Another hit piece on Robert Spencer from the Albanian harpy.
I’ll never understand why Medaura has such as hard-on against Robert Spencer. RS has done more to expose people to the horrors of Islam than this kosovar lover has ever done, except she seems to like to hide in her New York City digs and spin one yarn after another.
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This sounds like a job for
Chuck Johnson
Some one with an LGF sock needs to get over and drop the above link into that thread and get a screen capture of it and the responses.
Come on how much is your sock really worth to you?
Editors can you sort out the spelling of Johnson I just woke up and my typing is even worse with out caffeine injections.
Dam your lack of preview/edit key, dam it to hell;)
Medaura probably has a secret crush on Spencer, and this is her way of flirting with the man
Rainyday, no she is a Balkan Muslim simple as that, I have a lot of experience with them, we were inundated where I grew up due to the Balkan wars.
Simple fact is, they are not to be trusted, she is an Islamic shill and is by the looks of things a pretty effective one the way she has Chuck dancing to her tune.
But I really think she has stepped over the line by trying to convict Robert in the court of public opinion through tenuous associations.
The Johnson’s she Chucks are calumny’s of the most egregious kind.
Chuck you, Kejda & LGF.
km, just fixed the misspelling.
Savage I guess you can delete the post where I asked and this one too.
Thx
Tis ok, km.
BTW, there is going to be a new look to the place in a couple days, it will have a preview button and all that good stuff, and easier on the eyes too.
I’d add a coffee maker if I could LOL
Lawyer’s lawyer, radical’s radical.
I believe, in about ten or twenty years, this woman will be found partially clothed, ranting incoherently, and living in a filthy house with two hundred cats.
km–”caffeine injections”, I love that one. Feel that way every morning. I’m about to go for my 2nd cup now. Glad to know someone else feels that way;)
Medaura/ Kejda naturally is going to go after Spencer. He links to a comment about her being “a liar” (note that word being used about anyone he’s in a disagreement about), continues to call her this and has been threatening to sue her. I’d write exposes about someone doing that to me. Besides, there are many sites devoted to knocking Charles around (I’m at one right now, TA DA!!), but few devoted to Spencer anymore. He’s threating on various sites and his own to sue not just this woman but others.
That said, I’ve yet to really follow Kejda’s blog and go through it or to follow closely her comments at LGF. I most certainly am going to read this article again as well as some others she has, but I think she has dug up some interesting info about Spencer. He’s a public figure and that makes him a bit different than people here or myself in terms of writing about.
OK, my playing ‘devil’s advocate” is done, please don’t threaten to “ban” me again. I just answered the question posed;)
I’m sorry I threaten to ban you, Lex. I wasn’t serious, just in a bad mood. You can say whatever you want.
BTW, to everyone, the other Admin and I are working out rules for the blog as far as banning. No details, but it would take more than one to decide. It will be pretty hard to get banned here (although, not impossible).
Lex,
Robert Spencer would have been more accurate had he just called medura a libelous smear merchant instead of just liar. I have paid attention to what Medura has said these last months and I find it less than convincing. Everything revolves around the fact that Spencer is an acquaintance of S.Trifkovic a Serbian (God forbid).
She continually uses gult by very tenuous association to smear characters that are anti-jihad or criticize Albanian muslims. I have no time for her, and to tell you the truth I have found your crusade against Spencer to be somewhat mendacious as well. Although your website is quite funny at times, (I believe I even had a staring role in one post), the claims you make about Spencer seem purile and unfounded. You continually castigate him because his website makes Muslims feel uncomfortable (boo hoo). Please explain what exactly is wrong with that, when Muslims go out of their way to make us feel uncomfortable, on so many levels.
And I am sorry your weak argument about Muslims are nice people too just isnt going to wash with me. I have intimate knowlege of Islam and Muslims through marriage and growing up in an islamically-enriched city. I have known Muslims personally that killed kuffa on my home town streets because it was the Islamic thing to do, and I have watched Muslims take over the city from businesses to politics. I have found Spencers interpretation of Islamic doctrine and Muslims be nothing but 100% accurate I am afraid.
Savage said: I’ll never understand why Medaura has such as hard-on against Robert Spencer. RS has done more to expose people to the horrors of Islam…
You answered your own question. If he wasn’t effective she would be on someone else.
km, I was banging my mouse in agreement ^.
that poor mouse
Poor mouse?
lol.
It survived!
I don’t have a gavel handy or I’da banged that! Robert rocks! Case closed.
KM, computer clapping.
or something.
Mouse? Lizard? Whatever. It all evolved from the Chimp
Computer clapping it is then.
Medauar I belive is an Albanian AL-Qaeda disinformation agent.
Buddy G,
The ant riddled lizard got an airing on JW today in the latest thread about Iran. Sorry I didnt credit discovery or anything but it was put to good use.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025013.php#respond
a link from that JihadWatch thred.
<A href=”http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/feb/25/lord-ahmed-dangerous-driving”title=”Lord Ahmed jailed for sending texts while driving before fatal crash”
“The prominent Labour peer Lord Ahmed of Rotherham was jailed for 12 weeks today after admitting sending texts while driving, shortly before his Jaguar ploughed into a stationary car on the M1, killing its driver. . . . Ahmed, 51, will serve half the sentence behind bars and the rest on licence, and his position will not be affected in the House of Lords, which has seen much greater terms imposed on members such as the novelist Lord Archer.”
12 weeks for manslaughter? Only six weeks behind bars? Christ almighty!
Shit, screwed that up.
Lord Ahmed jailed for sending texts while driving before fatal crash
Oh, well.
I agree with Rodan. I think medaura is an albanian disinformation agent. Spencer does a good job revealing the horrors of Islam? That’s precisely what medaura, and her handlers, don’t like about him. That’s the reason she’s waging this campaign against him, and doing her damndest to drag Charles into it. She actually seems to want to push this war into an actual court of law. If she does, I’m afraid Charles, and the lizards, are going to find themselves in a great deal of trouble.
At any rate, she’s managed to ruin LGF, a once great blog, and go after Spencer, trying to defame him. That’s a twofer for her. And, reading her comments, it’s pretty obvious she’s got a lot of targets: Christians, social conservatives, the United States (which she openly despises), and I suspect Spencer is just the beginning of the jihad she plans to wage against any, and all, anti-jihad sites, and speakers.
Somebody really should be investigating her.
KM, hope those poor ants don’t get sick!
Buddy G,
It’s only lizard meat, I bet the ants chewed it up and shat it out and didnt even wiggle an antenna.
Here is the basic issue, Lex. You don’t think Islam is inherently destructive to the West. Spencer evidently does, and I certainly do. I have invited you several times to make an argument to sustain your position. Yet all you offer is something like “I often agree with you …,” which is completely irrelevant, or “I argue on my blog; here I’m just having fun…,” which is also irrelevant. You say that blogging is just a hobby. Well, I guess it’s not a job for most of us, but if the CONTENT one is sharing is unserious, then one should expect not to be taken seriously.
One can’t directly refute a worldview such as yours regarding Islam (so far as I can figure it out). I mean, even the earth revolving around the sun and not vice-versa can be disputed with sufficient auxilliary theories (Lakatos). But at a certain point, some worldviews become unconvincing to most because they continually lead us to expect something other than what we actually observe.
I understand that you met a nice, moderate Muslim (Sphinx), who, I am told, is a fan of Hezbollah (thus deserving of your admiration). Decent individuals are irrelevant, as social forces do not work the same way through every individual. As Mao would have said, even Muslims who do not kill the kafir provide the sea in which the other Muslims (fish) swim. I have brought this point up before, but, as usual, you address nothing seriously.
