Killgore posts a Newsweek story about how some fudamentalist Christians believe he’s the Anti-Christ. Killgore goes on to bash Christians.
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Killgore Trout 11/17/2008 7:40:32 pm PST |
can’t believe this is in NewsWeek…..
Is Obama the Antichrist?
Before Christ comes again, those who are saved will ascend to heaven, according to this end-times theology, in a huge, upward whoosh called the Rapture. Strandberg is so certain that the Rapture is coming, he’s bought a number of Internet addresses in addition to RaptureReady: AntiAntichrist, Tribulationus and RaptureMe. In the event that RaptureReady crashes during the apocalypse, anyone who needs an update will, with a simple Google search, be able to get one. Strandberg says Obama probably isn’t the Antichrist, but he’s watching the president-elect carefully. On his Web site, he has something called the Rapture Index, a calculation based on signs and prophecy of the proximity of the end. According to Strandberg, any number over 160 means “fasten your seat belts.” Obama’s win pushed the index to 161.
Who will save us from the wingunts?
Killgore bashes the Christian Right yet again. He’s a bigot and an example of the New Anti Judeo-Christian Order at LGF. He’s Charles’s Rasputin!
Then Diana whom I detest also joined in!
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Dianna 11/17/2008 7:41:45 pm PST |
re: #609 Killgore Trout
I can’t believe this is in NewsWeek…..
Is Obama the Antichrist?Who will save us from the wingunts?
I say the wingnuts and moonbats should unite! If nothing else, we could find all the gibbering in one place.
I have no respect for this clown!
Tags: Killgore Trout, News, Politics
The Christian-bashing at LGF is not only nauseating, but it gets old after awhile.
I would think even the most ardent atheist would get bored out of his or her mind reading Christian- bashing- post after Christian- bashing- post.
I am a Christian, and I believe in Bible prophecy, but for the record, I do NOT believe that Obama is The Anti-Christ.
The Bible actually says that there is more than one anti-Christ, only the book of Revelation pin- points one specific individual who will march against Israel, and it’s that guy who is dubbed ‘THE’ Anti-Christ.
So Obama could be ‘A’ Anti-Christ (I am not sure, since he claims to believe in Jesus, or at least to being a Christian), but I don’t think he’s ‘THE’ Anti-Christ.
Here’s a good post by a Christian guy (David Reagan of Lamb and Lion ministries) about Obama and End Times stuff:
Thoughts About the 2008 Election
If you visit that link above, look at the right-hand column: the Lamb and Lion site and blog also focuses on Islam, terrorism, and they’re very pro-Israel.
About LGF:
Some Jewish people believe in biblical prophecy too, that their Messiah will return one day.
Everytime “Chuckster and Pals” make fun of Christians over Bible prophecy, they’re also insulting some of their Jewish readership, I’m sure.
rainy,
Absolutely! The reason they go after Christians is because its ok to atatck us. If they went afetr Jews, they would be called anti-semitic.
The joke is on them because Christians and Jews have the same prophecies, so by mocking us, they attack Jews too!
I see you guys have changed the theme for this quite a few times lately….
If I might make a suggestion, I’d say that a good one would be Andreas09 in green.
They completely blocked me from even viewing the site after I posted a response to Killgore claiming “Robert Spncer has buddies in VB”. All I said was “Spencer really has ‘buddies’ in VB?, or is this just more unfounded slander?”
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You don’t have permission to access / on this server.
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Thats all I get when trying to view it. Is it possible they completely blocked my ip address? Or is the who website down?
The bible’s anti-Christ is the “King of the North” in the book of Daniel, which means he comes from the area of north of Israel, which is modern day western Turkey…which in turn then was considered part of ancient Greece. Obama might be considered as a candidate for one of the many anti-Christs [plural] that come, but its a real ignorant stretch to claim he is the ultimate man of evil the bible speaks of.
