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Thanks to both Robert Spencer and Pamela Gellar for sharing this incredible news! Aqsa Parvez is being memorialized by the town of Pelham, Ontario. That is the girl in a graveyard with only the number 774 as her grave marker. Butchered up by her family. All HAIL the town of Pelham ON! |
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R.I.P. Aqsa Parvez.
For all the wrongs done to you, there are those who will not let this injustice stand.
Poor girl. Horrible story. Never take your freedoms for granted. Look at this innocent child savaged by her own self-styled 7th century kin.
I’m gonna talk to Pamela and Robert this week about raising money for the memorial site.
I think it’s important.
This whole Parvez murder makes me shiver. That girl is young enough to be my daughter.
If I post here it might be picked up by 1.0.
I’ll be back.
Thanks
Wasn’t she strangled?
Ah, some GOOD news for a change! No one could stop Aqsa’s murder, but at least someone is stopping the rest of the murderer’s agenda—-i.e., to erase every memory of the girl.
Sorry, Chucky, but Pamela Geller deserves a round of applause for this one.
Chen, yes she was garotted by her dad but in my world, butchered up = murdered.
You know, I’m still going to question the motives here. Why all the attention to this girl? Because she was Muslim?
I just don’t get it. Domestic violence kills thousands of people every year. Husbands murder wives. Wives murder husbands. Mothers murder children, etc. I don’t see Robert and Pam diving into the sources and motivation for all those, or setting up fundraisers for memorials. Heck, a woman dies every hour in Russia, and no one says peep.
The problem is cross-cultural and international, and rooted in everything from alcoholism to jealously to greed to pride to, I’m sure, theology. It is widespread and epidemic.
So why doesn’t Pam et al point out the victims of Christians and Jews and Atheists and Deists? Or make a statement on what these statistics tell us about the disintegration of family values (a conservative hot button, of course)?
Easy, this girl was Muslim, and Pam and Robert think that her death might have had something to do with the teachings of Islam. So, what do you know, they jump all over it, knowing they can easily slide behind a smokescreen of “compassion”.
To me, the motivation is plain as day.
To use this one girl’s death to grind some broader ideological axe is pretty shameful, if you ask me. Let her be.
I think that my last comment might have been caught by the spam filter.
chenzhen why dont you take a flying leap
#10 chenZhen
All legitimate questions. Although I am not especially familiar with Aqsa’s story, I think the reason this one individual is getting so much attention is because of two major factors (a) why she was killed and (b) what happened to her after she was killed.
The “why” is because of the Islamist idea of “honor”, and her desire to assimilate into her larger culture. For these reasons alone, her parents didn’t simply punish her, they killed her (gruesomely I believe as well).
The “what after” is that they attempted to bury her anonymously as another insult to her, once again based on Islam, and because she ‘dared’ try to be more Western.
Although your larger point (that we should be concerned with all victims of Domestic Violence) is true, Aqsa for the reasons above presented a special case because of the Islamist angle. This is why two Anti-Islamists like Atlas, and Robert became involved.
The murder of Aqsa also is part of a larger problem that Robert, and Atlas concentrate on: Islamistization of cultures, and some of their backwards actions which they wish to force on the larger Western culture. Aqsa (unfortunately for her) fit all of the requirements for a Atlas, or Robert crusade.
Unfortunately, you are right. There are too many victims of domestic violence around the world, and all of them should get the attention that Aqsa is. Atlas, Robert, etc., however concentrate on Islamistization, and Anti-Jihad matters, and thus the single case of Aqsa.
Hopefully that clears some things up for you.
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wrath-
First off, she was strangled, and died at the hospital. No one was “butchered”. A strangulation would leave one to deduce that it was a father’s crime of passion, and not some ritualistic family “honor killing”. Who know, maybe he didn’t intend to kill her, but went too far with his violent rampage. But could the source of the passion be rooted in religious beliefs? Sure. Is that type of murderous passion unique to followers of Islam? Hardly. But it was probably a heck of a lot more complicated than that. I don’t know; I wasn’t there. But neither were you, and neither was Pam or Robert.
Do you know this for certain (the reasoning)?
