Obama has announced that the Iraqi insurgency has won. Beginning August 31, 2010, the American infidels will tuck tail and run.
Personally, I would have preferred a swarm of Apache AH-64 Gunships flying non-stop missions. If they aired their engagements on Pay-Per-View, we could take a chunk out of the deficit.
This would be my message to the terrorists:
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How are we cutting and running? Iraq has stablized and there’s really no need for that many combat troops. Besides the Iraq war was a waste. It gained us nothing and Bush didn’t help the Chaldean and Asyyrian Christians being killed there.. Saudi Arabia and Iran was the problem. Personally I would of attacked Iran, Iraq and teh saudis, but I would do it Mongol style. Go in and destroy their civilizations. No rebuilding let them kill each other. I’m sick of America helping Muslims.
No doubt Al Queda is marking that date on their calendars.
Rodan, you don’t tell an enemy when you are leaving. That’s just crazy.
Instead of engaging, insurgents will simply lay low, blend in with the population, infiltrate government and law enforcement, and on September 1st, 2010, THEY control Iraq, not the Iraqi government.
Obama just pissed on the graves of every person who fought for Iraqi freedom.
I agree the way this war was operated was a waste. Our soldier’s had their hands tied. Every move they had to question whether they might later be charged with a crime. That was bullshit.
We should have separated politics from military. We should have banned the media. We should have bombed the entire country back to the 7th century and let them start over. And we should NOT have rebuilt anything in any region that supported, or continued to support insurgents.
Obama stinks like old sushi
I believe you have dangerously mischaracterized what Obama is able to do, and thus doing.
The policies of the Bush Administration, although a mishandled in the beginning, were retooled and have created gains. Changes in the war plan including “the surge”, turned the tide in Iraq and we have achieved Victory!
Obama is simply stealing the glory of Bush’s policy, and leadership. He is swooping in at the end of the game, and claiming the win.
This is NOT a surrender, and we should not propagate that harmful interpretation.
We fought, we won…..and now we are going home!
We “withdrew” from Germany many years ago yet still have bases there.
And Japan. And Korea.
Will the U.S. establish any long term military bases in Iraq?
Perhaps a joint U.S. & Iraqi facility of some sort such as an air base?
If so, then IMHO this announcement of an Aug-31-2010 withdrawal is just politics.
I’m going with Wrath.
If we call it surrender, that’s on us.
“Winning” doesn’t mean we have to stay forever. And if the place goes to shit after we’re gone, that’s on them.
WrathofG-d – I disagree. Telling the enemy we are going to leave on XXXX date is an invitation to defeat. Maybe not a military defeat, but certainly a political defeat.
If Obama had kept his mouth shut, privately made the deadline, and allowed our troops to continue destroying the insurgency for the next year and a half, it would have been a victory.
Announcing to your enemy that you will leave on a certain date only gives them an advantage – all they have to do is to go underground, blend with the populous. And on September 1st, 2010, re-armed, well rested, and with hordes of new recruits, strike back at the Iraqi government.
From Sun Tzu on the Art of War:
“Ground which can be abandoned but is hard to re-occupy is called entangling. From a position of this sort, if the enemy is unprepared, you may sally forth and defeat him. But if the enemy is prepared for your coming, and you fail to defeat him, then, return being impossible, disaster will ensue.”
Hey, the Apache has a transparent top just like that fish. Also as transparent as what Obama is going to do to all of us, you know, put us on that bike without a seat
Arwyn, “winning” also doesn’t mean announcing your plans to the enemy!
This is a politic victory to the Islamic insurgents. It will be a recruitment tool which will ultimately strengthen the insurgency.
BuddyG – Germany and Japan were completely different enemies compared to religious fanatics. The Germans and the Japanese were not willing to face utter destruction, nor were they brainwashed into believing ‘paradise’ was the only goal.
DJM
The Japanese Kamikazes were incredibly close to the Jihadist today.
The Japanese considered their Emperor to be divine and dying in battle a great honor that had its rewards, although not the same rewards that Islam offers.
I agree that announcing our plans is just stupid.
Rodan — you are one sick f****, dude…one sick motherf****r. But at least you save the rest of us some time by perfectly describing the mentality of the lgf2.com — what else is there to know about this backwater?
You don’t care about Iraqis for one reason; they are mostly muslim. Sacrifice these worthless scum, right? They have no right to self-determination so long as they reject Christianity, right?
You are one ugly piece of self-loathing trash.
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DJM, my point about Germany & Japan was that we still have bases there.
Does anyone know if a similar situation will result in Iraq?
DJM, I don’t like the “announcing a date” part. But I don’t feel it means we’ve surrendered either.
BuddyG
I heard that 50,000 troops will stay in Iraq, no mention of how long they will be there.
So for a while we will have bases in Iraq.
Needleman, Rodan described his mentality. Not everyone at lgf 2.0’s mentality.
But since you see it that way it gives us a glimpse into yours.
See, people differ in their opinions here. IMAGINE THAT!