Is the whole website down? I meant…hah
ROFL!!! They did try to ban my ip! I have PPPOE DSL with dynamix ip. All I have to do is reset my DSL modem for a new ip address. After I did this I could access the LGF page again. Hahaah I have gotten Killgore’s goat on that little comment.
dynamic ip I meant [nice typo again]
How exactly does this attack “Christians”? This merely mocks pretribulation dispensationalists, those who believe in the “Rapture” and generally the “Left Behind” fans. Roman Catholics, among others, do not believe in the rapture nor do many mainline Protestant Churches. I see nothing inappropriate in mocking those linking Obama to very shaky barely theology and take no offense as a Christian myself. After all, if one is anti-theocracy in terms of Islam, shouldn’t one feel rather the same about all religions?
Lex
After all, if one is anti-theocracy in terms of Islam, shouldn’t one feel rather the same about all religions?
I would say no, not if one is making the discrimination based upon what each religion teaches.
If the person is just anti-religious all the way around, then yes I would agree because they more likely have based it upon emotion not facts.
Lex said: After all, if one is anti-theocracy in terms of Islam, shouldn’t one feel rather the same about all religions?
I say: I didn’t know that we christians had been pushing for a theocratic government. Why didn’t I get this memo?
insulting and railing against religion is not the same as defending this country against a theocracy.
One is fighting to defend the constitution and all of the freedoms recognized therein. THe other is just being a bigot who dislikes anything that comes from a point of view not your own.
Which one is Killgore showing here?
That’s what I thought.
In todays times and the obvious degradation of societal moral values I don’t think its too far fetched to ask the question. Obama came from nowhere, with a cult like following, with no real experience to win the election.
Based on his beliefs, the secrecy surrounding him, and the situation with Iran and other countries I can see why the AC thing is getting brought up. I hope he is not the AC, but you have to wonder how much longer we can spiral down the moral shit hole.
Lex,
I see your viewpoint. I am Catholic, however I will stand with by Evangelical brothers. Killgore picks on them because it’s an easy target.
The point is Killgore shows disdain for people of faith.
As for Obama being the anti-Christ, He’s too stupid to be it!
I am Jewish and I think Charles new stance is anti-G-d. He attacks all people that believe in G-d the same. I am sorry but only Islam has jihadis. I do not care what you believe in as long as you are not a jihadi. Charles IMHO recently started equating any belief in G-d as dangerous as the Jihadis.
Rodan–you should read Carl Olsen’s “Will Catholics Be ‘Left Behind’”. You might not see such solidarity after that one. Obama “stupid”? Well, we’ll just disagree on this point. Wow.
Avid–I’d love some links on that one, other than his creationism attacks. Is Charles anti-G-d or merely anti-theocracy? If the latter, I’d find myself agreeing finally with the man.
Lex,
I see your point, but if they are attacked I will stand by them the way I satnd with Greek Orthodoxs and jews.
Look we can agree to disagree. This is LGF2, not LGF!
Obama is far from stupid, that is what is kind of frightening. Secretive, cunning and dangerous is how I would sum him up.
Comment by Lex — November 18, 2008 @ 7:52 am
You should know this is the ultimate red-herring from a dying magazine. I’m pre-dispensationalist and I haven’t met one Christian yet that believes Obama the anti-Christ. For one thing, he’s too weak to be the anti-Christ. Now he may indeed help usher in the era as he is an obvious fraud. Who knows. But this is Newsweak trying to make the news, and put a spin on “news” to try and mock Christianity in general. It’s their MO and it is nothing new.
Anybody with a firing synapses and neurotransmitter molecules should be able to see thru this crap.
You’re going to try and convince me, after reading Killgore Trout’s religious bashing these last four years, that the intent is anything but to slam Christianity as a whole?
I swear woman. You’re getting as bad as Trout at missing the obvious. It’s not just the left behind crowd. There are millions who believe this and it is not the Hal Lindsey crowd you imagine it to be. And by the way, my wife Catholic and she’s pre-trib.
I think you have a little bigotry yourself there…
Lex
I don’t see how mocking people who may believe the earth is only 6,000 years is somehow
anti-theocracy.
Charles claims the Discovery Institute wants to install a theocracy here in America, but the evidence is nonexistent like most of his evidence and I think just a cover for his bigotry.
