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		<title>By: avideditor</title>
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		<description>The NPD of Germany is Nazi right? Here is a link I found at drudge. http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=211826
They said right wing too many times. I think the real nazis are on the left wing or are jihaids. Maybe the NPD is really a right wing Nazi party, I am still much more scared of leftist and Jihadis. Stalin was anything but right wing and I think he killed more jews than Hitler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NPD of Germany is Nazi right? Here is a link I found at drudge. <a href="http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=211826" rel="nofollow">http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=211826</a><br />
They said right wing too many times. I think the real nazis are on the left wing or are jihaids. Maybe the NPD is really a right wing Nazi party, I am still much more scared of leftist and Jihadis. Stalin was anything but right wing and I think he killed more jews than Hitler.</p>
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		<title>By: shiva</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by avideditor

I am a Jew.

Yes Avi I already know, Not that you have directly mentioned this in any of your correspondence with me, or comments at my blog.

 Before I go on, I would like to same, I am extremely upset about what has just happen in Mumbai. I know what type of people who run the Chabad-Lubavitch missions are. As I used to go with some Israeli friends to their Mission in Bangkok. It was a disgusting attack on some extremely good hearted folk.

I agree with you that many within the BNP do get it wrong concerning the Jews, and this is disturbing, what is even more disturbing is it no tonly confined to the BNP, antisemitism is pretty much well spread out through the whole British spectrum, and it is alarming that it is only the BNP that is being put under the spotlight.

While all the focus is on the BNP, every body overlooks the antisemitism within socialism.

Even though the BNP have tendencies that are anti-Semitic, they happen to be one of the few groups that are not supporting the islamist. As stated before I do conditionally support the BNP, the condition is that follow along the path they have chosen, and that is to rid itself of antisemitism, unfortunately this will be happen over night, due to the fact that antisemitism is deeply embedded in all of the British society, not just the BNP. There are many examples in history, we only have to see how the British behaved in Israel.

Oh yes the British government are hypocrites, while bashing the heads of the Nazis in Gable street, they where giving the one balled dictator and his Pali goon the green card to transport Jews to the Zyclon B chambers

See the statement from the British at the Evian Conference in my last comment.

What is interesting with that statement, is England was full up 80 years ago, when it concerned 500,000 threatened Jews, yet by a stroke of magic, 80 years later, Britain magically emptied so as to have the need of several million hostile muslims

You have already looked at Indymedia, you can see how much they oppose the BNP, Just take a look at there sentiments towards Israel.Any organization that opposes antisemitism should not support Palistine, let alone pump millions of dollars into the curse of Judea and Samaria since הכרזת העצמאות‎, Hakhrazat HaAtzma&#039;ut .

