Well I saw this Witch-hunt against BNP hits Australia and New Zealand and I was curious. I saw the inside edition on the BPN I was wondering what the LGF2 readers think and if there in any evidence of if the BPN is Fascist.
Update: Just so it is clear, I judge people on Ideology not their blood.
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I think the BPN is very different then the VB. Is the BPN a modern day Nazi party or is that just a lefty smear?
CONSTITUTIONOF THE
BRITISH NATIONAL PARTY
Eighth Edition, published November 2004
SECTION 2: MEMBERSHIP
1) The British National Party represents the collective National, Environmental, Political,
Racial, Folkish, Social, Cultural, Religious and Economic interests of the indigenous
Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norse folk communities of Britain and those we regard as
closely related and ethnically assimilated or assimilable aboriginal members of the
European race also resident in Britain. Membership of the BNP is strictly defined
within the terms of, and our members also self define themselves within, the legal
ambit of a defined ‘racial group’ this being ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ and defined ‘ethnic
groups’ emanating from that Race as specified in law in the House of Lords case of
Mandla V Dowell Lee (1983) 1 ALL ER 1062, HL.
2) The indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous
Caucasian’ consist of members of: i) The Anglo-Saxon Folk Community; ii) The Celtic
Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The
Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtic
Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The
Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The
Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic
groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them.
I don’t know if their membership has changed since 2004, I am not sure it makes them fascist, racist yes but not really fascist.
They wouldn’t be a fringe party, if they would admit British born citizens of any ethnicity who were loyal to the country.
But the whites only platform of the BNP means they will stay fringe.
I’ve been to their website, other than the whites only stuff, they seem like they have some good ideas.
1. They are a whites only party
2. Their leader has been convicted of holocaust denial
3. Everything is a Jewish plot in their world
4. Their only riding the anti-Islam thing for publicity, their leader visited and tried to solicit funds from Gadaffi in the 80’s whilst the Libyans were murdering Brits and Americans. The BNP even sold his propaganda.
5. I’d love to know what ideas are ‘good’ all that’s in their manifesto is barely concealed race hate and pie in the sky national socialism.
PS The use of the term ‘Folk Community’ in the BNP constitution is a clumsy translation of the term Volksgemeinschaft. This term makes all sorts of assumptions about the unity and communal nature of the groups to which the BNP refers. More to the point, the constitution is not only racist, but ideologically grounded in Nazism.
They oppose the Islamization of the UK, I’ve seen that. But perhaps I haven’t looked at them enough.
I don’t know them enough to know about their view on Jewish people.
If their leader is indeed a Holocaust denier, and believes is an antisemite, than they are even fringier than I thought.
If Mr/Ms. A. Rant would provide links to the Holocaust denial, I will agree with him/her that the BNP has issues…
So do you think Lion Heart is a racist for supporting the BPN?
I know Wikipedia isn’t the best way to start…but here you go. Scroll down to the holocaust denial section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/roots/1998.stm
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Dygboz4Ew
More on his links with terrorism
http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/campainging/NickGriffin.htm
If you support a racist party for whatever reason you are enabling and promoting it. Why would someone who is not racists support a party full of them?
It’s a similar situation to leftists supporting Hezbollah.
Just so it is clear, I judge people on Ideology not their blood.
They aren’t a “whites only” party. They allow anyone to be a member, but on the other hand only “whites” can stand for election on a BNP ticket. On the third hand that definition is rather vague considering they have jewish councillors.
I’d say they’re in a transition away from crude racial politics.
http://bnp.org.uk/category/the-quiet-revolution/
They seem in favor of socialized health care. If they are nationalists and socialists, well, that isn’t good.
I am American I know little of British political parties. Thanks for Answering all.
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They dont. Here’s their membership requirements, this time with the all important third section.
SECTION 2: MEMBERSHIP
1) The British National Party represents the collective National, Environmental, Political, Racial, Folkish, Social, Cultural, Religious and Economic interests of the indigenous Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norse folk communities of Britain and those we regard as closely related and ethnically assimilated or assimilable aboriginal members of the European race also resident in Britain. Membership of the BNP is strictly defined within the terms of, and our members also self define themselves within, the legal ambit of a defined ‘racial group’ this being ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ and defined ‘ethnic groups’ emanating from that Race as specified in law in the House of Lords case of Mandla V Dowell Lee (1983) 1 ALL ER 1062, HL.
2) The indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ consist of members of: i) The Anglo-Saxon Folk Community; ii) The Celtic Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtic Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them.
3) Membership of the party shall be open only to those who are 16 years of age or over and whose ethnic origin is listed within Sub-section 2
The BNP also has Hispanic, Italian, Greek, Black and Indian members now. However this may be a mask. I don’t trust them. The Vlaams Belang is clearly not Racist, Fascist or Nazi. The VB and BNP should not be lumped together. I’ll let the Brits deal wit the BNP. It’s not my concern and I will not ally with them. however, they aren’t my enemy either. it’s more like I don’t care about them.
I’m not sure many at LGF understand the second world war. It was not some crusade against racism. Great Britian fought to preserve democracy and its empire. The british fought as much to keep their African, Asian and other colonies under white supremacy as to defeat facism. The reinvention of the second world war as a war against racism (anti-semitism) only emerged towards the end when the horrors of the concentration and extermination camps became public, while the government kept quite them, so as not to annoy the Arabs in Palestine
Many died so as to defend democracy, so where is the democracy now
People are entitled to their own personal views and for LGF to encourage a witch hunt against BNP supporters, lowers yourself to the worst of their kind.
I’d wager the vast majority of BNP members are just fed up with the immigration/housing/job policies of the this present fascist government
Thought crime and joining legal parties should not mean loss of job or childish or adult witch hunts.
If CJ was really looking for fascist to expose, then he should start looking at groups such as Antifa
Anybody ever seen the movie “Charlie Wilson’s war”? The guy was instrumental in training “freedom fighters” to fight the Soviets who invaded Afghanistan. Yeah they ended up forcing the Soviets to flee…meanwhile he helped arm & train thousands of terrorists and opened the door to the Taliban to butcher the native Afghans years later.
Lesson learned in how to be very careful in who you support in opposing another evil, just could be arming the devil himself.
I saw the movie and read the book (which was, of course, far better), revparadigm.
That was one potential lesson to be taken from it, but another equally valid one is that we can’t just give people weapons, let them win our wars and then walk away, leaving them to clean up the mess. You may recall from the film that Wilson was pushing for a few million dollars (chump change compared to what had already been spent on weapons) to pay for a few schools in Afghanistan.
Had the US helped to develop Afghanistan after the Soviets left, I think it’s reasonable to believe that the Taliban wouldn’t have ousted the governmemt in 1997.
Also, one of the commanders we armed in the ’80’s — Ahmad Shah Massoud, mentioned only breifly in CWW — was a loyal American ally to the end, which, for him came on September 9th, 2001 at the hands of Al Qaeda.
