Israelis have received the proper authorization from the Government to parade with Israeli flags through Northern Israeli towns. Although they got no resistance from any other towns they are going to march through, the supposedly loyal Arab-Israeli citizens and leadership of the Israeli town of Umm El-Fahmof are mobilizing to block the march, protesting, and threatening violence.
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(IsraelNN.com) Leaders of the Arab population in Israel are calling upon masses of Arabs to show up in Umm El-Fahm Tuesday in order to block the planned march by 100 Jews in the northern Israeli city. The marchers will hold Israeli national flags.
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[Member of Knesset] Ben-Ari noted: “We are just going to march with Israeli flags, not enemy flags. This is the country where the residents of Umm El-Fahm live, and it gives them stipends and a budget for their municipality.”
Ben-Ari’s mentor, the late Rabbi Meir Kahane, led a march into Umm El-Fahm in 1984. The marchers managed to make a small advance into the town but encountered a mass of rock-throwing Arabs and eventually had to retreat.
When the route of the proposed march was discussed in court, the police asked for it to pass on the outskirts of the Arab city, (ed- Israeli Jews cannot safely walk though an Israeli-Arab city IN Israel?) but the court accepted the organizers’ requests and insisted that it pass inside the city. Police have worked out a route for Tuesday’s march with Ben-Gvir and Marzel, but Ben-Gvir said that although the organizers have agreed to the route proposed by police, he is not happy with it and thinks that it “bodes ill.” The number of participants in the march was limited by the court to 100.
Amir Mahoul, head of the Subcommittee for Liberties in the Higher Monitoring Committee of Israeli Arabs, published an announcement Sunday in which he called upon the public to show up in the greatest possible numbers in order to physically block entry by the marchers. He also asked that human rights activists and Arab lawyers show up to document the events.
Mahoul said the Israel police “is not a neutral side and is not trying to maintain public order. It is a mechanism for depriving our public of the right to organize and oppose the aggression against it.” (ed-Israelis marching with Israeli flags in an Israeli city is “‘aggression”?)
MK Hana Sweid (ed-Arab-Israeli MK from “Hadash” the Communist Arab Party) said the planned visit to Umm El-Fahm was “an act of pure provocation” and warned that it could turn into a confrontation.
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The above is not unique behavior for the Israeli-Arabs against Israeli-Jews. On election day this year, the so-called loyal Israeli Arabs threatened, and assaulted Jewish Member of Knesset Aryeh Eldad while he was acting as an election monitor at Polling Place #12 in the city’s Arzi neighborhood.
MK Eldad replaced another Jewish election monitor who was prevented by police from entering the city altogether because of threats on his life. While MK Eldad was performing his duties, an Israeli-Arab mob began rioting and threatening him outside of the polling station. Rocks were thrown at security forces, and shouts of “Death to the Jews!” could be heard. (Video)
This was not in the “occupied territories”, or Gaza, and these were not the actions of Hamas, “palestinians”, Fatah, or Hiz’b'allah. These are Israeli-Arab citizens in an Israeli town well within Israel’s borders…and they consider citizens walking through their streets with their own national flag to be “aggression” and “provocation”!
Can we question their loyalty yet?
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Tags: Democracy, Israel, Israeli-Arabs, Loyalty, Riots, Violence
Are these Muslism or Arabic speaking Christians? Do the Arab Christians cause trouble?
Rodan
I do not know, but it is my understanding that these are Israeli-Arab Muslims.
Wait….Israelis are offended by their own flag? That is ridiculous! Their loyalty to the Country makes the U.S.’s San Francisco crowd look like patriots.
Israel really does seem to have a 5th column.
So typical of these people to call even flag waving, and fellow citizens walking through their city “aggression”. Always the pretend victim!
WrathofG-d,
That is what I figured. I never read about Israeli Arab Christians or Druzes causing issues. Anyway, this town should be renamed Arab Frisco!
Rodan
In general you are correct. Christians and Druze do not usually cause these types of issues. This is all part of the Muslim drive to destroy Israel.
The threat comes not only from outside (Hiz’b'allah, Hamas, Fatah) but from inside as well.
As much scorn I have for San Francisco, they have nothing on the Israeli-Arabs.