Now to change a little bit in my I showed little respect towards Melanie Philips, I called her a hypocrite. If she was so concerned about Israel why is she cashing in a nice fat pay check from the pro islamic/anti Israeli BBC.</description>
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<p>I am a Jew.</p>
<p>Yes Avi I already know, Not that you have directly mentioned this in any of your correspondence with me, or comments at my blog.</p>
<p> Before I go on, I would like to same, I am extremely upset about what has just happen in Mumbai. I know what type of people who run the Chabad-Lubavitch missions are. As I used to go with some Israeli friends to their Mission in Bangkok. It was a disgusting attack on some extremely good hearted folk.</p>
<p>I agree with you that many within the BNP do get it wrong concerning the Jews, and this is disturbing, what is even more disturbing is it no tonly confined to the BNP, antisemitism is pretty much well spread out through the whole British spectrum, and it is alarming that it is only the BNP that is being put under the spotlight.</p>
<p>While all the focus is on the BNP, every body overlooks the antisemitism within socialism.</p>
<p>Even though the BNP have tendencies that are anti-Semitic, they happen to be one of the few groups that are not supporting the islamist. As stated before I do conditionally support the BNP, the condition is that follow along the path they have chosen, and that is to rid itself of antisemitism, unfortunately this will be happen over night, due to the fact that antisemitism is deeply embedded in all of the British society, not just the BNP. There are many examples in history, we only have to see how the British behaved in Israel.</p>
<p>Oh yes the British government are hypocrites, while bashing the heads of the Nazis in Gable street, they where giving the one balled dictator and his Pali goon the green card to transport Jews to the Zyclon B chambers</p>
<p>See the statement from the British at the Evian Conference in my last comment.</p>
<p>What is interesting with that statement, is England was full up 80 years ago, when it concerned 500,000 threatened Jews, yet by a stroke of magic, 80 years later, Britain magically emptied so as to have the need of several million hostile muslims</p>
<p>You have already looked at Indymedia, you can see how much they oppose the BNP, Just take a look at there sentiments towards Israel.Any organization that opposes antisemitism should not support Palistine, let alone pump millions of dollars into the curse of Judea and Samaria since הכרזת העצמאות‎, Hakhrazat HaAtzma&#8217;ut .</p>
<p>Now to change a little bit in my I showed little respect towards Melanie Philips, I called her a hypocrite. If she was so concerned about Israel why is she cashing in a nice fat pay check from the pro islamic/anti Israeli BBC.</p>
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		<title>By: avideditor</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Jew. I know people that are born Jews run Hollywood. But I think blame Hollywoods liberal agenda on liberalism not on the Jews. The leader of the BPN and others get it wrong IMHO. That is my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Jew. I know people that are born Jews run Hollywood. But I think blame Hollywoods liberal agenda on liberalism not on the Jews. The leader of the BPN and others get it wrong IMHO. That is my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: shiva</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by A Rant Supreme Excelled

PS Don’t publish the list. It has the names and addresses of kids on there. Despite their odious politics and despite the left having a field day the right to privacy is paramount over political point scoring.

OOOPs

I did miss that, sorry.

Whether the list contains names of kids is irrelevant,It should never be published.

 Oh dear,oh dear it really seems I put my foot in it by declaring you a traitor, but I have no reason to retract, most of your claims are no more than regurgitated red fascist/islamofascist propaganda lifted from libelous sites such as searchlight.

Comment by A Rant Supreme Excelled

You are an idiot. Full stop. I am not a traitor because I owe absolutely no authority to the BNP. They are an organisation of racists, fascist authoritarians. They are an affront to conservative values.

When we look at the political scene in Britain today, I would say the whole pack are an affront to conservative values, and I think there will be a few Tories who would agree with me, after the arrest of Damian Green, yesterday in yet another display of the viciousness of the liberal-fascist state – in spite of the fact that both Conservatives and Labour have had a hand in creating the authoritarian witch-hunt.

A Rant Supreme Excelled

 PS If you think the current focus on ‘anti-Jihad’ has changed the BNP’s barely concealed Jew hatred this may open some people’s eyes (although I doubt Shiva would care)

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3047201/reverting-to-type.thtml

There was a time razor blades.

Follow the link we come to Melanie Philips and BBC Radio Four’s Moral Maze where Lee Barnes was invited.

All very good, one may think, the BBC giving air play to BNP, but not so, the BBC goes to any lenght to show BNP in a bad light, so what do they do, they  invite Lee Barnes, who is basically a blogger, and threw into the lion&#039;s den against four experienced TV panelists  Burke a standard BBC liberal, Phillips the Neo-con with a fanatical hatred of the BNP, Malik the ex-anti Nazi league and commie, Portillo the son of Spanish republican refugees. If the BBC wanted a serious debate, why didnt they Bring in Griffin, or Simon Darcey

The show starts with  Michael Burke by roundly insulting all BNP members. Philips started off by saying the are loathsome, Malik said there views were odious.

Philips asked a question and before the Barnes lad got his answer out she was shouting all over the place. In the end Barnes had to keep raising his voice just to get heard.

So why is Philips so uptight, and has gotten her pantaloons into a twist, she is a brilliant anti-jihad commentator, but she is unfortunately a hypocrite, and Barnes quite rightly pointed it out that she condemneds anyone who wants a Britain for the indigenous population, while supporting a homeland exclusively for Jews.