It’s a similar situation to leftists supporting Hezbollah.
Comment by A Rant Supreme Excelled
Well thats what we see when we look a little closer at
Unite Against Fascism is an anti-fascist organisation in the United Kingdom that campaigns against far right-wing and fascist parties and groups in Britain, primarily the British National Party
Its chairman is the former Labour Party Mayor of London, Red Ken Livingstone, (Who was found guilty of bringing his office into disrepute and suspended from office for four weeks, for an anti semetic remark)
Also we should not forget that he he invited the Islamic scholar Yusuf al-Qaradawi to a conference on the wearing of the hijab by female students in July 2004.This is the same al-Qaradawi who supports “female genital mutilation, wife-beating, the execution of homosexuals in Islamic states, the destruction of the Jewish people, the use of suicide bombs against innocent civilians and the blaming of rape victims who do not dress with sufficient modesty”
Its joint secretaryship is shared by Weyman Bennett, the national organiser of the Anti Nazi League and a member of the central committee of the Socialist Workers Party,( Now the socialists have far mire blood on their hands than the Nazis)and Sabby Dhalu, of the National Assembly Against Racism (NAAR).which is strongly supported by Socialist Action, prominent figures in the organisation include Lee Jasper(was voted the 2nd most powerful black man in the New Nation’s Black power list in 2007)This organisation is associated with the Labour Party Black Sections movement and grew out of a break in the Anti-Racist Alliance. Its position is generally that the anti-racist movement should be black-led.
And as for Stop The BNP, what a pathetic joke , lets have a look at the guy behind this joke Gerry Gable is a British Jewish political activist. He was the first editor of the anti-fascist Searchlight magazine
In 1984 Gerry Gable was commissioned by the BBC to produce research for a BBC television program Panorama episode “Maggie’s Militant Tendency”. The episode was to focus on a claim of right-wing extremism in the Conservative Party. Gable claimed that his research drew upon the information previously published in Searchlight Magazine (Searchlight No 130 April 1986, p2). Gable “was the man mainly responsible for the programme” (Daily Telegraph, 13 March 1985) according to the Labour Party MP Mr Robin Corbett.
The claims by Gable that two Conservative party figures, Neil Hamilton and Gerald Howarth, were secret extremist Nazi supporters was met with libel action against the BBC. In 1986 the BBC offered the two litigants a settlement out-of-court. The offer was accepted and the settlement amounted to £1 million in cash, paid by the tax payer from the BBC license fee
Call the BNP racist or what ever you like, but they are not traitors, treaso is one of the most heinous of crimes, which many who oppose the BNP are guilty of.
The BNP really is a fascist organization.
CJ sees the BNP in everything.
Like I said I have no beef with the BNP. They are not my enemy, but I am bothered by some of their ideology. It’s the problem for UK not me. However I can see why people join them. The Islamists are taking over and neither the Tories or Labor are doing anything.
Rodan, I totally agree with your comment #15. I like the BNP’s stance against immigration and Islamization, but I really don’t like their whites-only policy and residual anti-Semitism. I think they’re moving in the right direction though, towards becoming a modern conservative nationalist party like the VB. By that I mean being a pro-American, pro-Israeli free enterprise party open to patriots of all races and religions, but remainining staunchly opposed to mass immigration and the encroachment of Islam in the public square.
For the LGF morons who insist that the VB are racists, here is a picture of one of the VB’s rising stars, district leader Pieter Van Boxel.
http://groups.msn.com/pietervanboxel
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7736405.stm I have the list of the members. Are they really fascist? Should I post them?
avideditor, you want to post a list of 12,000 BNP members? LOL. I think that would be illegal, in Britain anyway. The people who originally posted this list are immoral bastards of the lowest order in my opinion. They’ve already succeeded in getting people fired from their jobs and threatened with death for belonging to a perfectly legal political party, whatever else we might think about it. The Biggest Pro-Censorship Ass-Hat of 2008 ™ might applaud this, but I certainly wouldn’t.
BTW did you see this takedown of LGF over at Gates of Vienna?
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/11/concerning-filip-dewinters-letter-to.html
Jeppo, I have the list if I think the BPN is Nazi i would publish it not here but somewhere. I do not live in the UK and I do not plan on visiting anytime soon so I am free to publish it. Many jihadi groups are legal in the UK it does not mean I agree with them and I would gladly publish the list of there members. The only thing that is stopping me is the fact I am not sure if the BPN is fascist. Stormfront stole a post from this blog and linked back. I wanted to get back at the Nazis. But I am unsure that the BPN is a nazi party.
BNP is not a neo-Nazi party. I think it may be fair to call them racists and anti-Semites, but it’s totally unfair to compare them to jihadis. Jihadis are violent terrorists who want to overthrow the democratic order in the West and impose a Caliphate under Sharia law. The BNP, as far as I know, doesn’t support violence or the imposition of a dictatorship. And remember, this party list contains the names of ordinary people who may not have a racist or anti-Semitic bone in their bodies, but have legitimate concerns that mass immigration, political correctness and Islamization are ruining their nation. My advice: Don’t publish the list.
How is the BNP racist and anti-Semitic? Do not worry. Despite having the list, I do not think I am going to publish it
I knew a BNP member a few years ago. I met him in a forum of people concerned about the Islamization of the UK. He never said or did anything that would indicate to me he was in any way racist or fascist. From what I saw with him, they are very anti-immigration and they are strong on British pride. But never mentioned a preference for any particular race, religion (other than being against Islam), or culture. That fact I supported Britain and hated to see the UK falling apart with PC multiculturalism was enough for him to become my friend.
We’ve lost touch since then, but it left me a positive impression of BNP. And I have yet to see anything besides innuendos and unproven accusations to change my mind. I could be wrong, but I’d like to see some evidence before I convict them.
Comment by avideditor
How is the BNP racist and anti-Semitic? Do not worry. Despite having the list, I do not think I am going to publish it
It is disturbing that the thought even came into your head, especially from you you has been around for a while now, if you are the same avideditor who used to visit my blog “P.I.G to Islam”
The BNP are a legal political party, that unfortunately has a very murky history, but every mainstream party in Europe are far from being clean, one glaring example being Churchill who in the 1950,s was calling Keep Britain White, and this was only a few years after “Exodus” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_(ship)
Now the publishing the list is very despicable which stinks of Nazism/Stalinism. It creates a situation where people are going to lose their livelihood, or are now at a great risk of being attacked, by such group as Antifa.
There has already been one suspected firebombing.
There has already been several people dismissed from there employment.
There are veiled threats of violence in the national media
Such as Brian Reade of the Daily Mail In his article he is actually inciting Black people and Asians to attack BNP members!
