest economy in the world.
We give more money to the federal government then we receive.
Most American goods enter through the port of Long Beach, the 2nd busiest port in America.
We are the worlds 5th largest supplier of food and agriculture commodities.
We are the leading dairy state.
So if push came to shove, California doesn’t need rest of the US, but the rest of the US needs us.
Plus you and I live here!
Bar
I very much doubt your facts are right. California gives the most money to the federal goverment? I very much doubt that.
We’ve been saying that in Texas for over two hundred years!
California is an important state. I haven’t nearly seen the whole place. Just Los Angeles and San Francisco. I do like the weather. And you know what? People are friendlier there than they are in NY. Everyday regular workers in restaurants and hotels are extremely cheerful and pleasant just about all the time. It was very refreshing.
Despite the Hollywood Libs and The People’s Republic of San Francisco, there are a lot of conservatives out there and a sizable Ayn Rand following I’ve heard.
Welcome to Pitiricus. Good show, old fellow! I haven’t been here long and I too was banned from LGF for politely asking what was going on with the constant creationist threads.
To the rest, get ready folks, when this administration is through with the Bush administration officials they can railroad, they’re going to be coming after you and me. I just got through reading Charles Krauthammer’s WaPo article about torture and the comments there sicken me. The Reign of Terror, American Style is about to begin. It’s amazing to me that people in this country would rather side with terrorists than with their own countrymen. They have such a deep, abiding anger and bitterness that it overrides all logic and common sense.
Chuck is a joke. I like the threads showing how much of a joke he is. Don’t go away mad, Chuck, just go away. Or better yet, don’t wear a helmet when you ride your bike. Maybe the law of averages will be favorable.
It’s a joke!! Lighten up!
Pitiricus,
Welcome, I’m glad you challenged Charles.He doesn’t live in Europe, where the Islamo-Fascisst have a presence, protected by the Elites. He doesn’t understand what happens and how people react when they feel helpless.
62 Jamuka
Looking at tax foundation stats it seems true, 289,000(millions)for latest numbers. Now per capita it is different.
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/topic/92.html
And we still are the most F’d up in most categories, still I wouldn’t leave.
Chucky’s got a “100 Best Jazz Albums” thread up.
Here are some of my suggestions:
Chuck Johnson and the Ban Sticks: “Get Off My Website”
Sharmuta and the Syncopating Sycophants: “Suckin’ Up to Chuck”
Walter L. “Tourettes” Newton: “Foul Mouthed Horn”
Killgore Trout and the Bottom Feeders: “Scum Floats to the Top”
I wish there was some way to read what Pitiricus posted and what the lizards posted, you know, without going to LGF and giving him traffic.
If the facts are mentioned earlier in this thread, I am sorry.
The reason Geert can call for the banning of the Koran is because there is a Dutch law in place that bans hateful books. Mein Kampf, for example, is banned. So if we ban books, than certainly the koran should be banned. It is simply the application of a standard. Not an attempt to stifle free speech. Rather, the opposite.
# 62. Jamuka
Where did I say the most money of any state?
2003 stats show the state of California has a GDP of 1.7 trillion dollars, thus the 13% of the US GDP. I said we give more then we receive back, although this year may be different.
Speaking of California, I almost make an earthquake joke and then we just had one, but it was a weak 4.4 at Leo Carrillo State Beach, CA.
Anything under a 5.5+ is no fun.
http://scedc.caltech.edu/recenteqs/Quakes/ci10403777.html
71. bar
I thought I felt something. A small something, but a something never the less.
# 63. no2liberals
Could you imagine Texas and California as their own country?
The US would only be a portion of its former self, because really what are inbred hillbillies in Arkansas and places like Oklahoma going to accomplish?
I am just kidding and having some good natured ribbing.
Love the Muslima.com ads all over 1.0!
He says in the comments when someone mentions them that they are keyword-driven.
Hmmm,, and just the other day he said that all the ads for creationist stuff was due to some supposed vasts sums of money they have at their disposal.
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Please stop Charles.
No.
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And there is absolutely no chance of any kind of reconciliation between Robert Spencer and me. None.
Don’t waste your time trying to make it happen, Rusty.
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Just had a sock puppet pop up in the Jawa Report thread.
In case anyone has seen Rusty Shackleford’s latest at Jawa Report, here’s my answer:
No, I am not going to stop.
And there is less than zero chance of a “reconciliation” with Robert Spencer.
It kind of amazes me that anyone could see what that creep has been posting about me, and suggest that I reconcile. Not going to happen. Ever. I have lost every shred of respect I ever had for him.
#60 bar
California is also woefully broke and the REPUBLICAN governor of California was begging the Federal Government for bailout money.
While the size of california is big, the loopy liberals, overspending and VAST overtaxation, not to mention radical gun control in some areas, make it less than desireable in my eyes.
I’ll take Oklahoma. We still have liberals (in fact, our gov is a dem and the republicans control both houses of state congress for the first time in decades (if not ever)) but even our liberals own guns and have concealed carry permits. heh.