 So basically what Barnes is saying is what is good for the Jews is also good for the Brits. Now I ask you is that antisemitism.

Answering avideditor

Do you think the BPN is anti-Semitic?

Ouch

Lets be perfectly honest. The BNP can be seen as being anti-Semitic, because of it,s roots. There are many members and supporter who are working to remove antisemitism out of the BNP. This is being reinforced by people within the BNP who are learning more about Islam, they are beginning to learn that the Jews are not the enemy. It is interesting to see some of the discussions at Stormfront between BNP supporters and the white power nazi,s

What I will say is antisemitism the exclusive property of the BNP

Britain does have a nasty little history of antisemitism

Hows this little gem

It has been the traditional policy of successive British Governments to offer asylum to persons who, for political, racial or religious reasons, have had to leave their own countries…But the United Kingdom is not a country of immigration.  It is highly industrialised, fully populated and is still faced with the problem of unemployment. For economic and social reasons, the traditional policy of granting asylum can only be applied within narrow limits…. His Majesty&#039;s Government are also carefully surveying the prospects of the admission of refugees to their colonies and overseas territories.  The question is not a simple one….  Many overseas territories are already overcrowded, others are wholly or partly unsuitable for European settlement….No thickly populated country can be expected to accept persons who are deprived of their means of subsistence before they are able to enter it.  Nor can the resources of private societies be expected to make good the losses which the emigrants have suffered.

Lord Winterton,  The Evian Conference, July 1938

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<p>PS Don’t publish the list. It has the names and addresses of kids on there. Despite their odious politics and despite the left having a field day the right to privacy is paramount over political point scoring.</p>
<p>OOOPs</p>
<p>I did miss that, sorry.</p>
<p>Whether the list contains names of kids is irrelevant,It should never be published.</p>
<p> Oh dear,oh dear it really seems I put my foot in it by declaring you a traitor, but I have no reason to retract, most of your claims are no more than regurgitated red fascist/islamofascist propaganda lifted from libelous sites such as searchlight.</p>
<p>Comment by A Rant Supreme Excelled</p>
<p>You are an idiot. Full stop. I am not a traitor because I owe absolutely no authority to the BNP. They are an organisation of racists, fascist authoritarians. They are an affront to conservative values.</p>
<p>When we look at the political scene in Britain today, I would say the whole pack are an affront to conservative values, and I think there will be a few Tories who would agree with me, after the arrest of Damian Green, yesterday in yet another display of the viciousness of the liberal-fascist state – in spite of the fact that both Conservatives and Labour have had a hand in creating the authoritarian witch-hunt.</p>
<p>A Rant Supreme Excelled</p>
<p> PS If you think the current focus on ‘anti-Jihad’ has changed the BNP’s barely concealed Jew hatred this may open some people’s eyes (although I doubt Shiva would care)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3047201/reverting-to-type.thtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3047201/reverting-to-type.thtml</a></p>
<p>There was a time razor blades.</p>
<p>Follow the link we come to Melanie Philips and BBC Radio Four’s Moral Maze where Lee Barnes was invited.</p>
