“We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred forever, unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone” (Surah 60:4)
This blog is about common arguments used by Islamists and their supporters. If you’ve ever had a debate with a “moderate” Muslim, some of these will be very familiar:
1. “Islam” means “peace” – The word Islam means “submission.” When confronted, most Islamists will argue it does mean “submission,” but only to Allah. This doesn’t just apply to those who choose to embrace the Islamic faith. To the Muslim world, peace can only come when all humans submit to Allah, whether by conversion or subjugation.
2. Jihadis make up only a small percentage of Muslims – Recent polls in Indonesia indicates differently. One in ten Muslims polled supported violence against innocent people, while a third wanted the Sharia as the highest law in the land. Polls in America show 15% of Muslims support terrorism. Similar polls in the U.K. shows as many as 40% support terroristic violence and/or the Sharia. The Sharia, or Islamic Law, supports such barbaric, draconian punishments as stoning to death rape victims who cannot provide four male witnesses to the crime. So, almost half of the Muslims in this Western country want to impose Islam on all.
There are over one billion Muslims in the world. Using the most conservative number of 10% who support radical views, that leaves one hundred million Islamic extremists. A small percentage…
3. Islam forbids the killing of innocent people – This is true. However, what constitutes an “innocent person” might surprise you. In Islam, there are no innocent non-Muslims. Disbelief is a crime against Allah. Anyone who commits a crime against Allah is a legitimate target for Jihadis. “Disbelievers are an open enemy to you.” (Surah 4:101). The Qur’an commands Muslims to kill the enemies of Allah (Surah 2:191).
4. The Qur’an is misinterpreted or out of context – A very common defense, Muslims will usually go straight for this one, especially when infidels use direct quotes from the Qur’an. Once, when I asked a Muslim how long “forever” meant in Surah 60:4 (see the verse at the top of this article), the response was “In Muhammad’s time.” Either Muslims have little grasp of the English language, or they choose to deceptively ignore the qualifier “until you believe in Allah.” The verse could not be clearer. But because Muslims do not want to admit the true intent of Islam, they continue to mislead and misrepresent about the Qur’an. Disbelievers are FOREVER the enemy of Allah, until they submit to Islam.
5. The Qur’an is mistranslated – This is also true. The question you should ask is how it is mistranslated. According to Arab speaking apostates, the English version of the Qur’an is less violent. One example is the word “kartillo.” It is most often translated as “fight.” But the definitions are different. The English word “fight” suggests a struggle until the enemy is overcome. The Arabic word, however, means to the death. To either die fighting or fight until you kill your enemy. When Muhammad said, “And fight [Disbelievers] until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.” (Surah 2:193), he did not mean struggle against non-Muslims, resist them, or battle until victorious. He meant kill them.
6. Lying is forbidden in Islam – And how would you know a Muslim wasn’t engaging in “Taqiyya” (deceit) when they make this claim? Taqiyya is an integral part of Islam. Muhammad himself approved the use of deceit to kill his enemies.
In the Hadith Vol. 5, Book 59, #369, Muhammad needs an assassin to kill Ka`b bin al-Ashraf, a Jew and a poet who knows Muhammad is a false prophet. A man named Muhammad bin Maslama volunteers to kill Ka’b, but then asks if he could lie to Ka’b in order to lure him into a trap. From the Hadith: Muhammad bin Maslama said, “Then allow me to say a (false) thing (to deceive Ka’b).” The Prophet said, “You may say it.” Muhammad is also quoted as saying: “Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people”
In another example, Muhammad himself said: “Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people.” (Ahmad, 6.459. H)
And most importantly, the Qur’an itself lauds Allah as being the greatest of all deceivers (Surah 3:54 – this verse is one of those often mistranslated. Most English versions translate the Arab word as “planner” or “schemer.” The true meaning is “deceiver.”)