But do you honestly think that a Muslim girl would want to be memorialized by the likes of Pam, or the guy who wrote “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam”?
I mean, come on.
I think the city council of Pelham got bamboozled.
#9-ChenZhen- What Wrath said.
In any event, your musings make good sense if, and only if, your main concern is passing moral judgment on the memorial supporters.
If I write a fat check to the homeless mission only to impress others or to further my career, I don’t deserve any moral brownie points. Yet the homeless mission gets the money just the same and the OBJECTIVE outcome is good.
The objective outcome of the memorial supporters’ efforts is to prevent Aqsa’s murderer from killing even the slightest memory of her existence. That, IMO, is a very good thing, regardless of the state of memorial supporters’ souls.
When you say “Let her be,” i.e., don’t set up a memorial to her is that because the supporters were “shameful?”
If so, I suppose you would also want the homeless mission to tear up that hefty check I wrote them. OTOH, if you’re saying LET HER BE forgotten because it just doesn’t matter, I disagree.
#14- I have a friend whose daughter was murdered. After 6 years they still haven’t found the body.
A park adjacent to the girl’s high-school planted some dogwood trees and put a memorial bird-bath thingy there for the girl. I happen to know the guy that organized the drive to do it was a glad-handing, social-climbing ass. My friend knows that, too, but it doesn’t make a bit of difference to her. There’s a place where her daughter’s friends and family can go to pay tribute. There’s a spot of beauty to remember the girl by. There’s a MEMORIAL for the graveless girl.
IF you want to assume the worst about Pamela Geller, I’d have to say that you
and she both agree about one thing: It’s all about HER.
I think it’s about Aqsa.
Chen
With all due respect, you must know by now how some Muslims operate when it comes to honor killing. Must you go clinical and try to evaluate the crimes of the Allah prone case by case?
And in respect of your link of others(one other) that do evil things in the name of their faith, the evidence of Islam, and its adherents to it, is overwhelming in its atrocities when compared to the others you may cite.
Song_
The Pastor who killed his wife did not do it “in the name of his faith”, but as I understand it, AGAINST his faith.
This might be a difference between Islamists and this Christian.
Wrath
Right. There is a difference. The murderers found within other faiths outside Islam are not like those found within.
The 1.0 faith bashing meme is a creeping thing.
Could you some time in the near future post a thread on your outstanding music links.
I see Chen’s argument as just crazy. To imply some false clandestine motive because Robert Spencer cares about this girl death but he didn’t show he cared about all the other deaths is a logical fallacy or fallacies. Strawman for sure and also kinda a false dichotomy.
The strawman is his assumption that Robert does not care, I am sure Chen has not bothered to ask him, and Robert runs Jihad Watch, not domestic violence watch. So of course he is going to write about Moslem on Moslem violence.
bar
Chen is playing the devils advocate, and he does this often with a degree of success. He raises questions and dissects the issue on many occasions, but in this case is clearly wrong.
And for the record, I like you Chen.
Song
I like Chen also.
But what a strawman argument that was.
So anyway, since this was the story that had 1.0 quoting me when it became a contentious story and a pique to the 1.0 blogtator I will say this.
I am happy the family of Aqsa and their wishes to have her not remembered are ignored or challenged by decree.
The family consented and approved of her murder and were eventually ignored and she is acknowledged as embracing the laws of her new country and died doing so.
And as a sorrowful benefit, 1.0 was proven wrong once again in the minds and hearts of those who trust and believe in what is right.
But of course this was none of our business.
1.0. Is crow on the menu?
song-
The operative word being “some” I suppose.
When people are tossing out words like “butchered”, it kinda hints that there’s an effort to make it out to be more than it actually is. This wasn’t a case of some kid escaping out of the Temple of Doom™ , collapsing in Indiana Jones’™ arms, and telling tales of drugged-out zombie cult members enslaving children to mine for magical diamonds or something. At the end of the day, this is a tragic story of domestic violence, that unfortunately, happens way too often all over the place. I guess this instance features the fairly rare aspect that the family squabbles that let to it might have been rooted in faith (as opposed to the others that were mentioned, or unmentioned), but really isn’t any more messed-up when it comes right down to it. Its all crazy.