<p>All very good, one may think, the BBC giving air play to BNP, but not so, the BBC goes to any lenght to show BNP in a bad light, so what do they do, they  invite Lee Barnes, who is basically a blogger, and threw into the lion&#8217;s den against four experienced TV panelists  Burke a standard BBC liberal, Phillips the Neo-con with a fanatical hatred of the BNP, Malik the ex-anti Nazi league and commie, Portillo the son of Spanish republican refugees. If the BBC wanted a serious debate, why didnt they Bring in Griffin, or Simon Darcey</p>
<p>The show starts with  Michael Burke by roundly insulting all BNP members. Philips started off by saying the are loathsome, Malik said there views were odious.</p>
<p>Philips asked a question and before the Barnes lad got his answer out she was shouting all over the place. In the end Barnes had to keep raising his voice just to get heard.</p>
<p>So why is Philips so uptight, and has gotten her pantaloons into a twist, she is a brilliant anti-jihad commentator, but she is unfortunately a hypocrite, and Barnes quite rightly pointed it out that she condemneds anyone who wants a Britain for the indigenous population, while supporting a homeland exclusively for Jews.</p>
<p> So basically what Barnes is saying is what is good for the Jews is also good for the Brits. Now I ask you is that antisemitism.</p>
<p>Answering avideditor</p>
<p>Do you think the BPN is anti-Semitic?</p>
<p>Ouch</p>
<p>Lets be perfectly honest. The BNP can be seen as being anti-Semitic, because of it,s roots. There are many members and supporter who are working to remove antisemitism out of the BNP. This is being reinforced by people within the BNP who are learning more about Islam, they are beginning to learn that the Jews are not the enemy. It is interesting to see some of the discussions at Stormfront between BNP supporters and the white power nazi,s</p>
<p>What I will say is antisemitism the exclusive property of the BNP</p>
<p>Britain does have a nasty little history of antisemitism</p>
<p>Hows this little gem</p>
<p>It has been the traditional policy of successive British Governments to offer asylum to persons who, for political, racial or religious reasons, have had to leave their own countries…But the United Kingdom is not a country of immigration.  It is highly industrialised, fully populated and is still faced with the problem of unemployment. For economic and social reasons, the traditional policy of granting asylum can only be applied within narrow limits…. His Majesty&#8217;s Government are also carefully surveying the prospects of the admission of refugees to their colonies and overseas territories.  The question is not a simple one….  Many overseas territories are already overcrowded, others are wholly or partly unsuitable for European settlement….No thickly populated country can be expected to accept persons who are deprived of their means of subsistence before they are able to enter it.  Nor can the resources of private societies be expected to make good the losses which the emigrants have suffered.</p>
<p>Lord Winterton,  The Evian Conference, July 1938</p>
<p>We all know what came next</p>
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		<title>By: avideditor</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for answering my question Shiva. Did I get everything right in my statement of what I learned in this thread (comment 57) in your view?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for answering my question Shiva. Did I get everything right in my statement of what I learned in this thread (comment 57) in your view?</p>
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		<title>By: shiva</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>avideditor