73 bar
“The US would only be a portion of its former self, because really what are inbred hillbillies in Arkansas and places like Oklahoma going to accomplish?”
I am NOT a hillbilly!!
*grins evilly*
oh, wait…. I meant I’m not inbred.
well…. wait, let me check on that….
*asks mom/sister/aunt/cousin*
73. bar,
Unlike any other state, Texas actually has a mechanism for legal secession. Texas never voted to be a part of the union, it was annexed, with the condition that Texas could divide into as many as five states, if it chose. If Texas’ desire to do so were prevented by the Federales, it could say the annexation is null and void.
Course, we would have a fight on our hands. If all of a sudden there were and additional eight conservative Senators, they might just as soon let us go.
I don’t know about Cali’s status, if they applied for and voted for, statehood.
The Future of LGF.
79 N2L
Texas is not alone when it comes to legal secession. Well, not originally. It was, prior to the Civil War, commonly held that the states had a right to pull out if the federal government started working against the will of the state. In fact, multiple early states have it specifically written into their state constitution.
What is often ignored about the Civil War, so that teachers can push the stupid notion that the Civil War was all about slavery by those evil southern folk, is that about half of the states that left only did so when it was announced that there’d be a FEDERAL army formed to FORCE the states back in.
The states that left did so over the federal government pushing a federal anti-slavery law by forcing anti-slavery representation (by requiring that all new territories be anti-slave, then letting there be a ‘free election’ upon statehood, knowing that the anti-slave position would have vast overrepresentation). This, however, came second to the overtaxation without representation (sound familiar?) by New England (specifically New York) which was constantly adding new taxes and tarrifs to any ships going into its ports and refusing entry to any ship (from the south) that didn’t pay the new tariffs and taxes.
The states that left saw that this action was going unstopped by the federal government and saw that their freedoms were being trampled, so they executed a plan that was generally thought of as legal: They left the United States.
The Federal Government, after the end of the Civil War, started to slowly grow and bloat until it reached what we have today…. something so large that it is commonplace to let it intrude into every aspect of your life and our arguments are over how much money we should spend for which projects.
No, the 10th Amendment used to mean something.
But, today, you are mostly correct…. Texas still reserves the right to pull away from the US as it sees fit. There are still a couple states that have it in their Constitution as well, but I don’t realistically see it happening. If Texas tried to pull away from the US, it would be quickly absorbed by Mexico who’d send in their army to retake the state.
while I’m still thinking about it, it should also be noted that there were MAJOR anti-slavery groups in every state that allowed slavery. They were making BIG grounds in outlawing slavery in those states, but the Civil War hampered the work of these groups. Some have suggested that if not for the civil war, slavery would have been ended without the need for mass bloodshed.
81. LanceKates,
My great-great-grandfather came home to Mississippi, at the age of 24, to recover from his wounds. As so often happened, he died of infection.
My grandmother grew up with the hostility she observed from all the families like hers, that heard the tales of the horrors of war.
They called it “The War of Northern Aggression.” They weren’t slave owners, and didn’t want to be, but they didn’t want the Federales telling them how to live, and what seldom gets mentioned is, that the union was blockading many major southern ports, and making it difficult for them to get their products to market, or receive goods, as well as the major banks in the north, freezing out the South for much needed capital for developing a manufacturing base, or for international commerce.
I would have said the notion of any states seceding was completely unrealistic, until recently. There is a mood, an undercurrent, I’ve not experienced or felt before.
Here is a link to a Republic of Texas website. There used to be several, some got into trouble with the law a few years back, and to my knowledge is the only one still active.
This group was crushed by the Clintoon administration. If you read all the way down, you will see why, and see that the case before the World Court has been under review(or in file #13), since 2001.
As for Mexico, we will tell them what we told them in 1835.
Picked up a stupid cold, with all the rain and going in and out of a/c.
See y’all later.
n2l
I am not sure about California, it was Mexico California before the war with Mexico in 1847 then we became a state in 1850.
I have a feeling our constitution is not like the Texas constitution.
“Fascist” is what a socialist slurs their fellow socialist with if they think they are not expansive enough in their socialism.
Picked up a stupid cold, with all the rain and going in and out of a/c.
See y’all later.
Yeah, right.
Mexican Flu… after a couple of hours on the can you’ll be OK.
The bug came through her eon its way to NY two weeks ago.
No, it’s a cold.
Ton’s of snot.
83 N2L
Yes indeed. The South was becoming the center for marketplace, since the main crops of the south were wanted badly in Europe. As such, Europe was dealing as often as possible with the South and the folks in New York City wanted to keep a stranglehold on commerce (sound familiar) so they worked to nullify any power the southern states might have had.
Couple that with a federal government already trying to stack the odds in their favor of federal government over state government (the slavery issue was what the federal-supporting folks chose to run with, easier for PR after all..)
Of course, the other side of this, that many teachers manage to leave out, is the vast amount of slavery in the ‘northern’ states.