Well, hey, at least I found something that happened in the US.
Chen
You are correct in the operative word being ’some’. And once again you have found the prime nugget in written words. It is a testament to your acumen in finding the crux of the argument.
If a family agrees and consents to the killing of one their own ‘butchered’ may not be the right term, but still, the license to kill my own child or close relative can be clothed in a like manner if I consented to it.
And to find the nugget in your words, this was no ordinary case of ‘domestic violence’ or ’squabbles’ over faith. If it was, then what kind of faith is that that they embrace?
This was not a one off, never heard before, kind of thing that is an aberration. It is common among those who espouse Islam.
You must realize this by now. You are a man of reading and a worthy news gatherer, right?
She may not have been ‘but
#9 ChenZen:
I don’t see the problem with people focusing on one area of concern.
There are people who maintain ex-Mormon sites – are you going to criticize them for also not speaking out on behalf of the traumas endured by members who once belonged Jehovah’s Witnesses?
Maybe Spencer et al are genuinely moved by the plight of this girl and are not “exploiting” her.
In light of the fact that Spencer probably gets death threats constantly from extremist Muslims, and that he’s likely to get even more negative attention from the extremists for this, I’d say his motives probably fall under the umbrella of altruism.
Chen said,
Why should they?
Chen said,
Of course they do.
Don’t know about this Pam person, but Spencer runs an anti-Jihadist blog, a blog that monitors violence by radical Muslims and similar matters.
Yet you find it questionable or weird that Spencer might want to discuss or mention a victim of Islamic violence?
If I ran a blog about the dangers of the KKK and white supremacist groups, you would find it suspicious or weird that I would choose to publish content containing examples of white on black violence?
Would you not find it strange if I did not?
Would you ask me at my hypothetical anti-KKK blog why I was not blogging against Chinese oppression of Tibet?
Would you chastize me at my hypothetical anti-KKK blog for not speaking out against child abuse, embryonic stem cell research, date rape?
Why does a blog that is against “X” also have to discuss “Y,” and “Z?”
Questioning Spencer’s motives is just plain funny. The man makes no secret that he is opposed to sharia law and violent forms of Islam… so no, it’s not surprising that he’d cover stories about a girl who was a victim of Islamic violence.
WTF? Aqsa embraced Canadian culture, and rejected the islamic one. She was of one mind, not torn between two. It was her family who was torn, well, not realy. It was her family who rejected Canadian culture. That piece of paper contains weasel words written by weasel politicians. Naming a pocket park in Pelham after Aqsa, replete with a plaque using the word ‘honor-killing’, would be the way to go.
“Let the children come unto ME for of such belongs the kingdom of heaven” – Lord Jesus Christ.
Maybe she was not honored while alive, but, thank God, she’ll be honored after she has crossed to the other side of existence.
OT, but very interesting.
Ayers and Dohrn.
Pam Gellar did a great job. I am extremely happy with this development!
Chen–thanks for being a voice of reason on this thread. I feel deeply for Aqsa. I also feel VERY deeply for Atefeh Rajabi-Sahaleh (the transliterations of her name vary) and have written much about her. I also at one time tried to get Pamela to do the same, and she never did, nor does she do so now. Nor about the campaign by Stop Child Executions that ended up saving the life of Nazanin. Just IMHO of course, but if you’re going to claim to be campaigning for memorializing one girl out of an interest for human/women’s rights, then shouldn’t more of these murdered women get at least a post or two at Atlas Shrieks? At least a mention? It fits the “Muslim-on-Muslim crime” criteria mentioned above.
Like Chen, I am usually just playing devil’s advocate here. Still, I see no truly selfless motive in this campaign of Pamela (oh, and for the OP here, it is GellER not GellAR) and Spencer on this issue. That doesn’t mean it’s not an important issue, just that it is yet another rather attention-getting crusade on Spencer and Geller’s part.
Actually, Pamela does run LONG posts that include many victims of honor killings, pictures, location, age, reason of the honor(less) murders that she knows of. She also keeps a pic of two other girls, sisters, killed by their family in her top left sidebar. I do applaud these actions and the raising of awareness of these crimes. But Chen is correct, it is only because they were killed by their Muslim families. Any live Muslim girls are either suspected of potentially becoming radical or lamented as being “suppressed” as if all Muslim women are suppressed or want someone the likes of Pamela to speak for them in the first place.