“Let’s hope black radical groups don’t get hold of those BNP members’ details”
By Brian Reade 20/11/2008
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/columnists/reade/2008/11/20/let-s-hope-black-radical-groups-don-t-get-hold-of-those-bnp-members-details-115875-20909334/
Then there is this porkie to be found on the Red Fascist Media
“Even more good news, following my post earlier it seems that little pixies visited Ray’s wifes place of business (a seedy shoe shop) and painted the windows to let everybody know what her husband is involved with. As you can see form the picture here it was quite artistic”
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/11/413257.html
Too be quite truthful, I am getting disgusted at a large portion of the so called anti-jihad movement, they are quite happy sitting on their fat arses behind their computers moralizing as to how to fight islam and preaching to the already converted, when many of the BNP supporters are on the streets with the message
How many of you key board anti-jihadis have the balls like Jewish councillor, Pat Richardson, who has stated that she was in the BNP “because no one else speaks out against the Islamification of our country”, and is not afraid to get on the streets to canvass for the BNP and their anti islamic agenda.
Good on Pat Richardson, she has courage, more than can be said of the treasonous Rabbis and capos who have got their snouts in the trough, noshing alongside the islamists and treacherous socialist politicians
How many of you balless anti-jihadis have the guts to go handing out perfectly legal leaflets in heavily moslem dominated areas.
Four BNP activists from Blackburn were interviewed by police yesterday over perfectly legal leaflets after ‘internal pressure from the Muslim Police Association’ a senior police source has said.
Brian Parker, Robin Evans, Tony Bamber and Lee Karner — all hardworking BNP activists, were detained by police in Gestapo-like dawn raids yesterday, and taken to Burnley police station for ‘interviews under caution.’ They were released at 5pm yesterday and unconditionally bailed until February next year.
The leaflets which sparked off the detentions were a local one linking Muslim gangs to the heroin trade.
http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/storage/BNP%20heroin%20leaflet.jpg
Please note, that many of the BNP activist are not hiding behind nick names.
Just now I could not care a fook whether they are racist or not, they have the balls to get on the streets fighting islamization and a fascist government, they are the real anti-jihadis, not like all the key board artistes who bounce around all the echoes chambers of the anti-jihad blogshere.
If there where more people like the BNP supporters, who are actively spreading the anti jihad message on the streets, instead of all the thousands of bloggers who strive to ride the moral hobby horse, then more people would be aware of the dangers of islam.
This war is going to won by the bloggers alone, it s the likes of BNP who are bringing the message to people who never get on the internet, let alone go to an anti-jihad site
In one day the BNP can hand out several tens of thousands leaflets such as this.
http://bnp.org.uk/files/2008/11/national-islam-leaflet.jpg
Now compare that to the amount daly visitors to JW, or even this site.
It is time to look at the positive work that the BNP are doing.
Comment by avideditor
How is the BNP racist and anti-Semitic? Do not worry. Despite having the list, I do not think I am going to publish it
It is disturbing that the thought even came into your head, especially from you you has been around for a while now, if you are the same avideditor who used to visit my blog “P.I.G to Islam”
The BNP are a legal political party, that unfortunately has a very murky history, but every mainstream party in Europe are far from being clean, one glaring example being Churchill who in the 1950,s was calling Keep Britain White, and this was only a few years after “Exodus” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_(ship)
Now the publishing the list is very despicable which stinks of Nazism/Stalinism. It creates a situation where people are going to lose their livelihood, or are now at a great risk of being attacked, by such group as Antifa.
There has already been one suspected firebombing.
There has already been several people dismissed from there employment.
There are veiled threats of violence in the national media
Such as Brian Reade of the Daily Mail In his article he is actually inciting Black people and Asians to attack BNP members!
“Let’s hope black radical groups don’t get hold of those BNP members’ details”
By Brian Reade 20/11/2008
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/columnists/reade/2008/11/20/let-s-hope-black-radical-groups-don-t-get-hold-of-those-bnp-members-details-115875-20909334/
Then there is this porkie to be found on the Red Fascist Media
“Even more good news, following my post earlier it seems that little pixies visited Ray’s wifes place of business (a seedy shoe shop) and painted the windows to let everybody know what her husband is involved with. As you can see form the picture here it was quite artistic”
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/11/413257.html
Too be quite truthful, I am getting disgusted at a large portion of the so called anti-jihad movement, they are quite happy sitting on their fat arses behind their computers moralizing as to how to fight islam and preaching to the already converted, when many of the BNP supporters are on the streets with the message
How many of you key board anti-jihadis have the balls like Jewish councillor, Pat Richardson, who has stated that she was in the BNP “because no one else speaks out against the Islamification of our country”, and is not afraid to get on the streets to canvass for the BNP and their anti islamic agenda.
Good on Pat Richardson, she has courage, more than can be said of the treasonous Rabbis and capos who have got their snouts in the trough, noshing alongside the islamists and treacherous socialist politicians
How many of you balless anti-jihadis have the guts to go handing out perfectly legal leaflets in heavily moslem dominated areas.
Four BNP activists from Blackburn were interviewed by police yesterday over perfectly legal leaflets after ‘internal pressure from the Muslim Police Association’ a senior police source has said.
Brian Parker, Robin Evans, Tony Bamber and Lee Karner — all hardworking BNP activists, were detained by police in Gestapo-like dawn raids yesterday, and taken to Burnley police station for ‘interviews under caution.’ They were released at 5pm yesterday and unconditionally bailed until February next year.
The leaflets which sparked off the detentions were a local one linking Muslim gangs to the heroin trade.
http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/storage/BNP%20heroin%20leaflet.jpg
Please note, that many of the BNP activist are not hiding behind nick names.
Just now I could not care a fook whether they are racist or not, they have the balls to get on the streets fighting islamization and a fascist government, they are the real anti-jihadis, not like all the key board artistes who bounce around all the echoes chambers of the anti-jihad blogshere.
If there where more people like the BNP supporters, who are actively spreading the anti jihad message on the streets, instead of all the thousands of bloggers who strive to ride the moral hobby horse, then more people would be aware of the dangers of islam.
This war is going to won by the bloggers alone, it s the likes of BNP who are bringing the message to people who never get on the internet, let alone go to an anti-jihad site
In one day the BNP can hand out several tens of thousands leaflets such as this.
http://bnp.org.uk/files/2008/11/national-islam-leaflet.jpg
Now compare that to the amount daly visitors to JW, or even this site.
It is time to look at the positive work that the BNP are doing.
Shiva, looks like your post (#29) showed up after all. I bet the reason it did not is because you had more than one link in it.
“It is time to look at the positive work that the BNP are doing.”
While you’re at it why don’t you compliment Hitler on all the good work he did…the Autobahns the VW Beatle…I mean he wasn’t all that bad was he? (SARCASM).
Listen the BNP are racist party, firmly rooted in its neo-Nazi background. They need to be ignored.
PS Don’t publish the list. It has the names and addresses of kids on there. Despite their odious politics and despite the left having a field day the right to privacy is paramount over political point scoring.