Slavery was on its way out, the bloodshed of the civil war is laid at the feet of a growing federal government grasping for the same power that we cast off in the Revolutionary war.
bar,
I think it was the treaty of Guadelupe-Hidalgo, that set the make believe southern border.
/im out
89. LanceKates
Absolutely. If slavery were the main issue, then why did Lincoln say he would accept slavery, if it meant the union didn’t divide. And look how long it took for the rights of all men to be observed after the so-called War Over Slavery. In fact, there have been many different forms of slavery since then, mostly economic, such as the welfare state, which has enslaved several generations, with no end in sight.
Really-really-out now.
Unfortunatly, Oklahoma’s State Constitution specifically states that we are forever a part of the united states and that the Constitution is the law of the land.
If only the people who wrote that knew what Obama and the socialists have in mind for that Constitution.
# 77. LanceKates
I agree. We have a Donkey Governor that wears an Elephant suit and the Governator cant even pronounce the name of his own state. Its Cal-if-ornia not Kal-eee-fornia.
And we do have way to many loony liberals, way to many laws both gun laws and others. Although I do own some nice guns so our gun laws are not that bad.
And yes we are freaking broke, the Governator was supposed to fix that, after we recalled the last democrat Governor.
Now we did give America Ronald Reagan, he was our Governor before he was POTUS. And Reagan left Cali-fornia with a huge surplus, of course with all these dhimmicrats in office we will never see that again.
91 N2L
And don’t forget Lincoln not wanting the blacks to vote and even suggested that if freed they should be shipped back to Africa.
94 bar
Oh, I know…. I mostly dog CA out of jest.
Though after some of the folks y’all have put into office, I think “Maybe Lex Luthor from Superman I had it right…” (yes, yes.. kidding…. mostly…)
After all, I can’t totally hate CA…. you gave us Duncan Hunter.
Lance
We certainly have some good conservatives. Elton Gallegly is my rep.
And Tom McClintock is a great conservative, I voted for him, not the Governater
http://www.house.gov/gallegly/
http://www.tommcclintock.com/
But then we have liberals like Pelosi, Waters ect…
Tom McClintock is awesome, bar.
I’m not saying if I agree or not, I’m just posting this here because I remembered seeing it a couple of weeks ago and some of y’all are chatting about it:
Confronting Civil War Revisionism: Why the South Went to War
It’s a long article, and they document a lot of their claims.
I can’t believe Rusty came down with Charles on this one… geeze. I thought Robert Spencers reply was pretty on target.
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I won’t dispute that slavery was the underlying reason to justify the actions of both sides, but is still far too simplistic, based on what we know now.
As someone once said, the first casualty of war is the truth, and the same may be said of history, as the victor gets to write it.
There are a wealth of perspectives on the subject, and having grown up in the South, with ancestors who were directly impacted by that war, there are still more questions about the veracity of the claims by some historians, as evidenced by Lincoln’s own words.
For example, here is an interesting piece, HOW AND WHY ABRAHAM LINCOLN STARTED THE WAR OF NORTHERN AGGRESSION TO PROTECT HIS OWN POLITICAL CAREER.
As that link says, “If you read Lincoln’s first inaugural-address with any care at all, you’ll see that it was simply a declaration of war against the South. It was also filled with lies and specious reasoning.”
So here is Lincoln’s inaugural address for 1861, for full context.
I think many would be shocked to know what he said.
There is much more from various heritage sites, from the many different CSA states, including official documents and personal letters.
I found this piece interesting, DIXIE’S CENSORED SUBJECT
BLACK SLAVEOWNERS.
As I stated earlier, my ancestors from Mississippi, on my father’s side of the family, were not slave owners, and the link shows that few were.
Long before the Southern states seceded, there were other threats of secession by Northern states. Massachusetts threatened to secede in 1803, over the Louisiana Purchase, as they thought it would dilute their power in the union. Mass. claimed they had the right to secede. Daniel Webster defended Massachusetts in this attempt. The secession of Massachusetts was avoided by negotiation.
Then in 1814 began the Hartford Convention.
As we so often hear and see the adage, follow the money, I think it is no less true when talking about the War Of Northern Aggression, than any other event.
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Banning never works. The banning of Mein Kampf has done nothing to stem anti-semetism or interest in neo-naziism in Europe. Banning something only makes it more desirable to obtain.
Banning the Koran or Islam just means that even less Americans will know what Islam is about than do now. If anything, it should be made required reading. If everyone in America read the Koran and understood the true nature of the medieval barbarians who threaten our existence, there would be no more multiculturalist Dem party.
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I’m a native Californian, and it makes me sick to see what has become of our state. I agree with you – there are some good conservatives here, though far too few of them. I, too, like Gallegly and McClintock. My State Senator, George Runner, is great, but he is gonna be termed out. We have a beautiful state that is almost ruined beyond redemption by libs.
If you haven’t already read it, George Will has a good column about CA that I just read at Townhall. I wish we could recall Ahnold and return him to Austria.