WrathofG-d,
Thats true about San Francisco. I mean If these Arab Muslims ran San Fran, these Leftist loons would be hanged! So your right.
Israel is just treading water right now. How long can they keep this up?
When Avigdor Lieberman, who merely says that all Israelis—including Arab Israelis—should have to take an oath of allegiance to the state of Israel before claiming citizens’ rights, is denounced as an “anti-Arab extremist,” it doesn’t look good. No one wants to face the facts because they are too painful.
7. Anastasia
You are exactly correct with that last statement. It is disgusting that people like Lieberman will get called “racist” for stating what should be obvious.
Political correctness and something they have yet to give a brand name to, are destroying intelligent people’s ability to state the obvious, and act accordingly.
Member of Knesset Ben-Ari, whom the Left, MSM, etc., like to libel with all sorts of horrible names noted the obvious correctly when he stated above “We are just going to march with Israeli flags, not enemy flags. This is the country where the residents of Umm El-Fahm live, and it gives them stipends and a budget for their municipality.”
He is exactly right! This is an Israeli town, and he is their Government. Their budget and public works are paid for by the same people they attack, throw rocks at, and refuse to allow enter their city. It is these treasonous Israeli-Arabs that scream “Death to the Jews”, yet, it is Ben-Ari, and Lieberman, and those evil “settlers” who are labeled as ‘racist’, ‘extremist’, etc.
Our world is flipped upside down.
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I maintain the position I have held for many years.
All Arabs out of Jewish land.
Sounds like a good position and should be extended…
The irony of it all is the these Arabs enjoy far greater freedom and wealth in israel then any other Arab country. But yet these traitors bite the hand that feeds them.
It’s hard to give up HOPE that the Arabs will someday CHANGE, but I fear that sooner or later Israel will be forced to kick many of them out.
The very hint that this MAY have to be done is, of course, politically eeeeevil. Funny, though. No one much cares about Jews being kicked out of Muslim territory.
The very hint that this MAY have to be done is, of course, politically eeeeevil. Funny, though. No one much cares about Jews being kicked out of Muslim territory.
No one cares much about Jews, PERIOD!
13. Anastasia
14. Savage
The accepted, ignored, and unacknowledged international Anti-Semitism, and lack of concern for the Human Rights of Jews sharply became obvious to me during the “Disengagement” in 2005.
The problem there was that the World wanted to make the Arabs get along with the Jews, and create a situation where they could live with Jews. (I say it this way, because Jews have no problem living with Arabs, most Israeli cities are ‘mixed” Arab & Jew).
So what was their solution to teach Arabs to accept Jews? Separate the two groups. But did they remove those who were threatening violence, causing the attacks, being the problem, NOPE, they removed the Jews. The Jews who were just trying to live their lives peaceably in homes! It didn’t stop there however as the Arabs couldn’t even live with dead Jews, or cemeteries on “their land”. (this again is odd, as Israel has many ancient Muslim cemeteries) So the World got Israel to uproot Jewish dead as well. While the world criticized Israel for this imagined slight, and that minor incident, they closed their eyes to the complete Arab refusal to allow even ONE Jew to remain in Gaza. This, of course, was only “natural” to the Jew-Hating world.
But the hypocrisy gets worse. For years, Israeli “extremists” have been stating that Jew and Arab cannot live together, and had suggested that the Arabs peaceably be moved to Arab/Muslim Countries. They were labeled “racist”, “nazis”, “extremists” and worse! Yet the same people who labeled the removal of Arabs those things, cheered and encouraged the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Jews, and lost no sleep over it. What they would not do to one Arab, they glorify against the Jews.
Then you must also wonder why they didn’t come up with the “liberal” and logical resolution to the issue of “Gaza occupation”: ending the occupation of course! The best way to have ended the “occupation”, while maintaining an environment of togetherness, and peace between Arab & Jew would have been to allow the Jews to stay, but to accept Palestinian sovereignty! We are told it is the “brutal Israeli Occupation” and not the Jews that the Arabs hate…..right!? So why couldn’t Jewish families stay in their homes and become “Palestinians”? This is a question noone dared to ask, and everyone ignored because the answer was too gross, too real, and would destroy their false outlook on the situation. But the acts of the Arabs after the Jews were ethnically cleansed answered it for us all…they burnt down the synagogues although they were clearly marked as holy sites….they dismantled the greenhouses even though they were given to them to act as their infrastructure….and then they elected Hamas, and reignited their Terror war against Israel. Everyone knows that if Jews stayed in Gaza without the so hated IDF protection, they would have all been slaughtered. Yet, even though the World accepts this disgusting hatred of Jews as fact….