A Rant Supreme Excelled
Listen the BNP are racist party, firmly rooted in its neo-Nazi background. They need to be ignored.
Is that all you can come with
How about looking into the backgroud of the socialists that are infesting the government and the anti Fascist movement
But first I shall remind you that The German Nazis murdered 19,000,000 million people, where only 6,000,000 where Jews. So the second world war was not about anti-semitism, but about democracy.
If the West was so concerned with anti-semitism, why did they align with Stalin.
In the mid-1930s, during Stalin’s first campaign of purges. Jewish leaders were arrested and executed, and Yiddish schools were shut down.
By the summer of 1938, Stalin and his circle realized that the purges had gone too far. On November 17, 1938 a joint decree of Sovnarkom USSR and Central Committee of VKP(b) (Decree about Arrests, Prosecutor Supervision and Course of Investigation) and the subsequent order of NKVD undersigned by Beria cancelled most of the NKVD orders of systematic repression and suspended implementation of death sentences. The decree signaled the end of massive Soviet purges.
Nevertheless, the practice of mass arrest and exile was continued until Stalin’s death in 1953. Political executions also continued, but, with the exception of Katyn and other NKVD massacres during WWII, on a vastly smaller scale. One notorious example is the “Night of the Murdered Poets,” in which at least thirteen prominent Yiddish writers were executed on August 12, 1952.
It should be noted that when the relatives of those who had been executed in 1937-38 inquired about their fate, they were told by NKVD that their arrested relatives had been sentenced to “ten years of imprisonment without the right to correspond with anybody” (десять лет без права переписки). When these ten year periods elapsed in 1947-48 but the arrested did not appear, the relatives asked MGB about their fate again and this time were told that the arrested died in imprisonment. The causes and the dates of the deaths were invented by MGB.
The Night of the Murdered Poets which refers to the night of 12 to 13 August 1952, when thirteen of the most prominent Yiddish writers, poets, artists, musicians and actors of the Soviet Union were secretly executed on the orders from Joseph Stalin in the basement of the Lubyanka prison in Moscow. Ten “engineer saboteurs” from the Stalin automobile factory, all Jewish, were also executed the same night.
So what about skum like socialist Ken Livingstone or Gerry Gable who are so active against the BNP
Can we trust them, no, they are using the German holocaust to further their own agenda, while keeping quite about the socialist/Stalin holocaust wich lasted longer than the German Holocaust.
What we see today is a party that once had its roots neo-nazism, trying to move away from its murky past, and opposing its former Allie “Muslims” yet we see the murderous socalists aligning with muslims
So the question arises, who are the real anti-semitists
I am more afraid of the socialist/muslim pact than the BNP.
“I am more afraid of the socialist/muslim pact than the BNP.”
Fine, but the post wasnt about others. Avideditor wanted to know whether the BNP were a fascist party. I simply pointed out that they are a racist party with clear neo-Nazi roots and a convicted holocaust denier as leader.
Can you deny any of that?
Whether the socialists are worse was never part of the argument.
Hey Shiva and Infidelk9,
I was a big fan of your blog before it was banned. Welcome to LGF2. I did post some comments on your blog. Stormfront did link to this blog and stole a post. I can include a link if you want. I hate nazis and I will probably email the link to you tomorrow. I just asked a question about BNP. I think it is important for the anti Jihadi movement to go after people based on the ideology not their race. The list of BNP members has not yet been published by me. The list I have has comments that points out info on the BNP leaders. But I have yet to publish it. I think going after people race instead of ideology bring the movement backwards. I am not British and I know very little on the BNP. Is the BNP racist now?
Avid Editor
PS The spam filter catches any comments with more then one links. I would post the comment link free and I will see if I can go through the spam and free up any comments with links. I am one of many admins so I can not promise that all the admins will. We do not moderate comments here. But we will do our best to recover any comments with links that where caught by our spam filter.
I think Stalin killed more Jews than the Nazis.
I think Shiva makes some excellent points about the BNP: They are the only ones with the balls to publicly fight against the Islamization of Britain, period. Whatever other differences I might have with their policy positions, they’re out on the streets risking their necks–literally–while I’m merely typing on a keyboard from the safety of my home. To anyone adamantly opposed to the BNP, ask yourselves just what are the other political parties doing to stop the Islamic immigration invasion and conquest of Britain? The answer is absolutely nothing, rather they are facilitating it. Patriotic Brits should support the BNP and work from within to try to moderate its policies vis-a-vis race.
IS the BNP is the only political party taking on the Jiahdis in England?
Avid,
Yes the bNP is the only ones taking on eth Jihadis in the UK. Both Labor and the Tories are Pro-Islamic Immigration. That’s why people are turning to the BNP. Again I am not stating support for them. I am just stating why they are growing.
Doesn’t the UK like most of Europe have more then two political parties?
Avid,
the problem is except for the BNP the 3 major parties in the UK: Labor, Tory and Liberal Democrats all support Islamic Immigration. That is the issue here. This has given the BNP an opening. If a reasonable anti-Islamic party were created people would flock to it.
Answering A Rant Supreme Excelled
Fine, but the post wasnt about others. Avideditor wanted to know whether the BNP were a fascist party. I simply pointed out that they are a racist party with clear neo-Nazi roots and a convicted holocaust denier as leader.
Can you deny any of that?
I have not denied that they have neo-nazi roots
Whether the socialists are worse was never part of the argument.
I am just putting things into perspective, which many avoid doing, and should be done, as it is for the socialist we see who are making the loudest noises about the BNP.
I do not mind admitting to be very anti-Israeli, but this goes back to ten years ago, my stance slowly changed the more I learn about islam. So I am of the opinion if I can change, then I can see the see no reason why Nick Griffin cannot do likewise.
Yes I am willing to give him/BNP the benefit of the doubt, much in the same way as many give to Walid Shoebat, Kamal Saleem or Zachariah Anani.
All 3 major parties in the UK: Labor, Tory and Liberal Democrats have a documemted history of anti-semitism, so it is hypocritical to single out the BNP on this issue. In fact all this parties are supporting islam, which in my eyes is the worst form of anti-semitism.
The BNP are not racist as there is government legislation in place to allow groups to have a colour bar, otherwise we wouldnt have these black/asian associations. So the BNP are within a legal frame work, and have no objection to work with coloured/asian groups WHO ARE WORKING IN THE INTEREST OF BRITAIN..
Their is no legal barrier for the likes of Dr Michael Nazir-Ali,The Bishop of Rochester, to form an all black/asian (excluding moslems) party, and many from BNP would have no problem.I have no problem with bishop Michael, but his white boss the current archbishop Rowan Williams, should be hung for treason.
Does the BNP attack Jihadis bases on race or ideology?
Since before 9/11 they have been attacking
Interesting to note, part of the film that the prosecution where using was filmed at Keigley, Where Nick Griffin was addressing the problem of muslims grooming schoolgirls for sex, nobody else was doing anything about it, and the police where keeping the lid on so as not create racial disturbances.