There is, of course, a test that would be powerful evidence that your apparent worldview has merit. We would suddenly find vast numbers of “moderate Muslims” refusing foot baths in public institutions, defending Mo cartoonists, protesting against imams who urge killing the kafir, etc., etc. THIS kind of Muslim would be no sea for killer Muslims to swim in. And yet, there is zero historical evidence for such a swelling of the vast, moderate Muslim majority.
Cheers KM
I hope someone with some in depth knowledge of the Balkan conflicts can “fisk” Medaura’s article slamming Srdja Trifkovic and Robert Spencer. There are a lot of links and accusations in that article but I am very suspicious of it.
Listen to what Medaura has to say on the subject and keep in mind my posts yesterday regarding the difference in views between liberal American Jews and Israelis on the Balkan conflicts:
You need to read between the lines on this. What Medaura is decrying is the fact that Israelis have not been taken in by the Serbs=Nazis meme promulgated by Albanian, Bosnian and Croatian propagandists in the US, who themselves tailored presentation of the Balkan conflict to American Jews through PR firms like Ruder Finn with the aim of getting American Jews to accept the Serb=Nazi message.
I find it rather damning of Medaura’s position that Srdja Trifkovic was among a number of Serbian scholars invited to speak at Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial.
For some reason my link in the last post is not working. Here’s the URL:
http://www1.yadvashem.org/about_yad/magazine/magazine_42/data_42/News_Research_Institute.html
KM
You hit the nail on the head. Medaura is more then likely a Muslim. I hope everbody here realises that the majority or at least a good portion of Albanians are Muslims.
You want to know the truth about these people? Go talk to Serbians and Macedonians. The Serbians/Macedonians intenseley hate the Albanians, and for good reason too.
SK
Excellent post! You will never see Muslims protesting against Osama or Islamic fanatics, never. Why? The answer is simple…it’s because they approve it.
Osprey, if this keeps up on LGF, this might become a way in which Jews start being attacked: let one too many Jewish and/or Israeli speakers express too much sympathy for the Serbs, or too little for the Albanians, and it will be, “Israel, and the Jews, support the Serbs! They support Jatras! They’ve gone—FACIST!”
If medaura really is a student, by the way, she certainly seems to have an awful lot of time on her hands. She blogs constantly, and always seems to have plenty of time to go after Spencer.
Jamuka, they either agree, or they’re too intimidated, to protest. In either event, they’re not going to be much help to us kafirs, and that’s too bad, but we do need to understand that Islam’s problems are institutional, part of Islam itself, not a question of naughty/nice people.
And, of course, once it is decided that the Israelis/Jews are being swayed by Serb propaganda, Charles will declare that Israel is no longer part of the anti-jihad movement. Everybody will come out from under their respective rocks, claiming that Israel is facist, too religious, has too many settlements and all the rest of it. Some of the Jewish posters will object, but they’ll be shouted down, and then banned.
My understanding is that many Albanians are Moslem, and that there are very few Jews left there. medaura claims she’s at least part Jewish, but I think this claim should be taken with a grain of salt.
Yaza wrote
Jamuka, they either agree, or they’re too intimidated, to protest.
Nonsense. Go live in a Muslim country for a while and you’ll know what I mean.
Yaza wrote
medaura claims she’s at least part Jewish, but I think this claim should be taken with a grain of salt.
She is no more Jewish then I am Japanese. If it walks like a duck, talk like a duck….Ask her some tough questions on Islam, see her replies and you will know.
Here’s a piece about radical Moslems taking over in Sarjevo: once again, the nice Moslems don’t seem to be doing much about this: http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,609660,00.html
LOL, jamuka, I bow to your superior experience!
Yes, I know some Jewish posters actually got the nerve to question medaura about her “jewishness” on LGF, and got some pretty lame answers in return. I think she still claims to be kinda, sorta, you know, Jewish on her mother’s, best friend’s, second cousins’s side, not that she’s actually religious, or anything like that, ya know. . .
Quack, quack, quack!
Speaking of Srdja Trifkovic, he wrote a very good book about Islam’s history, The Sword of the Prophet. In it, he talks a lot about the usually ignored Islamic persecution of Orthodox Christians. I suspect this may be the real reason medaura hates him.
If you don’t already have a copy, it is available from amazon.com.
Yaza, if the Harpy hates him… I’m in.
*heads to Amazon*
Here’s an interesting article about Kosovo by an actual Jewish lady! http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0499/serb.jews1.asp
And an interesting article about the Serbs rescuing American airmen: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838425/posts
SK, you don’t have to take my word for it.
Here are Sphinx’s words themselves:
But I’m one of the good ones!
And then on down the page:
Nice and… “moderate”?
It cracks me up when she claims we throw Sphinx’s words out as taqiyya. That sure doesn’t sound like taqiyya to me.
Sphinx’s words are “Too good to be true”, Lex?
I think not. That sounds par for islamonut to me.
Arwyn, yah, yah, yah, I don’t hate Israelis or Jews, I just hate their nasty state, which, by the way, is a place where a lot of them live, and where a lot of them would die, if Hezbollah had its way, but, honest, I don’t hate them, I just hate their state. The settlers are evil, Israel lives on American tax dollars which would be better spent on supporting the Palestinians instead, and let’s not mention all the money American taxpayers spend on Islamic countries.
And so on. I do hope you like Sword of Islam, I found it fascinating!
I wonder if Lex is going to respond, everyone has raised some interesting points, I would be interested in what she has to say.
I really cant understand why she seems so taken with Sphinx?
He just seems like your run of the mill islamoapolagist to me.
Of course it’s important to not forget both he and his buddies are nice guys.
km, the nerve of him saying Israel would have a place in the Arab world if it *(ISRAEL)* learned to behave.
Nice!
Yaza, it’s ordered. And I had to finally get Stealth Jihad (been meaning to)… in honor of Medaura and Lex.
Arywn,
Yes how dare they not submit to Islam, the nerve of it, the filthy son’s of pigs and monkeys.
In Britain they call the radical Muslims the “youth”. Those crazy kids.
Yes, they’re all nice, NICE people! And Hezbollah’s nice too! Really, everybody in the Middle-East is very nice, except those awful Jewish settlers. . .
Arwyn, I’ve gotta get Stealth Jihad too! That’s one I haven’t read yet. Just for medaura and Lex.
km said…
Yes how dare they not submit to Islam, the nerve of it, the filthy son’s of pigs and monkeys.
Speaking for myself, I’m a Person of the Book Infidel Unbeliever. We know to whom the ’sons of pigs and monkeys’ refers. Of course, now Zoroastrians don’t even get an honorable mention.
/Hierarchy of Muslim Hate
If you want some informative articles on Kosovo/Serbia, these are must reads:
http://www.serbianna.com/news/2008/01360.shtml
http://www.historyofjihad.org/serbia.html
http://salibiyyah.blogspot.com/2007/10/future-of-jihad.html
and, if you just like to see mujis blasted to hell and back, you’ll LOVE this:
http://salibiyyah.blogspot.com/search/label/apache
Charles is now pushing medaura’s article on LGF, under “Connecting the Dots”.
Current meme: Whatever good work Spencer has done in the past is totally nullified by his horrible associations. He’s just a bad old anti-Islamist! Hooray for medaura, for telling us how evil he really is!
