Read the ENTIRE article.
This is some serious reading, I mean it…
Tags: Ali Sina, Barack Obama, Faith Freedom, Fascism, Fuehrer, Germany, Islamists, leftist, Marxism, nazi
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We're not easily offended and don't want people to think they have to walk on eggshells around here (like at another place that shall remain nameless) but of course, there is a limit to everything.
Play nice!
That article is false… The information about Hitler (he was active in WW1) is wrong, the information about Obama is wrong. Even the information about the church Obama attended is wrong. Don’t believe me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/index.htm
You couldn’t have read it that fast. And the author is a Muslim so I think she knows what the fuck she is talking about!
So Muslims don’t get things wrong SN?
Are they superhuman?
After reading the piece I tend to agree with Terra, not that a couple of innaccuracies make the piece redundant, it’s just that if you can’t get basic facts right about documented history (that most school leavers would know) then expect to have a high degree of criticism levelled at your work.
I just posted the thing, I didn’t write it
I didn’t say you did.
My complaint was with Ali Sina’s piece. It’s riddled with errors and misinformed specualtion and schoolboy errors.
What I took issue with you was your insinuation that because Ali Sina is Muslim (which he isn’t by the way, he would be quite offended as someone who left the faith to be described as such) that he somehow knows what he’s talking about. Muslims can write rubbish as well as Christians and Jews.
Sorry, I jumped the gun. Thats for being up 22 hrs straight, serves me right. yikes
Been there, done that…….too much coffee
The Making of a Fuehrer…
Ali Sina, founder of Faithfreedom International and one of my favorite authors, comments on the cult of Obama:
When cheering for someone turns into adulation, something is wrong. Excessive adulation is indicative of a personality cult. The cult of p…
Terra,
Ali’s article mentions nothing about WWI, so what are you talking about?. Please cite specific examples of these errors.
Obama is a Totalitarian, that we can agree on!
I’d like specifics on the lies and inaccuracies. I haven’t finished the piece (in between work), but so far he’s dead on.
Could you be a little more specific? Help me out here.
And Terra, your little youtube video doesn’t mean shit. Are you trying to claim that Jeremiah Wright didn’t say God D America? He didn’t say that our government probably created AIDS to get rid of black people? He didn’t call our country the US of KKK? What exactly did FOX lie about with their “chickens came home to roost” clip? He said it. His newsletter praised enemies of our nation. He praised Farrakhan and gave him the gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award (said he epitimized greatness *puke* link), he praised Hamas in the church newsletter (link), and met with Qaddafi (google it).
What the fuck is your point?
And per your link, Terra
Do you have knowledge of him outright murdering people before he had power? Military experience notwithstanding?
“Do you have knowledge of him outright murdering people before he had power? Military experience notwithstanding?”
He was in control of the fledgling Nazi Party and was waving a gun around at the Beer Hall Putsch. Three policemen were killed by the Nazis. Hitler began his career in politics as a street brawling revolutionary appealing to disgruntled World War One veterans predisposed to violence.
Not much similarity to Obama’s campaign, unless of course you can point out where Obama ordered his followers to unite in violent revolution and get into gun fights with the police.
“He was in control of the fledgling Nazi Party”
Sounds like he was coming into power to me. I believe Ali said “prior to coming to power”.
I don’t think Obama is Hitler, but the Ali article was about being duped by words, and how Hitler had the people believing he was God.
Ali Sina didn’t claim Obama had killed anyone either.
Still not getting your point.
Hitler DID have people believing he was the messiah, the savior, the One. Kinda like the O. Ya know?
What are the other “couple of inaccuracies”?
Sorry I won’t go through and list inaccurate information, it is a speculation piece which I don’t care for anyway. It was made to scare people into believing things that are outrageous. No one on this earth deserves to be compared in any way to Hitler, period. I could do the same thing with the life of the other person that was running for president, you know they were both involved in a war, and bla bla bla. It doesn’t mean anything, and is made to scare people period.
This is the kind of stuff that gets people killed, and the person who wrote it up should be ashamed… No one is perfect, Obama will make mistakes, has made mistakes.
Rev. Wright is an intelligent man who has had a hard life. The point of the video link was to show that you can’t take what a man says in such a short clip and expect to understand what he is saying. I don’t agree with a lot of things that were said, but that doesn’t in itself make him a horrible person. I have said “God d*&@ America” myself, when no one stood up against the USA PATRIOT ACT, I was angry.