What was interesting called islam evil, and in court he used the koran as his defence.
Another thing that was interesting,in the film he quoted that there will be a major terror attack, and the terrorist will most probably come from Leeds, and this was nearly one year before the attack
The BNP wants to abolish islam in Britain
They want all illegal immigrants out, regardless of colour
They propose zero tolerance to immigrants regardless of colour who only come for social benefits and do not wish to work
They also propose zero tolerance to immigrants regardless of colour criminals
So to answer your question, the are attacking islam
It is the red fascist anti-racists who are so fooked up and ignorant about islam, that they think islam is a race.
Ironical that the anti-fascists are joining hands with the islamist
Ironical that the anti-nazi are supporting the Palestinians
I am an anti-Nazi and I support Israel. I think the jihadis can be destroyed with out becoming a Nazi. I hate Nazis and the Jihadis. Both are evil IMHO.
If you noticed I have not called the BPN nazis. I do not think they are. If some one has some good evidence, I am opened to it.
“Since before 9/11 they have been attacking”
An amazing claim considering Griffin went to Gaddafi with a begging bowl and sold Libyan propaganda for a while (When they were in their anti-American period).
That’s the problem with the BNP, whatever’s fashionable they’ll change chameleon like to jump on the bandwagon. One year it’s the Jews, then it’s the afro-carribeans, then it’s the Americans, then it’s the Muslims….Freemasons or Scientologists next?
The list that was publicised has thrown up some juicy bits though. For a party that stands for the death penalty of child abuse there’s quite a few convicted paedophiles on there.
A Rant Supreme Excelled
Nick Griffin even visited Tripoli in 1988 at Colonel Gaddafi’s expense
to seek funding from the Libyan regime.
YEAH
That was 20 odd years ago
Now why would Gaddifi invite and pay for Griffin to go to Libya, you answer that
Could the answer be, that Griffin was not going to play Gaddifi,s fiddle, as we all know that Gaddafi was fond of funding a lot of extremist, such as the IRA PLO and Baader Meinhof
And we all know how good a muslim Gaddafi is, remember how he was conspiring to assinate some of the Suadi royals
So you claim BNP are racist MY MY
Funny that racist would accept an invitation from an Arab
A Rant Supreme Excelled
One year it’s the Jews, then it’s the afro-carribeans, then it’s the Americans, then it’s the Muslims….Freemasons or Scientologists next
Well they have been pretty consistent since before 9/11
HERE IS A TO A POSTER DATING BACK BEFORE THAT BLACK DAY
http://www.inminds.co.uk/bnp-islam-poster.gif
A Rant Supreme Excelled
The list that was publicised has thrown up some juicy bits though. For a party that stands for the death penalty of child abuse there’s quite a few convicted pedophiles on there.
WHAT A DISGUSTING PIECE OF SHIT YOU ARE
That list contained detail of a lot of hard working and honest people of all professions, it had details of ex sevice men and pensioners, tese peole are now exposed to attacks from knuckle dragging facists from antifa, and muslims.
I do not have any objections to pedophiles being exposed, yet you failed to throw us any juicy bits (convicted pedophiles), f there are any on the list, or just more fascist BS from your mind,
so here we go
Lets start with the juiciest first
The brother of Home Secretary Jack Straw has been found guilty of an indecent assault on a 16-year-old girl.
William Straw, 47, of Bramcote in Nottingham, will be placed on the sex offenders’ register for the next five years.
Straw had denied the charge at Nottingham Magistrates’ Court.
Former Tory Party councillor (Bradford, Yorkshire) Jim Merrick received a 9-month jail sentence (suspended) and placed on the SexOffenders’ Register for 10 years in 2001 after being convicted of multiple sex attacks on little girls between the ages of 9 and 12. The 69-year-old Tory nonce had lured as many as 13 youngsters (although convicted on only 2 of them) into his home before giving them various treats and plying them with alcohol. The court heard that Merrick would then get the girls to shower in front of him so that he could ‘inspect’ them.
Tory Party Councillor (Blandford, North Dorset) Mike Oram was convicted on child pornography charges in 2004. Although he eventually resigned, the Conservative Party were (according to Oram himself) apparently reluctant to sack him and be forced to call a losable by-election for North Dorset District Council, where the Tories have a wafer-thin majority. The desperate and dying modern day Tories would seemingly rather have a convicted paedophile represent the people of Dorset than risk loosening their slender grasp upon local power.
Tory Party Councillor (Westbury, Wiltshire) Christine Sheppard was issued with a police warning in 2005 for harassment. Following a trivial dispute about a neighbour’s son bouncing a ball near to her car, Councillor Sheppard forged her neighbour’s signature in order have a deluge of hardcore porn and sex toys delivered to their house for six months. Despite the scandal she was allowed to remain as a councillor. Sheppard’s victim, Theresa Horsley, said: “When the brochures first came through the letter box we were shocked, then absolutely disgusted. I felt violated. This stuff was coming into our house, a place which is supposed to be our sanctuary. I have young children who enjoy opening the post. We just can’t believe that somebody with her responsibility could have such low morals”
Tory Councillor (Felixstowe, Suffolk) David Smith accepted a police caution for downloading child pornography in 2004. Placed on the Sex Offenders’ Register for 5 years.
Former Tory Councillor (Doncaster, Yorkshire) Louise Burrows was convicted of assaulting 3 young children (2 boys and a girl) with a whip in 2002. Sentenced to a 6-month community rehabilitation order and ordered to pay compensation to her victims. After the case, Borrows applied to join Doncaster Labour Party.
A WORTHING councillor has been charged with indecently assaulting a boy under the age of 14. Mark McCarthy, 36, of Offington Drive, has been charged with two counts of indecent assault on a boy aged under 14 between February 27, 2002, and December 31, 2002.
Former Tory Party councillor (Bradford, Yorkshire) Jim Merrick received a 9-month jail sentence (suspended) and placed on the SexOffenders’ Register for 10 years in 2001 after being convicted of multiple sex attacks on little girls between the ages of 9 and 12. The 69-year-old Tory nonce had lured as many as 13 youngsters (although convicted on only 2 of them) into his home before giving them various treats and plying them with alcohol. The court heard that Merrick would then get the girls to shower in front of him so that he could ‘inspect’ them.
Councillor Peter O’Brian, 46, formally of Drakes Way, Hatfield, was SPARED JAIL and given a three-year community order at Cheshunt Magistrates’ Court and is attending rehabilitation for his sick addiction. The ex-councillor pleaded guilty to 11 counts of making indecent images of children and two counts of possessing indecent images of children
A FORMER Mayor of Hebden Royd has been arrested on suspicion of child porn offences.