In fact, here are some rather witty Muslimahs who wrote a post on this whole issue, of the fallacies in people like Pamela writing about Muslims at all, and in particularly of Pamela’s coverage of Aqsa Parvez:
A Satiric Guide to Writing About Muslims. Before beginning their satire the writers at Muslimah Media Watch wrote a lovely bit of their own about Aqsa. Then they take on the absurdity of someone like “Atlas Shrieks” getting herself involved in this with some hilarious rules, such as this one:
“Rule #2: Always be confident that you know everything there is to know about Islam, and that you understand it better than most Muslims do.”
HAHAHA!! Anyone still thinking that Pamela isn’t being self-serving and condescending in this onslaught of posts should really read the whole MMW post.
Otherwise, thanks for the news tip, I hadn’t checked my “targeted” sites yet today!
ChenZen,
Your lame attempt to shrug off Islamic honor killings as nothing more than every-day domestic violence is absurd. Furthermore, your even lamer attempt to equate the murder committed by that Alabama preacher with Islamic honor killings betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of both Christianity and Islam:
What the Alabama preacher did is condemned by the Bible, what the family of Aqsa Parvez did is condoned by the Koran, Hadith and Sunnah.
Voice of reason? The reason being that it’s their “right” to kill their daughter and then have her memory forever erased?
Sounds reasonable.
Not.
BTW…Yeah, yeah, I know there are plenty of moderate Muslims who don’t do honor killings, jihad, etc. etc. Most people are just born into their religons and they don’t take what their scriptures say seriously.
Unfortunately, the moderate Muslims don’t seem to do a whole heck of a lot towrds answering their more fundamentalist bretheren.
The jury is still out in my head about what Pamela is doing regarding this memorial.
OK, there is another, in all fairness I must mention this, another report on an honor killing at Atlas Shrugs today.
Last month, the British government controversially refused entry to Geert Wilders, enforcing a ban it had placed on the Dutch parliamentarian for his anti-Islam film, Fitna. While Britain works to eliminate the “threat” from the critics of Islam, however, the British government is facing a far greater peril from the spread of radical Islam on its own territory.
The CIA reportedly has warned President Obama that Islamic extremists living in the United Kingdom are now viewed as the greatest threat to the United States. “Around 40 per cent of CIA activity on homeland threats is now in the UK. This is quite unprecedented,” one British official was quoted as saying in The Telegraph.
Further heightening the threat, these extremists are becoming ever more connected with overseas terrorist networks. Dozens of British citizens are believed to have traveled to Somalia, to fight alongside Al-Qaeda-linked Islamic militants seeking to seize the country from the current government. The Somali militants are reportedly receiving funding from the large Somali community in the United Kingdom. British Muslims have also been providing Taliban forces in Afghanistan with bomb parts, while others are thought to have joined the battlefield and fought against the British military.
http://windsofbabylon.com/2009/03/12/londonistan-rising——by-ryan-mauro.aspx
Maybe some people need to spend some time here…..International: International Campaign Against Honour Killings
http://www.stophonourkillings.com/index.php
Remember when I mentioned the Cuban drug dealers the first time I posted on your hate site? Would you like to know who asked me to post that comment or are you too big a coward.? It rattled your nerves enough to make me the first victim of your hate sites purges. You always ran away with your tail between your legs, why are you so afraid?
What are you talking about?
I think “Voice from the Past” forgot to take his meds this morning.
FBI raids office of D.C. CTO, Obama appointee
Federal agents this morning are searching the office Washington, D.C.’s Chief Technology Officer.
The search is part of “an ongoing investigation,” said a spokeswoman for the FBI’s D.C. Field Office, Lindsay Gotwin, said. She declined to comment further on the raid of office, at 1 Judiciary Square.
The Washington Post reported that the FBI arrested Yusuf Acar, 40, an information systems security official in the office.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0309/FBI_raids_office_of_DC_CTO_Obama_appointee.html
No, Hearing Voices. You were purged for spamming all the threads with the same bullshit. Are you trying to get sent to the corner once again?