Anyway, i am going to make myself shut up. I shouldn’t have said anything to begin with. I was so disappointed with the link I did it before stepping back and thinking about it.
Terra,
Rev. Wright lives in a multi-million dollar mansion, so I really have a difficult time swallowing any stories about his “hard life.” Wright is just another race-baiting poverty pimp, like Jesse Jackson, who makes is millions by keeping his fellow blacks down on the Democratic Party’s plantation.
No one asked you to give an exhaustive list of the inaccurate information. If it’s just full of errors, as you claim, then it should be a snap to just give us one single example. What is so difficult about that?
If you make yourself shut up, then I can only conclude that you’re blowing smoke and you can’t handle the fact that we’re calling your bluff.
Fine, here you go some inaccurate information… I will start near the bottom…
“He asked the Governor, “what do you think of Bush’s doctrine,” and then, instead of explaining himself, he insisted that his interviewee define what he meant. After letting the Governor look puzzled, Gibson explained what he understands of “Bush Doctrine,” which according to him is preemptive strike.
Assuming this is a “Bush doctrine,” is it his only doctrine? Isn’t being pro life also a Bush doctrine? Isn’t Christianity or creationism a Bush doctrine? Bush believes in a multitude of things and they change as his thinking evolves over time. How can one know what Gibson has in mind? Do you see the trickery?. ”
No I don’t see trickery, anyone involved in politics, should know exactly what this means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine
“Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. They believe that they’re superior to others and have little regard for other people’s feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
Narcissistic personality disorder is one of several types of personality disorders. Personality disorders are conditions in which people have traits that cause them to feel and behave in socially distressing ways, limiting their ability to function in relationships and in other areas of their life, such as work or school. In particular, narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, in the same category as histrionic, antisocial and borderline personality disorders. Narcissistic personality disorder treatment is centered around psychotherapy.” http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652
After four years in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago, where he was hired as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago’s far South Side, and worked there for three years from June 1985 to May 1988.[19][21] During his three years as the DCP’s director, its staff grew from one to thirteen and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants’ rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.[22] Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.[23] In mid-1988, he traveled for the first time to Europe for three weeks and then for five weeks in Kenya, where he met many of his Kenyan relatives for the first time.[24]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
As for Wright I do not agree with him, as stated before. However, I do not belittle his experiences.
Come to your own conclusions, but realize that if you take this at face value you aren’t doing your homework.
The Beer Hall Putsch was prior to coming to power. So were the riots, the deaths, the violence and the organised revolutionary actions of his party. Hitler changed tactics after being imprisoned and then went on to gain power democratically….
……..so Hitler had been a violent revolutionary who took up arms to overthrow the government, he controlled a minority party which killed police and opposing political figures, he organised riots etc etc all before coming to power.
Again, as I said there isn’t much similarity to Obama’s campaign, unless of course you can point out where Obama ordered his followers to unite in violent revolution and get into gun fights with the police.
Ali Sina’s piece is fundamentally flawed. Full stop.
yo Obama bot. Hiter got elected just like Obama. I think Obama will be worse then Hitler. I hope I am wrong. Obama is already calling for black shirts. Well I wrote all of my views of Obama here http://avideditor.wordpress.com/2008/11/02/obama-will-kill-all-the-jews-he-will-be-worse-then-hitler-or-stalin/
I am not the best writer but that is what I think
You’re an idiot.
The point of the argument, and I believe Savage Nation and ‘mater understand is the question of the accuracy of Ali Sina’s claim along the lines of ‘prior to coming to power’ Hitler hadn’t killed anyone. This is obviously false to anyone with access to a history book or the internet.
PS I’m not an Obama bot, I just disagree with this piece and your reply which compared to the other commentators here seems to be lacking a certain amount of intellect or class. Oh and missing a sense of proportion and grip on reality.
PPS Hitler may have been elected (with only 18% of the vote by the way) like Obama….but anyone dumb enough to draw the conclusion that they’re the same becaue of this fact must then conceed that every politician ever voted into office anywhere is Hitler incarnate as well……….a ridiculous argument that only the most idiotic would use. Please don’t demean yourself with that kind of logic.