Stewart Brown, 59, was a Labour candidate for the Elland ward in next month’s council elections.But he has now been suspended from the Labour Party. Officers from the West Yorkshire Police Child Protection Unit arrested Mr Brown on Tuesday. He was questioned by detectives before he was bailed, pending further investigation.
A FORMER Mayor of Hebden Royd has been arrested on suspicion of child porn offences.
Stewart Brown, 59, was a Labour candidate for the Elland ward in next month’s council elections.But he has now been suspended from the Labour Party. Officers from the West Yorkshire Police Child Protection Unit arrested Mr Brown on Tuesday. He was questioned by detectives before he was bailed, pending further investigation.
A FORMER royal butler has been charged with 18 sex offences against boys.
Paul Kidd, of Grasscroft Road, Stalybridge, has been accused of rape, indecent assault and sexual assault.
He appeared before Tameside Magistrates yesterday and was remanded in custody, but will making an application for bail tomorrow.
Kidd, 54, stood for election as a UK Independent Party candidate in Dukinfield and Stalybridge last year and received 283 votes – 9.7 per cent.
Some of the alleged offences go back three decades but others are recent.
Statement
A Tory politician has lost his job and could be kicked out of the party after admitting five sex offences involving three girls, one of them being a charge of rape.
Stephen Mullins, 52, formerly of Links Avenue, Hellesdon, has been a member of Norwich North Conservative Association (NNCA) for about two years and a Hellesdon parish councillor for about the same time.
Mullins, who worked as head chef in the kitchen of the Bull pub in Reepham Road, Hellesdon for 17 years until April this year, appeared at Norwich Crown Court.
He admitted two offences of indecent assault against one girl under 14, between August 22, 1999 and August 21, 2000, and between August 22, 2000 and August 21, 2002. He also admitted rape involving the same girl between August 22, 1999 and August 21, 2002.
He also admitted sexual assault by penetration on April 3, 2008 on another girl aged 14 and assault by penetration on April 14, 2008 on another young girl.
“Funny that racist would accept an invitation from an Arab”
They are racist against those who live in Britain, not those overseas. See their manifesto. If Griffin would play along with Gadaffi why was he selling Libyan propaganda through the BNP shop?
Nothing came of it because Gaddafi saw Griffin for what he was….a chancer.
As for the paedophile thing you should read the news.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/81940/Evil-paedos-are-secret-BNP-thugs.html
Answering Comment by A Rant Supreme Excelled
They are racist against those who live in Britain, not those overseas. See their manifesto.
I don,t see any thing racist in there manifesto. If there was, why are they being prosecuted.
If you are so damned sensitive about racism, why arent you also whining about
National Black Police Association
Metropolitan Black Police Association
National Association of Nigerian Communities – UK (NANC)
Barnsley Black and Ethic Minority Initiative
Have you noticed how the media NEVER calls any of these organisations “racist” even though they are openly organised along ethnic lines and stand for the rights of their respective communities?
It seems as if every group has the right to have an organisation speaking up for its rights – EXCEPT the indigenous British people.
In reality, none of these organisations are “racist” — each and every community has the inalienable right to look after its own interests.
This includes the indigenous British folk, and the BNP is proud to be the party which stands up for the rights our folk and country, in exactly the same way that all of the above organisations stand up for their folk.
Answering Comment by A Rant Supreme Excelled
If Griffin would play along with Gadaffi why was he selling Libyan propaganda through the BNP shop
If Gadaffi dumped onto you 5000 of his little book unto you, would you not try to sell them off and make a quick buck.
Answering Comment by A Rant Supreme Excelled
Nothing came of it because Gaddafi saw Griffin for what he was….a chancer
At the time Griffin went to Libya, gadaffi was very interested in enrolling both left and right wing extremists under the banner of a revolutionary creed he called Islamic Socialism, used his country’s oil wealth to back a host of revolutionary causes all around the globe. These included: the IRA, the Japanese Red Army, the Basque separatists ETA, the Baader-Meinhof Gang, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front in the Philippines, Kurdish separatists, the Black Panthers, and the Nation of Islam. He reportedly financed the Black September Movement’s massacre at the 1972 Munich Summer Olympics and was said to have bankrolled Carlos the Jackal. There were even claims that during the 1984 miners’ strike he Under the banner of a revolutionary creed he called Islamic Socialism, the Libyan leader forged an alliance with the Soviet Union – becoming the first leader outside the Soviet bloc to receive the supersonic MiG-25 combat fighters – and used his country’s oil wealth to back a host of revolutionary causes all around the globe. These included: the IRA, the Japanese Red Army, the Basque separatists ETA,the PLFN, the Baader-Meinhof Gang, the Moro Islamic Liberation Front in the Philippines, Kurdish separatists, the Black Panthers, and the Nation of Islam. He reportedly financed the Black September Movement’s massacre at the 1972 Munich Summer Olympics and was said to have bankrolled Carlos the Jackal. There were even claims that during the 1984 miners’ strike he funded Arthur Scargill.
Now it seems that you are not so well imformed with your red fascist propaganda, But according to Gerry Gable,s (found guilty for libel see Private Eye)Searchlight. Gadaffi did not fund the NF, because German nazi killed many Libyans during WW11.
The truth is nobody knows the truth why Gadaffi did not give any funding to The National Front, so we are only left to speculate. But if you look at all the groups that Gadaffi funded, you will notice they are all far left, so it seems Gadaffi invited Griffen without having fore hand knowledge that he was far right.
Answering Comment by A Rant Supreme Excelled
You are pathetic linking to the News of the World
As I have said before, I have no problems with pedos being exposed because these people are sicko’s..but there are pervs and pedo’s in every political party?
Yet you cannot blame the parties, because pervs and pedo’s do not go around advertizing what they are
But I personally think you are a very dangerous and evil peice of shit if you think that a list such as the BNP,s was ok to be released.
The BNP are very active against islam, and for information such as can be found on the list exposes people to some very grave danger from islamists And I think many here many will agree with me.
You are a traitor
Who is a traitor in your eyes Shiva?:
Comment by avideditor
Who is a traitor in your eyes Shiva?:
My comment was not directed at you because of your above inquiries about releasing the list. After you read a few replies you made the right decision, so, considering you are not British I can understand why you asked if it was the right thing to do, also you are seeking more info about BNP, which clearly indicates you do know very much about the situation, you have an inquiring mind, and that is a good indication you have a healthy mind, not like we see from likes of LGF who follow King Lizard and his leftard soaked brain.
King lizard is not a thinker, and everything he has featured at the echo chamber is the work of others, which he takes credit for. This glaringly obvious in his exposure of the European Far Right, he has relied on translation of the material coming out of Belgium and Sweden. I can read Swedish perfectly, and can see that the translations where incorrect, or they where from the leftist Expo.
Now
My accusation is directed at A Rant Supreme Excelled.
He apparently seems to have not any objections to the list being published, and on that list there are many British anti-islamists activists.