It’s just a matter of time before they decide Israel, and, by extension, all Jews, are facists if they don’t support Albania.
I
Spencer published the Spiegel article I link to earlier, about Albania, which might be why LGF going on the war path against him today.
This has been coming for some time. Medaura has been hinting for months that she was cooking up some sort of stew against Spencer and that Trifkovic was part of it.
I’m interested to see what Robert’s response will be. He can’t ignore this.
Zombie and Ploome Hineni appear unimpressed by medaura’s deep thoughts, but I suspect they’ll be banned before the day’s out.
I’m really surprised that Ploome is still there. She doesn’t sit on her hands like a lot of them.
Oh boy! Charles is going to “connect dots!” I know how that works!
dot dot dot……..James Dobson is in league with the jihadis!
dot dot dot……..Bobby Jindal is a white-supremacist crypto-Klansman!
dot dot dot……..Appalachian clogging is manifestation of Belgian fascism!
(Sadly, those examples aren’t far off the mark. Not at all.)
I think Zombie likes Medaura. Ploome, on the other hand, despises her.
Yep. Ploome was the one who came up with the brilliant nickname “Medusa.”
Anastasia, you’re right. They’re pretty close to original quotes from the Chuckmeister, lol.
I have the Sword of the Prophet and agree: good book.
I also bought Stealth Jihad, but then I somehow lost it, and I’m pissed and won’t yet buy another copy.
Well, I can connect dots, too, Chucky boy.
MEDAURA IS A CRYPTO-CREATIONIST SHILL FOR THE DISCOVERY INSTITUTE!
Yep. All you have to do is connect the dots. I can do it.
It was stated yesterday, but what Mr. Johnson has done is use his own posters as evidence of LGF not being alone as “anti-evolution”, and “anti-anti-Jihadi movement”. When you go down the list of Blogs that 1.0 uses to back his arguments, you quickly realize that they are all just minor blogs from those who post on LGF.
LGF quotes LGF to show that LGF is not alone in its so-called conservative beliefs.
PATHETIC!
The Osprey,
What Medauar doesn’t mention is that the Serbs fought the Nazis. The Albanians and Bosnians helped the Nazis. She leaves that out.
I believe it was on the Glenn Beck thread that someone with the nic of Northern Bandit, who was posting from Germany, complained that the site was too slow. In the old days, this would have been followed by a flurry of lizards suggesting what he might do to fix the problem. Nowadays LGF is not so friendly. Northern Bandit was AXED.
Dipping into his storehouse of Ancient Posts for Ex-Post-Facto Justification, all CJ could come up with was a completely innocuous post recommending an article by David Berlinski. Aha! Berlinski, an agnostic sceptic (and NOT a creationist,BTW) is a fellow of the Discovery Institute. The horror! The verdict was handed down:
“Northern Bandit is a creationist and a shill for the Discovery Institute.”
Anyone who recommends an article by Berlinski is a “creationist and shill for the DI.”
Commentary magazine has published several articles by Berlinski, thereby showing their approval of his work.
Commentary is therefore a creationist rag and a shill for the DI.
Medaura does a little work on the blog Contentions.
Contentions is the blog of Commentary on line.
Therefore, MEDAURA IS A CREATIONIST SHILL FOR THE DISCOVERY INSTITUTE!
Proooooooooooof!
Connecting dots is FUN !
Wrath——–That is just amazing.
I’m like you in that I want to give folks the benefit of the doubt, but I really do believe CJ has lost all credibility.
Anastasia,
Maybe that is why 1.0 tries so hard to control opposing thought, “the message”, and doesn’t advocate the minions getting a 2nd opinion.
Rodan—- Like I say, connecting dots is FUN! Given a little time anyone can “connect dots” and PROOOOOOVE Medusa is a Nazi. (Hey, I just PROOOOOOOVED she’s a creationist shill! The Nazi thing should be easy!)
Bayonet——-Yes, the sound-bite “journalism,” connect-the-dots mania, exaggerated claims and hysteria, citing your own minions’ blogs as corroboration, etc. This kind of thing has gone hand-in-hand with a silencing of dissent. I agree it’s not a coincidence.
Why Stop At Medura?
Here is the list of those “random” “conservative” blogs that agree with 1.0 as “anti Creationism”
Play that “what LGF poster does this blog belong to” game. Have fun!
__________________________________________________________
Some Anti-Creationism Bloggers
Blogosphere | Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:35:50 pm PST
Earlier I mentioned in passing that I’d link to any bloggers who aren’t down with the “intelligent design” creationist movement — conservative/liberal/other. Here are some of the bloggers who’ve responded so far, and it’s not the usual geeks from ScienceBlogs:
Defining “Creationism” Down
Noblesse Oblige » Which Controversy? Discovery Institute vs Science
Daimnation!: Darwin’s next fight
The Atheist Conservative : If I saw an angel or if man was made of brass
Chicago Boyz » Blog Archive » Happy 200th Birthday, Charles Darwin
Well That’s Just Dandy….: I Don’t Know Why This Is So Hard To Understand….
Kerplunk – Common sense from Down Under: The Discovery Institute’s willful destruction of Christian values
sisu: ‘Why can’t we get over our post-Marxist nostalgia?’
An old friend and philosophy geek: Blog Here Now
skepticlawyer » My Enemy’s Honour
Copious Dissent – Understanding Evolution Matters
Public Secrets: One more thing…
zombietime
Ringo’s Pictures
Because No One Asked
Rite Wing TechnoPagan: creationism
Darwin Central
_____________________________________________
Of course, if you wish to get the direct links, and see the entire conversation in context, you can do so by going over to 1.0.
Absolutely amazing.
Zombie might very well like medaura. She’s anti-Christian, and I know Zombie’s one of the ones who wants to purge social conservatives from LGF, the Republican party and even planet Earth, for all I know.
Ploome is gutsy. I’m surprised she’s still there too!
Here’s another article about the Serbs in WWII: http://serbblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/b92-israel-honors-serbs-for-ww2-bravery.html
Anastasia
Its funny how it works over there with those people.
CJ will ask has any pro-ID articles been published in a peer reviewed journal or something like that.
Then when provided with an example, the journal or whatever published it will immediately declared a shill for ID and written off as propaganda or course it’s a one-way street any pro-evolution articles are immediately declared infallible.
This is how LGF works no matter what the subject matter is, its always the same pattern.
And here’s what those wonderful Albanians were up to in WWII. Of course medaura’s not going to mention this: http://www.kosovo.net/skenderbeyss.html
Folks, I think we’ll wait a LONG time for Lex to be articulate and forthright about her “views.”
sk, she is close to getting the boot.
And here’s some stuff those swell Albanians, the heroic KLA, are doing today! http://www.kosovo.net/kla2.html
savage, just to be clear, I’m not advocating for that.
Yaza,
These links you send are good. You should encourage Savage to add some back ground to this post, so we know where Medura, and Savage are coming from.
sk, that’s fine, but the disjointed thinking on her part is unsettling to me.
She’s a little bit like taxfreekiller. heheh
Glad you like the links, Bayonet, and I’ll certainly applaud Savage if he feels like adding some background of his own to this.
I’m surprised TFK hasn’t gotten the boot yet. Chuckles and Killgore came down on him for posting all those links to anti-illegal immigrant groups FAIR and NumbersUSA, alleging they were connected to “White Nationalists”.
I predict TFK will be the first member of the Apache nation to be smeared as a “White Nationalist” and “Chucked”.