…. the World still blames the Jews.
Jamuka sez, “The irony of it all is the these Arabs enjoy far greater freedom and wealth in israel then any other Arab country. But yet these traitors bite the hand that feeds them.”
Yes, and this shows that all their language involving Western-style human rights is a big fraud. They don’t care about those things. Israeli Jews should treat them accordingly.
Indeed, the first thing that should be said before dismissing anything related to human rights from a country like Arabia, Iran, etc., is that their concern is obviously phony, and if they want the US/West to take them seriously, they should forthwith install a democratic republic. In other words, we should simply refuse to engage them based on an system of ethics that they do not actually embrace.
Most of these Arab “Christians” are into the same heresy as the Catholic, Lutheran, Presbyterian and many other “churches” are into known as Replacement theology (heresy).
There’s a couple of different variants of these heresies, but they all have this retarded claim that the Jews have been replaced by their group, basically saying they are the Jews and the Jews are not the Jews.
Read up on these dangerous doctrines here:
http://shoaheducation.com/dangerousdoctrines.html
look to the short explanations to the right about these heresies.
And do remember that these are core doctrines of the false churches.
And about the Arab muhammadans, their only loyalty is to islam, their goal has always been the destruction of the Jew, they’re clueless pawns of satan.
Israel should send them back home to Egypt, Syria, SaudiArabia, Jordan, Iraq etc. or put them in Gaza, Judea and Samaria. Israeli politicians suffer all from the marxist political correctness disease, they will answer to the Almighty for how they lead the people.
Avigdor Lieberman wants to turn towns like Umm al-Fahm over to the Palis in exchange for Jewish settlements in the West Bank. Why should Israel continue to hold Umm al-Fahm, the largest 100% Arab town in Israel? By getting rid of all-Arab districts like this, Israel can get rid of hundreds of thousands of its disloyal Arab citizens, and assure itself of a permanent strong Jewish majority.
Wrath, Lieberman does indeed favor giving Jewish land to Muslims (e.g. in northern Israel). Or at least, this was what he said a few years back.
Of course, jeppo’s support for this plan shows he’s a RACIST! What’s wrong with Arabs in Eretz Israel, after all?
Naturally, I am opposed to such dishonesty and RACISM. I oppose Muslims of any kind in Eretz Israel. If anyone is to be expelled (and there are Jews in the areas Lieberman has said he would cede to the Arabs), I say expel the Muslims.
Anyway, as we’ll recall, jeppo supported the Gaza Disengagement/Expulsion/Progrom. So, he only supports kicking Jews out of their homes, never Muslims.
“I say expel the Muslims”
Oooh, I bet the Muslims are shaking in their boots: Some anonymous nobody in America is threatening to expel them! Better watch out Muslims, SK’s mincing down the warpath again!
20. Jeppo
Good non sequitur and needless insult!
18. Jeppo
That is a bandaid, not a resolution. Withdrawal and surrender of land only puts off the problem, it doesn’t solve it. You would think Israel could have learned that from Gaza, etc.
If you have a new option let us know, but the old failed ones are boring, and dangerous.
Springs of Youth, non sequiturs and needless insults are jeppo’s M.O.
What he finds appealing in Lieberman’s position (at least as it was a few years back) is that it “solves” the Arab problem by kicking out Jews, not Arabs. At least he isn’t an anonymous nobody like sk!
What’s amusing, though, is the sheer incoherence of jeppo’s position. He claims to be concerned about the Arabs. He wants them out to protect Israel’s Jewish majority! But then he cries racism and Kahanism when someone suggests that it is more prudent to expel Arabs (=mostly Muslims in Israel) rather than Jews. He could at least be consistent and say that he wants Israel to be “a state of all its citizens.” But no.