The publishing of the list is an attack not only on the BNP, but also on the anti-jihad movement. I do not have the link just now, but at Indymedia there is some who is rejoicing that the list has been zipped and sent to all the mosques in the UK, this is the equivalent to some one the USA publishing the details of the directors and commentators at Jihad Watch, or the details of every one on this blog.
With the exposure of this list things have become far more dangerous.
The question is would A Rant Supreme Excelled like to have his identity exposed, and if he by any chance happenS to be British, would he enjoy ending up on “Red Watch”.
So I will say it again. You, “A Rant Supreme Excelled” are a very dangerous person, and you are a traitor.
Correctin
indicates you do not know very much about the situation
Thanks for clarifying Shiva. i really do not know enough about the BPN. I am not British, so I probably does not mater. I do have a list of many BPN members with there positions but after learning more about the BPN I chose not to publish it. I saw the indymedia post about the list it was disgusting IMHO. Charles is a pro-censorship Fascist IMHO. I just wanted to see if he was right about the BPN. BTW he was not IMHO.
“If you are so damned sensitive about racism, why arent you also whining about
National Black Police Association
Metropolitan Black Police Association
National Association of Nigerian Communities – UK (NANC)
Barnsley Black and Ethic Minority Initiative”
Do your homework, anyone black, white or asian can join those organisations. They operate within the law. The BNP exclude anyone who doesn’t comply with this:
Here’s their membership requirements, this time with the all important third section.
SECTION 2: MEMBERSHIP
1) The British National Party represents the collective National, Environmental, Political, Racial, Folkish, Social, Cultural, Religious and Economic interests of the indigenous Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norse folk communities of Britain and those we regard as closely related and ethnically assimilated or assimilable aboriginal members of the European race also resident in Britain. Membership of the BNP is strictly defined within the terms of, and our members also self define themselves within, the legal ambit of a defined ‘racial group’ this being ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ and defined ‘ethnic groups’ emanating from that Race as specified in law in the House of Lords case of Mandla V Dowell Lee (1983) 1 ALL ER 1062, HL.
2) The indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ consist of members of: i) The Anglo-Saxon Folk Community; ii) The Celtic Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtic Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them.
3) Membership of the party shall be open only to those who are 16 years of age or over and whose ethnic origin is listed within Sub-section 2
“You are pathetic linking to the News of the World”
So were they wrong that these men were convicted paedophiles? It was reported in other media as well. Don’t shoot the messenger.
“As I have said before, I have no problems with pedos being exposed because these people are sicko’s..but there are pervs and pedo’s in every political party?”
There are paedo’s in every party….but when you stand on such a high moral platform (the death penalty) clearing the scum out of your own party should be a priority.
“He apparently seems to have not any objections to the list being published”
Well you obviously missed the post earlier where I asked avideditor not to post it.
“So I will say it again. You, “A Rant Supreme Excelled” are a very dangerous person, and you are a traitor.”
You are an idiot. Full stop. I am not a traitor because I owe absolutely no authority to the BNP. They are an organisation of racists, fascist authoritarians. They are an affront to conservative values.
You seem to be of the opinion that because they are anti-Islam that makes them ok, well if you want to support a fascist based group merely on that basis maybe it is you who is the traitor
PS If you think the current focus on ‘anti-Jihad’ has changed the BNP’s barely concealed Jew hatred this may open some people’s eyes (although I doubt Shiva would care)
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3047201/reverting-to-type.thtml
Hey Shiva and “A Rant Supreme Excelled” stop it with the personal attacks please. I just want some info on the BPN. This is what I got so far. Like most political parties they have some politicians that are pedophiles. Comparing the VB to the BPN is wrong in the fact that the VB is not like the BPN. Some of its members are nazis but the organization despite being racist is not fascist. The BPN is anti-Islam and is doing good work in preventing its spread. THe leader meet with Gadaffi when he was funding jihadis and leftist but the BPN received no funding by him. I should not publish the list of its members and leaders email and addresses. Did I get everything right?
Shiva ran one of my favorite blogs before Google took it down. I think it should go back up but I do not want Shiva to go to jail. But please do not throw around personal insults. I was just curious about the BPN and someone emailed the list to me. As you noticed I did not take part in publishing anything on that list even though I think seeing Gadaffi was a bad move. Gadaffi is the lowest of low IMHO.
“The supposedly more sophisticated British National Party reverted to type last night when it fielded its ‘legal director’ (sic) Lee Barnes to take part in BBC Radio Four’s Moral Maze on which I am a regular panellist. The subject was whether people’s political views should ever disqualify them from a job, an issue that had arisen in the context of the leaking to the press of the BNP’s membership list.
Barnes, who was supposedly there to present the BNP as a mainstream political party, proceeded to behave like a thug. To make the case for BNP members’ right to express themselves, he set out to prevent anyone else from talking; he ranted and raved so badly that it was impossible for the panellists even to finish their questions to him, let alone get a word in edgeways. He also couldn’t stop himself making anti-Jewish remarks. What sent him over the edge altogether was my charge that the BNP stood outside the values of British society in refusing to uphold the right to equality of black or Asian Britons who the BNP does not regard as properly British. How dare I talk about human rights, he screamed, when I was always going on about Zionism and Israel! To which I responded that he clearly didn’t think I was British either, since in a previous exchange he had said I should be deported to Israel.
Now look (if you can stomach it) at how he describes this encounter on his own blog where he claims that it was I who bafflingly introduced the subject of Israel – and also that he had threatened before the show that he would talk over everyone else if they didn’t give him time to answer. It obviously doesn’t occur to him that anyone who heard the show, or listens to it on the Maze website (at least when the replay facility is working again) would know that this account is demonstrably false.
And after all that effort the BNP has made to sanitise itself, too. You’d have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.” From the link that A Rant Supreme Excelled left. I know that most people on here do not like clicking on links so I provided the info here.
Do you think the BPN is anti-Semitic?
avideditor
No body yet has answer your question yet
“Is the BPN Fascist or are just some of its members pro-Nazi?”
Well It is a difficult question,
So I will put it this way, the BNP has a very murky and unsavory past, and it was the party of choice for nazi, this nobody can deny. Also Nick Griffin has not such a clean history. Now since BNP split from the National Front they have attempted to tidy up.We must remember that it is the BNP that is doing the tidy up under the leadership of Griffin. It should be noted that the hard core elements have left or been dismissed, but the left try to discredit them by digging up their past, or making up fairy/scairy stories such as the mythical Column 88.
It is under Griffins leadership, that the BNP are leaving there roots behind, now if griffin was as clean as a whistle the I do not see that it would have been possible for him to take control of the BNP, and to make the reforms necessary for them o be a mainstream party. Griffen had the form and history it takes to become the leader of the pack. Take a look at history Churchill was no less a fascist as griffin.
Q: Is the BPN Fascist?
