A Charles Johnson fan wrote a piece attacking Robert Spencer: Using LGF flawed logic
I think she goes but Mudra some number at LGF. She is convinced that I am the same person as Rodan. I think it was my support of the Serbs fighting the Jihadis. Well she wrote a poorly written long piece with no real evidence that defames Robert Spencer. Well I support Robert Spencer and stand up against people calling everything they see fascism. I do not know enough about VB to support them. But I know enough about Spencer to support him. He is a great man IMHO. BTW I am not Rodan I live on the opposite side of the country.
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We're not easily offended and don't want people to think they have to walk on eggshells around here (like at another place that shall remain nameless) but of course, there is a limit to everything.
Play nice!
Meduara is a supporter of Al-Qaeda.
Tommorow I will do a tribute to Arkan!
Medaura’s esssay is so long, I couldn’t read all of it word- for- word.
I did catch this, where she is criticizing Spencer:
“It is oh so easy to vacuously oppose fascism when you don’t believe fascists are fascists, because the opposition can thus remain purely theoretical!”
And maybe it is only theoretical. She’s begging the question.
When I did bother to read Johnson’s boring posts about BNP, VB, and the other groups, I did not see any smoking gun that conclusively proved that those groups are fascists, racists, or Neo Nazi.
I did, however, see a lot of laughable attempts at trying to tie people to Neo Nazism, such as cartoon drawings of mice or rats, celtic crosses on book shelves in someone’s office, mis-translated ‘You Tube’ videos of what was said to be Nazi book fairs but which turned out to be no such thing.
She also says,
Charles Johnson, whatever one may think of his political leanings, has undeniably and unequivocally exposed thinly-disguised crypto fascists and repudiated them wholeheartedly again and again.
He’s done no such thing. He’s not proven his case, so he’s not exposed anyone as anything.
And, Johnson continues to act like one of those facists she despises so much, in that he continues to ban people from his blog merely for expressing divergent views.
(I was banned just for pasting in links to a few sites the repudiate Darwinism.)
That she’s trying to paint Johnson as some kind of hero is idiotic. Johnson cannot and will not even allow dissenting voices to be heard on his blog.
This part is just plain funny:
Johnson’s endorsement had been Robert Spencer’s last main reputational anchor into the sane respectable intellectual world. Now that he deservingly lost it, let him agitate away at the fringes where he belongs.
Johnson is just some bike- riding, guitar playing liberal hippie guy who likes to tinker around with computer programming.
Spencer is the intellectual (I’d assume the man must have some college degrees, too?), who has several published books to his name.
She wrote,
The spread of Radical Islam poses an eminent threat to the civilized world
That’s one of the few things she wrote that I could agree with.
She wrote,
Highlighting the need for formulating a strategic response package to this menace is not rocket science. Yet it should take no towering genius either to categorically reject and denounce certain ideological proposals for being at least as abominable and dangerous to civilization as the militant islamism they purport to protect it from. The resurgence of neo-fascist activism across the Old Continent is alarming.
Honey, that’s not Mr. Spencer’s place or his job.
Spencer’s speciality is Islam itself. It seems to me that his job, interest, and focus is in answering Muslim apologists and not in dabbling in the finer points of European political parties.
As one commentator wrote on Spencer’s blog, the Spencer blog is called “Jihad Watch,” and not “Vlaams Belang Watch,” or “BNP Watch,” or “Nazi and Fascist Watch.”
Let Spencer blog about Islam, and if Nazism and Fascism in European political parties is your concern then you blog about it.
Interesting note: Every cult has an idolized leader who, without the need to produce proof, can merely suggest something and it is instantly taken as truth and defended by the cult members.
In fact, it gets to the point where the cult leader can say that the sky is periwinkle and the cult members will agree and even attack those who suggest it is blue.
Now, not to let any think this is a random point, Mudra continues Charles’ suggestion that Spencer is a nazi… based on what? Well, after all… Charles SAID SO!
*smirks*
On another note, something interesting. I was told a few times on LGF that the conservatives should shut up and let the REpublican Party build a bigger tent that included moderates and liberals, some even suggested that if we would get rid of the Christians, or at least ignore them, the Republican Party could then get the vote of atheists who would oppose jihad, but they just hate those christians…..
The reason given was that if we focus on purity of Party, we lose. So now, their focus is to get rid of the “Social Conservatives” (With Palin leading the list, thus the rants about how ‘evil’ she is and how bad of a temper she has and how stupid she is)….. for the sake of Party Unity.
hmm…..
of course, when you take a political party and remove the Conservatives, you’re left with liberals. How many Liberal parties do we need? 0. how many do we have? At least 2.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen…. third paties are getting more and more attractive to me. At the moment I’m doing a bit of research into the Constitution Party. They constantly attack the Republicans for being liberal, but I don’t see any mention of the Democrats, so I want to make sure they’re not a front group for the Dems.
That piece was typical LGF logic–or rather, the lack thereof.