That you even cavort with a fuckface like rodan is testment your own character. Assuming you disagree with this caveman’s “opinion”, why would you engage him?
(Admin Note by Bar: I approved this comment so everyone can see what type of person this poster really is )
A U.S. air base in Iraq would be worthwhile to help keep Iran in check.
Needleman: Rodan does not speak for everyone here, he is only expressing his own opinion. This is not an echo chamber like Daily Kos or Little Green Footballs.
neidleman_ron
If you ever want to be taken seriously and not written off as an immature little child who really needs to grow up.
Try disagreeing with someone without saying stupid shit like “you’re a dumb m’fer”.
bar, in a moment of frustration while driving I said the F-word once in front of my 3 yr old toddler. Can you guess what happened? My wife is soooooo pissed at me.
Everyother word is now F-this and F-that. Oh ! What have I done ! ! ? ?
BuddyG
That’s funny,
I have done that in front of the kids in my family, it never goes over well.
When I was a kid my dad made the mistake of telling me how he had put dog crap in a brown paper bag set it on the neighbors door step, set the bag on fire ring doorbell and run.
My mom was pissed when I talked my sister into doing that to a neighbor about 6 mouths later, my dad got in more trouble then I did.
Children are notorious mimics…
That’s just ridiculous. It’s a disengagement that’s long overdue.
Think about it. By August 2010 we’d have been there well over seven years, and if we hadn’t fixed what we set out to fix by then,well, I think its safe to say that it can’t be fixed. Of course, we never should have gone in in the first place, but it is what it is.
Needleman,
First, I agree with Arwyn, and Tunnelrat when they say that Rodan is only expressing his own opinion. His statements can only be attributed to him. We don’t delete, ban, or discourage free speech here at the Blogmocracy, even if it is offensive, unpopular, or otherwise counters our own beliefs. I know this concept is unique for many of the blogs you probably frequent, but stick around, I am sure you will get used to it.
Now, a point as to your inability to read before getting emotional. Had Rodan said “all Muslims should die”, I would definitely agree with you that those sentiments are gross and offensive. It should state at this point that like Rodan, I too am an Admin.) However, after actually reading what was written you might notice that Rodan said “This would be my message to the terrorists”.
The important portion of that statement to pay attention to is the term “Terrorists”. He didn’t say “Muslims” or “towel heads” or “Sharia loving Muzzie-funkers”, he said “Insurgency” in the first line and “Terrorists” in the last.
The fact that you see or hear “Muslim” when someone types or says “terrorist” might actually tell us more about your thinking than it does Rodan’s.
However on Rodan’s point, I would imagine that most Americans, and liberty loving human beings would actually agree. I too would like every Terrorist to be defeated. You wouldn’t? A defeat of terrorism, and terrorists would not only benefit the rest of the Iraqi society (the majority of which, although Muslim, are not terrorists) who too are suffering from terrorist violence, but would also benefit the U.S. and world security.
Lastly, it would be greatly preferred (assuming you would actually come back to defend your personal attacks, and illogical statements) if you could proceed on this site in the future without so many curse words. They don’t help your already flawed argument one bit.
ChenZhen, you would prefer if Saddam Hussein was still in power ?
neidleman_ron said:
why would you engage him?
So why did you engage him then, if people like that should not be engaged?
BuddyG said: “bar, in a moment of frustration while driving I said the F-word once in front of my 3 yr old toddler. Can you guess what happened? My wife is soooooo pissed at me.”
LOL, parrots are the same way! I have one that says the GD phrase every time she drops a toy.
neidleman_ron – The other mods might be too polite to tell you this, but I’m not – Go fuck off. If you don’t like LGF2, get out of here.
DJM, why is it kids seem to be magnets for the bad stuff? Sheesh! Teaching the A-B-
C’s wasn’t nearly as easy as profanity.
neidleman_ron said:
On second read, I realize that I was referring to DJM’s statements and you were responding to Rodan’s. I appologize for that mistake. At time of my previous post I had not read Rodan’s post. Since then however, I have.
I confirm my previous statements that the opinions of Rodan are simply Rodan’s, and not of this blog in general. I do however take back some of my harsh criticism of you as I now see that he calls for a complete destruction of their civilization. This I do not support as I understand it.
For the sake of honesty, I am going to leave my mistaken post up. But accept my appology for the statements I made that did not actually respond to your complaints.
Your personal attacks on Rodan however are not necessary, nor are your repeated use of curse words.
Have a wonderful day.
BuddyG – Because of the reaction. Its the same thing with parrots. They do and say things to get a response. Most of the time, intentionally or not, we don’t acknowledge good behavior, but we involuntarily react to bad.
Parrots and young children – the reaction is their reward, whether it is positive or not.
DJM, hmmmmmmmmm, perhaps the same logic applies to neidleman_ron
Wrath said: “We don’t delete, ban, or discourage free speech here at the Blogmocracy, even if it is offensive, unpopular, or otherwise counters our own beliefs.”