7. Jews and Muslims lived in peace for centuries in Islamic states – In peace? It is true there have been non-Muslims living in Islamic states for centuries. But those non-Muslims never enjoyed equal rights with Muslims. They were subjected to humiliations to conform with the Qur’an’s command that they “feel themselves subdued” (Sura 9:29). They could never exercise their religion in public. They could never disparage Islam (we see this today in Islamic states – anyone who ‘insults’ Islam, even with truthful statements, is beheaded). They lived under the Sharia, which provided discriminatory justice for the two groups. A non-Muslim who killed a Muslim, even in self-defense, was cruelly tortured and executed. A Muslim who murdered a non-Muslim for any reason faced only a monetary fine.
8. Other religions have their violent histories – Throughout history, many atrocities have been committed in the name of religion. However, it is important to distinguish between the past and the present. While other religions have acknowledged and condemned past injustices, Islam continues to this day to perpetrate acts of savagery on innocent people. It is the only religion that uses historical violence to justify modern terrorism.
9. Terrorists are not true Muslims – A popular defense for Islamic apologists. It is irrelevant if terrorists are adhering to Islamic teachings accurately or not. The ideology behind the “Religion of Peace” promotes and justifies Islamic violence. The Qur’an encourages intolerance, hatred and the destruction of all non-Muslims. Radical Muslims interpret the vile messages in this ‘holy’ book as a religious duty. By the same token, Muslims will rarely, if ever, excuse historical violence committed by self-proclaimed Christians, despite the fact Christian ideology does not promote religious violence. Hypocrisy is yet another malevolent vice of the Islamic culture. When a Christian commits a crime against humanity, it is the fault of the religion as a whole; When a Muslim commits a similar barbarous act, it is the individual’s fault, not that of the religion.
Now that you’ve armed yourself with weapon of knowledge, go forth and begin your own crusade against the threat of Islam.








Great post DJM.
thanks for the great info DJM.
I suggest a firearm when dealing with these subhumans.
Short term solution, savage. Knowledge and truth is a long term solution.
Agreed DJM. But these Muslims are completely unpredictable. I trust them as much as a rabid cat, which is about how most of them are.
DJM,
The Leftists over at Think Progress need 2 read this.
Also a valuable site:-
http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/index.html
That is total truth. Islam’s very foundation is flawed beyond “repair”, there is no safe compromise with Islam in general…because it’s moral compass is all relative to the success of Islam. Its okay to murder, lie, rape, steal, make slavery as long as Islam is dominate and opposition submits.
Religion of Peace website is also great, as is FaithFreedom, WikiIslam and Blogging the Quran
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.faithfreedom.org/index.htm
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.jihadwatch.org/articles/bloggingtheq.php
There are of course many more, but these are good starters.
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Those are some great sites. Thanks Infidel Pride.
I can understand your anger against Muslims, but please get to know Muslims personally before saying we’re subhumans or other antagonistic things. We’re not what you think. Even though my words is trash to a lot of you please get to know a Muslim before judging us based on a small percentage of people who commit accts of violence.
A lot of things you said about the Qur’an is not true. Please look to multiple sources of facts before spreading hatred against us. We’re not as bad as you think.
#12 Azmi -
I know many ex-muslims personally. I find them to be incredibly wonderful, friendly,and intelligent people. I love talking to them and being with them. So I don’t doubt you when you say there are some good people who are muslim.
Unfortunately, there are too many “good” muslims who turn a blind eye on islamic terrorism because, according to them, the terrorists are not “real” muslims. Yet, when an infidel draws a cartoon of your prophet, these “good” muslims suddenly find the time and effort to express some true outrage.
On the quran: it should be able to stand on its own. It is supposed to be the word of god, is it not? It shouldn’t need multiple sources to verify it validity.
Tell you what, Azmi. I’m one who loves to learn, and understanding islam happens to be one of my passions. Point me to some of your ‘multiple sources of fact’ about islam and/or the quran, and I’ll read them. But you have to do something for me. Go to http://www.youtube.com/AhmadsQuran3 and choose ANY 3 of the more than 187 video lessons and tell me where they are wrong. Please provide a ’source of fact’ to backup your claim.
Deal?
While DJM waits for Azmi…
DJM, this is great stuff. One very minor quibble: when you refer to the Hadith, please indicate which collection of ahadith you are referencing, e.g, Bukhari or Abu Muslim.