I don’t think he goes along with the Creationism crusade either, he always posts messages on those threads that are in the vein of “while you guys are arguing about this the leftists in Congress are reaching for your wallet”.
Maybe a little of my lizard stew recipe will encourage Savage! http://flyingpurplemoose.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!83A74BB35B7AEA17!1863.entry
Savage—– Just my 2 cents!
Lex is a contrarian, but not a worthless trouble-maker. There was a spell when ALL she was doing was being preachy and acting superior, but she’s been much more cordial lately. I like her, even if I don’t like some of her views. At least she has a sense of humor and is cheerful.
I don’t think having her here hurts the site AT ALL & I think in her case the door should be open for exchange.
savage—-NO ONE is like tfk!
Osprey——tfk seems crazy, but he’s not. He’s a poet. He may shut up about some things, but he’ll never march to anyone else’s drum.
I think there are a handful of posters that Charles would not DARE to ban, and tfk is one of them.
If push comes to shove, tfk will just leave. Like that.
Anastasia;
NO ONE is like tfk!
I concede the point to you. hehe
My heavens, how many times do I have to say that I abhor certain practices that are exclusive to Muslims on this site to have these statements thrown out in threads like these? I do defend Sphinx, and his view of the issues is largely because he is an Egyptian and wasn’t raised with the same coverage of issues or around as many Israelis or Jews as I have been (and as most of us have, being Americans, those of us who are). I stand up for Sphinx just as I once stood up for Pamela Geller, because we’re friends who speak at length on Skype and in mails and we rarely speak about these issues. If Sphinx starts writing posts daily that are completely at odds with the opinions he shares with me in conversation then I will reconsider our friendship just as I did with Pamela “Cheetah Girl” Geller (see my photoshop…LOL).
As for Spencer, I find him to be rather hypocritical and also blinded by rage over his grandparents’ experience in Turkey. He has also called me a “smear artist” and a “liar” once I refused to agree with him or politely agree to disagree. Sphinx and I have agreed to disagree regarding Muhammad being a prophet and my belief that Jesus is the Christ. For some time Spencer and I decided to agree to disagree as well, until I left his email address here for that Dutchman (his email is public anyway). I can’t feel though that he’s anything of a charlatan making a career out of constantly belittling ALL Muslims. There’s is NEVER any lack of commentary in his posts, they are actually rather a lot like mine. Quote an article and add commentary. His is just as snarky as ours, just about Islam. Were he merely offering news as well as citing what he knows of Muslim Scripture in terms of that news I could take him seriously. But he instead has to be smarmy and sneaky about it.
He also just WILL not let the mutual family thing go! He does so in one of the links in Kejda’s article (the link for “his family background”) as well as in joining the Facebook group (I honestly believe that he didn’t take the time to look through that group as he says, but that he’d join in based on just the title speaks VOLUMES). Check out this Spencer quote sent directly to ME: “You shame and dishonor your Ionian ancestors, who were victims of jihad.”
So, I should like someone who says that to me? They weren’t victims of jihad and he actually knows this, as we have discussed both of our famiy backgrounds to the point of sending each other pictures of our respective families. I even kept JW out of my mockery blog for some time just so that we could stay on good terms. I added only his post of the history of the “Blog War”. He then broke off the positive relationship so I commenced the full on coverage of JW. I have too many examples and links here
to take up more room in the comments here re-posting them.
As for my blog, it’s mockery and the posts are written with or sometimes solely by Sphinx, so sometimes they present a different opinion. Other posts are and other things I do online and off are by Efe (Conmech in the Spencer article comments), a Turk I know. Oooh, I’m really “dishonoring” my ancestors by being friends with a Turk an working for peace between Greeks and Turks rather than trying to prolong a pointless hatred–or SELLING a bumper sticker as Spencer does. Sell, sell sell, that’s all the guy does. All for money, yet you trust him?
As for “Stealth Jihad”, I was going to write a review to be obnoxious, but so much of it deals with CAIR and the ISNA, and I rather agree with Spencer’s points re: those groups. I used to live by the ISNA and their publications were geared towards takeover of this country. I attacked CAIR so much that I once even earned a press release by them about “hate bloggers”…ROFL….I’ll find the link later, but it’s at my other blog. I think CAIR are a bunch of charlatans as well and their claims are usually groundless as well, but I don’t probably need to fill in the CAIR blanks here, you guys know what I mean.
I’ve also linked this here before, but will again. I made this back in my anti-jihadi days but left it up since I can’t really bring myself to disagree with it. It deals with the “Cartoonifada” and the riots and few murders (it’s dedicated to a nun murdered in the fall-out of that whole affair) spawned by the protests. I see no reason, as I say in the video, to put up with the violent “Jihadi” percentage of Muslims and think they should be countered with all we have, I just see no reason nowadays to cross the line into insulting (or as I once did) discrediting a whole religion just because of jihadis. What I did was wrong, though I’m not saying that you here are doing what I did. I was particularly rabid and am ashamed of that. However, I like hanging out here because I did once feel as you guys did and can understand the mindset.Oh dammit, the took my Devo out of the video, those YT buggers….
OK, I must (as it is a shot in the “Soap Opera”) go write up my own post on this LGF post as is my solemn mock blog duty.
Good news, 2.0 is filled with conspiracy nuts.
And here this whole time I thought we were a stalker blog?
153 Jimmah 2/25/09 12:27:23 pm
re: #124 ploome hineni
Ok, you can now be dismissed a conspiracy nut of the sort you normally have to go to LGF2 to see. And btw, it’s not lost on me that some of your deleted comments here on LGF are of a kindred spirit to comments by one of the Serbian individuals – Biljana Plavsic – featured in Kejda’s piece:
Bar——ROFLMAO ! If there ever was a site that has become a swamp of conspiracy nuttery is it LGF itself, and NOT the Blogmocracy. One of the essential components in building up conspiracy theories is to not allow any other view to intrude and disturb your peculiar focus. This is EXACTLY what has been happening at LGF.
Watch out, Ploomie. Jimmah is one of CJ’s boot-licking thugs.
Oh, great, now someone left a comment at my place saying I support Hezbollah! Dammit! I wrote another saying that I think they’re terrorists, but dag-nabbit!
Anonymous at my site–if you got that idea from this thread, I did deny that here as well! I do NOT, repeat, DO NOT support Hezbollah, HAMAS, al Qaeda nor even CAIR or the ISNA here in the U.S. (and Canada). Heavens. I’m against bigotry, whether aimed at Muslims or aimed at me BY certain Muslim groups. I’m not stupid. Sheesh.
In other news, I just CAN’T stop linking and posting my Cheetah Shrugs photoshop….ROFLMAO!!
But Lex your new spiritual advisor does support them, so what are we supposed to think?
lex, for fucks sakes, delete the offending post.
I’m sure someone over at LGF is behind it.
Lex, I think I get it.
“My heavens, how many times do I have to say that I abhor certain practices that are exclusive to Muslims on this site to have these statements thrown out in threads like these?”
“And how many times to I have to say that we accept Israel’s right to exist?” -Arafat
“I do defend Sphinx, and his view of the issues is largely because he is an Egyptian and wasn’t raised with the same coverage of issues or around as many Israelis or Jews as I have been (and as most of us have, being Americans, those of us who are).”
Huh? How is Sphinx’s nationality relevant? Do you know anything about fallacious types of arguments, Lex? Anyway, Egyptians are great readers of the Protocols as well, I hear. Maybe you can ask Sphinx about it next time he writes your blog entries for you.