No body yet has answer your question yet

&quot;Is the BPN Fascist or are just some of its members pro-Nazi?&quot;

Well It is a difficult question,

So I will put it this way, the BNP has a very murky and unsavory past, and it was the party of choice for nazi, this nobody can deny. Also Nick Griffin has not such a clean history. Now since BNP split from the National Front they have attempted to tidy up.We must remember that it is the BNP that is doing the tidy up under the leadership of Griffin. It should be noted that the hard core elements have left or been dismissed, but the left try to discredit them by digging up their past, or making up fairy/scairy stories such as the mythical Column 88.

It is under Griffins leadership, that the BNP are leaving there roots behind, now if griffin was as clean as a whistle the I do not see that it would have been possible for him to take control of the BNP, and to make the reforms necessary for them o be a mainstream party. Griffen had the form and history it takes to become the leader of the pack. Take a look at history Churchill was no less a fascist as griffin.

  Q: Is the BPN Fascist?

  A: If all the parties where put under the looking glass as the present BNP, we would find that the Lab/Lib/Con are just as guilty of being fascist than the BNP, so on a level playing field the BNP are &lt;B&gt;not fascist&lt;/B&gt;

  Q: or are just some of its members pro-Nazi?

  A: Much to my dismay I have to answer with a loud yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>avideditor</p>
<p>No body yet has answer your question yet</p>
<p>&#8220;Is the BPN Fascist or are just some of its members pro-Nazi?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well It is a difficult question,</p>
<p>So I will put it this way, the BNP has a very murky and unsavory past, and it was the party of choice for nazi, this nobody can deny. Also Nick Griffin has not such a clean history. Now since BNP split from the National Front they have attempted to tidy up.We must remember that it is the BNP that is doing the tidy up under the leadership of Griffin. It should be noted that the hard core elements have left or been dismissed, but the left try to discredit them by digging up their past, or making up fairy/scairy stories such as the mythical Column 88.</p>
<p>It is under Griffins leadership, that the BNP are leaving there roots behind, now if griffin was as clean as a whistle the I do not see that it would have been possible for him to take control of the BNP, and to make the reforms necessary for them o be a mainstream party. Griffen had the form and history it takes to become the leader of the pack. Take a look at history Churchill was no less a fascist as griffin.</p>
<p>  Q: Is the BPN Fascist?</p>
<p>  A: If all the parties where put under the looking glass as the present BNP, we would find that the Lab/Lib/Con are just as guilty of being fascist than the BNP, so on a level playing field the BNP are <b>not fascist</b></p>
<p>  Q: or are just some of its members pro-Nazi?</p>
<p>  A: Much to my dismay I have to answer with a loud yes.</p>
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		<title>By: avideditor</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The supposedly more sophisticated British National Party reverted to type last night when it fielded its ‘legal director’ (sic) Lee Barnes to take part in BBC Radio Four’s Moral Maze on which I am a regular panellist. The subject was whether people’s political views should ever disqualify them from a job, an issue that had arisen in the context of the leaking to the press of the BNP’s membership list.

Barnes, who was supposedly there to present the BNP as a mainstream political party, proceeded to behave like a thug. To make the case for BNP members’ right to express themselves, he set out to prevent anyone else from talking; he ranted and raved so badly that it was impossible for the panellists even to finish their questions to him, let alone get a word in edgeways. He also couldn’t stop himself making anti-Jewish remarks. What sent him over the edge altogether was my charge that the BNP stood outside the values of British society in refusing to uphold the right to equality of black or Asian Britons who the BNP does not regard as properly British. How dare I talk about human rights, he screamed, when I was always going on about Zionism and Israel! To which I responded that he clearly didn’t think I was British either, since in a previous exchange he had said I should be deported to Israel.

Now look (if you can stomach it) at how he describes this encounter on his own blog where he claims that it was I who bafflingly introduced the subject of Israel – and also that he had threatened before the show that he would talk over everyone else if they didn’t give him time to answer. It obviously doesn’t occur to him that anyone who heard the show, or listens to it on the Maze website (at least when the replay facility is working again) would know that this account is demonstrably false.

And after all that effort the BNP has made to sanitise itself, too. You’d have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.&quot; From the link that A Rant Supreme Excelled left. I know that most people on here do not like clicking on links so I provided the info here.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The supposedly more sophisticated British National Party reverted to type last night when it fielded its ‘legal director’ (sic) Lee Barnes to take part in BBC Radio Four’s Moral Maze on which I am a regular panellist. The subject was whether people’s political views should ever disqualify them from a job, an issue that had arisen in the context of the leaking to the press of the BNP’s membership list.</p>
<p>Barnes, who was supposedly there to present the BNP as a mainstream political party, proceeded to behave like a thug. To make the case for BNP members’ right to express themselves, he set out to prevent anyone else from talking; he ranted and raved so badly that it was impossible for the panellists even to finish their questions to him, let alone get a word in edgeways. He also couldn’t stop himself making anti-Jewish remarks. What sent him over the edge altogether was my charge that the BNP stood outside the values of British society in refusing to uphold the right to equality of black or Asian Britons who the BNP does not regard as properly British. How dare I talk about human rights, he screamed, when I was always going on about Zionism and Israel! To which I responded that he clearly didn’t think I was British either, since in a previous exchange he had said I should be deported to Israel.</p>
<p>Now look (if you can stomach it) at how he describes this encounter on his own blog where he claims that it was I who bafflingly introduced the subject of Israel – and also that he had threatened before the show that he would talk over everyone else if they didn’t give him time to answer. It obviously doesn’t occur to him that anyone who heard the show, or listens to it on the Maze website (at least when the replay facility is working again) would know that this account is demonstrably false.</p>
<p>And after all that effort the BNP has made to sanitise itself, too. You’d have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.&#8221; From the link that A Rant Supreme Excelled left. I know that most people on here do not like clicking on links so I provided the info here.</p>
<p>Do you think the BPN is anti-Semitic?</p>
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