Yes, the new anti-religion bent has gotten me banned and even my IP blocked. Guess they can’t handle any dissent. I thought the belittling of those of faith was getting to be out of hand and I dinged down some of Killgore’s crap. Why have an upding, downding feature if those who speak their mind get banned. Ever hear of anyone that thin-skinned?
Lex wrote,
It insults the Christians who do believe in the Rapture, dispensationalism, etc.
So the next time Killgore Trout does a post mocking beliefs particular to Roman Catholicism, I guess I’ll give that a pass, Lex.
Maybe Killgore will next mock transubstantiation, Marian dogma, Roman Catholic sacraments – and when you post your indignation at this blog, I’ll just say,
“How exactly does this attack “Christians”? This merely mocks a hyper literal understanding of the Lord’s supper, non-biblical beliefs about Mary’s virginity,alleged bodily assumption, alleged role as co-redeemer with Christ, and generally the fans of the Pope.”
rainyday–point taken, but the truth is in what Tex said I believe. It is really a red-herring subject for the most part, brought out to make all Christians look stupid. Tex, I am surprised at you! Wow, a pre-trib yourself? I have been researching this only for a few years and have only found the “Hal Lindsey crowd” as well as the “Tim LaHaye crowd”. Tell me more anytime, Tex. It is a subject that interests me far more than Killgore Trout at the least.
rainyday–the interesting thing is that Killgore hasn’t the least bit of information offered regarding the theology and exegesis of this idea he rebukes, much like the suppositions hurled at Roman Catholics and the other Eastern Rites or the Orthodox Churches. And that’s exactly what LGF comment threads are all about, after all.
I take back what I may have mentioned about this site, this is an interesting non-echo chamber. Just don’t let Sharmuta in….LOL.
There’s no doubt Trout was posting that story to make all Christians look bad.
I am a Christian who strongly disagrees with some teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, but I was put-off at times by Killgore Trout’s frequent Roman Catholic Church-bashing posts.
I asked someone at LGF about it once, and they said Killgore Trout was once a Roman Catholic, or was raised in a Roman Catholic family.
Killgore Trout, at least for a few weeks or months while I was at LGF, went into a fixation upon stories about priests who molested children. That was one of his favorite topics.
Lex said,
David Reagan of Lamb and Lion Ministries (he also has a TV show called “Christ in Prophecy” that airs on the ‘Day Star’ network) and Thomas Ice are Pre-Trib Rapture Dispensationalists.
Thomas Ice site:
Pre Trib Research Center
Thanks. I’m trying to remember the LGFer who ALWAYS bashed Catholics but may have to go through old posts….might be banned by now, seemed a bit pro-VB to still be around.
Thanks for the Pre-Trib info, so much of it is anti-Catholic that it put me off, but I’m interested in the growth of this movement. Tex, be nice, OK?
Ack, I’ll leave it alone. It’s LaHaye. Let’s just agree to disagree on that one and agree that Killgore sucks. And Sharmuta.
The Great Snatch?
by Chuck Missler
http://www.khouse.org/articles/1995/35/
Interesting per-trib info.
#10 LanceKates: I say: I didn’t know that we christians had been pushing for a theocratic government. Why didn’t I get this memo?
Well, lessee, between “pro-life” (though once the child is born, it’s perfectly okay to let him starve, and if he’s a Moose Limb it’s perfecly okay to drop a MOAB on him), pushing for creationism (erm, excuse me, “intelligent design”) to be taught as science, “abstinence-only education” (which must have worked real well for Sarah Palin’s daughter) and the endless obsession with “teh GHEY”, many self-professed Christians have pushed for public policies that amount to theocracy in all but name. They push these ideas, not based on any reasoned argument or evidence, but instead because The Invisible Sky Fairy Said So.
Then when someone dares to criticize these stupid ideas, they turn around and yell “zOMG teh LIBRULS are attacking CHRISTIANITY!!!!1!!111!ELEVEN!!”