“I stand up for Sphinx just as I once stood up for Pamela Geller, because we’re friends who speak at length on Skype and in mails and we rarely speak about these issues.”
Um, Lex? I think what you’re saying is that you are not assessing arguments dispassionately but just sticking up for people who are your friends? Whyt then should should anyone care about what you write? (I’d start to reassess friendship with people that I know prefer Hezbollah to Israel.)
“As for Spencer, I find him to be rather hypocritical and also blinded by rage over his grandparents’ experience in Turkey.
Absolutely ad hominem and therefore irrelevant.
“As for my blog, it’s mockery and the posts are written with or sometimes solely by Sphinx, so sometimes they present a different opinion.”
Ah, I see. Sphinx sometimes writes under your name. Good to know. I can tell you’re not a Muslim, because if you were you would never admit such a damning thing. So, you have a Muslim (Sphinx) writing under the cover of a (nominal) Christian (you). Some might think this is a classic case of Muslim deception where you are being used to advance jihad.
“As for “Stealth Jihad”, I was going to write a review to be obnoxious, but so much of it deals with CAIR and the ISNA, and I rather agree with Spencer’s points re: those groups …”
So, you “rather agree” with the contents of Stealth Jihad, but because you feel Spencer has been mean to you, and because his ancestors were Turkish dhimmis, and therefore you think he might have a tiny (evidence-based) grudge, you prefer to badmouth him?
“I made this back in my anti-jihadi days…”
So now you are not anti-jihadi. Are you just neutral to jihadis, or do you rather like them now?
“I see no reason, as I say in the video, to put up with the violent “Jihadi” percentage of Muslims and think they should be countered with all we have…”
Ah yes! The old, “they’re not all violent jihadis” argument. Irrelevant, of course. Not all mice die in tests of a compound. But when they die at an increased rate, that is considered a “failure.” Anyway, as I pointed out, these particular mice who don’t die make sure to hide those who did, until the whole place stinks of rot. Also, notice the irrelevant blather catchphrase (in bold).
“I just see no reason nowadays to cross the line into insulting (or as I once did) discrediting a whole religion just because of jihadis.”
See my “mice” analogy above. Anyway, you are again being incoherent. Once can indeed discredit a whole religion if one has in front of him the canonical texts and interpretations of the religion, which we do have. What we cannot do, necessarily, is think that every single person who is a Muslim is a villain. However, we might say that such a person is more likely a villain than a non-Muslim would be.
“What I did was wrong, though I’m not saying that you here are doing what I did. [I certainly am--as are many others here.] I was particularly rabid and am ashamed of that.
This is the ultimate moral and intellectual failure.
“However, I like hanging out here because I did once feel as you guys did and can understand the mindset.”
So, you enjoy seeing here what you have just said was immoral behavior that you were ashamed of. But, that’s ok, because you enjoy it second hand, and you get to immediately disavow the immoral behavior as well by sniping against it. Then you say that you’re just joking around here. Now THAT is certainly moral and courageous behavior.
Lex, I want to grant you one thing: you have indeed explained yourself admirably, finally. The only thing is, you don’t come across as a very admirable person.
To be perfectly honest with you, I kind of find your reasoning a little schizophrenic at the moment. You seem like a nice girl (very witty), but I am failing to reconcile how someone as perceptive as your self seems to have these contradictions. Is it really because you have a guilty conscience due to some things you said about Muslims.
In addition your invective against Spencer seems somewhat unbalanced as well. You keep saying that he called you a liar because you failed to reach a cordial agreement about the fate of his grandparent under the Ottoman’s, that he is upset that you left his email address on this forum and some other issues regarding how he percieves you honor your grand parents. They seem like trivial issues IMHO for you to get so worked up about and I have a hard time imagining Spencer getting so worked up about it as well. I have had many correspondence with Spencer over the years and have caused probably some of the longest, most heated and acrimonious threads on his forum with reference to British nationalism, but I have found him to be always cordial, a scholar and a gentleman.
It really seems that you are quite an emotional person (not in a bad way) and you maybe just got some wires crossed and maybe in the heat of the moment have misinterpreted peoples intentions. But from someone who a lot of the time enjoys reading your posts, it would be nice to see a little less schizoid behavior and a bit more critical thought especially regarding what your Muslim friends are saying.
And although I have the upmost respect for Atlas, your photoshop doll is amusing.
Of course my post was to Lex.
Where is the edit button?
And SK thats a great post to Lex.
KM,
You will get all new toys when we switch to the new theme. This should be occurring very soon.
re: #124 ploome hineni
Ok, you can now be dismissed a conspiracy nut of the sort you normally have to go to LGF2 to see.
Bwahahahahaha! LGF 2.0 are the conspiracy nuts?!?!?
The way CJ has been “connecting the dots” over the past few months with the Discovery Institute, he puts any “conspiracy nuts” over here to shame.
Pardon me whilst I laugh.
Escovado,
The irony of that statement is that Ploome probably hasn’t ever come over to 2.0 to verify that statement. (nor have most, if not a majority of that statement’s audience). Shamefully, they will all just lap it up, and take someone else’s word for it.
I welcome all of LGF’s readers to come over here and confirm or deny all of the statements made by 1.0. This invitation includes Mr. Johnson himself.
km, just remember, some of them of are nice. Even when they support Hezbollah, they’re nice. How can you possibly be against niceness? Niceness is nice. If you criticize an entire religion, you’re not being nice. And so forth. (Yes, that’s sarcasm!)
Ploomie is a good gal. We’ve clashed from time to time back when I was over at LGF, but she has a good heart.
She ought to come over here and say hi.
Yaza,
Of course I forgot that some of them were nice, how foolish of me, I shall let the Muslims walk all over me with out delay.
I chatted with Ploome a few times in the Lizard Lounge a long time ago. She seemed OK to me too. Now, she’s a “conspiracy nut”…Oh, the humanity!
I guess you guys and I talked to two different Ploomes
Ha, a few comments from Medaura’s site
#1 Justin Raimondo says:
February 23rd, 2009 at 11:11 am
If I were you, I would keep my day job flipping hambugers at McDonalds. To characterize Antiwar.com as an “anti-Semitic conspiracy site” is ridiculous. Naturally, you give no basis or reference for your evaluation, not even via links. But then again, anyone who cites the discredited nutball Stephen Schwartz as some kind of authority obviously has problems with facts.
#3 Sarah says:
February 25th, 2009 at 1:23 am
Condemning a person based on somebody they’re friends with is a piss-poor argument if I’ve ever seen one. You never disagree with any of your friends about anything? You think Spencer sees eye to eye with all his friends on every issue? You’ve been drinking Charles Johnson’s Kool-Aid on this one. When your best links to “evidence” against Robert Spencer are LGF and Wikipedia, it’s hard to take this garbage seriously at all. The continuing attempt at character assassination against Robert Spencer by Charles Johnson and his puppets like you is downright disgusting and childish. There’s more evidence to the absurd Obama birth certificate conspiracy theory crap than there is to support the idea that Spencer is some kind of genocide-supporting fascist.
#7 MMandM says:
February 25th, 2009 at 6:37 am
No one cares what you write so stop wasting your time.Idiot
#9 SB says:
February 25th, 2009 at 6:52 am
This is just guilt-by-association claptrap.
If Spencer is such a bad guy why not demonstrate this with quotes from his writings. He has a body of published work. If you hate him so much, but can’t base your criticism on his books then they must be all right.