WND published an op-ed piece by Ellis Washington that reminded of the lizard king: RINO careerists – Nothing more than traitors. What say you?
Lance,
My recommendation for the Conservative party (which should be the Republicans) is not to leave it, but redefine it – more specifically recapture what it stood for 30 years ago and what is should stand for now. You and I both know for instance, contrary to all the garbage you read on the internet from the “experts” in the media and on the coast, in the Republican party Christians up make the silent majority. As they go, so goes the party. Whether Charlie Johnson and the rest of secular crowd choose to believe that is irrelevant. We live in the South and Southwest and we know that for a fact. This is where Obama got beat by 15-20 points; where you and live by 30 points.
So my suggestion is rather than leave the party, start taking a firm stand and tell the secular members this is the way it is going to be and this is what we stand for. This is our preference for a candidate. Either get on board or get out and vote for Obama or find your own candidate to run 3rd party. But we are not allowing the moderates to call the shots anymore because as Dole and McCain proved, you are a losing ticket.
And we need to admit, though we liked many of the Bush ideas and still think him a patriot, we’ve been complicit in the big spending and the melee mouth game playing. We don’t need to abandon the issues like abortion, but we need to learn how to win on the issues. And the way you win is by example and being smart in understanding how to win the issues. You want Roe v. Wade revoked? You do it thru the legislation and you take incremental steps in doing so. Bush understood this and gave us two good SCOTUS. All we needed was one more to have it returned to the states. We’ve committed errors too and should admit as such.
It may take a series of elections before we begin to see appreciable results. But before we convince the idiot Obama fans the error of their ways (he’ll do that himself soon enough), we better start winning the battle of ideas within the party and tell the moderates to pack sand. Obama is a vacuous fad and the thrill of Obama and Rahm will pass as soon as even the airheads begin to recognize they’ve been lied to and Obama a political hack; probably about 2-3 years.
We minimize ourselves by remaining silent or picking up our ball and going home. We demand immediate results when we would do better to be content with progress in each election. We better learn to remain firm but be pragmatic, or move to the dustbin of politic. And that would be tragic for our country because we are the best hope for success.
Nice one Tex, you’re following Hannity I see. Fancy running into you here, eh?
Meduara is a Jihadi
Hi Lex…
Is this what Sean feels is right way to go? You obviously follow Sean much more than I do. Though I respect Hannity and would probably call him a friend if I knew him, I always found him pretty boring.
Do you find it the least bit ironic that you apparently know more about Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity than I do? You being the closet libbie and all?
Not at all Tex, sometimes I don’t have time for a song on short drives. I listen to everything, not really ironic. Of course for actual humor we listen to Savage. But yes, Hannity is actually a very nice person, he kind of watched my kids once for a few. How ironic is THAT?
Lex,
I listen to everything, not really ironic.
Well yes, but so do I. And I make long drives. Now why would a knuckle-dragging, neaderthal, homophobe, religious zealot like me no less about Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity?
Let me guess. You trying to gain any bit of gossip about your new obsession Sarah Palin?
Oh sister, first I’d kick you then give you a hug. One of the only few libs I know with a shred of humor.
Gad…know no..
I listen to Mark Levin everyday. He is better then Sean or Rush IMHO and he gives his stuff away commerical free as a podcast or from his website http://marklevinshow.com/ .
I rarely listen to Sean Hannity. He’s okay, but he can be a little dull at times.
His “Hannity and Colmes” show would be much better without Colmes.
I don’t slavishly follow Rush Limbaugh. Every once in awhile I catch his radio show, or sometimes I visit his web site and skim over the headlines. If one looks really interesting, I’ll click it and read the transcript.
I’ll have to check out the Mark Levin site. The audio on my computer hasn’t been working for awhile, so I can’t listen to stuff, though.
Robert Spencer wrote an update on his site:
Excerpt: UPDATE November 12:
I have been informed that Charles Johnson has completely revised his presentation of this book fair, removing without explanation (in the main post, anyway) the false translation he earlier posted.
Now, apparently, the big problem is the book Dewinter picks up, Vu de droite by Alain de Benoist.
I’m not sure how Johnson and his Little Green Moonbats can rationalize the idea that picking up a book means that one endorses it, but of course rationality has nothing to do with this.
Sorry, the link I gave above jumps to the comment section of the page; try this link, which will bring you to the top of the page. Then scroll down to the part that says “Update November 12.” – and it will take a lot of scrolling to get to that part.
Awww Tex, consistency thou art a jewel.
Rainy day I read that. Charles is really deranged.
“The spread of Radical Islam poses an eminent threat to the civilized world”
And an imminent threat, too.
And, come to think of it, an immanent threat, more and more.
Damn, I look thru these threads, reread my own, and think WTF???
Neanderthal…I can just hear the pseudo-scientists berating me for that one over at LGF.
Any chance of Wordpress ever giving us a preview button?
Same to you Byron !
LOL Buddy G