Right wingers are fond of claiming that the USA was founded as a Christian nation; and indeed, most Americasn are and have always been at least nominally Christian. To whom, then, was the Establishment Clause meant to apply? Zen Buddhists? Whom, for that matter, was the Establishment Clause meant to protect? The Thirty Years’ War was no more remote in Thomas Jefferson’s time than the American Civil War is in ours. The Salem witch trials had barely passed from living memory. The Framers knew full well what happens when government officials start thumping on their Bibles.
Sura 109,
Well the Left is pushing an anti-Christian pro-Islamic agenda. I’m politically secular, but will ally with the Christian Right against the Leftists-Islamic alliance.
Sura 109 said,
And yet I bet you’re blind to how the secular progressives and liberals try to cram their anti-God views and values on to everyone – and try to limit public expression of religion.
They like to expose small school children to books that are nothing but pro-homosexual propaganda (such as the publication “Heather Has Two Mommies”) – that is one way how they try to cram their views down the throats of Christians.
Sura 109 said,
Creationism and I.D. are not the same thing.
Creationists believe that the God of the Bible created the world (and many of them believe in a literal six day creation period), while your I.D. advocates don’t specifically state who or what created the world – they only dispute the views of Darwinists.
Then you have Christians who adhere to “theistic evolution,” where they have reconciled evolution with the Bible.
But I have to ask: who cares if Christians get to teach ID or Creationism in public schools? It would not hurt anything (or are you just afraid that little Johnny might come to believe in the God of the Bible?).
Before you begin screaming that “creationism (or ID) is not science,” then okay, teach it to kids in history class, world literature class, or some other class. Teach it during gym class.
Well the Left is pushing an anti-Christian pro-Islamic agenda.
*eyeroll* Examples?
They like to expose small school children to books that are nothing but pro-homosexual propaganda (such as the publication “Heather Has Two Mommies”) – that is one way how they try to cram their views down the throats of Christians.
Such “pro-homosexual propaganda” and “anti-God views and values” as “it’s none of your effing business whom I share my bed with.” Little Susie will grow up to be a leather-clad butch dyke if she reads “Heather Has Two Mommies”. What is it with Bible-thumpers and their obsession with teh GHEY?!
Oh, and this may be anti-Christian but it’s hardly pro-Islamic — teh GHEY is punishable by death under Shari’a.
Creationism and I.D. are not the same thing.
Google “wedge document” sometime. ID is a stalking horse for creationism.
Creationists believe that the God of the Bible created the world (and many of them believe in a literal six day creation period),
So the wicked heathens who believe some other god created the world aren’t creationists?
while your I.D. advocates don’t specifically state who or what created the world
Scratch a cdesign proponentsist and you’ll find a Bible-thumper nearly every time. You lot like to call this taqiyya when the Evil Moose Limbs® do it.
they only dispute the views of Darwinists.
Darwin isn’t the be-all and end-all of the modern theory of evolution; he knew nothing of genes or DNA, for starters. Only cdesign proponentsists speak of “Darwinism” at all.
Sura said: Well, lessee, between “pro-life” (though once the child is born, it’s perfectly okay to let him starve, and if he’s a Moose Limb it’s perfecly okay to drop a MOAB on him), pushing for creationism (erm, excuse me, “intelligent design”) to be taught as science, “abstinence-only education” (which must have worked real well for Sarah Palin’s daughter) and the endless obsession with “teh GHEY”, many self-professed Christians have pushed for public policies that amount to theocracy in all but name. They push these ideas, not based on any reasoned argument or evidence, but instead because The Invisible Sky Fairy Said So.
I say: Uh… I didn’t know that Christianity pushed for starving children and bombing civilians. I do see clear examples of both in Muslim nations in Africa and the Middle East. Do you REALLY want to go down that road?
however, I would like to (again) note that there are many Liberal christians. Do not lump all christians together and then rant about how stupid conservatives are, lest we should lump all muslims together and compare them to Osama.
Sura said: The Framers knew full well what happens when government officials start thumping on their Bibles.
I say: Yup. America became a nation. And a free one at that. Read Washington’s Prayer Journal. For that matter, look at most of the works BY the founding fathers. Very religious folks, and they weren’t Zen Bhuddists.
sura said: Well the Left is pushing an anti-Christian pro-Islamic agenda.