Also incoherent is his affection for cutting off Jewish land and giving it to Muslims in response to Muslim dominance on some piece of land. In truth, Jewish Israelis have a high birth rate, so the so-called demographic threat has turned out to be a non-issue. But if we grant that he’s right, it follows that his approach will eventually completely cede Eretz Israel to Islam. This should be obvious to anyone with any math background: if the growth rate of Group A is faster than Group B, in time Group A will always be the majority regardless of what the baseline demographic is for any area.
23. Sk
You hit on something mostly ignored by those who wish to give land for “peace”.
The claim made for expelling all Jews from Gaza was that it was “too expensive” to protect thousands of Jews surrounded by millions of Arabs, and thus it was just easier to give them “their land” and keep ours.
The underlying assumption behind this was that by giving Arabs “their land” it would ’solve the problem. Now we have the hindsight to see that it doesn’t, but I could have (and did) tell those who would listen that the assumption was wrong.
You intelligently understand this as well. Removing Jews from one area that is predominantly Arab doesn’t actually do anything to change the number of people, it just moves them around. Accordingly, you can move all the Jews from Gaza, but that doesn’t create more Jews in Israel, it just makes Israel smaller. The number of people remains the same. The only difference is that you no longer have the historical, religious, moral, and tactical advantages of the land. There are still X amount of Jews living on the entire land and Y amount of Arabs.
Any land “trade” will be moot if the underlying issues of the conflict are not dealt with, and if the “trade” is not of actual populations, instead of just “neighborhoods” (ie: land). You can “trade” Hevron for “the triangle” (Israel-Arab Towns) but the actual populations remain, and you simply create a “Gaza” situation. Insofar that the Arabs remain violent, they will Terrorise Hebron, and eventually the surrender Party will claim that it is “too costly to protect these thousands of Jews in Hevron”, just as they did with Gaza. So you “disengage” from Hevron, (without Transferring the Arabs of the Triangle). Mazel Tov, the Arabs have more land and the Jews get nothing but a smaller country.
Then the Arabs begin to attack “east” Jerusalem. Replay the scenario: “too costly” blah, blah, blah.
Then the Golan, then Haifa, then Akko, then Nahariah, then Tsfat, then Ramat Gan, then Ra’anna, then…, then…, then…
…then you have no more Israel.
None of the aforementioned “solution” deals with the facts that (a) the Arabs wish to destroy Israel and have never said otherwise, (b) when given land they only use it for Terror, and (c) giving land (ie: surrender) would only be rewarding their bad behavior.
#17- Bible Believer— The Catholic Church explicitly and formally repudiated “replacement theology” at the Vatican II Council in the 1960’s. (The one good thing to come out of that Council, IMHO.)
The Church in any case at no time maintained that “the Jews are not the Jews.” They may have believed that the New Covenant “superceded” the Old, and they may have held that the New was essential to eternal salvation, but they still recognized the Old as holy and the Jews as legitimate heirs to it. If the medieval Church, for example, had thought that the Jews were no different from Muslims, infidels, or heretics, they would have treated them accordingly—which is to say they would never have let them live in Christian countries at all.
#23- sk
#24- Wrath
Israel is treading water. At some point they are going to have to make a hard decision about whether to sink or swim.
I happen to think that point is coming sooner rather than later. But where is the leadership?
This isn’t about “land for peace”. Who said anything about peace? The Lieberman plan is about securing a permanent, overwhelming Jewish majority in Israel, which BTW is down to only 76% Jewish and shrinking rapidly. Getting rid of cancerous entities like Umm al-Fahm (which has ZERO JEWS out of a population of 40,000) is part of this process.
All of you who want mass deportations of Arabs, answer me this: Which Israeli political party supports this action, and how many Knesset seats did they win in the recent elections? The answer is none and none. So why don’t you ask yourselves why only anonymous American blog commenters, rather than actual Israelis, seem to support mass deportations? Because Israelis realize that it wouldn’t be a walk in the park, like some of you seem to think it would be. That’s why Israel Our Home (Lieberman’s party) is the fastest growing party in the country, because they have a realistic plan. The solution to Israel’s long-term demographic crisis are territorial exchanges, not the laughable chimera of mass deportations.