It seems from your impassioned but insubstantial attack on Spencer that there is another agenda being played out here. I really don’t know what it is, but as long as Spencer keeps talking sense, I’ll keep reading him.
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And there are many more. I don’t think many are taking this crap seriously.
I’ll answer later, but no, Sphinx doesn’t write under my name, we just co-write posts sometimes that I start and therefore end up posted under my name.
Ahh, I’m enjoying the weather too much to write more right now…..maybe later….
OK, further proof that I’m a decent enough human being, Spencer mentioned in one of those links in Kejda’s piece that he gets death threats so he doesn’t disclose where he lives.
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Since I don’t actually want to see the guy and his family killed or hurt I just emailed him to tell him how apparent his visits to sites are. ——————————————————- Give the guy a hand though, OK?
Lex, allow me a modest change to my latest post:
“Lex, I want to grant you one thing: you have indeed explained yourself admirably, finally. The only thing is, you don’t come across as a very admirable person.”
This should really be
“Lex, I want to grant you one thing: you have indeed explained yourself admirably, finally. The only thing is, your actions do not come across as very admirable.”
This change is warranted because none of is quite pure, and one shouldn’t judge a person based on a handful of acts that are not praiseworthy. While I don’t quite slam you as a person, I do come close with the previous phrasing.
I am glad that you also do just and decent acts, and I’m not surprised. The question is only about the other acts. And about what I see as an incoherent position.
I realize that you have a problem: you don’t want to think ill of people. I don’t want to either. And yet, I’m not going to think well of the German Nazi families that didn’t physically, personally murder Jews. Now when you think that believing Muslims adhere to a religion that is unquestionably anti-kafir, from the “prophet” on down, it becomes ridiculously problematic to wave the issue away with “not all Muslims are jihadists.” Of course not all actually perpetrate violent activities. But a nontrivial number do, and a great number (I’d say far more than a bare majority) facilitate such activities in various ways.
This is why Muslims who seem perfectly reasonable for years suddenly slaughter kafirs in their neighborhood. The religion is the basis for such actions. That is why the religion must be ended. Decent Muslims can always convert to another religion or become atheists. If they don’t, they are always a potential threat, even if not an actual one.
Lex
You are not by any chance Morgan Sinclair or something like that are you?
Yes, we are agreeing to disagree on our positions regarding Islam, which in essence what you are saying. Did you even watch the video I had made way back when? This one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8ciKlhxyd0 ?
(they took the music away, which I thought fit really, really nicely, so please play it simultaneously with this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weeW_Zbv_ZI it’s live and not the same, but as close as I can come)
I do know what you’re saying. I changed my position and against the evidence of terrorism and things such as the Muslim Brotherhood proclamation the burden of proof is such that it makes it hard for me to defend my position at places such as this site. That may at times make it appear that my points are “confused” or whatever word you used for it. Regardless, I do know how I feel, and in stark contrast how I did feel. But keep in mind, I was more passionate in my arguments than “Aussie Infidel” at his angriest, than Savage. I tried as well and agreed back then with Geert Wilders (and moreso perhaps with Marco Pastors, another Dutch politician both following in the footsteps of Pim Fortuyn—or trying to).
I just know, in my heart how I feel. I know it makes me seem like a relativist as well, which I dislike as I hate relativism in it’s swishiest forms. Discussing these matters here, however, helps keep it all straight in my head, does that make sense? No matter how this works out with Medaura/Kejda and Spencer. I’ll still feel better being able to discuss matters here with you all for the very reason that I did use to share your opinions, and for that reason as well, I certainly do not blame you for having them at all.
Lex, I did just watch the video (with the soundtrack overlay). You are a talented propagandist (an honorable profession).
Correct me if I am wrong or putting words in your mouth. I think the most relevant disagreement here is within yourself (thinking vs. feeling), and it is creating a powerful dissonance. I can’t argue about your feelings, of course. But on the facts, you are just incorrect, which is why you have such trouble articulating a fact-based defense. So, you post snarky comments about Geller or Spencer. As these comments are not based on reasoning from facts, they seem beside the point and just plain annoying to most of us. But, at some level you can’t bring yourself to deny your thinking either–and you get that thinking developed here in abundance, which is reassuring for you.
If all of this is correct, you do have a problem, Lex. A Jewish approach could run like this:
Midrash Rabba on Ecclesiastes 7:36 states: “He who is compassionate at a time when he should be cruel, will ultimately be cruel at a time when he should show compassion.”
Further:
http://www.acpr.org.il/ENGLISH-NATIV/06-issue/shochetman-6.htm
Regarding the verse located in the chapter discussing Saul’s war with Amalek (I Samuel 15:9), “And Saul and the nation spared Agag,” the Midrash says8:
R’ Elazar said: One who becomes compassionate to the cruel will ultimately become cruel to the compassionate, as it is written, “And Saul and the nation spared Agag and the best sheep and cattle.”, and it is written (Ibid. 22:19) “And Nov, the city of priests, he smote with the edge of a sword.”
As we know, King Saul was commanded by the prophet Samuel: “Go and smite Amalek and confiscate all that is theirs” (I Samuel 15:3). This commandment stemmed from the Torah commandment to erase the memory of Amalek (Deuteronomy 25:19), however, in the hearts of Saul and the nation, compassion on Agag, King of Amalek and on the best sheep and cattle, was aroused, and as a result, Saul refrained from completely fulfilling the words of the prophet. In this regard, the Midrash states that one who becomes compassionate to the cruel will ultimately become cruel to the compassionate as King Saul acted compassionately to Agag (the cruel) and ultimately became cruel to the compassionate, in the guise of the people of Nov, the city of priests, whom Saul killed wantonly because he suspected them of having assisted David.
This is not, therefore, compassion to the cruel which ultimately leads to harming the general public and must therefore be avoided; this is rather a psychological process that claims that one who displays mercy towards the cruel will ultimately display a cruel attitude to the compassionate.
But is this very convincing to a non-Jew? Hm. Have you been cruel to Spencer and Geller, you think? I’d say so. No, they won’t burst into tears, but that’s not the point. What will YOU become if you continue to avoid real justice?
Whoops! Stupid me. I meant to put that in the open (car) item.
sk, the one to speak with about that is wrath. He is a true Hebraic scholar.
Thanks savage. I hope Wrath is listening …
(Sigh), I was going to stay out of the Lex thing altogether; sk and km seem to be doing a good job, but. . .
Lex, as someone who puts such value on feelings—and inordinate one, some might say, and on thinking nice thoughts about people—-well, how do you suppose we feel about your support of someone who supports Hezbollah, a terrorist group? And how do you think we feel when you keep dissing Spencer, and Pamela, two people who, whether you like them or not, have done very good work in uncovering radical Islam? For someone who claims they don’t want to think ill of anybody, you indulge in a lot of bile, and you seem to want us to join you in disliking them, all over some he said/she said issue, which really does sound pretty petty.
I’m truly sorry your feelings were hurt, but that won’t change my mind about either Spencer or Pamela’s positions, or Islam, or anything else.
That’s the point. They don’t do nearly as much as you think.
For once can I just explain myself on this blogmocracy without everything I say being questioned? I mean, I’m up for the debate and all, but I was trying to just debate it. And don’t think for a MINUTE that I haven’t already written Sphinx about this hezbollah thing!!! I even took myself off of the LGFWatch rolls over it. When he gets home and checks his email (in a month) he’s going to get a rather bad one.