I called you an Obama-Bot, which you are. Sorry you need the hifen not the space. I hope Obama is not like Hitler. But if you look at what Obama says and his friends he is dangerous. I responded to your first statement about Hitler also being elected. I think Obama stole the election with voter fraud. Mickey Mouse even voted for him. I do not think more then Half of Americans where stupid enough to vote for a Jihadi.
here is Obama bot in the urban dictionary http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obamabot
Obama Jihadi?
Oh Jeez, I really pity the inteligent admins and commentors on this site, having to share it with someone so devoid of reality.
PS with or without the hyphen you’re childish response in calling me an Obama-bot is pointless, I did not vote for Obama.
Do you have knowledge of him outright murdering people before he had power? Military experience notwithstanding?
I’m not getting into the Obama fight but just on a point of history, there was the night of the long knives.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/roehm.htm
The question was about “before he came to power”. That doesn’t mean before he was elected.
I hate to quote wiki, but
He wasn’t just a “man on the street”.
I don’t think he was a man on the streets at that time.
OK. I accept that.
I do think Obama has used the media in the same way that Hitler did. I posted a link to The Triumph of the Will’ somewhere at the time of the Democrat conference.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BddVfcQX-v4
Hitler himself once attributed his rise to power on the invention of the radio.
It doesn’t mean Obama will be a despot though. He’s much more likely to start a war by something he doesn’t do.
Bweep: It doesn’t mean Obama will be a despot though. He’s much more likely to start a war by something he doesn’t do.
Agreed.
I didn’t take from the article that Sina claims he will be a despot. Just a narcissist that leads a personality cult and has his followers believing that he is “The One”, which could be dangerous.
I agree with that too.
I have always thought this guy insightful.
It would be the height of irony, if after the deification of Al-Obama by the European press, resident slackers and their equally feckless governments, all of the sudden they looked up and America was no where to be found. Consider it poetic justice for seven years of Bush bashing.
Yes, the Lord does work in mysterious ways.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/why_europe_is_secretly_afraid.html
Terra,
Thank you! Now that wasn’t so hard. I just wanted some specifics on your point, so I thank you for your opinion. Ali’s piece is his opinion, and frankly, the cult of personality drummed up over Obama is not a healthy thing.
“The question was about “before he came to power”. That doesn’t mean before he was elected.”
Yes it does. During the Beer Hall Putsch he was ‘one’ of the main men in the movement. He wasn’t in complete control until he eliminated the SA much later on.
Before Hitler came to power he was directly responsible for the deaths of policemen and political opponents.
Obama hasn’t. That’s a major problem right at the start of Ali Sina’s piece.
I’m no fan of Obama but this kind of rubbish is exactly the kind of crap we saw when the left constantly went on about Bush=Hitler.
Fight the man on his policies, ideals and actions. If you need to summon the spectre of fascism you’ve lost the argument.
See Charles Johnson for a perfect example of desperation creating a fascist boogeyman.
I essentially agree with “A Rant…” It isn’t that everyone has to agree with me on Obama, heck I don’t agree with everything he stands for. I don’t think of myself as an “Obama bot” I am realistic to know whichever one was president, not all of us are going to be happy, and more important no matter which one made it neither are going to make most people happy all the time.
Now after being pressured about Wright and him doing his speech about race, I did cry. I found that to be profound, but I am a white woman that has spent most of her life around people that are racist. It wouldn’t matter who was giving that speech it would have spoke to me.
As for Obama as a person, his public personality is appealing to me, but so was John McCain’s. I have respect for both, I can’t speak for behind the scenes because I can’t know.
The major problem with this piece in my mind is that it suggesting correlation between Hitler and the president elect, and it wouldn’t matter which person would have won I would object. (I.E. if it was to suggest the same things and substitute McCain in there I would still hate it.) Every leader can be compared in this way. They all rise to power, all our presidents have mass appeal, and so on.
Now if you want to talk about Obama’s civilian force idea, and knock that go for it. You want to knock his pro-choice views, go for it. If you want to knock him for his ideas on mass insurance (which is why I voted for him) go for it. Those are totally open for debate, I have my reasons, as I am sure everyone else had their reasons for their pick, but essentially drawing parallels with someone who caused such horrid things to happen… well it is shameful, there is no comparing them. It will never work in my mind, and it shouldn’t work in anyone’s.
Love him, hate him, be indifferent, but don’t compare him to that monster…
“Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. They believe that they’re superior to others and have little regard for other people’s feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
Wow, is Lord Charles picture next to that definition?