27. Jeppo
You need to pay closer attention to my response next time. I actually answer your statements regarding “securing a permanent, overwhelming Jewish majority in Israel.” I explain to you how your suggestions are flawed and would not accomplish that goal. I am sorry you chose instead to ignore that fact.
Next I wish to respond to your statement that it isn’t about “peace”. Well, if it isn’t going to bring peace, then why give up anything? If it is going to be a continuous war, then I would go with other War like options. Giving up any land, especially when one already knows it won’t bring about peace, is moronic. You again rely on false presumptions to create your argument. This time it is that it is either “Jewish Towns” OR “Arab Towns”. I say we get both. Let the Jewish towns remain a part of Israel, as well as the Arab towns. Like every other Country in the world, if the citizens (Jewish OR Arab) are disloyal, and traitors, they should be dealt with accordingly. You don’t reward their treason with autonomy! That would only encourage further treason.
Your argument that an resolution to the Conflict that isn’t universally accepted now by the Israeli public holds no merit is really weak. According to that logic, Obama’s plans for the economy would have to be the best because he got the majority of the vote. I would imagine that you don’t believe that to be true. I would also guess that you are not very familiar with the Israeli public, Kach, the Israeli Supreme Court, or the Israeli media system. If you were you would understand the media bias, the out of control partisanship of the Supreme Court, and the history of Israel breaking laws to destroy any “transfer” parties when they gain power, and their having made those types of parties outright ILLEGAL. So my friend “Jeppo” that is why you don’t find them in existence today.
Lastly, I don’t think that someone using the name “Jeppo” on a blog should lecture others about being “anonymous blog commentators”
I won’t even get into your baseless assumptions about my connections to Israel.
Hey, Wrath of God, was I addressing you? No I wasn’t, so why don’t you take your superior attitude and condescending tone and address it to someone who gives two shits what you think, rather than me, who doesn’t.
You don’t like the Lieberman Plan, fine. I do, for the reasons I enunciated, and so do a significant and growing fraction of the Israeli population. Meanwhile, you and your pal SK are represented by not even a single Knesset member. Oh, I forgot, your dearth of representation is because of a massive conspiracy involving all the pillars of Israeli society, not the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of your “ideas”. Those damn Israelis just aren’t living up to your ethnic cleansing/genocidal ideals.
BTW my name is James Pillman. What’s yours? Fucking coward…
Chuck Johnson me if you must, otherwise I will continue to offer opinions here that you might not like.
Mmkay?
Jeppo
As for the “conspiracy” you need to do your research on the Governmental response to Kach, and Kahane when he ran then earned seats in the Knesset and how they then thereafter banned his group, or any group that advocated “transfer” from every running for Knesset. That is a fact.
Again, I don’t see what your “well the Israeli public doesn’t think so” has to do with my opinion or the fact that I believe my opinion is correct. As I pointed out above, your “majority rules” (for lack of better brand name) logic would lead us to have to accept that Obama is the best choice for President of the United States because he got a majority of the vote. I do not agree with this logic.
Furthermore, my statements went further than just stating that I didn’t like this so-called Lieberman plan, but instead pointed out that it wouldn’t work. Instead of countering my substantive argument you instead choose to use curse words, personal insults, and just repeat your original statement. This is your right, of course, but it doesn’t do much for proving your point.
Notice how I did that without using curse words, insulting anyone, etc?
Thanks for the offer to ban you, but i’m not that thin skinned. I could do without the personal attacks, curse words, etc., but you are free to disagree with me (or anyone here) all you would like. Again, I would prefer if you were able to do so respectfully, but if you don’t that will reflect on you more than it will me. Lastly, no one, especially me, ever told you , or discouraged you from voicing your opinion. Any victimization you feel is of your own emotional creation.
The Lieberman plan will do exactly what it’s meant to do: Remove hundreds of thousands of Arabs from the Israeli body politic without resorting to ethnic cleansing. To most Israelis, Arab towns like Umm al-Fahm won’t be missed when they’re transferred to the Palis. What do you propose to do with the 40,000 Arabs of Umm? Deport them? Shoot them? Or watch them grow into 100,000+ Arabs a few years from now?