OK, coffee time. BBL
“And how many times to I have to say that we accept Israel’s right to exist?” -Arafat
OMG, don’t even compare me to Arafat. Believe it or not, never liked the guy, still don’t
Huh? How is Sphinx’s nationality relevant? Do you know anything about fallacious types of arguments, Lex? Anyway, Egyptians are great readers of the Protocols as well, I hear. Maybe you can ask Sphinx about it next time he writes your blog entries for you
It is relevant, it’s from a completely different perspective. He’s never live in the U.S. at all. Also, I explained above the post writing.
Um, Lex? I think what you’re saying is that you are not assessing arguments dispassionately but just sticking up for people who are your friends? Whyt then should should anyone care about what you write? (I’d start to reassess friendship with people that I know prefer Hezbollah to Israel.)
Because I do have some rather informative things to say. For instance, see my links in the “Soap Box” thread re: Pim Fortuyn. Also, no one minded when I defended Pamela to the point of exhaustion because she was a good friend and not someone whose opinions I read but took instead what she said to me personally. As I said, I will be talking with Sphinx about that, but I do assume he said it in anger and probably regrets it now.
So, you “rather agree” with the contents of Stealth Jihad, but because you feel Spencer has been mean to you, and because his ancestors were Turkish dhimmis, and therefore you think he might have a tiny (evidence-based) grudge, you prefer to badmouth him?
Listen to what I actually said for once. I agree with the first parts of the book about CAIR and the ISNA and therefore cannot refute them since I haven’t enough evidence about CAIR and they are notorious at , um, exaggerating the truth if interviewed. It’s not that Spencer’s grandparents were dhimmis, it’s that they were from about 10 miles from where my OWN family were (technically under the Ottomans millets, not dhimmis, but why split hairs?). We’re of the same group and once joked that we must be at least distant cousins. That doesn’t make me approve of his writings, but because he reported that he has many death threats against him and wants to keep his location a secret, —————————————————– I may hate his work, but I still don’t want him to get fucking killed. Big difference there. I have no grudge against him personally.
So now you are not anti-jihadi. Are you just neutral to jihadis, or do you rather like them now?
I already stated that I still hate the actual jihadis. I meant anti-jihadi movement online. What I was a part of. Sorry, I didn’t make that clear.
Ah yes! The old, “they’re not all violent jihadis” argument. Irrelevant, of course. Not all mice die in tests of a compound. But when they die at an increased rate, that is considered a “failure.” Anyway, as I pointed out, these particular mice who don’t die make sure to hide those who did, until the whole place stinks of rot. Also, notice the irrelevant blather catchphrase (in bold).
They’re not all violent jihadis. The percentage that are must be dealt with. Again, whole argument in video form made by me about this and how I don’t support this percentage. But if we’re to complain about the rights and lives of those in Muslim countries being taken away by the radicals, are we supposed to also think that these victims were just “violent jihadis” and therefore not care that they died? We care about Aqsa Parvez and Atefeh Rajabi now that they’re dead. Prior to their deaths, were they just “stinking of rot” like the rest of the place?
See my “mice” analogy above. Anyway, you are again being incoherent. Once can indeed discredit a whole religion if one has in front of him the canonical texts and interpretations of the religion, which we do have. What we cannot do, necessarily, is think that every single person who is a Muslim is a villain. However, we might say that such a person is more likely a villain than a non-Muslim would be.
Again, this is what I once did, I went too far in discrediting “the whole religion”. I did use the texts, I claimed that the shahada itself was an insult to all other existing religions, I re-posted articles such as Hillaire Belloq about how Islam is nothing but heresy. All archived still at the IBA. I know how this is done, and I did it to the point of going too far and want no part of that now. My arguments then were accepted as great by my fellow anti-jihadis, but when I read them now they are fallacious arguments, though if I re-posted them instead of keeping them deleted at my old blog you’d probably rather like them yourself.
This is the ultimate moral and intellectual failure.
Hardly. If someone doesn’t learn more and continue to grow as a person, that is the moral and intellectual failure. Just ask Michael Savage, who says this constantly between rants about restaurants and stories about his dog, Teddy.
So, you enjoy seeing here what you have just said was immoral behavior that you were ashamed of. But, that’s ok, because you enjoy it second hand, and you get to immediately disavow the immoral behavior as well by sniping against it. Then you say that you’re just joking around here. Now THAT is certainly moral and courageous behavior.
Lex, I want to grant you one thing: you have indeed explained yourself admirably, finally. The only thing is, you don’t come across as a very admirable person.
No, now I have explained myself, and apologize for doing it so badly before. I;ve been sick and was on some incredible wonderful cough syrup yesterday which did the job, but rendered me goofy to the point where I was mailing Spencer his site meter report from my page because I didn’t want him to die, just for everyone to discredit his work….LOL…..seem inconsistent to you? Not really, I am for his right to say what he will and to challenge that, especially as I’m a relatively low traffic blogger whom none of his fans pay attention to.
I don’t enjoy anything vicariously here, but as I still agree that the violent jihadis and their deeds should make the news in some capacity, this is a good place to get that news instead of going to JW or LGF Classic. Also, people here post on other subjects such as abortion. I’m pro-life and don’t find friendly agreement on that at my left-wing haunts, though I don’t shirk from my positions at those sites either. Face it, I just like you guys.
OK, that got messed up and I couldn’t read it so I just hit send. I still get my dose of anti-CAIR stuff from friends (I used to talk regularly with and work with Joe Kaufman, my Mom still does. She also still gives me books like Bostom’s Legacy of Jihad and Spencer’s books. Currently I am reading “Future Jihad” by Walid Phares. I just find it interesting doing a second read.
At any rate, I hope that explained things better, um, off of the cough syrup. You think I’m not an admirable person, eh? And you accuse my minor comment about lack of respect as ad hominem? Fine, don’t find me admirable. I think I can still sleep at night. But I still like people here and really have enjoyed meeting and talking with Arwyn in particular. People can agree to disagree on political views. Even abortion. You claim Pamela is admirable? I had to agree to disagree with her on abortion, she is staunchly pro-choice and I am pro-life. Careful who you judge and on what, you don’t really know what goes on behind the scenes of these bigger blogs, trust me.
I’m sorry, Lex, that really didn’t explain much of anything. I don’t know if it’s the cough syrup, your feud with Spencer and Pamela or your strange adoration for Sphinx, and water carrying for him, but, whatever it is, you ought to lay off it.
I do find it strange that you have this relentless anger towards Pamela and Spencer, yet like someone who supports Hezbollah. Oh, yes, do give him that good talking to. I’m sure that will (heh) make him see the light.
Another thing you should lay off of is this overweening sense of guilt you feel for having once been part of the on-line anti-jihad movement.
Just thought I would pimp this blog here from some one called Dag W as they have combined my urban dictionary definition of Chuck Johnson and Buddy G’s image retrieval skills.
Admire the beauty.
http://nodhimmitude.blogspot.com/2009/02/in-joke-of-year.html
Haha
Golly, Lex. What can I say when I read paragraph after paragraph of yours and am dumbfounded by an absence of basic logic from someone who obviously has the intelligence to do far better?
You repeatedly say that you used to believe X but now don’t, as you have “grown.” Understand this: you have changed, but nobody here except you thinks you have grown. That you used to believe X means absolutely nothing. I am commenting on what you now believe (or feel or whatever).