I mean it was only yesterday. Is your short term memory that messed up?
Arwyn
Did I miss something with this “voice from the past”?
When did we become a “hate site”, and when did we “purge” anyone?
I think someone has us confused with 1.0.
Wrath, it’s the “oracle” from yesterday. He’s got a crush on Rodan. Savage put all his posts in spam last night because he kept posting the same stuff over and over.
A young Christian man was set on fire by a Muslim man in Egypt after a rumour circulated that he had had a relationship with the Muslim man’s sister.
Yasser Ahmed Qasim approached 25-year-old Sabri Shihata and poured gasoline on the Coptic Christian and then set him on fire, reported the Voice of the Copts on Friday. The young Copt tried to put out the fire by throwing himself into a nearby canal, but the burns were too severe and he later died.
http://windsofbabylon.com/2009/03/12/egyptian-christian-burned-alive.aspx
Arwyn
Oh, how mature. /
Erase this post, but I sent you an email from the Blogmocracy account. My hotmail wasn’t working.
Pamela surely has some jealous do nothing shadows don’t she? Pamela who actually gets out there in the thick of it and with passion. AND her blog did not take a drastic turn at all when she took up the cause for that memorial of yet another victim of muslim honor killings. So many so little time.
A great warrior is Pamela…bless her.
What you said Frog.
Well said.
We need more Robert Spencers and Pamela Gellers.
LexChaos said,
Yeah, and the problem with this (with Spencer and others discussing this) is what, exactly?
If someone runs a blog speaking out against violent strains of Islam, against sharia, etc, it should not come as a surprise when that blogger features a story on honor killings.
See my post above to Chen, #27.
Islam is a violent religion, its holy texts contain content telling its followers to kill non-Muslims, so it comes as a surprise to you that some people would want to speak out against this, or that they find it disturbing?
# 32 Lex
She did, I guess you was sleeping on the job.
It was cross posted here or don’t you pay attention?
And both Lex and Chen should realize that Jihad Watch posted about Amina and Sarah and they are memorialized on the left sidebar at JW.
So both of your claims are pure BS.
Here is a link to JW and a search of “honor killing”
http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&client=google-coop-np&cof=AH:left%3BCX:JihadWatch%2520Website%3BL:http://www.google.com/coop/intl/en/images/custom_search_sm.gif%3BLH:65%3BLP:1%3BVLC:%23551a8b%3BGFNT:%23666666%3BDIV:%23cccccc%3B&cx=013255222075609514560:yu16amghxpi&adkw=AELymgV4_CXRJSKNc-03VbwfstAiFuUtUqkO6L4w_5AU3JuPu_LHA_r5zMQfhaRrMX-pKeyvP9pkmRKkzlmczgi2IU40mvExwQB3fYVPcYHJ3caGinGDdHA&q=Honor+Killing&start=0&sa=N
It’s a big list.
Lex and Chen are both indulging in their usual SDS and PDS; Spencer derangement syndrome, and Pamela derangement syndrome. The memorial was sponsored by Spencer and Pamela, therefore it is evil.
And, therefore, they’re coming up with ridiculous arguments, such as, hey, Aqsa was strangled, not butchered, so that makes everything okay, right? And, maybe the father didn’t really mean to strangle her, maybe it was just a crime of passion, so that makes everything okay, right? And maybe Spencer and Pamela didn’t have 100% pure motives, who’se to say?
They’re angrier at those who want to memorialize Aqsa than they are at the family who killed her.
But that’s okay, because Lex feels very deeply for Aqsa, so that makes everything all right.
And both Spencer, and Pamela, do run stories about other victims of Islam, and Moslem violence. They have not focused just on the Aqsa case.
What’s more, somebody needs to focus on the issue of Islamic honor killing, before it becomes widespread here—but everybody refuses to talk about it because it’s somehow politically incorrect.
Now Yaza, quit being so logical.
That’s right, Escovado, I should stop doing so much thinking. I need more nuance! I think I’ll sing! (Sings) Feelings, whoo, whoo, WHOOOOO feeeeeeeeeeeeeelings!
Feelings make everything all right.
{Escovado!}