31. Jeppo
I would require loyalty from them first. If they were disloyal I would charge them as I would any other disloyal/treasonous citizen. However, as a point of magnanimousness, I would offer them the opportunity to instead leave for a Arab Country of their choice instead of life in prison.(Israel doesn’t have death penalty)
The rule of law applies to all citizens!
The problem I have with any “land trade” is what I described above. I do not believe it actually resolves any of the underlying causes to “The Conflict”, nor changes anything. It provides no actual solution to this imagined population growth problem, or the underlying question of Jewish or Democratic State. Your plan is a band-aid on a damn, it only slightly resolves an insignificant portion of the flow of water, but does nothing to repair the actual crack in the dam.
It looks like jeppo is trying to get kicked out — maybe so he can get out of the dreadful bind that his incoherence and dubious arguments have placed him in?
This incoherence is so extraordinary and so multifaceted that I thought only an Israel could not notice it. It’s really too much for me to elaborate on points I’ve made several times before, but for the newbs here, I’ll summarize.
(1) The Incoherence of the “Demographic Problem.”
The jeppists have been advocating “Land for Ethnic Purity” (i.e., give away land that has mostly Muslims to preserve the Jewish majority in the remaining land) for decades. They claim that high Arab birthrates relative to Jewish birthrates makes this imperative. Let’s leave aside the bogus numbers (supplied mainly by the PA and accepted by leftist “demographers”). It used to be that this argument was mainly used for Judea and Samaria. The jeppists now include land in pre-67 Israel. The incoherence is simple to show mathematically. Let’s suppose, for the sake of clarity of exposition, that the Arab population doubles every 7 years, and the Jewish population every 14 years. Define some arbitrary area A as the land in question. Suppose the population in A at time T1 is 250,000 Arabs and 1,000,000 Jews (a 1:4 ratio). Now we arbitrarily increment the year marker (T1, T2, … TN) by 14 years for each marker. It follows necessarily that at time T2 there will be 1,000,000 Arabs and 2,000,000 Jews (a 1:2 ratio). At T3 there will be 4,000,000 Arabs and 4,000,000 Jews (1:1). And at T4 there will be 16,000,000 Arabs and 8,000,000 Jews (2:1). The point should be obvious to anyone: regardless of the starting ratio, insofar as Arabs have a higher growth rate, it is INEVITABLE that ANY land with ANY Arabs will eventually have an Arab majority. Therefore, anyone who believes in the so-called demographic crisis MUST also maintain that only COMPLETE EXPULSION of the Arabs is feasible. Anything else merely delays a mathematical inevitability. Yet the jeppists refuse to accept this.
(2) The Incoherence of “RACISM.”
jeppists and leftists prattle against “racism” and “ethnic cleansing.” In fact, though, for their “solutions” to succeed, Jews must be ethnically cleansed. jeppo supported the Gaza expulsion, which tells you that he has nothing against ethnic cleansing, so long as the victims are Jews.
(3) The Incoherence of Giving Land to the Enemy.
Typically, a jeppist claims that some land giveaway will get the Arabs–who are decried as very bad people who can’t be dealt with reasonably–out of Jewish hair. Notice, for example, how jeppo refers to “cancerous entities like Umm al-Fahm.” This is supposed to show that he’s no friend to the Arabs and can be trusted. The incoherence is that the same nastiness that the Arabs perpetrated on official Israeli soil (the nastiness that justified the land giveaway) will also continue when the land is controlled by Arabs. So, if one takes this rationale for land giveaways seriously, it is sure to lead to at least as bad a situation as before and probably a worse situation. No surprise that Gaza is now a forward base for jihad against the Jews.
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jeppo adds new deceptions to this familiar list.
(1) Suddenly he’s for Lieberman’s plan. But those who actually know the plan also know that Hevron would be Jewish. In other words, L is indeed supporting transfer of Arabs. I assume jeppo knows this and just doesn’t mention it. Anything to win an argument.
(2) jeppo doesn’t mention that the L plan is subject to the same kinds of foreign (and domestic) pressures as a naked transfer. Yet jeppo has argued elsewhere that such pressures prevent transfer. The most likely fact that any implementation of the plan will bring is new land for Arabs and no more land for Jews.
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I’m tired, but I hope everyone gets the message by now.