Comments on: Charter of Umar (The Pact of Dhimmis) http://www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2008/11/21/charter-of-umar-the-pact-of-dhimmis/ "When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." -Ronald Reagan Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:19:28 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: DJM http://www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2008/11/21/charter-of-umar-the-pact-of-dhimmis/#comment-1351 DJM Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:34:56 +0000 http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com/?p=1523#comment-1351 I agree, Chip "Beagle" - if one violates the pact ("If we in <b>any</b> way..."), the entire pact is forfeit. But notice, this isn't really a pact. A pact implies an agreement benefiting both side. This is submission. The muslims give absolutely nothing except to promise not to physically harm them. If muslims violated this agree, nothing comes of it. Dhimmi must continue to comply if they want to live. Yet if the dhimmis fail their end in "any way", muslims are free to do as they please. It is a protection racket benefiting only one side. I agree, Chip “Beagle” – if one violates the pact (”If we in any way…”), the entire pact is forfeit.

But notice, this isn’t really a pact. A pact implies an agreement benefiting both side. This is submission. The muslims give absolutely nothing except to promise not to physically harm them. If muslims violated this agree, nothing comes of it. Dhimmi must continue to comply if they want to live. Yet if the dhimmis fail their end in “any way”, muslims are free to do as they please.

It is a protection racket benefiting only one side.

]]> By: Chip "Beagle" http://www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2008/11/21/charter-of-umar-the-pact-of-dhimmis/#comment-1350 Chip "Beagle" Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:23:02 +0000 http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com/?p=1523#comment-1350 Protection money is security only in the sense it protects you from your alleged protectors. You might be thinking of godfathers actually helping people with certain problems. That's not protection money. So it is a good analogy. If you don't pay the dhimma, or violate any of its terms, your pact of "security" ends and the Muslims in charge can kill you. But not just you, any non-Muslim living in that area under that dhimma. Protection money is security only in the sense it protects you from your alleged protectors. You might be thinking of godfathers actually helping people with certain problems. That’s not protection money.

So it is a good analogy. If you don’t pay the dhimma, or violate any of its terms, your pact of “security” ends and the Muslims in charge can kill you. But not just you, any non-Muslim living in that area under that dhimma.

]]> By: Rodan http://www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2008/11/21/charter-of-umar-the-pact-of-dhimmis/#comment-1349 Rodan Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:14:03 +0000 http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com/?p=1523#comment-1349 avideditor , No it was after the Jihadi armies defeated the Roman army at Yarmuk. The Romans were made slave in their own land. Avid this was a form of slavery. Chip "Beagle", My girl is a Bosnian Serb, her dad fought AL-Qaeda in the Bosnia in 92-95. I know all about what the Jihadists did. The media lies about the Serbs. I stand by Serbia! avideditor ,
No it was after the Jihadi armies defeated the Roman army at Yarmuk. The Romans were made slave in their own land. Avid this was a form of slavery.

Chip “Beagle”,
My girl is a Bosnian Serb, her dad fought AL-Qaeda in the Bosnia in 92-95. I know all about what the Jihadists did. The media lies about the Serbs. I stand by Serbia!

]]> By: avideditor http://www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2008/11/21/charter-of-umar-the-pact-of-dhimmis/#comment-1348 avideditor Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:13:47 +0000 http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com/?p=1523#comment-1348 In many areas at a earlier time protection money to the mafia was security. I agree with you but I do not think that is the best analogy. In many areas at a earlier time protection money to the mafia was security. I agree with you but I do not think that is the best analogy.

]]> By: Chip "Beagle" http://www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2008/11/21/charter-of-umar-the-pact-of-dhimmis/#comment-1347 Chip "Beagle" Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:58:29 +0000 http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com/?p=1523#comment-1347 Another 'wonderful' and tolerant tradition (many modern professors claim the dhimma exemplifies Islamic tolerance) in fairly recent Islamic history is the janissary (also devshirme or millet) system in Ottoman Turkey. If you wonder how the Serbs got their bad attitude concerning Islam, look no further. If the dhimma is tolerant, Mafia protection money is security. Another ‘wonderful’ and tolerant tradition (many modern professors claim the dhimma exemplifies Islamic tolerance) in fairly recent Islamic history is the janissary (also devshirme or millet) system in Ottoman Turkey. If you wonder how the Serbs got their bad attitude concerning Islam, look no further.

If the dhimma is tolerant, Mafia protection money is security.

]]> By: DJM http://www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2008/11/21/charter-of-umar-the-pact-of-dhimmis/#comment-1346 DJM Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:57:45 +0000 http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com/?p=1523#comment-1346 Avid - That's true! Anything by Robert Spencer is a must read. :) Avid – That’s true!

Anything by Robert Spencer is a must read.
:)

]]> By: avideditor http://www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2008/11/21/charter-of-umar-the-pact-of-dhimmis/#comment-1345 avideditor Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:55:19 +0000 http://lgfsucks.wordpress.com/?p=1523#comment-1345 I think knowing they want to kill me is enough. Spencer's :Islam: What the west needs too know" is also good in my opinion: As a student of history those video are great. Rodan are you saying the pact was a form of "Stealth Jihad" that brought down many countries? I think knowing they want to kill me is enough. Spencer’s :Islam: What the west needs too know” is also good in my opinion: As a student of history those video are great. Rodan are you saying the pact was a form of “Stealth Jihad” that brought down many countries?

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