I will pull out one point that I made (the mice analogy), as I think it is central to your bewildering current views. If scientists want to determine if some substance is safe for humans, one standard step is to do animal testing. Knowing, for example, the background mortality rate of mice, one can determine if a particular substance increases that rate. If, say, 10% more mice drop dead than expected (assuming statistical significance, which is determined by number of mice overall), one can reasonably conclude that there are serious safety risks from this substance. Maybe another 30% of the mice live but appear sick. Similarly, Islam will not kill (create violent jihadis) 100% of Muslims. But it produces a sizable percentage of violent jihadis as well as all sorts of other Islam-associated illnesses, from rabid anti-Semitism to honor killings, to taqqiyah about “The Religion of Peace,” to refusal to provide information to law enforcement, etc. We see the results in your buddy Sphinx.
Islam is the problem. Get it? It is a toxic ideology. It is spreading. It doesn’t just kill or deform the believers, however. It affects all of us as well. Those who care about Muslims should encourage them to convert. Those who care about everyone else should demand an end to this ideology in the West.
Thanks for the blog pimp, looks good!
Meanwhile, over at LGF, medaura is promising us part II of her Spencer hit job, whilst Josephine is being roundly denounced by the lizardoids for failing to be entirely enchanted by Ms. m.
I’m starting to think medaura and MPH, not Charles, are the new bosses over there. Looks like they’re not going to be happy until they get into some legal wrangle with Spencer.
Lex, you can’t read my mind, so you really don’t know what I think.
Spencer has written some good books, exposing Islam, and not just with ad hominem attacks, but by actually quoting the Koran, and Hadiths. His blog is very up to date, giving the latest news about Wilders, Islamic efforts to push the envelope, how our government leaders are interacting with Middle-Eastern governments, what Iran is actually saying, and many, many other things. He’s risked a lot of criticism, and even been called a Nazi, for his opinion that America’s establishing a Moslem state in Eastern Europe might not have been a good idea, and death threats for daring to say that Islam is not especially peaceful.
Pamela is doing some good work on exposing honor killings in the west, trying to keep the memory of Aqsa Parvez alive when others would like to bury it, along with poor Aqsa, and documenting the anti-semetism at many of the pro Gaza rallies. You can call this “This is not doing nearly enough as you think”, but, as I said, you don’t know what I’m thinking. Furthermore, if this is really what you think, all I can say is, please lay off the cough syrup!
Also, whether you think they’re doing enough or not, neither one of them supports Hezbollah.
I’m beginning to wonder—-are medaura and MPH going to try forcing Charles out of his own blog, or reduce him to a purely token role: posting pictures of beaches and monkeys, music videos and ads for Kindle 2? If we are a conspiracy site, 1.0 certainly makes it easy for us, the way they’re going!
As I’ve said before, I do find it strange that you condemn Pamela and Spencer, and yet can be so warm and admiring towards someone who supports Hezbollah, and is so anti-Israel.
Yaza! Hey now! I’M the only Ms m around these parts.
I won’t allow Medusa to screw my little alphabit up.
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AKM
Ask No2Liberals!
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Pamela’s blind to anything else in the world due to her hyper-focused attitude towards Israel. I don’t like Spencer’s work, but have been spending the last half-hour helping the man trying to get his personal info hidden since he has fatwas on his head. I only checked in here because I got an email about stuff said here about me. I’m going back to emails because, believe it or not, I don’t want Spencer to get killed by some whack-job (or Pamela and her family either). After all, if they got hurt or killed then who would I photoshop? JK…I really am busy with this right now though.
And yes, that cough syrup is the best thing ever.
Hyper-focused on Israel? God forbid! Why should anybody be focused on Israel? Just because it’s surrounded by crazed enemies, who want to attack it, and just because Pamela’s Jewish, and worries about a second holocaust? How blind of her! Like that could ever happen, ha, ha, ha, ha! Da noive a dat Pamela! Surely there are much more important things to focus on! Cough syrup, for instance. And being nice.
Lex, I Spencer will be a lot safer, and you’ll do better too, if you stop trying to save him, and just lie down for a bit. And no more cough syrup.
I gotcha, Arwyn! You’re the only m around here!
Yaza, damn skippy!
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Arwyn, like the pic.
Lex, please. Go lie down. Right now. Stop trying to help Spencer. Stop blabbing about how much danger he’s in, and exactly where it is, and where anybody can find out about him. Just stop. Please.
Lex—- Sounds like you may have the same bug that’s been going around these parts. Low-grade fever, sore throat, NASTY slimy cough.
In the spirit of ecumenism——(since we are both Catholics!)——-I might mention Martin Luther’s famous little parable:
A drunk man gets on a horse, leans left, and falls off the left side of the horse.
He gets back on. To compensate, he leans right and falls off the right side of the horse.
Crap, I’m really sick, fever again. This is horrible. Please delete the comment about Spencer and all, OK? I mean, no one can access my site meter anyway, but still. Please delete it, for his safety.
Done, Lex… (edited, not deleted).
But I did delete mine asking why.
I knew they couldn’t see yours, but you still don’t want to give them ideas!
True. I really don’t like a lot of these people but I still don’t want to see harm done to them. I’m still so horrified at the pictures of Theo van Gogh and especially of my old namesake Pim Fortuyn just lying out on the streets. Jeez, I still cry over the pics of Pim dead like that.
That said, if Spencer doesn’t thank me soon he’s getting photoshopped. So, what should I stick his head on? LOL…see, I’m back to my old self again. Oh wait, he watches these threads…HEY SPENCER!! THANK ME SOMETIME, WHY DON’T YOU? HELLLLLOOOOOO OUT THERE?!?!?!
(everyone wave now)
sk–wow, was that straight from Trifkovic or Warraq? Because I’m rereading Phares right now, and that’s just not him. I think the mice thing is definitely all you, though.
I understand why you want to argue with me, but talk about ad hominems! Sheesh! Can you guys at least try to be polite in your attempts to debate? Look at Arwyn, she’s really nice;)
I grant that Arwyn is a lady and could easily run a charm school. Regarding ad hominems, though, Lex, you err. There is a difference between a fallacious (because ad hominem) argument and what is called an ad hominem attack (which, if we ditch the Latin, would be called an insult). Given that I withdrew and then rephrased the one comment that referred to you personally, I am not hurling insults. You, however, are indeed making ad hominem “arguments” based on the personal attributes that you perceive in PG, Spencer, and other “anti-jihad” notables.
My views regarding Islam derive mainly from my scientific training (mostly quantitative social science), spiced up with my current work on healthcare-related policy. Sure, the anti-jihad notables have contributed much information and some arguments. So has my personal familiarity with canonical Islamic texts. I just push the arguments to their logical conclusions. But yes, the mice thing is 100% me. How better, though, to convey the overall point?
Lex Agent Chaos said,
Maybe you’re right about that, I don’t know, but I do have my doubts…
I say that because when I visited Spencer’s blog when he had a thread or two about Charles Johnson going off on him, Spencer actually said something to the effect of (and this was after someone told Spencer, “You should sue Johnson”), “Part of me would like to sue Johnson, sure, but I don’t have the money to hire a lawyer or the time to get involved in legal entanglements.”
I’m basing that on memory, so those are not his exact words. Don’t have the link, sorry.
The point is that I saw Spencer say at “Jihad Watch” that he is not interested in legal action against people who bash him, or he cannot initiate legal action (due to lack of money or time).
lol, sk I caught that
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Another thread on this site that Spencer has been reading. Wave, everyone!
Rainy Day, as far as I know, so far, Spencer hasn’t replied to the latest medaura attack on him. From what I’ve seen, unlike Charles and medusa, he doesn’t go around starting blog wars, or looking for trouble.