*eyeroll* Examples?
I say: Uh, can’t have public prayer in school, yet government funding went to a muslim school in Minnesota? can’t have jesus or a cross or a ‘CHRISTMAS’ tree in the public square, but foot baths for muslim prayer time can be built at public universities? Uh, honor killings take place in the United States, and the left pushes it as a ‘cultural difference’ as though we are wrong for thinking ill of it?
sura says: Such “pro-homosexual propaganda” and “anti-God views and values” as “it’s none of your effing business whom I share my bed with.” Little Susie will grow up to be a leather-clad butch dyke if she reads “Heather Has Two Mommies”. What is it with Bible-thumpers and their obsession with teh GHEY?!
I say: It isn’t about someone being gay. It is about forcing MY (currently nonexistant) kids to be taught something that I don’t believe is right (namely that homosexuality is a valid and perfectly moral lifestyle) AND having to foot the bill for such (de)education.
Here’s my question sura…. What is it with you and your obsession with “Those Chrsitians!”?
sura said: Google “wedge document” sometime. ID is a stalking horse for creationism.
I say: Holy Crap! It’s Charles!
Lance,
Sura I believe is Medaura.
Ahh, ok.
*makes a mental note to pay sura the attention ‘he/she/it’ deserves: none.*
Sura 109
Maybe a good lesson for you to really understand the difference between a “theocracy” and a representative democracy, would be for you to move to say Iran for a few years and see what kinds of policies and freedoms you have, then report back.
Good call, bar.
And Sura, when you do, be sure to rant about how stupid religious folk are and about how gays should be given preferential treatment.
You’ll be a big hit in Iran.
bar,
Or in her case she can move back to that Islamic paradise, Albania!
Sura,
I see you haven’t changed your bigoted spots over the years. An equal opportunity asshole and strife creating type.
You’re as dumb as Killgore Trout and equal his bigot. I don’t follow ID to any degree (though I have read of it and understand it) but you’re wrong about them not arguing the science of evolution – more specifically the giant holes in the ‘theory’, better called speculation. Utter complete horseshit on your behalf which I have come to expect from a lying lightweight like you.
What you don’t like about the Intelligent Design crowd is the implication and where it leads of what they argue. That somebody or something had to intervene above and beyond what simple nature is capable of doing. That should be obvious to any sane person; therefore, I am not surprised you “don’t” get it.
P.S. to the board – for those not in the know, Sura is a lifetime KKKos Kid. Enough said.
Tex,
OK its not Medauara, the Albanian internet Jihadi!
Lexie,
Oh, come on woman. You know that I can’t help but like you and think you pretty bright. I just think you play games from one board to the next, masquerading a the moderate when you’re a died-in-the-wool lib. Are you still on your Sarah Palin bashing gig? You and I have discussed this before.
Premillennialists are nothing new, contrary to what these “scholars” suggest about it coming to being a concept dreamed up the 1800’s. Baloney. The Apostle Paul, who wrote most of the New Testament, certainly believed it. In fact, not only did he write of it, Paul thought he would see it in his own lifetime.
This isn’t some holy roller crowd you speak of. Here is one that believes it: Billy Graham. Does that sound out of the mainstream? There are at least 50MM Evangelical Christians who believe it. Reading thru the New Testament, I believe it.
But I believe it is an issue of discussion and not division amongst the brethren. I have no problem with Christians who are post-millennialists. I just believe post-millennialism is inconsistent with the way God has worked throughout history. He has always removed His people before calamity. I have faith he will do it again.
Re all second- and third-handers who don’t mind a post-Halloween shock, I recommend that they visit the “Powered by Christ Ministries” site and on the first page click on “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers.” If they survive they can also Google “Letter from Mrs. Billy Graham,” “Pretrib Rapture Diehards,” “Pretrib Rapture Desperados,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” X-Raying Margaret,” “Deceiving and Being Deceived,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Appendix F: Thou Shalt Not Steal,” and “Scholars Weigh My Research” – all by pretribism’s main nemesis.
Dean
Hey Dean you cam post the link. Or is the process part of the journey?