A: If all the parties where put under the looking glass as the present BNP, we would find that the Lab/Lib/Con are just as guilty of being fascist than the BNP, so on a level playing field the BNP are not fascist
Q: or are just some of its members pro-Nazi?
A: Much to my dismay I have to answer with a loud yes.
Thanks for answering my question Shiva. Did I get everything right in my statement of what I learned in this thread (comment 57) in your view?
Comment by A Rant Supreme Excelled
PS Don’t publish the list. It has the names and addresses of kids on there. Despite their odious politics and despite the left having a field day the right to privacy is paramount over political point scoring.
OOOPs
I did miss that, sorry.
Whether the list contains names of kids is irrelevant,It should never be published.
Oh dear,oh dear it really seems I put my foot in it by declaring you a traitor, but I have no reason to retract, most of your claims are no more than regurgitated red fascist/islamofascist propaganda lifted from libelous sites such as searchlight.
Comment by A Rant Supreme Excelled
You are an idiot. Full stop. I am not a traitor because I owe absolutely no authority to the BNP. They are an organisation of racists, fascist authoritarians. They are an affront to conservative values.
When we look at the political scene in Britain today, I would say the whole pack are an affront to conservative values, and I think there will be a few Tories who would agree with me, after the arrest of Damian Green, yesterday in yet another display of the viciousness of the liberal-fascist state – in spite of the fact that both Conservatives and Labour have had a hand in creating the authoritarian witch-hunt.
A Rant Supreme Excelled
PS If you think the current focus on ‘anti-Jihad’ has changed the BNP’s barely concealed Jew hatred this may open some people’s eyes (although I doubt Shiva would care)
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3047201/reverting-to-type.thtml
There was a time razor blades.
Follow the link we come to Melanie Philips and BBC Radio Four’s Moral Maze where Lee Barnes was invited.
All very good, one may think, the BBC giving air play to BNP, but not so, the BBC goes to any lenght to show BNP in a bad light, so what do they do, they invite Lee Barnes, who is basically a blogger, and threw into the lion’s den against four experienced TV panelists Burke a standard BBC liberal, Phillips the Neo-con with a fanatical hatred of the BNP, Malik the ex-anti Nazi league and commie, Portillo the son of Spanish republican refugees. If the BBC wanted a serious debate, why didnt they Bring in Griffin, or Simon Darcey
The show starts with Michael Burke by roundly insulting all BNP members. Philips started off by saying the are loathsome, Malik said there views were odious.
Philips asked a question and before the Barnes lad got his answer out she was shouting all over the place. In the end Barnes had to keep raising his voice just to get heard.
So why is Philips so uptight, and has gotten her pantaloons into a twist, she is a brilliant anti-jihad commentator, but she is unfortunately a hypocrite, and Barnes quite rightly pointed it out that she condemneds anyone who wants a Britain for the indigenous population, while supporting a homeland exclusively for Jews.
So basically what Barnes is saying is what is good for the Jews is also good for the Brits. Now I ask you is that antisemitism.
Answering avideditor
Do you think the BPN is anti-Semitic?
Ouch
Lets be perfectly honest. The BNP can be seen as being anti-Semitic, because of it,s roots. There are many members and supporter who are working to remove antisemitism out of the BNP. This is being reinforced by people within the BNP who are learning more about Islam, they are beginning to learn that the Jews are not the enemy. It is interesting to see some of the discussions at Stormfront between BNP supporters and the white power nazi,s
What I will say is antisemitism the exclusive property of the BNP
Britain does have a nasty little history of antisemitism
Hows this little gem
It has been the traditional policy of successive British Governments to offer asylum to persons who, for political, racial or religious reasons, have had to leave their own countries…But the United Kingdom is not a country of immigration. It is highly industrialised, fully populated and is still faced with the problem of unemployment. For economic and social reasons, the traditional policy of granting asylum can only be applied within narrow limits…. His Majesty’s Government are also carefully surveying the prospects of the admission of refugees to their colonies and overseas territories. The question is not a simple one…. Many overseas territories are already overcrowded, others are wholly or partly unsuitable for European settlement….No thickly populated country can be expected to accept persons who are deprived of their means of subsistence before they are able to enter it. Nor can the resources of private societies be expected to make good the losses which the emigrants have suffered.
Lord Winterton, The Evian Conference, July 1938
We all know what came next
I am a Jew. I know people that are born Jews run Hollywood. But I think blame Hollywoods liberal agenda on liberalism not on the Jews. The leader of the BPN and others get it wrong IMHO. That is my 2 cents.
Comment by avideditor
I am a Jew.
Yes Avi I already know, Not that you have directly mentioned this in any of your correspondence with me, or comments at my blog.
Before I go on, I would like to same, I am extremely upset about what has just happen in Mumbai. I know what type of people who run the Chabad-Lubavitch missions are. As I used to go with some Israeli friends to their Mission in Bangkok. It was a disgusting attack on some extremely good hearted folk.
I agree with you that many within the BNP do get it wrong concerning the Jews, and this is disturbing, what is even more disturbing is it no tonly confined to the BNP, antisemitism is pretty much well spread out through the whole British spectrum, and it is alarming that it is only the BNP that is being put under the spotlight.
While all the focus is on the BNP, every body overlooks the antisemitism within socialism.
Even though the BNP have tendencies that are anti-Semitic, they happen to be one of the few groups that are not supporting the islamist. As stated before I do conditionally support the BNP, the condition is that follow along the path they have chosen, and that is to rid itself of antisemitism, unfortunately this will be happen over night, due to the fact that antisemitism is deeply embedded in all of the British society, not just the BNP. There are many examples in history, we only have to see how the British behaved in Israel.
Oh yes the British government are hypocrites, while bashing the heads of the Nazis in Gable street, they where giving the one balled dictator and his Pali goon the green card to transport Jews to the Zyclon B chambers
See the statement from the British at the Evian Conference in my last comment.
What is interesting with that statement, is England was full up 80 years ago, when it concerned 500,000 threatened Jews, yet by a stroke of magic, 80 years later, Britain magically emptied so as to have the need of several million hostile muslims
You have already looked at Indymedia, you can see how much they oppose the BNP, Just take a look at there sentiments towards Israel.Any organization that opposes antisemitism should not support Palistine, let alone pump millions of dollars into the curse of Judea and Samaria since הכרזת העצמאות, Hakhrazat HaAtzma’ut .
Now to change a little bit in my I showed little respect towards Melanie Philips, I called her a hypocrite. If she was so concerned about Israel why is she cashing in a nice fat pay check from the pro islamic/anti Israeli BBC.
The NPD of Germany is Nazi right? Here is a link I found at drudge. http://www.javno.com/en/world/clanak.php?id=211826
They said right wing too many times. I think the real nazis are on the left wing or are jihaids. Maybe the NPD is really a right wing Nazi party, I am still much more scared of leftist and Jihadis. Stalin was anything but right wing and I think he killed more jews than Hitler.