I say we draw the line at vulgar, immature insults. Which do you want, total freedom of comments at the expense of the regulars or a friendly atmosphere in which people are comfortable enough to express their opinions without fear of being insulted?
Free speech is not unlimited.
Right, BuddyG, I should add idiots to that as well, but not to insult parrots and children. But as you pointed out, it may be a similar mentality.
BuddyG-
Ya know, I’ve been blogging on this subject for years, so one might imagine that I’ve been asked this question more than once, and my answer has always been the same…
I don’t believe that Saddam should have been removed at all costs.
bye bye, Ron, nice knowing ya.
I blocked him at the IP level.
Bye, bye needle dick.
L0l, I think we should have a celebratory post! Our first ban!
No DJM, Sura109 was the first to go.
But lets celebrate anyways! bwahahha
uh oh…I’d hate to see you guys go to the dark side. Celebrating bannings is very LGFish, after all.
Chen, the scumbag was asking for it.
There has to be a certain level of decorum, that’s all.
neidleman_ron,
Where did I call for Iraqis to become Christians? I am saying that we helped Iraqi Muslims and did nothing to help the Iraqi Christians being killed by Jihadi groups.
I am just sick of America helping Muslism at the expense of Christians, Jews and Others. You are sick since to you Muslims are special than non Muslims. You have exposed your bigotry.
Does 9/11 ring a bell to you?
Wrath of G_D,
By destroying their civilization I mean destroying their infrastructure cities and Armies. As we did to Germany and Japan in WW2. The difference being I would not rebuild the Nations We destroy and let them fight for the scraps. I am not calling for Genocide.
Dont get rid of the troll meat too early especially if they have names like sura 109.
Chen, I think we should have a ban-happy day once a month… What do you think?
Come to the dark side – we have cookies.
savage-
FWIW. I developed an alternative measure, and on my blog I prefer to use the “ban stick” as a last resort. It has proven to be quite effective, actually. Nobody seems to like having a white flag by their posts. Plus, it saves quite a bit of time, as you don’t really have to type some long-winded rebuttal to the provocateur. The Emblem speaks for itself: “You lose” Period. The End.
The ban stick might be effective for those who have just a wee little respect for the blog.
But comes here insulting commenters with no provocation, the end result should be swift and firm.
Besides, a warning wouldn’t have been near as fun!
Just out of curiosity, what did Sura do to get the boot?
Oops…left my flag up there. lol
Chen:
Just out of curiosity, what did Sura do to get the boot?
Basically acting like a typical jihadi. Advocating death to the Jews and all that rot.
ChenZhen, “I don’t believe that Saddam should have been removed at all costs”.
We’ve been there for six years now and have lost about the same number of people that we lost on D-day. So much for “all costs”.
That white flag is a fantastic idea.
We could use something different to a white flag, like the Obama logo! If that doesn’t set them straight…
Chen said: “I don’t believe that Saddam should have been removed at all costs.”
Do me a favor, Chen, read this quote and tell us what it means to you:
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” John Stuart Mill
IMHO a transparent headed fish would work better than a white flag.
LOL Buddy.
I dunno about the transparent-headed fish, but I bet Buddy G could come up with an amusing “white flag.” He has a whole storehouse of funny pictures in his garage!
DJM——Or that fake presidential seal he was using for a while during the campaign!
Here’s something animated
BuddyG – Lol, it just needs an “I’ve been bad.” at the bottom.
Silly Striker
Ashamed
Curious
Buddy G——- LOL
I knew you’d have something! I like either the first one (w/ the white flag) or “Curious.” No, I like “Silly Striker.” See, you came up with too many!
“Silly Striker” with YUCK written at the bottom! That’s my vote!
Or ARGHHHHHHHH!
BuddyG-
I’ve never seen WWII and an unprovoked invasion of Iraq as comparable, but what cost would you determine to be too high? Just how many American lives was Saddam worth? How many hundreds of billions of dollars?
If you think it was worth it, fine. Most people don’t.
Oh, I don’t think gravatar supports animated gifs.
Why not just use a picture of a troll doll? That would be more obvious, would it not?
ChenZen: I believe that the point of the Iraq war was to plant the seeds of democracy in the middle East. Perhaps a country other than Iraq would have been a better choice, but we will never know that. If it turns out that Iraq becomes a prosperous democracy and the other arab states are forced to follow suit, then the Iraq war will have been a resounding success and history will judge GWB very favorably.
Chen, we haven’t suffered nearly the casulties we suffered during WWII
which puts your whole “at all costs” contention in perspective.
In any case, Saddam’s brutal dictatorship is gone and replaced by an elected constitutional government. We now have an ally instead of an enemy.
And al Qaeda has suffered a significant battlefield defeat. Good news.
Troll Doll
Locarno—
Buddy G—–
THAT’S IT !!!! IT’S ABSOLUTELY PERFECT !
neidleman_ron’s comments have been reinstated and his posting privilege restored.
If he wants to come back and debate like an adult, we’re all for it.